It's me again, making yet another possibly controversial blog about this site. Previously I've made a blog about how the mods of this site don't take as active a role in much of what goes on on N4G as many people think and instead let us, the community, moderate the site ourselves. Now I'm here to ask and answer the question of if that is true of everything.
What I'm about to post is not a judgement of the moderating team of this site. Quite frankly, there is literally nothing they can do to change what I'm going to be talking about.
Do you all remember how there used to be a site called dealzone.com that would get instant approval to post their spam in the blog section? If you don't, I wrote a blog about that too. LOL. Anyway, I found out through some digging and a comment that the fact that dealzone.com got instant approval because of mods and Network Managers approving it was due to a deal that dealzone had with the owners of N4G, Hava Media. My blog called out this tactic as being against the very rules, and spirit, of this site. That a company can just pay for instant approval while the rest of us had to work for it was and still is completely wrong. After the blog I wrote I have yet to see a single submission from dealzone.com in the blog section ever again. I'm not taking credit for that, I'm simply laying out the timeline.
That incident brought up the fact that there are always exceptions to any rule, and that we don't actually "moderate" or control everything that comes on this site.
Well guess what folks, I have another instance of us, the community, having no control. You know when you read an article submission and you think "this is pure flamebait" and click on that little + sign next to the site's name so that you can vote it down? The object of that vote is so that we, the community that are the lifeblood of this site, aren't subjected to content we don't like because it's blatantly sensationalist, trolling, or spam. The idea is that WE get to decide what sites even have their submissions seen at all. Sounds pretty good right? Too bad it's not that cut and dry.
Turns out that Hava Media has other arrangements for some of the sites that can have articles submitted here. Ever wonder why Kotaku gets away with having their sensationalist B.S. posted on the site? Well part of it is because of the submitters and the approvers who don't care that it's garbage journalism, and the other part is because our votes don't count for jack. Sites like Kotaku, IGN, and any of the bigger gaming news sites are completely exempt from having their 3 stars downvoted to oblivion.
From a business perspective, of course anyone can understand why this is. The big sites bring in the clicks which brings in the money. But how hypocritical is it to tell us that we, the members of this site, are in control of everything that is shown on the site and yet in the same moment take away a basic, yet huge aspect of that control? We are told we have the ability to prevent unworthy content from showing up on the site. That if we so choose, we can make it invisible to us. In the Past, this power has been used to ban HipHopGamer from posting anything on this site thanks to how sensationalist and misinformed his submissions and even their titles were.
HipHopGamer is no different than Kotaku except to say that he is not as big a presence as Kotaku. HipHopGamer didn't get to have a seat in the panel that chose the 2012 VGA winners, but Kotaku had 3. Now, I'm no fan of HipHopGamer just as I'm no fan of Kotaku, but it seems to me that punishing one for being sensationalist, misleading, and causing deliberate controversy yet not punishing the other is hypocritical, contradictory, and completely wrong. Wouldn't you agree?
So really, what control do we actually have? Well, we can make submissions and approve or report them, but if a company pays Hava Media then they get instant approval. We can vote sites up or down but if they are a big site or have arrangements with Hava Media, then our votes mean absolutely nothing. Basically, what we get to do is decide if we want to submit an article from any site while the rest of the members hope that said site or submission isn't exempt from the traditional rules set forth in Site Guidelines that everyone else has to follow.
Wanna do something about it? Well I have a potential solution for you. No, it's not contacting the mods, admins, or Network Managers. They can't do anything. What you want to do is go to this site...
http://havamedia.com/Home/C...
Use the form to tell Hava Media that you don't appreciate being told that you are the lifeblood of their site only when it doesn't conflict with their business relationships. That if they are going to remove control from the members they claim to value enough to give them control in the first place, that they should create an asterisked amendment in their own rules citing the moments we do not have control. In short, ask them what purpose there is in giving us control if there are moments where that control is taken from us in favour of going against the site rules and lowering the overall quality of the site in favour of pandering to sensationalist pseudo-journalists like Kotaku.com
I'm already submitting my "feedback." Will you do the same?
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"The Tokyo-based (Japan) indie games developer Kakehashi Games today announced with great joy and excitement that their open-world sailing sim/RPG, “Sagres” is now available for the Nintendo Switch via the Nintendo Eshop (as revealed in today’s Japan region Indie World 2024 presentation)." - Jonas Ek, TGG.
I'm absolutely loving the roll you're on in terms of blogs. Submission after submission is literally spot-on in the subject of discussion. I'm looking forward to the next one!
Kotaku has 1 good article a month i think at this point. The rest is just hyperbole, nothing would make me happier then seeing Kotaku end up on the ban list same as Polygon. The offspring of Kotaku founded by Brian Crecente. I mean for gods sake they have McWhertor and Gies as editors both are complete shills.
I've seen enough comments with inexplicable "well said" bubble-ups with twice (or more) as many disagrees as agrees (in large quantities, not like 3 disagrees or anything) to confidently say that the bubble system is largely manipulated by the mods.
And it doesn't shock me that they wouldn't take care of consistent crap like Kotaku...I'm sure they realized what a mistake it was to ban HHG when site clicks surely reduced 10%.
BUT, and this is a big stinky but (heehee, ZP), I blame Kotaku having 3 stars on Kotaku...any site that manipulates people so well with hot button topics surely knows the game well enough to have many accounts that vote EVERY Kotaku article up.
1. Your blog is spot on about how there are elements to which the community, mods, or admins have no control. In the end, N4G does as much as it can to be community driven, but there are still mods and the owners still want the hits.
2. HHG wasn't banned because of sensationalist titles or the like. He was banned for the #1 thing that sites do that get them a ban, plagiarism and use of content from another site without permission (content theft).
3. I encourage all people to submit feedback to Hava Media. It's info that will at least tell them that enough users want something better and something not as controlled by them in this manner.
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***Hottest articles are also controlled by mods hence why articles just vanish off the top while some with very few comments get promoted to the top.***
This is not true. Only admins have this power (of which there are two, me being the one who does it on here primarily) and, even then, the ones I tend to remove from the front are those opinion pieces that get there by abusing clicks to get heat and have few comments.
***I figured that was the case. Merill lost 2 bubbles http://n4g.com/news/1216616... http://n4g.com/news/1216616... for pointing out that Kotaku still has 3 stars despite many down votes. ***
He was bubbled down for being off topic, which is a more appropriate bubble vote, but they're the same in the end as far as 'vote' power. And, it's IMPOSSIBLE to lose 2 bubbles from a single vote, mod/admin/regular users.
Great blog once again. I'm not sure how much control users have over this site, but like cgoodno said, it would be great if individual users could blacklist sites so that they don't show up in their news feeds.
A few years ago the comment section on N4G had two parts. One was just the normal comment area, and the other was the "fanboy exile" area that you had to specifically click to see. Perhaps the site admins could implement something similar for websites.