Molyneux: Microsoft "won" this generation, no longer competing with Sony and Nintendo

"Former MS exec and Lionhead boss names Apple, Google and Samsung as real rivals next gen, rather than Sony and Nintendo." [OXM]

[iGAM3R-VIII]

Based on this article if Peter is right then the console will be merely about gaming. I want the Xbox to at least have some social feature but it should solely be about gaming, that is why they call it a 'gaming console'. I also hope the Kinect will not be a required product to play games. TBH when I play Forza 4 on my 360, I turn the Kinect around so it can't see me (lol not to be extra but I just feel being watched :P). I have the feeling though that since it will be competing with Apple, Google and Samsung, if he is right the console will be more like a TV or mostly about entertainment. I hope it isn't though. He says MS are competing with Apple, Google and Samsung rather than Nintendo and Sony which means that it could be more on the entertainment side which means that how could they win. Though i doubt MS would do that but this is a gaming console market not a entertainment market.

Today is the day it all happens and I cannot wait to see what Ms has in store. Whether I buy the PS4 or XBox I'll see by E3.

[dirigiblebill]

Hey up chap. Does the new title work for you?

[nix]

MS won America!

that's about it.

this gen.. both (MS and Sony) are starting around the same time so... MS better have something amazing lined up because as we saw last time releasing one year ahead and bashing competitors, biased media can only get you that far.

and i'm sure everyone is tired of MS' promises by now including hardcore MS fans... i mean if they aren't then wow...

[sengoku]

really??
this guy is smoking some good stuff.

dont know where to start correcting him as there is just too much wrong about his views.

[Braid]

Oh boy, this article will hit the hottest section so hard that it'll break the website.

[aCasualGamer]

Can't take that man seriously anymore. He's hyped up his games so much and they've failed so miserably that i don't want to comment really, but i have to.

1. Sonys latest figures state that they've outsold 360

2. This gen, Sony has released exclusive after exclusive

3. Even though both Sony and Microsoft tried to go for the casual market, Sony stayed true to their philosophy of hardcore gaming machine whilst Microsoft forgot the hardcore

4. Microsoft had a year head start over Sony, but they managed to bring out fewer exclusives

I'm not trying to bring heat to the table, because i'm really looking forward to Microsofts event, it is after all nextgen gaming, but my points prove that Microsoft didn't win this gen. Atleast not from a true hardcore gamer perspective. They went overboard with Kinect, and that costed them. Hope they learn and start bringing the hardcore gamer some freaking awesome exclusives. No one is going to buy a 400$ console for channel integration, there's just too many options out there that already provide that for much less.

Here's hoping for a great day, for all gamers, let me emphasize on that... for all GAMERS.

[Knushwood Butt]

Is he trying to get his old job back now that he's figured out that spurting BS without a big name backing you up doesn't actually pay the bills?

[imt558]

@SuperLupe

Nope. PS3 is not dead yet. Even in PS4 era, Sony will continue to support the PS3. When PS3 came out and until now, PS2 sold in ~ 50 mil. units in PS3 era. PS3 is not loser. PS3 had poor start, but is in front of X360 if you watch global sale.

[DragonKnight]

Guys, it's Molyneux, he says a lot of stuff. Most of it is B.S. Remember? Yeah, nothing to see here.

Plus, what else would you expect from someone who's never worked for Sony or Nintendo before?

[papashango]

nuclear launch detected.

sh*tstorm incoming

[LoveOfTheGame]

I think he's right about how they are taking on more than just Sony and Nintendo and in a sense that might be winning, maybe. As for who had the best console will always be a debate between the fanboys of this site.

Long live true gamers.

[thechosenone]

Does MS even have a line of smartphones or tablets that can compete with these industry leaders? That would be a no.

Geee really Mr.Molyneux tell me another one.

"About 76 million Xbox 360s had been shipped by the end of March, according to research firm IDC. By contrast Nintendo's Wii had shipped 99.4 million units and the PS3 78 million."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/t...

[chrismichaels04]

@superlupe - nice try but you obviously have no idea what you're talking about, but hey, whatever helps you sleep at night. The obvious loser this generation was Xbox 360 which at one point had a 10 million console lead over PS3 only to watch that lead go down the drain. Dont worry about last generation, Sony already won last gen too. We're talking about this current gen. Sony went from dominating 2 straight generations, to having a weak start this generation, to having an impressive comeback performance and becoming the 2nd fastest selling console of the entire gen dropping Xbox to 3rd place. Even after a 1 year sales lead and millions of RROD multi sales, Xbox still choked away it's lead this generation.

Kudos to 360 for outperforming the failed original Xbox, but it still wasnt enough to beat the PS3. And besides, the original Xboxs 25 million sales wasnt exactly an impressive or unbeatable milestone to begin with. Almost every other successful console going back 30 years, including portables, has outsold the original Xbox. So that excuse is irrelevant.

[AngelicIceDiamond]

Well the guy was a former MS employee in all. And he'll be present at the reveal and everything... Plus he did leave on good terms with MS so...

[MysticStrummer]

MS obviously did very well, greatly increasing their market share, but I can't see how starting off in first and ending in third translates as an overall win. I'm a PS3 guy, but Nintendo won the generation by outselling their competition with a product that was very cheap to manufacture. Profit trumps market share every time.

EDIT - Actually what I should have said at the end there is that Nintendo increased their market share while also making a profit the entire time. That's a win in the business world.

[blackbeld]

Moly whatever.

Xbox brand is still not profitable and still in red.

http://www.neowin.net/news/...

http://hothardware.com/News...

[theBAWSE]

How if Sony have sold more ps3 consoles? He is such an overrated developer... What is the last good game he made? Anyone?

[stubbed_out]

@SuperLupe

Sorry to slap your 'hope' in the face, the guy that was in charge of the 'PS3 business plan' is now CEO of Sony.

Tonight and E3 (not to mention the previous PS4 semi-reveal) are going to be our window into the next 10yrs of gaming ooh can anyone feel the excitement!

[maddfoxx]

Didn't PS3 out due the 360 in total global sells early this year?

[ShinMaster]

Then sure, Peter. Microsoft won, just like the Fable games delivered on every promise...

/s

[fr0sty]

is peter talking out of his ass again?

