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Time Extend: Final Fantasy XII

EDGE: "No other game series divides quite like Final Fantasy. As with Mario and Ryu, its name is so linked with its genre that your affection or dislike towards one is tied to that of the other, and the Japanese RPG is something everyone loves to love or loves to hate. Detractors argue that the series’ showboating technical advances bear false witness to underlying mechanics that should have been consigned to the scrapheap long ago. Worse, while the characters and details of each release may vary, the basics never yield to progress or changes in taste, a stubbornness that’s both unattractive and unfashionable."

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ShugaCane4002d ago

When FF XII came out, people complained because it looked like a MMO with the new combat system and the open world. When FF XIII came out, people complained because it was too linear. Morality : People like complaining. (but I do agree with the fact 13 was not memorable at all)

Anyway, FF XII is to me one of the best RPGs of the previous generation. The graphics, the gameplay, the gambits/Licence Board, the huge landscapes, the incredibly fascinating lore. I loved everything about that game, and I was happy when I played Xenoblade because it reminded me of it a lot. I really hope the next FF will be as memorable as this one.

Godmars2904001d ago (Edited 4001d ago )

You point is invalid: fewer people bought FF12 than earlier entries in the series, as they failed to buy FF13 which was especially bad because the game was on two platforms.

So the real moral is: people who complain about things they buy stop buying what they're complaining about.

Also you seem to be showing a lack of understanding or appreciation of story. Equate FF12 meandering political setting which had little to do with saving a world, where Xenoblade dealt with a genocidal conflict which had been going on before the beginning of the world it took place on.

TopDudeMan4001d ago

FFXII's story was just ridiculously confusing and I didn't care about it at all. But I loved the actual game.

ShugaCane4001d ago

I never said Xenoblade reminded me of FF XII because of its story. It's more because of the sense of freedom and the wide and open environments.

yoshiroaka4001d ago

final fantasy 12 was great!

wishingW3L4001d ago (Edited 4001d ago )

the morality should be that people like different things... But most FF fans are in for the story and characters and FF12 had a very boring one while FF13 was a total mess and even worse when it came to the gameplay. Because FF13 wasn't just "too linear" it was literally a tube until you got to Pulse and then back to the tube again. So don't even try to spin this fact!

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Pyrrhus4001d ago

Ill have to agree that FF12 was one of the best RPGs in the previous generation but I didnt really like it to begin with. It really began to grow on me though when I played through it a second time.

dedicatedtogamers4001d ago

FF12 is the best FF game in my eyes, with the exception of FF6 or Tactics (which isn't the "main" series I suppose).

It finally gave us the political/racial storyline that we'd needed for quite a long while instead of the same old "the world's most angsty and unique snowflake is gonna save us all!" plot. It finally gave us customization of our characters not only in their abilities but even their behavior in combat (which unfortunately was only fully realized in Zodiac).

Oh yeah. And it gave us freedom. You enjoy the "old" turn-based battles of Final Fantasy? NEWS FLASH: you can do that in FF12 by setting some incredibly basic options (no, I'm not talking about Gambits). You enjoy tapping "X" a hundred times to plow your way through enemies? Okay, go ahead. However, for those of us who were bored with those conventions, FF12 also allowed us to completely customize our party so that we could breeze through the grindy areas and focus on the good stuff.

Also, best cast of characters since FF6. Everyone rags on Vaan and Penelo except for those who were smart enough to realize they were the side-characters of the story.

booni34001d ago

Agreed, FFXII was superb.

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MaideninBlack4002d ago

The main problem I had with FFXII wasn't the gameplay, it was the story. It was lacking and really gave me no reason to continue playing. But I finished it anyway but never touched it again.

The characters were all bland, boring and meh,except Balthier, I think is his name.

The Aeons were..different but just as uninteresting as 5/6 of the party members.

Nerdmaster4001d ago

I'm playing the zodiac version, and I don't think I really agree that gameplay wasn't a problem. I'm like 10 hours into the game and the game is playing itself. Once I set the gambits and turn on the "L1 mode" (in the zodiac version it doubles the speed of the game), I just move around and characters do their thing without any help. Even for the bosses, I change a gambit or two, and I don't have to do anything. After some hours, it gets very boring.

