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Divnich: PS4 Reveal Had No 'Material Impact' On Microsoft

NowGamer: "Microsoft has finally announced that the next Xbox is coming, but there was a distinct lack of interest from a large portion of our readers - had Sony's PS4 dulled the effect of the next Xbox announcement?

"Sony’s early announcement was a surprise to us all," said EEDAR's Jesse Divnich, "but I doubt it had any material impact on when Microsoft planned to announce their next hardware."

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GalacticEmpire4010d ago (Edited 4010d ago )

The Xbox 3 reveal is suffering from being second to announce, in that people were totally expecting it. Unlike the PS4 reveal announcement which came out of nowhere, I remember people didn't even know if it even would be the PS4, the speculation and hype went through the roof. So, being the second to announce is always going to make less of an impact.

MasterCornholio4010d ago (Edited 4010d ago )

Hey Listen!

I remember that right before the PS4s announcement people who claiming how the PS3 had a lot of life left in it and that we didn´t need a new generation of consoles. All that changed when Sony announced the date of the PS4 event which caused everyone to change their minds.

I wasnt expecting the PS4 to be unveiled so early. I was expecting it to be revealed at e3 with a release at the end of 2014.

@Count

Well it wont affect the hardware or the software for the PS4 at all because its a bit late to change any of that. However some of the features that Microsoft might announce for Live could go into PSN later on in the future. The same could happen with some new features that Sony announces for PSN.

GalacticEmpire4010d ago (Edited 4010d ago )

"All that changed when Sony announced the date of the PS4 event which caused everyone to change their minds."

You're right, the PS4 reveal was so well done that it changed a lot of peoples minds about next gen. They liked what they saw and now they're up for it.

@logic below - Read my comment again, you'll not my use of the words "a lot of peoples minds" as in a lot of people, not all. I would read carefully before criticising someone in the future.

As for explaining...

What difference do the launch dates make? We're talking about the announcements here. It's mostly to do with the element of surprise I guess, MS just don't have that anymore. People have already had a glimpse of next gen, the novelty will be worn thing by the time MS show thier hand.

LOGICWINS4010d ago

"They liked what they saw and now they're up for it"

You don't know what everyones reaction was. Unless your the Messiah and have the ability to be at all places at all times and hear everyones thoughts/feelings.
Some could have been positive, some could have been negative, and others could have been mixed.

Also, could u explain how Microsoft announcing second will have "less of an impact" when BOTH consoles are launching at the SAME time period?

zebramocha4010d ago (Edited 4010d ago )

@logic there is nothing Ms could better other than games to have a better conference than Sony.

@nuke only criticism I've seen is,them not showing what the console looks like.

Before the vita was launched the 3ds had a significant price cut.

LOGICWINS4010d ago

@zebra- I missed the memo that made you the mascot for all gamers in the known universe. I'm assuming your speaking for yourself no?

Muerte24944010d ago (Edited 4010d ago )

I know you're trying to play "the voice of reason" card so your bubbles won't take a hit. But the general consensus from gamers and developers, remains very positive. The only negative attention is coming from xbox fans claiming to be PC gamers. People are going into Micorosoft's meeting with questions that need answers. Those rumors have hurt and need to be addressed.

Will this be Kinect focused? (kinect built in)

Can you assure the gamer that this is about games. (lack of core games at the end of xbox360 life span)

Will you still charge for xbox live to play online? (not being able to use Netflix,Hulu,ect without XBL GOLD)

Will the console be "Always-On"? (require a connection to combat piracy)

I feel that if even one of these aren't answered, then it will be seen as nothing but a failure. Also if they do plan to launch close together, than people are really going to have to choose. It will come down to America, because it's the last stand for the Xbox brand. Sony's dominance in both EU and JPN will guarantee Sony's lead. I feel America will be split. Microsoft doesn't have that year advantage they had last time. People actually have a choice this time around.