[fermcr]

"Molyneux: Microsoft "won" this generation, no longer competing with Sony and Nintendo"

In America, Microsoft won this generation (probably will pass the Wii sooner or later if it hasn't already)... World sales it's a different story.

I also think Microsoft doesn't really care for other markets beside the 3 biggest (USA, UK, Japan), since they hardly invest in others. They won in USA and UK markets but failed miserably in the Japanese market.

[Rynocirator]

Actually there are only more xboxs in the us and uk because each person on average has had 4 or 5, there are more ps3s active in the world at this moment than xbox.

[InTheLab]

"Molyneux: Microsoft "won" this generation, no longer competing with Sony and Nintendo"

Sure Peter. And Fable the Journey is not on railz...lol

As to your point on MS not caring about other markets...that's bunk. Ms wants money and it does not matter where it comes from. Money is money and MS wants it.

SWOT analysis says MS needs those other markets to compete with other companies that do well in all markets...

[chrismichaels04]

@fermcr - It's no doubt MS did well in winning the US market, but UK is not a market. UK is just a small part of the overall larger European market which Sony is beating Xbox in. Sony is also beating Xbox in the Japanese market meaning PS3 outsold Xbox in 2 out of 3 of biggest global markets.

[thechosenone]

They won this gen in American? Kind BS logic is that?

MS didn't win jack they lost. It's the whole world or nothing.

[Blacktric]

"if he is right"

He's never right. He's just an overrated, untalented idiot who keeps running his mouth on matters he has no idea about. And then he ends up apologizing most of the time after making an ass out of himself.

[PeaSFor]

having a full year of sales against the competition and not being able to surpass it in worldwide sale is "Winning"?

really?

oh......that's our Molyneux in a nutshell

[Kingthrash360]

ill say it again....any sales numbers acquired from people who had to buy a new xbox360 after getting thr red rings of death should be stricken from the record....which was probably everyone who bought one on launch day ....smh.

why would this molyneux guy say 360 won when globally it lost.

[PeaSFor]

because unlike the last Fable, Molyneux IS off the rails...

[The_Blue]

Nooooooo. Life works in the opposite of this man assertions.

[Maddens Raiders]

I don't want to see a Peter Molyneaux quote without a Nolan Bushnell reference in the article. This is faux outrage.

/s

[k2d]

Peter Molyneux - Corporate Troll

[Haki1112]

Peter Molyneux - Biggest Hype man on this planet Someone tell him to give us Black and White 3!

[fr0sty]

Even VGChartz is admitting the PS3 has caught up to the 360 and will soon pass it.

[I_LOVE_MYSELF]

The Wii says "hi".

[extermin8or]

it almost certainly wont be all about the gaming- and I'd wit till after E3 to decide between them if you're going on features/emphasis on gaming... Personally I'm getting the PS4 1st because I prefer sony's exclusives- in the future who knows, all depends on how they market the device...

[Veneno]

What annoys me most about Peter Molyneux is not the typical MS garbage he spews but the douchey photos he always takes.

[Psn800]

After this catastrophe today by Xbox I think Sony can be certain that the Playstation brand is a winner .

[kenshiro100]

This guy is a joke.

[Prcko]

microsoft lost this gen

[Walker]

In your dream .

[iGAM3R-VIII]

He says MS are competing with Apple, Google and Samsung rather than Nintendo and Sony which means that it could be more on the entertainment side which means that how could they win. Though i doubt MS would do that but this is a gaming console market not a entertainment market

[Count]

The gaming console market is becoming more and more of an entertainment market in other sense.

There's a lot more crap integration than there used to be. A lot more motion controls. And this is just the beginning stages.

Gaming is changing.

[Ezio2048]

hahaha...
Right mate. In his dreams... :P

[ThatCanadianGuy514]

""Its competition is no longer Sony and Nintendo, but rather Apple, Google and Samsung.""

"Molyneux would like the next Xbox to put the focus back on videogames."

Uh oh.He knows something we all feared.And it looks to be true, i suppose.Cable box app machine is Priority #1 for MS.
As far as "winning" i don't see how that is even possible.

*3rd in total sales
*Least offering of worthwhile games
*Already dropped support of 360 in favor of nextbox
(only a handful of first party games for the last few years, only one this year and NOTHING announced for future release)

Sony and Nintendo have multiple consoles to support, and handhelds, and they still offer more games and support than the company who only had to supply one machine.MS lost badly so far this gen.And make no mistake, this gen doesn't magically end anytime soon.There is no finish line, and i demand support for 360 for years to come.

[Skips]

"Uh oh. He knows something we all feared.And it looks to be true, i suppose.Cable box app machine is Priority #1 for MS."

Pretty much...I think we all saw this coming. (Except for the ones closing their eyes, covering their ears, and stomping their feet of course) lol. Though we'll just have to wait and see for the reveal for official confirmation on what their next gen plan will be.

But with all the evidence stacking up, only a fool wouldn't see this coming.

First it was Microsoft OUT RIGHT SAYING Xbox is a "Family friendly entertainment center", and "NOT a GAMES CONSOLE".

http://www.slashgear.com/xb...
http://megagames.com/news/m...

Then we started seeing rumors ALL OVER the place about them being more "media centered"...

http://n4g.com/news/1232337...
http://www.theverge.com/201...
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

Then you have ACTUAL DEVELOPERS SAYING SO...

http://www.ign.com/articles...
http://www.oxm.co.uk/54324/...

Whether you wanna be in denial or not. It's pretty clear-cut people.

[die_fiend]

Calm it there fanboy

[iGAM3R-VIII]

@die_fiend it isn't fanboyism when he speaks the truth and is backed up by actual gaming known people. Such as devs and analysts

[Skips]

@die_friend

What can I say???

https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW50...

No, seriously though. Nowhere in my comment did I saying anything "BAD" about Microsoft other than stating some facts and sources. lol

[jessupj]

Well said.

Unfortunately I can see MS buying a lot of 3rd party games at the start of next gen and announcing said games at E3.

I say unfortunately, because if history tells us anything it's that MS rely on the core gamer in the beginning to build up the user base. Once it's at a certain level they will gradually drop virtually all core support and focus on the casual customers.