But I'm trying to finish it. In my list of non-MMORPG and non-NES FF games, only FF 12 and 7 are left for me to finish, and I plan to finish them both, as much as I suffer while doing it.

dedicatedtogamers4001d ago

How is that any different than 97% of JRPGs?

At least FF12 was self-conscious enough to realize that it was better to automate pointless battles (and also let you avoid them altogether) instead of tapping "X" seventy times a minute every time a random battle interrupted your exploration.

I can respect it if you simply didn't enjoy the game. However, I think it was a wakeup call to people that the JRPG genre needed a change, and FF12 was a step in the right direction.

PHOSADRA4001d ago

Final Fantasy XII did something that no other final fantasy has been able to make me do....Go look for a fight.
Usually I run or try to avoid petty encounters unless I needed to level up, but I enjoyed the battle system so much, I actually didn't mind getting interrupted during my travels.

I found the battle system to be really fun, and though I didn't really care for the story, I thought the game was what Final Fantasy was supposed to be. Big open world and once you progress far enough, full scale exploration whenever you want.
I mean even some of the smaller areas of the world would swallow the calm lands of FF X, and the environments were more detailed.

The only 2 down sides are the story and unfamiliar battle system. I didn't like the battle at first, but when I picked the game up again, I began to love it.

The gambit system is great, it gives you so much control over your party members, its almost as if you're directly controlling them yourself, I believe its more efficient than the paradigm shifting of FF XIII.

elitemulk4001d ago

awesome game, played it over and over, fantastic battle system, massive depth to the game once you disregarded the story it was amazing.

DA_SHREDDER4001d ago

oh no, i hope all this ff12 talk isn't deliberate.

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Final Fantasy 12 Has The Worst Cid, Says Ben Starr

Clive actor Ben Starr plays kiss, marry, kill with Final Fantasy characters, and decides to off Cid from Final Fantasy 12.

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CrimsonWing694d ago

I’d give it to 8, but whatevs.

mastershredder3d ago (Edited 3d ago )

Ew VO actors and their cringe core. Fiverr voice actors could out perform this chump.

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Final Fantasy XII Is the Perfect Final Fantasy Game to Play After XVI

Final Fantasy XVI makes big changes to the series. It has a new approach to combat and a mature story, that makes XII the perfect game to play after.

Flawlessmic300d ago

It's always a good time to play ff12. But more importantly absolutely everybody that has a ps5 should be playing ff16!!

What a game yoshi p and his team have delivered, we can only hope they have been handed the keys to next main line final fantasy and they can go back to back!!

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GhostScholar298d ago

He turned final fantasy into a 3rd person action game. A good one for sure, but not final
Fantasy.

Flawlessmic298d ago

What is final fantasy?

If your telling me it's turn based/party then people aren't actually final fantasy fans they are mechanic fans of turn based games not final fantasy.

I could point to 20 different reasons why this is a proper final fantasy but going off everyone opinions apparently what makes a final fantasy is the mechanics and nothing else lol.

I guess final fantasy hasn't been final fantasy since X-2.

GhostScholar298d ago

I’m not saying just the turned based aspect makes a game final fantasy or not. It’s not that it’s not turn based only. I don’t like the combat at all in 16. It’s better than 15 for sure, but it just doesn’t feel like a final fantasy game. It reminds me more of the Witcher 3 than final fantasy. The setting, the look of the world. No sci fi aspects.

Flawlessmic298d ago (Edited 298d ago )

i still have to disagree dude, final fantasy games are made up of so much more, they have a certain heart & soul to them that make them easily identifiable and this game has all that heart and soul of a FF game as well ff staples below.

- the music
- chocobos
- moogles
- summons - Super heavy influence
- a grand epic story/ ps. they have done medieveil before like with ff9
- crystals - Super heavy influence
- cid

I mean the fact this game is basically all about crystals and eikons is about as FF as it gets, throw in the rest and i get it being action game may be weird but this is FF game through and through.

in terms of Sci fi, id say your probably still very early on in the game.