Playstation is a very strong brand associated with gaming. Time to draw your lines in the sand fellas. Pick a side.

2nd Lieutenant of Plastation 4 army lol

zebramocha4010d ago

@logic you're being a little up-tight about my comment,because how can Ms improve on social features that Sony showed?apps are most likely going to be even between the both of them,games are the only way Ms can wow people,pricing can be a factor but rumors seem to indicate a similar pricing between the two.

NewMonday4010d ago

@LOGICWINS

MS showing 2nd and revealing a less powerful system(from rumors) will not get people excited. they need to pull some surprises, they know that and I'm sure they will do. I think they will show off some of the big exclusiv games they are saving for E3.

LOGICWINS4010d ago (Edited 4010d ago )

Zebra, u still haven't answered my question. Are you speaking for youself or are you speaking for all gamers? The answer will determine whether or not your worth arguing with.

@Muerte- Yes, being rational human being means I'm playing a "card" lol.

zebramocha4010d ago

@logic I don't know how my comment can be representative of all gamers be they Sony or Ms fans because nothing I wrote suggest I was speaking for everyone,unless your seeing what you want to see,I merely suggested it being difficult for Ms to show anything better other than games,social features apps and connectivity to the console would be similar between them.

NewMonday4010d ago

@Muerte2494
"I feel America will be split. Microsoft doesn't have that year advantage they had last time. People actually have a choice this time around"

true, even if the PS4 gets 40% and Durango gets 60% Sony will be happy because the PS4 will dominate in the rest of the world even more than the PS3 because of a quick launch and good price.

Salooh4010d ago

Disagrees coming from the people who changed their minds lol. Seriously why disagree when this is true ?..

djthechamp244010d ago

The ps3 got no fucking juice left man.

darthv724009d ago

I believe Sony made some comment a while ago that they wouldn't risk launching after Ms so it can be implied they would announce before Ms as well.

Here is the ironic part. The fans will never see the situation as anything other than a good thing. If Ms announced first, Sony fans would say Sony is saving the best for last. Sony announcing first, Sony fans say its getting the jump on Ms. Its a win win in their eyes either way.

Ms fans would feel the same if the situation was reversed. Neutral fans see it as one company announces and then the other has time to revise their announcement but overall it should be another good show.

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nukeitall4010d ago (Edited 4010d ago )

On the contrary, revealing second gives MS a chance to respond to the criticism Sony received and make a bigger impact.

It also let's MS formulate a strategy to combat Sony's presentation.

So there are benefits and cons to both and, in the grand scheme of it all, it is negligible. It is the final execution that matters.

Remember how the PS Vita was praised to high heavens while 3DS lauded as terrible, yet the complete reverse happened in the market.

Nintendo made a mistake, but executed well in the end and saved the 3DS fate while Sony has a bombed product on their hand so far.

That is reality versus fanboy hype. Reality always win!

MonkeyNinja4010d ago

"On the contrary, revealing second gives MS a chance to respond to the criticism Sony received and make a bigger impact."

What criticism?

Adva4010d ago

Of not showing the box? really? E3 is right around the corner.

GalacticEmpire4010d ago

You're right, of course that only holds true if MS manage to follow through and totally top the PS4 announcement, which is hard to believe for many atm.

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Urusernamesucks4010d ago

"The Xbox 3 reveal is suffering from being second to announce, in that people were totally expecting it."

not according to game stop surveys, no one outside the internet world is aware of the next box reveal, regardless of people like you and me who are expecting it, there are more of them than there are of us.

i remember when an amount of people on my school were getting hyped about the ps4...that was 3 months ago, that hype is pretty much gone. All Sony has left to fuel that hype is the showing the console itself.

Ms in the other hand has A TON OF CONTENT to reveal at e3 and probably will try not to keep people waiting and release the console asap.Because if you think about it there is nothing holding them back to the previous gen, no new game releases or nothing.