That's exactly what they did this gen and I find it very aggravating that people are ignoring it or defending it and making excuses.

Why not buy a console where games are guaranteed right through out the generation?

[papashango]

pitchforks at the ready

[LogicStomper]

Good job on quoting, you'll make a fine report/essay writer.
/s

Here's your quote:

"First it was Microsoft OUT RIGHT SAYING Xbox is a "Family friendly entertainment center", and "NOT a GAMES CONSOLE". "

Here's the article's quote:

" In a recent interview, Ballmer opined that the Xbox 360 isn’t, in fact, a gaming console at all. No, it’s something much more."

Now I don't know about you, but I'm not blind. Do you see the difference between the two quotes? Yeah, you should learn to use quotes. Here's a lesson for you, when you're quoting, you MUST keep the spirit of the message.

Get schooled.

Second point:

"Then we started seeing rumors ALL OVER the place about them being more "media centered"... "

You need help with emphasis? Here's where the emphasis SHOULD be:

Then we started seeing RUMOURS all over the place about them being more "media centered"...

and by the way, I'm pretty sure everyone should know that the gaming division does not work on the media stuff. They're hired in the gaming division for a reason.

[Aceman18]

Peter has a weird definition of winning this generation. that honor belongs to the Wii in total sales as they finished even with Sony imo.

when it comes to providing exclusive content to your fanbase they are in 3rd.

also when i buy a gaming system i buy it for the games, not to be a cable box.

Microsoft if you want my $$$$$ for the new gen you better put your focus back on gaming and offer me some damn variety.

[Sitdown]

Could winning be defined not necessarily by having had the most console sales, but by a job in market share from the original Xbox. Think about it, Microsoft was late to the party with the original Xbox, and despite the Goliath which is Sony and Nintendo, were able to come on this generation and acquire a pretty decent following..... And doing this despite lack of games you all like to point out. Just asking... cause did anybody really expect Microsoft to be much of a key player.... Sale wise we did not expect them to beat Sony... but given that this is even a discussion speaks volumes.

[joeorc]

I see what you are saying, and you are right Microsoft did grow its install base, but the fact that Microsoft unlike Sony and Nintendo has never had more than one console platform on the market at a single time and this will be a first for Microsoft. How will Microsoft's 1st party go, will they concentrate just mainly on the new xbox or will they split their 1st party with a 3rd or 50/50 or what kind of split?
they really do care for their platforms and not look at this like Microsoft has done in the past
Will Microsoft let the majority of xbox360 support be a port machine with lil to no 1st party effort's to go to the xbox360? we know Sony's and Nintendo's answer to this very Question.

That I think is what Microsoft really has to show the install base that the effort's by 1st party will also support the xbox360 legacy platform, sadly with past history I think Microsoft's people in charge may very well no put much if any resources to do that, yes its great you can still gather 3rd party interest into your legacy machine, but are they are going to up and leave the xbox360 devoid of any real 1st party effort when many already see the xbox360's 1st party effort lacking for the system?

Something tells me we already know the answer to this. Microsoft has never had more than one platform for the dedicated game console market at one time because their 1st party effort's has always only had to concentrate only on one platform, now with Microsoft having two what will be the support? I hope that Microsoft will put forth more xbox360 support while they support the new machine but if the install base really only looks for the next system from microsoft and decides the xbox360 is obsolete and would rather play on the next xbox, what will happen to the xbox360?

that is also a very big Question will the current Microsoft xbox platform install base migrate to really only the newest and best xbox and not really care about the xbox360 any more?

Some thing tells me that is a problem with Microsoft's internal data has already concluded. their install bas would rather have a shorter support cycle and really only care about the newest thing for xbox, now not saying everyone, im just saying there are many that will, and i think that dose far and away out number those that do care about legacy systems.

[JonahNL]

Microsoft had it all in the beginning, but Sony won big time in the long run. Why? Lack of exclusives on Microsoft's end.

[M-M]

It still makes me sad that they made a great company like Rare develop Kinect games =(.

[Wizziokid]

I agree the 360 may be doing well in sales but in terms of the system which I would rather play games? my PS3 wins hands down, sure I'll put the 360 back on for Halo and maybe Gears but thats all I can really say I play it for.

I really want MS to change that this generation by making more core exclusive IPs and not just reworking the same brands we've had this generation.

Let Rare make a new conker game or a proper Banjo game for crying out loud!

[Kos-Mos]

And Nintendo flies through the skies as gods looking down at the humans.

[braydox21]

not just exlcusives but an overall focus of variety, Darwins theory proves that variety is good for adaptation and evoloution, while microsoft has kept itself static with little variety companies like Sony And Nintendo (although saying nintendo i would like to see something thats not mario, if you think COD is repetive you haven't heard of mario) Sony has plenty of ip's which alow plenty of flexiblity. Microsft has said that they have 15 exclusives, which does seem like an improvement. Quantic Break seems like a wannabe rival to Quantic Dreams beyond two souls, even their stories are similer (the little girl scene but after that the similarity ends)
well although right now iam still PS 4 life ill just have to wait until E3 to see if they going to be interesting or if................

[Gimmemorebubblez]

While I think Sony won this gen (Nintendo may have sold the most but they alienated hardcore gamers) MS does deserve credit for tripling their market-share.

[Skips]

Yes, what Microsoft has done IS impressive. But when you really dig into what happened, you'll find they didn't really achieve it ALL on their own per say. It was more off Sony just out right F****** up the entire start of last gen. lol

Sony starting last gen...

1. $599 price point (Telling people to get 2 jobs)
2. Released a A WHOLE year late
3. Poop marketing (Baby ad, lol)
4. Complicated hardware, botched ports (Backlash from devs and gamers alike)
5. Not many 1st party exclusive games

Sony starting this gen...

1. Sony has confirmed PS4 will be priced competitively. http://www.vg247.com/2013/0...
2. Same release window as Nextbox.
3. Sony fired last crap marketing team, the new one seems pretty effective. http://www.youtube.com/watc...
4. Lol, look at what practically EVERY dev is saying about the PS4.
5. Lol

Can't wait to see them going head to head. :D

[Ezio2048]

Very true!
Even I am instilling my faith in Sony and have always in the past simply because they are dedicated in augmenting the quality of games we gamers have been playing since the days of PS1. Regardless, I am effusive to see what MS has to offer in tomorrow's event. :D

[SuperLupe]

At the start of this gen:

Sony: 120 million install base to work on

MS: 25 million install base to work on

Look at where they both are now.