This is coming from an old school FF fan.

Terry_B300d ago

I also recommend Devil May Cry 3-5 if you liked FF16 a lot.

MrNinosan298d ago

Played them all, and no... Not at all like FFXVI except parts of the combat

Gardenia298d ago

I don't know if this is serious or sarcasm, but it says a lot of what Final Fantasy has become.

lucian229298d ago

ff12 was the worst ff imo; no character was unique because of the class system, so in cutscenes no character had an assigned weapon; they were all different skins of one another; the game played itself, the main character wasn't the main character and it was just a big eh

Nacho_Z298d ago

I think I preferred 12 to 13 but I agree with your assessment. It was very bland and not much fun to play.

lucian229298d ago

i liked 13 combat wise, and i think story wise, but then i really liked the 2nd game, and lightning returns was....odd but i liked it.

MrNinosan298d ago

Sounds like you were late to FFXII and only played Zodiac edition.

FFXII is a great game, still today, and with Zodiac, it became even better.

lucian229296d ago

nope lol i got ff12 at launch

GhostScholar298d ago

Final fantasy 7 remake is better than 16 in every way

lucian229296d ago

not at all; while i love my ff7, ff16 is epic constantly; no game has epic battles the way this one does

Tapani4d ago

The Zodiac edition was absolutely superb. Top 5 final fantasies, up there with 4, 6, 7 and Tactics.

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MadLad298d ago

Still the last one I really enjoyed.
Series is just all over the place anymore and, while people like the new arpg gameplay, it doesn't do anything for me.

goldwyncq298d ago

The world is the real star of XII. I didn't care about the character nor the story but the worldbuilding was excellent.

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Final Fantasy XII director shoots down 17-year rumor about the game's main character

First, the rumor itself. When Final Fantasy XII originally launched in 2006, plenty of players were left disappointed by protagonist Vaan, who many deemed to be dull and apathetic. From this, a rumor sprang forth than companion Basch was originally meant to be the protagonist of Final Fantasy XII, but was switched out of the role at the last minute.

This rumor has gained traction ever since, to the point where multiple outlets have reported it as fact, and Final Fantasy XII’s Wikipedia page (opens in new tab) even mentions it as part of the game's development. Now though, years after the rumor originated, original Final Fantasy XII director and scenario writer Yasumi Matsuno has stepped in to quash the rumor.

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Hofstaderman364d ago

I'm still convinced Vaan and Penelo were placed in the game as a last minute decision.

-Foxtrot363d ago (Edited 363d ago )

It does feel like that tbh

It's why even though the theory has been shot down I can see why people came up with and believed it.

It makes sense

Vaan was there for the younger audience and to me that seems like a last minute development decision.

gold_drake364d ago (Edited 364d ago )

ok that doesnt change the fact that Vaan is the least intresting and biggest waste of a main character in the franchise.

like Penelo and Vaan are literally just there, to be there. any other character has more purpose haha.

Becuzisaid364d ago

We all know Balthier and Fran were the mains the whole time lol.

FinalFantasyFanatic364d ago

The characters and writing for this game, just wasn't good, I have a hard time believing that there wasn't some major changes at some point (do writers just not leave notes for each other if one of them gets sick or leaves?).

SegaSaturn669363d ago

I enjoy the gameplay a lot but tend to agree, the soundtrack was not memorable to me at all, either. Which is weird because the composer also did FFT which was tremendous.

FinalFantasyFanatic363d ago

I always think of Uematsu when I think of the FF franchise, but most of his music is pretty iconic, unfortunately I didn't get to play FFT (hopefully it ends up with a Steam release in the near future).

RedDevils363d ago

Back then I like the gameplay, but I just don't like the story enough to enjoy it as X.

GoodGuy09363d ago

It was obvious Vaan was of little importance. His brother or Balthier should've been the MC. They've already told us that Vaan was chosen just so the game can appeal to younger audiences. But well that's square for ya, always trying to appeal to the masses rather than just do what they really want to do and favor core fans.

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