Sony did the mistake of realeasing two new exclusives this year ;TLOU and BTS which need breathing space to sell well, and releasing the ps4 as soon as them would make them suffer.

NobleTeam3604009d ago

How are they not aware? Their is a big ass add on the front of the Xbox dashboard and on the Xbox.com website and social media websites like facebook and twitter? Who isn't aware exactly?

Urusernamesucks4009d ago

Oh gee i.dont know maybe people Who dont turn on theyr consoles that often, theres alot of.people with.lives out there you know people who tend to loose theyr interest.

Bigpappy4010d ago

The Xbox next event, will be just as well attended as the PS4 event, if not even more so. I think the PS4 supporters have succeeded in drawing lots of attention to the Xbox, due to the constants search for negative rumors and at times treating them as facts.

What all of this has done, is peaked a lot of interest as to whether the rumors will be proven true or false. It has only really succeeded in lowering expectations for the Xbox. So if M$ shows an evenly capable and supported console, it could low enthusiasm that was bit among many who thought PS4 was the greatest console ever. If the rumor prove true, some of it could hurt M$ if they don't show some ground breaking games and features Sony doesn't and can provide.

8 GIG of GDDR5 RAM sound really good, but it is really no better than DDR3 if the Graphics chips do not push the bandwidth. If Xbox next has a better Video chip and regular DDR3 RAM, it will out perform the PS4. So people really needed to calm down and wait and see what M$ reveals and not take the rumors as seriously as they did. M$ could fail to deliver, but trying to hard to predict that is careless at best.

showtimefolks4010d ago

Dear MS i would like to believe that but no y'all did have to scramble at the last moment to get it together since sony for the 1st time in a long time had a very smooth launch announcement

now there is big expections on May 21st make a great 1st impression like sony please, we need the old MS like the one in 2005 that cared about core gamers and were serious about competition

talk about the specs in detail
don't talk too much about kinect
show games
than out to rest the rumors of always online
show more games
talk about xblive reward program something like PSN:plus
and end it by showing more games

JeffGUNZ4009d ago

Scramble? Sony announced their PS4 on 2/20/12. It'll be 3 months after that date when MS announces theirs. That's not really scrambling. You'd have a point if this happened a few weeks after and they threw together a half-hazzard show, but it appears that this is going to be a huge event. being televised and what not. Those types of deals take time to establish. This was MS agenda the entire time as far as we know. I do agree the reveal needs to give a taste of hardcore games. I want to see one new IP for the reveal and several more for E3.

hiredhelp4009d ago

Firstly MS never gonna admit if they concerned about ps4.
Secondly doesn't matter if MS does have better system or the same for me it's about the games.
Sony has no Red tape to cut threw no classes no BS.
Sony will in courage innovation and support any of there studios and buy into new studios dev's when they see talent. Something MS skimps on.
Sony started off slow but look at them now huge fan base huge library games to boot.
There only other fault witch MS does well is advertisement but let's face it good games sell themselves however long takes.
Next gen has already been WON.

JeffGUNZ4009d ago

Come on. Good games sell themselves? No they don't. Advertising does. Look at the sales for Halo then compare them to Killzone. Look at the sales of Gears and compare them to Uncharted. Even away from numbers, look at it this way. Ask a random person who "Nate" is in the gaming world and see their response. Now ask that same person who "Master chief" is and see their response. Advertising moves merchandise, it's simple. You can't think in terms of you and I, as we follow gaming closely, so we know what games are coming. We are not the average markup of the gaming community, a lot of people have no idea about games like heavy rain. Sony needs to step it up with advertising and they will sell more games. Their games are great, so it would only benefit them.

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GodsPerfectK7ng4010d ago (Edited 4010d ago )

it could go either way bro!!!

yesmynameissumo4010d ago

As the Xbox reveal will have no impact on Sony.

yesmynameissumo4010d ago (Edited 4010d ago )

It's not a defense. It's a reality. If you think either company is sitting biting their nails over what the other is doing, you're either : a child or a fanboy whose personified Microsoft and Sony.