Nowhere in this universe except for N4G can you consider that is a good performance for Sony.

No amount of spin can turn that into a victory for Sony. In fact the fact that being neck to neck with a company that flopped hard last gen is considered great just shows how the mighty have fallen. And have fallen hard indeed.

[Skips]

^

"Sony: 120 million install base to work on

MS: 25 million install base to work on"

That's just it, look at what happened to the Wii U. Wii sold 99 million. And look how crap Wii U is selling. Being successful LAST generation DEFINITELY doesn't equal an automatic win, or an advantage for next gen bud.

Once next gen consoles hit, they literally start from scratch, no matter how successful their predecessors were. Next gen consoles need to build their OWN following.

"Nowhere in this universe except for N4G can you consider that is a good performance for Sony. No amount of spin can turn that into a victory for Sony."

And nowhere in my comment did I say it was a win for Sony, lol! All I said was Microsoft's so called "victory" more had to do with Sony f***** ups than anything. lol

"just shows how the mighty have fallen. And have fallen hard indeed."

Agreed, but when you fall to your lowest. You can only go up right??? And who's to say Microsoft won't "Fall" next gen? Hey, it already happened to Nintendo and Sony right???

Anyways, if there's one undeniable fact in all this... It's that Sony's "worst" performance in terms of capturing install base is still better than Microsoft "best". And that REALLY says something about, just how powerful PlayStation really is IMO.

I'll like to see how next gen turns out without all the mishaps Sony had at launch with the PS3. :D

[Aceman18]

That they do, but they definitely need to refocus back on gaming more than just wanted to take over cable like services.

that is the only way I'll be supporting the next systems.

[TrevorPhillips]

Nice try Microsoft, but the crown belongs to Sony.

[insomnium2]

"Rightfully, Microsoft can claim it won the last console generation."

Ummm... no?

[francknara6]

Sales say no
Games say hell no

Molieneux says yes. Classic.

[DeletedAcc]

Microsoft. You are really funny ;)
But sony is the number #1 since 1994

[Syntax-Error]

I guess you've been asleep for a decade because Sony hasn't been #1 since 2005

[dirigiblebill]

I think it's pretty well established that Sony has now sold more consoles, but Microsoft has presumably made a whole lot more money - their hardware was profitable earlier, and they've put together this gen's most lucrative online gaming platform.

[kneon]

It wasn't profitable for the first few years when you take into account the billions they wrote off on the RROD extended warranties.

[XXXL]

What a Dildo

[Bonerboy]

Ah yes the old "dildo". Always makes me laugh.

Dildos aside...who gives a shit about who 'won' whatever winning entails?

Next gen please.

[josephayal]

that doesn't make sense

[ltachiUchiha]

He looks like he misses working for microsoft lol.

[SDF Repellent]

He no longer works for MS, so I can care less of what he had to say. Less than 7 hours away and I can't wait.

[Aceman18]

Figures lol

[Typical-Guy]

All will be revealed tonight... we will see what that means !

P.S tonight here in Saudi Arabia :-)

[leogets]

how did ms win exactly? sales? in that case Wii won.. games? in that case Sony won.. overall awesomness? Sony again.. ms did win something thoe. rip of company of the decade

[Alos88]

Yes Molyneux, Microsoft has ascended to the next plane of existence, where the contents of cubes can change lives and where ridiculous promises about your games always match the reality. :/

[KentBlake]

Although he always talks out of his ass, I can't really hate the guy. He's too "good natured british guy" to hate.

But, MS won? I don't think so.

[sandman224]

He's a joke. I watched the man throughout the years. All he did was make fable. Other than that he's not that impressive as a developer.

[KentBlake]

In fact, he made Populous, which was pretty great.

[Mnemonic-DK]

*Ahem* http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

Populous, Syndicate, Dungeon Keeper, Black & White, etc...

I agree that he is annoying as hell when he over-promises and under-delivers, but he has made a few good games other than Fable.

[KentBlake]

Yep. All these other games are also great.

[LightofDarkness]

Dungeon Keeper? Populous? Black & White? Theme Park?

Inventor of the "God Game" genre?

Not THAT impressive?

I think we know who the joke is here.

[oof46]

Oh Peter. The things you say.

[Baka-akaB]

Not even close to winning . They made an impressive mark and more than won their place ... however sales belong to Nintendo , be it hardware or software , and critical acclaim from gamers and the press belong to Sony this gen .

[C0MPUT3R]

Oh the Irony.
.
Coming from the guy that created the FABLE IP.
.
Peter M is all about the fables.

[C_Ali88]

Consoles sold the Wii won this generation....Period and I own all 3! 2nd and 3rd is between Sony and Microsoft. Neither won.

[NobodyImportant]

"Consoles sold the Wii won this generation"

I can't dispute that.

But Wii only gamers are the biggest losers of the generation. Just look at all the amazing games they missed out on (unless they also owned one of the decent consoles.)
Poor guys. Nintendo has lined its pockets while selling all you suckers hugely marked up Gamecubes with waggle controllers.
I feel your pain guys. I also fell for the Wii con too. It won't happen again with the Wii U though. I've learnt my lesson.

[LoveOfTheGame]

Anyone who only played one console was a loser. How can people live with themselves without playing MGS, GOW, Halo, Gears, Mario, and Zelda. It's the perfect combination of awesome.

[yewles1]

Makes sense...

http://www.thisisxbox.com/3...

[joefrost00]

The reason MS won
Is based on what they came from MS went from 10-11percent market share to 30-35 when all they were trying to do is get there name out there they didnt even think they would this well
Sony went from running it to losing over half of its market share and you can talk about exact sells and say sony didnt come in last but if you ask sony they will tell you they came in last
Sony fans have such a hard time saying we lost and get so defensive
He is right MS are appealing to a larger user base
Sony will be doing the same thing watch it's all about marketing sony market games and MS market total entertainment but will be doing the same thing

[Angeljuice]

Sony's 2nd console sold 150 million, they got complacent and thought if they could build the best machine, all developers would naturally pick it as their lead format for multi-platform games, therefore giving them a huge advantage in game quality of cross-platform software.
By the time they arrived in the market place, Microsoft had a large user base already and the developers found it easier to develop for so Xbox became the lead format.
This time around, Nintendo believed it could do no wrong, any machine they released would be an instant hit. Microsoft are jealous of Nintendo's Wii sales figures and will court the casual gamer market that Wii used to dominate, and Sony having learned their lesson and eaten a huge slice of humble pie have done everything right so far .

Sony is the only company that asked developers what they really want this time around, the other two were too busy patting themselves on the back to give a damn.
I think Sony has the healthiest strategy, when you've been hurt once, you come back fighting, when you have things your own way you become lazy and complacent.

[Cueil]

Microsoft's goal was control of the living room... that's expanded a bit of course, but it's still the main purpose of the Xbox

[joeyisback]

LMFAO PS3 was never competing with the xbox 360 aka xbox crappy PS3 was way to advance over the 360 also world wide sales show PS3 pass the 360 up in world wide sales

[jcnba28]

This just proves that Microsoft don't care as much about the games anymore and want to turn Xbox into an entertainment system.

[ybadr]

This guy smoked weed.

[Crillvirus81]

I don't care what this guys says who ever has the most sales is the winner and clearly it was Nintendo and yes world wide cause who's says the us is more important than Europe or Japan total sales are what matter

[ebreda]

Commercialy, he's absolutely right. When you come from a 15% market share (with the first Xbox) and get to a 30-35% market share (with the 360), and your main rival goes from 65% (with the PS2) to the same 30-35% as you (with the PS3), you're obviously the winner.

It doesn't matter wether the PS3 surpasses the 360 in sales or not - Sony had the clear lead in the console wars last generation, and now the ground is leveled. It's obviously a win for MS, no matter how you spin it, specially since the 360 sold more software too.

In the quality of the games side, though, it's up to anyone's opinion.

[Jdoki]

MS should definitely be proud of the market share they have gained.

And even more so that they are profitable almost every Quarter too (if you ignore the 5 billion hole from the original Xbox and 360 R&D and launches, and the 1 billion from Warranty write off)!

[joeorc]

"Commercialy, he's absolutely right. When you come from a 15% market share (with the first Xbox) and get to a 30-35% market share (with the 360), and your main rival goes from 65% (with the PS2) to the same 30-35% as you (with the PS3), you're obviously the winner."

that number is if you do not count every companies platforms, for instance why would you discount all platforms offered on the retail shelf of the other companies by only pointng out only one platform of each to determine market share?

No other market share dynamic does that why is it that is only applys to the game console market? look while Microsoft has indeed grown its market share, it is by no mean's 30 to 35% of the market! that is just the truth because in order to do that you would have to ignore the other multiple platforms of both Nintendo and Sony's offering's and that is not correct value of Market share. Now Mind share, maybe yes i would say your spot on but real, true % of over all market share in this part of the market, umm no.

Not with only one platform Microsoft is not going to have that % not even Nintendo or Sony themselves have such a large chunk.

remember market share is all platforms in the market and the share is

"Unit market share: The units sold by a particular company as a percentage of total market sales, measured in the same units."

unit's sold! that means what units are they talking about, do you only count only one platform from each company on the shelf at a time? or do you count every platform in this market that each company offer's to determine their chunk of this market?

if ford and chevy only count one auto they produce for their market share or do they count every auto they make for their over all market share?

you cannot have it both way's if you want to count market share on a platform by platform basis, that's fine, but do not try to claim you have a larger market share than you could really have when the other companies have more than just one platform in the retail shelf selling and you only have the one, the aggregate for over all market share does not work that way in the real world.

[Clarence]

It doesn't matter now because the PS3 has passed the 360, but awhile ago 360 fans and 360 employees bragged about being ahead.

Actually it matters that the PS3 has surpassed the 360. It shows how strong the Sony brand is. Despite being bashed by the media , Xbox fans, and the year headstart. The ps3 has taken the lead over the 360.

The console marketshare was bound to split once a new console was introduced.

Nintendo was the only company going up against the PS2.

Sony changed the game once they introduced the PS3. They proved that a console could be more than just a gaming machine.

Now look M$ is trying to copy Sony blueprint by making the next Xbox a entertainment gaming console just like The PS3 is.

What's funny is they say their no longer competing with Sony in Nintendo that's because they've lost for the second time in a row. So now to boost sells for their next Xbox their turning it into a cable box. Hoping that people will buy it based on that.

There not even on the same level as apple and Samsung.
Zune, windows phone, and surface tablet have been a bust. Now their going after the TV market. They can't even make hardware that works right out the box. Now they want you to replace your cable box with their sh!tty hardware! No thanks.

[ebreda]

Sony changed the game with the PS3 offering an "entertainment gaming console" ? Sony proved "a console could be more than just a gaming machine"? It's obviously the other way around! MS was the one that started focusing on stuff other than gaming (and got bashed for it, again and again).

I share Sony's vision of the future of gaming, if nothing because Sony did focused only on the gaming side of it. It's MS that tries to turn your 360 into an entertainment hub and continues to do so with the Xbox One.

You sond like Sony invented the whole "videogame as a media device" thing, but it's the other way around. Just look at all the apps available for the 360.

Anyway, MS did good with the 360, gaining market share and diminishing Sony's dominance on the market. Sony went from utter dominance to maybe surpassing its imediate rival in the 6th year on the market. It's not something to write home about, that's for sure.

As for next gen, though, from what I've seen so far, Sony is where I personally want to be with my gaming. But I'll wait for E3 to better judge both companies.

[NateCole]

Your logic is flawed. Every new console gen every starts from zero.

[ACEMANWISE]

I have a strong feeling that gaming will make a comeback. All these social related ideas are nice but are beginning to lose popularity.

This gaming industry have been chasing the wrong markets for so long they are beginning to lose focus on who or what they are competing with.

When a company starts believing their competition are a bunch of portable devices then you know they forgot their hardware's true purpose.

For starters they aren't portable. To even begin competing they would need a portable device. Why couldn't they take a handheld like the Vita and give it cellphone abilities? Instead a company like Microsoft ignores the handheld altogether.