EDIT: I saw a comment that holds true from both sides of the fence...and responded (without saying "Sony doesn't care").

"See something you don't like, react in a way that makes you feel better about the situation."

That's in regards to your comment, right? Never mind. It has to be.

Count4010d ago (Edited 4010d ago )

It just seemed like a defensive response to me. See something you don't like, react in a way that makes you feel better about the situation.

In this case, saying Sony won't care either.

EDIT: Sure. Don't refute it, just spin it back at me. Whether or not you think I am projecting here doesn't change the reality. If you accept that this affects me, then how could you possibly think it hadn't affected you?

You're the one that reacted on a larger case by case basis.

It was pathetically obvious it would have no material impact on Microsoft. And it's pathetically obvious it won't have any material impact on Sony too. I never said you were wrong. I just said it seemed defensive to me.

Dee_914010d ago

actually you put sarcasm after "nice defense" implying its a bad defense not just a defensive comment like your claiming you meant..People use sarcasm so out of term on this site..
if its "pathetically obvious" that what yesmynameissumo said is true then its not being defensive its stating the reality of the situation.Point being your wrong :)

kenshiro1004010d ago

How is his comment a defense? Why should Sony be scared? Why should Microsoft be scared? They're competing for our wallets/and/or purses.

In the end gamers win. I have no problem with that.

joeorc4009d ago

exactly, it come's down to support for your platform you are releasing. Content is King, it really does not matter in the grand scheme who release when or at what time, other than can the company support the new platform with content over time that i will enjoy as a consumer of the product they release, and if Im happy at the software and service's they provide me.

And Since from my own experience none of the big three have let me down in the past, all three of the companies . Nintendo Microsoft and Sony have all provided me with good Software and services.

do I have a preference among the three, sure every Gamer has preference's to the type's of Game's they play. but it's not like there is no content from all three platform's that i cannot find enjoyment from.

All three has Software that i like, and sofar plenty of it.

so releasing later after another platform releases is of no real bother to me or my family because we end up getting it later anyway.

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FrigidDARKNESS4010d ago (Edited 4010d ago )

The ps4 material was bland with games looking marginally better than the ps3. There is a reason why MS kept their cool and didn't panic to show there product.
@below you still going by those leaked specs from VGLeaks from a very early Durango dev kit. Since then VGleaks have updated the Durango specs.....dogs will hunt.

majiebeast4010d ago (Edited 4010d ago )

Microsoft is king of bland looking games so dont expect much, except for Pizzahut app 2.0 and another Halo!

Lol Infamous second son and KZ:SF look more then marginally better. The physics of Knack are a big step up from this gen on consoles.

You really think MS will do better with what is rumoured be a pretty big stepdown from the PS4 in terms of specs? You are dreaming.

Jek_Porkins4010d ago

Funny you bust out "another Halo", then mention another Infamous and Killzone game as counterpoints.

Anzil4010d ago

theres only been 2 infamous games and 3 killzones! halo is on its sixth game in the series!but i love halo lol

Root4010d ago

@Jek_Porkins

Hmmmm

The third inFAMOUS game and 4th main Killzone game

vs

The 7th....no it will be the 8th Halo game when Halo 5 comes out. We've had two Killzone games this gen while Halo has had 5.

Come on man...do the math

It's not like Sony relies on Killzone like MS do with Halo, least Sony has other types of games they put out alongside FPS like Killzone

Why o why4010d ago

New ips dude. People like them as much as they like old ips. Hint is the balance some gamers get over others.

We all know sony will bring new ips to the ps4 alongside its current ones. Just look at this year alone... 2 new full price ips and a couple psn ones...balance mate, not an over reliance on old ips alone

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GraveLord4010d ago

So you really think the XBox 720 specs are actually more powerful than the PS4? LMFAO.