If these companies had any sense they would focus on games and use their handheld devices to their advantage. These portable devices have the ability to interact with their respective consoles, something smartphones and other portable devices do not. Give them the same features and apps and then make better more graphical games. Problem solved and they all can go back to games for consoles.

[Belking]

He is right. Google, Apple and samsung are more of a threat than sony is.

[nthstew]

FOR this reason they launched Windows 8 with no start,fancy METRO STYLE APPS LIKE MOBILE PHONES, focusing too much on the SHITTY touch interface,its first own too EXPENSIVE( $999 to $1599)tablets thereby
RUINING THE COMPUTING EXPERIENCE

[jut420]

Sales wise I think we all know Nintendo won this gen. Games wise, I thought Sony dominated the competition.

Maybe Molyneux is losing since he was the biggest loser this gen. Went from being the Head at Lionhead making AAA games to making mobile games asking for Kickstarter money.

[o-Sunny-o]

Spoken like a true casual gamer. We will be competing with Google, Apple, and etc. Ashamed to have read that. smh

[nthstew]

MICROSOFT CAN NEVER COMPETE WITH GOOGLE and SAMSUNG

[Belking]

"MICROSOFT CAN NEVER COMPETE WITH GOOGLE and SAMSUNG"

Maybe, but sony has already proven that they can't....lol

[KingKevo]

Funny guy. He did totally not forget who he used to work with.

And competing with Apple, Google and Samsung ... Peter does know that Sony does not just make the PlayStation, but also TVs, PCs, tablets and smartphones (that use Andorid which has been co-developed by Sony as part of the OHA), that they are part of the BDA and also run movie and music subsidiaries and their own streaming services. Tbh, when it comes to entertainment, MS, as more of a software and tech company, has a long way ahead to be able to compete with Sony, who are having better numbers again since Kaz' restructuring as President and CEO.

[fsfsxii]

So, the next box is going to have an identity crisis.

[Jamaicangmr]

Come on Peter i like you don't go all bat crazy on us.

[skipper]

How many of those 360's shipped are replacements for RROD? Also We all know who sold more consoles this past gen, and it was not Microsoft. This guy talks out of his arse. Sony is neck in neck with Microsoft, Sony is not at all in last place. If anything the past 3 years PS3 sales have gone way up.

Sony has also had some great 1st party software this year, which is way more than I can say for Microsoft. They pretty much have been working on Nextbox for the past year, where as Sony has been working on both of their systems and going out of this gen with a bang.

[Commodore]

How he can possibly say that is just mind boggling. Sure they aren't competing with Nintendo. Nintendo screwed up royally with the U...Granted I haven't kept up with gaming news since my PS3 broke last summer...again....and I just can't afford a new one (and might as well wait for a PS4 at this point).

But everything SONY has shown with the PS4 points to them getting their groove back. Devs are loving it. The games they've shown so far seem impressive. Now I am a Playstation gamer but do occasionally play the 360 that my roommates in college owned and I love both experiences (Halo and Minecraft but that was it). The PS3 had a much wider range and variety of games.

I can't comment on the next XBOX though because they have yet to really show it off and what games will come with it. I will be buying a PS4 though so...my opinion is skewed.

[S2Killinit]

hahahha Xbox 'won'? How? they are in 3rd place.

[Thatlalala]

No one should ever, ever, ever listen to what Old' boy Petey spews, 3/4 of are lies and the other 1/4 is b/s. Sit down please Pete, no ones gives a fuck.

[GABRIEL1030]

LOl! In third place and won. But this guy is right, MS won a lot of money because is the only platform where you pay for the online. :(

[PigPen]

He don't get to decide who will be the winner. We decide who will be the winner with our money. So that in itself is premature statement. Although I do like the Xbox.

[strigoi814]

Lolz peter is maybe looking up for MS to hire him as their PR guy..

[tdogg]

I loved my ps3 but I was more into online gaming so I chose xbox 360 the only thing I played my ps3 for is there exclusives other than that my ps3 sits and collect dust

[Hydralysk]

Thank Molyneux, because more of your constant bullshit that fans the flames of the console war is just what we need here on N4G.

[turnerdc]

Molyneux is right. He's not referring to "winning" as purely selling more than anyone else but rather to what they've accomplished with the brand. The Xbox got it's foot in the door last generation but it really made a name for itself this generation (going from 24 million units sold with the original Xbox to 77 million units sold with the 360). Not only that but Xbox Live is now a widely recognized and extremely profitable service. A completely new entry into the market going up against industry giants like Sony and Nintendo jumped from around 6 percent market share to around 30 percent market share this generation...that's HUGE! Looking at Sony market share they went from dominating the market to now just matching Microsoft.

Here is the market share from 2004 (6th generation consoles):

http://www.ivoryresearch.co...

Sony: 51.9 percent
Microsoft: 6.5 percent

Here is the market share from 2012 (7th generation consoles):

http://theschwartz.files.wo...

Sony: 27.7 percent
Microsoft: 29.4 percent

[wishingW3L]

Peter and his denial are ridiculous.

[gnothe1]

This post is one bug circle jerk for the PS3 FANBOYS of N4G...it seems to me their more interested in the xbox reveal than true xbox fans....also..just because YOU liked what the PS3 offered doesn't make you right...I preferred my 360 but that doesn't make me right...its my OPINION. ..I'm entitled to that...

An what's with all this talk about the new xbox being casual an not for the hardcore...multiplatform games make up 90 percent of each systems library..so as long as I can play madden..COD an everything else on both systems then I don't know what the problem is..

[kingPoS]

If MS wants take on Samsung and Apple, then their going to have to make windows phone's and xbox music actually preform better than the competition.

Or essentially turn the next box into a game console /slash/ multimedia tv outlet /slash/ social network device.

If any have mirroring or opposing opinions that state otherwise, then by all means... express your opinions.

[DivineAssault]

lol BS! Theres a lot of ppl who arent buying nx gen right away & will still buy current gen systems.. If sony continues moving units & making money while PS4 is out, how can MS still have won? Current gen projects are still getting made too so i completely disagree that they won.. The wii also smoked both sony & MS in console sales..