PS4 reveal obviously has an impact on Microsoft as they've been forced to reveal before E3. They wanted to reveal this April but they wanted to show the console box to avoid the same complaints as the PS4.

LOGICWINS4010d ago

"So you really think the XBox 720 specs are actua more powerful than the PS4? LMFAO."

U have any insider info that indicates otherwise?

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Xbox's Preservation Step Sets A Much-Needed Example, Especially For Nintendo

Hanzla from eXputer inquires: "If Xbox can care about preserving its games and legacy, what exactly is wrong with Nintendo, trying to kill game preservation single-handedly?"

purple1015d ago

Ahh yes the good old game preservation of saving all your games to a removable hhd on the Xbox 360, taking it round your mates house, setting up multiple tvs to
Be met with “save data corrupted, please re download”

Or how about removing 360 games
From the store
, download them now or else, and, better hope to god that save data doesn’t corrupt, or it’s lost for ever

Nice one ☝️

Zeref4d ago

It's better than what Nintendo and Playstation is doing. It might not be perfect but at least they are TRYING. Unlike the others.

DarXyde4d ago

Trying? Take off the blinders for a moment, mate.

1. A failure to preserve games is just that: a failure to preserve games. Don't try to sugarcoat it: NO ONE is doing it properly. Better than awful is nothing to write home about.

2. At the time of this comment, isn't it the case that you need an internet connection to play Xbox games even if you buy physical discs that are hardly in circulation anymore? I don't have a Series X and I can't verify, but I think that is correct. I'm fairly certain you can at least play PS5 games at version 1.0 (not much of a win really when many games require day one patches). I think Microsoft's all digital, licensing approach is by far more aggressive than anyone else's. They really try to push you to game pass where you lose your entire library by umm.... Skipping a month of payments.

I don't think anyone is doing it right whatsoever. Don't get me started on Nintendo, who goes after anyone looking to preserve their games better than they ever would with extreme litigation.

Don't be a simp for any of these companies. Get it together.

PhillyDonJawn4d ago (Edited 4d ago )

@DarX never speak on Xbox again. You lost all credibility with your internet connection comment. Smh you have 0 clue and misinformed yet speaking on something you don't no squat about.

Einhander19724d ago

What has Sony done exactly? You guys keep deflecting to Sony but I am not actually seeing any results, and ai am certain nothing that you can come up with even comes close to what Microsoft has done and what they have tried and failed to do, like tie all your disks to your account on xbone.

Microsoft removed their whole indie section when they moved to the xbone because they were going to only allow games on the service that came from a publisher, id@xbox started after xbone launched and it only exists because Sony embraced indie and Microsoft was forced to cancel their plans and reverse course.

And every single game that was part of games for windows live including disk games (I have gta 4 on disk that won't work) so hundreds of games that use that DRM no longer work unless the company themselves patched it out which of course very few did.

MrBaskerville4d ago

Not trying. Tried. they killed of the backcomp program years ago. They set something up again, but sounds like it's more of an attempt to save the current library on whatever they are planning next. With luck they save everything and more, but let's see. I could see them killing off parts of the OG xbox and 360 libraries. Can't imagine that they would allow us to play Forza 5-7 in the future.

With that said, I do like what they've done and really wish they could have done more.

shinoff21834d ago

Zeref

So killing off physical media is trying what exactly. Ms don't really give a fk if you think they do your kidding yourself.

Profchaos4d ago

They are not trying this team is established for forward compatability the team is. It interested in preserving Xbox or 360 games.

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isarai5d ago

Is that why Hellblade 2 is digital only?

Zeref4d ago

Just because it's digital only doesn't mean you can't preserve it. Just put it on an external and you have the exact same functionality of what a disc does.