[KimiRaikkonen]

I have to agree with him this time. This gen has been far more profitable for m'soft than it has been for sony

[cr33ping_death]

Peter loves that ms teet

[WalterWJR]

IGN live reveal. Question to peter

"do you think xbox will have a service similar to PS+"
Peter - "I don't really know what PS+ is"

yer this guy is a reputable source.

[BrianC6234]

He's pretty stupid if he doesn't know what it is. Either that or just a liar.

[BrianC6234]

This is what I don't like about Microsoft. They act like they created everything. They wouldn't even be in gaming if it wasn't for Sony doing what they did. They showed you can sell games to adults. Microsoft didn't win this generation anyway. It's even between them and Sony. The Wii sold more consoles. Nobody won this generation.

[mrmancs]

What a joker this guy is....

[1nsomniac]

When is Molyneux going to realise he's a bellend & no one has cared about anything he has done since Black & White. Go back to crying over your failed pathetic ideas of entertainment.

Peter Molyneux = The poor mans David Cage.

[smashcrashbash]

Oh yeah that is an unbiased statement if I ever saw one./s I suppose if Naughty Dog said Sony won this gen I suppose people would accept that right?

[hazelamy]

oh Peter, you so crazy. ^_^

[Nodoze]

Newsflash - MS does not care about gamers. They NEVER have. They have used them as a stepping stone to take over the living room.

Was gaming front and center in the announcements today? NO. TV TV TV One console to control your entertainment, sports contracts with NFL, ESPN etc

These have NOTHING to do with gaming!!!!

[NateCole]

lol! 3 is the new 1.

[leemo19]

Judging so far from MS conference, Ms won't be winning anything.

[gano]

stop sayin all gamers.
m$ is not a gaming company, and they cant convence me they are.
they dont even show games at the event.
they Are and forever will be a gov run copy and paste ass company.
fuc'em

[silvacrest]

after fable 2 & 3 why is this mans opinion even relevant?

and yes, i did say opinion, like others have said, xbox won america and nothing else

[windblowsagain]

Molyneux - Seek medical advice.

Wii won this gen.
PS3 finished second
XBOX360 third.

Next gen.

So far it's either

SONY OR MS.

Wii u is finished

[Master of Unlocking]

Molyneux: Microsoft "won" this generation, no longer competing with Sony and Nintendo

Now after seeing that terrible MS conference where they unveiled their nextbox 'damn, even that sounded better), I can finally say I agree with you Pete: you're right, Microsoft is no longer competing with Sony or Ninty, that's because MS has officially exited the gaming world and decided to become a cable company, lol, while Sony and Ninty stay in the gaming business! lmfao
Dunno if they'll "win" anything in that business but one thing is for sure: they lost this gen and any credibility as console and videogame makers.

[MadMen]

From a pure market share stand point SONY got their a$$ handed to them by both ms and nintendo.

We shall see next gen , I do not expect SONY to make the same mistakes they will be ready.

[Minute Man 721]

Sony will be ready they already got this in the bag
Don't play used games? Lame

[jakmckratos]

Wow..how dumb..yes and Fable 3 was a great game Peter...it's funny how everyone says they're not competing with the other consoles and yet Sony is the only one who understand that YES people only have a certain amount of money theyd spend on a console..it doesnt matter how different u think the experience is...seldom people have a need for more than one console...and the major difference IS the games and SOny IS delivering ON the games

[Cryptcuzz]

So much fail in this game as of late it is not even funny anymore.

I believe with him running his mouth like this, it is doing more harm for Microsoft then doing good.

I know he is not with MS anymore, but with guys like this running his mouth, it only takes a person with common sense to know what he is saying is a sign of insecurity and complete BS.

[H3ADWOUND81]

They should re-title the article "How to alienate & make yourself look like a cock".. By Peter molyneux.. The guys lost grip on reality.. Lol..

[smokey204]

Well sony is really going to rake in the money, with blue ray now in the crapbox/xbox.good work sony with blue ray from the last console war.now you have that evil company Microsoft in the corner, with all the game developers excited about making games for ps4.sony won this war . Microsoft is so the 90s..#50

[Clarence]

@Ebreda
The ps3 was the
1st to offer Internet surfing
1st with bluray
1st with wifi included in console
1st to be able to swap out harddrive
1st hdmi ports

The media and Xbox fans bashed Sony for this
You got ur facts all wrong.
M$ waited for Sony make the with bluray. Then said there is no need for it.
Now Xbox 1 has bluray.

Nice try. Now go make another ghost account!

[Max-Zorin]

It should be legal to shoot stupid journalists.

[Sarobi]

Hey Molyneux.. the only thing Microsoft is winning this generation.. is a seat. Quite frankly I wasn't happy with what was shown at the event.

[evilhasitsway]

im not going to read it I watch the reveal if anything ms isn't even trying to fight sony this time they pretty much aim for multimedia and not the games and yes I some people are gonna say oh there waiting for e3 well guess what so is sony and sony showed a lot more games than xbox one I will still buy both but ps4 is first. hell four of the games they showed off aren't exclusives and they say they got 15 comeing and 8 are new ips well all I got to say is we will see.

[Thomaticus]

Let them win I'm going to buy a ps4 and enjoy it.

[whamlollypop7]

One douche one opinion, this whole who won the generation debate is retarded.

[grimmweisse]

The only thing Peter can do well is over hype things. So hearing this from him is no surprise. He has been sucking off MS for a while even though the fable series is extremely mediocre.

Make a credible game then i might take him seriously.

[musashiden]

Yeah sure Molineaux, tell me more..... :D what are you saying about your new "cable box" all in one, vhs and bluray?

[Minute Man 721]

LOL Xbox One will fail. Was planning on picking up both consoles but I'm rolling with the PS4

[Adolph Fitler]

Get off the crack Molymock son, Wii is currently winning, with PS3 coming 2nd & with the potential to finish up in front of Wii sales wise, or not too far off.

Dummies seemed to think that because Sony sold 120+ million consoles for 2 gens straight, with PS1 & PS2, that it was a given that, that trend would continue until the dinosaurs came back. It was a huge enough feat for Sony to dominate, leaving the competition reeling with embarrassment & shame, as Sony entered the market with PS1, against 2 very experienced, formidable opponents in Sega & Nintendo,......unfortunately for Sega, they made to many stupid mistakes, & they failed to truly get everything right with there last 2 & especially last attempt.....I mean, the Dreamcast was let down, A) by poor marketing strategies, such as piss poor advertising, as well as the monumentally stupid idea to try & leave the Sega branding out of it as much as possible, B) the fact that Sega went with a CD based system, over the DVD approach, as unlike DVD to Blu-Ray, people were ready for an upgrade like this & PS2 & Xbox's DVD integration helped them both sell many more machines, much faster than normal, & finally C) Sega went from being one of THE BEST arcade & console game developers, to being a developer that relied to heavily on past glories, eg. they would release games like Daytona that were substandard,....& to further break that down, they thought they could get away with releasing 10yr old arcade racers, that had no visual upgrades & bloody the original measly 3 tracks.... I mean, they should have been releasing a rebooted Daytona, that was worthy of the name on Dreamcast, not a hack sub standard port. Ended up, Sega were running 2nd place on there own system, as far as games go, as 3rd parties were releasing the better games, & this is a no no, as 1st party games MUST DEFINE a console brand, as Halo with Xbox, Gears with 360, Crash with PS1 & GT & GOW with the PS brand in general.

Fact is, PS3 has overtaken 360 in worldwide sales by a miniscule margin, barely worth bragging over.....barely....but, considering the rubbish that rubbish press & game websites & fanboys put on Sony & the PS3 for months before release, & years after, as well as over 12months handicap in release from 360's, as well as a substantially higher price point (for many, who obviously think gaming is cheap), I think it is more embarrassing for MS that they were unable to capitalize on the many upshots they were handed by Sony & the haters that constantly bagged them throughout the gaming world. Sony NEVER should have been able to get near MS's 360 sales, the 360 had ALL the momentum & now everybody (including the blissfully ignorant casuals) knew that MS had a console out.

[Adolph Fitler]

So, with 360 & PS3 sales barely separable, it isn't worth carrying on like tarts, like Molyneux is, as he is a game developer 1st & foremost, & instead of this biased crap, due to his former employment (obviously he is sucking up, so as not to burn his bridges, if he needs to go back to MS employ), he should just be promoting gamers to buy great games.

And heres the thing, I am honest enough to admit that I prefer Sony's consoles, for the simple reason that I prefer the feel of the DS in my hand, over any other controller, as well as, I just love there exclusives waaaay more than other consoles, games like infamous, Ratchet, Resistance, Starhawk, Twisted Metal, GOW, Motorstorm, Unchartered, etc, etc are just of a quality, quantity & mixture of awesome genres, that caters to my tastes on a almost scary level.
But, by the same token, I am more than capable of using the 360's controller, & thankfully so, as I a gamer 1st & foremost, & so, it would be doing myself a disservice to miss out on games such as GeOW, Halo, etc, & same goes with Wii. I mean, I already own a Wii-U for some unknown reason......

So, point is, this dumbass developer, as well as anyone who calls themselves a gamer, should pull there fingers out of there asses, & stop carrying on with the nonsense, but instead, support the GAMES & DEVELOPERS that are making kickass games. There are TOO MANY, companies sinking or suffering mass staff casualties for no other reason than gamers out there are ignoring some truly awesome, groundbreaking, AAA+ stellar games. I mean, Resistance 3 should have sold like hotcakes, as well as Starhawk, Twisted Metal, Socom, MAG, MS: Apocalypse, just to mention a few of my heavily ignored faves.
I mean, Bayonetta suffered crappy sales, Darksiders 2 another.....what the hell is wrong with gamers?????Have we all turned into brainless, followers????, are we all unoriginal zombies that are only capable of buying & playing the countless samely COD, Fifa, Madden sequels that Activision & EA squeeze outta there butt cheeks EVERY YEAR?

[Xenomorph]

Spore is so cool, I'm glad the game didn't fall radically flat of where it was suppose to be.

[YoloSwag]

Economically, Nintendo won. But everyone has their own opinion about the quality of software available on their preferred systems.

[ziggurcat]

oh lolyneux... you so crazay!

[madpuppy]

bah, this guy is the biggest lying exaggerator in game development next to Randy PRICK-FORD FROM GEARBOX.

[ZBlacktt]

Jokes on this clown, lol....

[Bumpmapping]

HAHA!! Great stuff!

[Double_O_Revan]

@Molyneux
You're an idiot and you haven't made a great game in a long Long time.

[aLiEnViSiToR]

LOL this is bad... now PS4 has no competition in console war and they might get lazy or sell PS4 for $699 xD

[SonyAddict]

"No longer competing with Sony or Nintendo"
Because they simply can't!
DEAL WITH IT!!!.

[ArtificiallyYours]

Molyneux has a very specific relationship, it's no surprise he blurbs out prep talk, hype talk.... Pretentious gimmicks to tease us, or just whoring our time.

[RFornillos4]

i think MS is just spreading itself too thin. walking on thin ice, if you may.

they're making the XBox One, a total all-in-one package. Now this could be a good thing, but eventually competing not only with Sony and Nintendo, but also with Google, Samsung, Apple, etc. means practically waging war on all fronts. and that unfortunately, may result into their own demise. sad, but probable.

[Neko_Mega]

This is coming from the guy that made alot of hype about Fable games but didn't keep his word.

Yeah I'm sorry but from what I seen, the Xbox One hasn't won at all and I don't see it doing well. That hook it to your cable box idea only works if you have a cable box.

An being stuck with Kinect one, forget that because who knows how long it is going to be for a hacker to find away to take control of it.

[H4all]

THIS ARTICLE IS BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH.....

[VISUAL-ANT3]

You all say how Ps3 has surpassed the XBOX everywhere but in the US. What makes the most money? Consoles or the games, the games do. Halo and Gears alone sold more than all of the PS3 exclusives put together... Another thing, look at the attach rates and since you say the Xbox sold so much because of faulty systems.. Why is the game attach rate on the 360 better? Here's another thing to think about... Why aren't PS3 exclusives selling better? Maybe people wanted a Blu-Ray player that could play games as well. Maybe that is that the reason PS3 exclusive aren't selling so well so many casual gamers own their system.