MrNinosan4d ago

Guess you're trolling, but if you actually think that's how it works, I'd recommend buying some braincells.

mkis0073d ago (Edited 3d ago )

Volitile vs nonvolitile data. A disc will not corrupt either. A drive can be corrupted.

Einhander19725d ago

This is just a scammy PR move to distract from the fact they are going digital only and trying to push streaming and subscriptions only.

No gaming company has pushed harder to remove ownership than Microsoft.

Without discs there is no preservation, preservation can't be done by the rights holders it can only be done by the consumers, anything else is a lie.

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Einhander19724d ago

Anyone remember xblig which Microsoft removed their whole 360 indie section removing hundreds of games from people?

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Zeref4d ago

Do you know you can put your games on an external and preserve them that way? There are no benefits to discs. ZERO. Idk why some of you are still obsessed with them.

DarXyde4d ago

Because games like Persona 5 exist. It's STILL V1.00. On Playstation, that's a win because 1.00 is installed on the disc—no need to download anything.

If a game does not require any updates, it's all on the disc.

Extremely low bar in the modern era, of course. It's not much of a win by any stretch.

But for now, physical media does have a purpose, at least on Playstation.

Einhander19724d ago

That is factually not how game licensing works, try plugging your hard drive into someone else xbox, It's not going to work, and it won't work if the licensing servers ever go down.

Einhander19724d ago

Anyone remember games for windows live.

I have around a dozen games, some on Steam itself that will not work because Microsoft shut off the licensing servers.

BehindTheRows4d ago (Edited 4d ago )

I do. I STILL have games (Gears of War being the big one) I cannot access because Games for Windows LIVE is total garbage and no one has held Microsoft accountable.

Zeref4d ago (Edited 4d ago )

You don't have an Xbox apparently. Because you can 100 percent plug in your external and play games from it on any Xbox console lol. You just have to be logged in to prove ownership.

Chevalier4d ago

"You don't have an Xbox apparently. Because you can 100 percent plug in your external and play games from it on any Xbox console lol. You just have to be logged in to prove ownership."

Damn how many times do people got to explain your idiocy to you? You can take a copy of Persona 5 like someone used as an example and play that game on ANY console WITHOUT logging in which means I can lend the game to a friend without internet and they can play my game. Can you lend your hard drive to anyone without logging in for them to play? NOPE. That is a huge difference and if you think otherwise then sorry you're an idiot.

Tacoboto4d ago

"No gaming company has pushed harder to remove ownership than Microsoft."

Ubisoft is literally erasing games people bought from their libraries... My PS1-3 discs are useless on modern hardware. Nintendo's re-published and resold almost their entire Wii U library, and the eShop is completely dead with no BC mechanism in the Switch software. Microsoft publishes everything they make today day one on Steam and Xbox/Windows. Sony only brings to PC the titles they think you might want some years later and Nintendo won't even design a functional long-lasting joystick.

You're absolutely trolling and not serious if you think Microsoft today is the worst offender.

shinoff21834d ago

Yay steam

Not everyone fks with computers though. The disc is still the best way as a console player. Period.

Tacoboto4d ago

How do Sony and Nintendo feel about these discs from 2001-2013?

Don't be stupid, you know Xbox is the best at this today.

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Hofstaderman4d ago

Nobody wants this. Sales or the lack of it in the case of XBOX is very telling. I wonder how the adorably all digital series X will fare. Adorably dismal perhaps?

crazyCoconuts4d ago

Only time will tell, but for from someone like me suspecting that Xbox is trying to gracefully exit the console market, that "forward compatibility" team is trying to get Xbox games playing on Windows PCs. I mean, it's nice that they're not planning on exiting with a "enjoy your games while the hardware still works" message, so that's nice. They still have a brand to protect via Microsoft so probably feel obligated to have a better exit strategy.

Xeofate4d ago (Edited 4d ago )

That is not their plan, their plan is to transfer users accounts to the cloud.

Phil Spencer himself said as much a few months back, plans could have changed but I think people are reading way too much into one statement where Phil said he would allow Epic on xbox because he wants to be able to sell xbox games directly on other platforms. Aka, instead of selling Sea of Thives through PSN he wants to have an xbox store to sell his games on PlayStation without giving PlayStation any money.

Again, it's extremely unlikely that Phil plans to put PC on xbox and licensing would prevent them from just giving out other publishers games purchased on xbox copies of thier games on PC, Microsoft does not own their games.

crazyCoconuts3d ago

The thing that doesn't align with the cloud strategy is the giving up on exclusives. You'd still need strong exclusives for cloud streaming - it's still a "platform" , just with a lower upfront hardware investment. I feel like they've learned what PS learned with PSNow long ago. We're not ready to stream games and it's only gonna lose them money to try at this point

FinalFantasyFanatic3d ago

I would love that, I'd buy up some of the Xbox games if they could run on PC, like the Rare Replay, Lost Odyssey and Dead or Alive Ultimate, probably a pipe dream though.

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Sony Taps Bungie's Head of Revenue to Lead Live-Service Games

Sony has recruited Bungie's head of revenue Jaremy Rich to head up its live-service gaming division, Rich has announced on social media.

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ChasterMies14d ago

Please do not put Destiny’s monetization into Sony’s first party games. The monetization is what’s driving players away from Destiny.

just_looken14d ago

The new temp boss is the sony cfo bean counter so i can see this being a thing get every penny.

Cacabunga14d ago

PlayStation officially losing it.. fans will never support gaas games

just_looken14d ago

@car

The new boss did a interview in japan he wants to tap into the mobile market like nintendio so he give 0 fucks about gamers/fans

https://www.pushsquare.com/...

Redemption-6414d ago

@Cacabunga
You only speak for you and those who think like you, but most fans will support what they want. Playstation and PC fans are literally supporting Helldivers 2 and that is a gaas. Maybe you wouldn't, but many more would if they like it.

Huey_My_D_Long14d ago

@Redemption-64
Look, Im not making any judgement calls about this guy, but I will say that Helldivers 2 GaaS model is unique to Helldivers, and legit the only other game I can think of thats similiar was the Avengers game except HD2 pass is still better.
The fact that you can earn in game currency in a way that doesnt make you feel like you have to grind forever, as well you being able work on that pass that you bought...on your own time without a time limit...that right there is fucking huge to me, and I can't name any game other than avengers that avoided trapping players with FOMO logic...I think GaaS on HD2 shouldn't be compared to the rest of the industry...it should be copied.

Einhander197213d ago

Cacabunga

Helldivers 2...

Redemption-64

In Europe it's a 60 40 split favoring PC.
In the US its a 60 40 split favoring PS5.

So PlayStation owners supported the game just fine, it's not getting carried by PC or anything like that.

FinalFantasyFanatic13d ago

@just_looken,
I'm perfectly fine with the way Nintendo entered the mobile market, I never touched their mobile games, meanwhile, the console/handheld stayed the way it is. As for being a bean counter, he's probably going to reel in these massive budgets that Sony's studios have had lately, I haven't played Spiderman 2, but I cannot see how they almost tripled the budget for that game.

@Redemption-64,
That's an exception to the rule, I'm expecting a lot of these GAAS games from Sony to fail, to be fair, they only need a few to succeed, but I would have preferred that they put more of their resources into other types of games.

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DivineHand12514d ago

True their monetization is driving players away and at the same time, their decision to chop out content and convoluted systems is keeping new players away from the game.

Joe91314d ago

I don't think that will happen based on how things worked out at Naughty Dog now that we know what we do, seems they had the option to fully commit to live service games or stay making single player experences so they gave up on their live service game. We are not sure how things came about with Bend making a live service game but I hope that was not a forced situation. Sony doesnt seem like they are forcing studios to switch up but we will see, Sony's bread and butter is single player games it is how they dominated the console market.

Obscure_Observer14d ago

Yeah, I though Sony learned something from all their failures in the LS segment under Bungie´s disastrous leadership and supervision which led to games been cancelled, studios closed and all the people laid off.

Looks like Bungie still plays a major role in Sony´s LS initiative and Sony is not backtracking on their GaaS plans.

S2Killinit14d ago (Edited 14d ago )

Are we forgetting that Destiny is also a highly successful franchise? I feel like that definitely deserves mention here.

Besides, there is no reason why a person cant learn from past experiences.

Joe91313d ago

I agree, people act as if Destiny flopped when it came out lol it took 9 to 10 years for the numbers to fall yet people are still playing it add the success of Helldivers 2 no wonder Sony is going forward down this path.

S2Killinit13d ago

Personally, I see no problem with Sony also having service games as long as they make good ones, and more importantly they deliver the AAA story driven games that they are known for. So yeah, I agree 100% with you.

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Christopher14d ago

I mean, this person made some pretty bad decisions at Bungie. I hope they've learned from them because I definitely don't see those type of ideas as good for PlaySation in general.

CrimsonWing6913d ago (Edited 13d ago )

Honestly, what’s to learn from? How to make people happily continuously dump money into a single game over its life-time? Buy season passes continuously for several years with a smile on our faces?

GaaS is a design decision that is everything wrong with this industry. The fact that Helldivers 2 did so well and people defend the monetization because it was $40 and is a fun game, scares the sh*t out of me to see that the door is open and all shift will probably be to replicate that in future games. We already know the ROI for traditional game dev cost isn’t doing it for them.

I thought with Jimbo leaving we’d see a change for the better… I’m not so sure now.

S2Killinit13d ago

Service games are being offered by everyone. Sony cannot afford to only create single player AAA games. No one can. They already said they will be doing both.

Abnor_Mal14d ago (Edited 14d ago )

Ps5 gamers in 2023 seemed to play more live service types of games, so regardless to how people feel about them, numbers don’t lie and Sony is going where the money is. I mean look at the excitement around Helldivers2, people are showing that they want live service games.

Christopher14d ago

They play long-time existing live service games like CoD, Fortnite, Apex Legends, Destiny 2, and the like. Mass majority of new live service games are considered failures and aren't moving gamers away from older games.

just_looken14d ago

Yep the huge issue with live service is they need paid players along with a reason to play them.

You forgot mobile market that also taps into that player base as well as the eve online style games there is only a certain amount of krakens/whales blind supporters compared to the amount of live service games we have its not sustainable math wise.

700 restaurants making food for every seat for 1000-3000 eaters just does not work out

Einhander197213d ago (Edited 13d ago )

Christopher

I am not a big live service fan and literally own zero of the games you listed, but that is not true, unless you call games that aren't the top games to be failures.

There are tons of live service games that are profitable.

Games don't have to be the biggest game ever they just need to make more than they cost.

I challenge you to show professionally prepared data that shows that more live service games fail than make enough to keep going.

Because all the data that I have seen shows that live service is less of a gamble than making a big AAA budget game which needs to survive off retail sales.

FinalFantasyFanatic13d ago

I sometimes wonder if we're at saturation point, where it's hard for a new game to join those ranks unless it's particularly exceptional, people only have so much time and money to devote to these types of games.

romulus2314d ago

Correction, they have no issue playing good live service games

shinoff218314d ago

Lol it's not even a quarter of the ps5s sold. Helldivers may have been a hit but let's not say most are enjoying it because truth is most(the real most ) don't care about it.

S2Killinit13d ago (Edited 13d ago )

I play what is fun. If a live service game is good I’ll play it as long as its not a money scheme which Helldivers is not.

And Im a single player gamer.

mastershredder14d ago

How do you kill a franchise that already been killed?
Destiny’s grind, cash-in-on-playbass-cha-Ching, and pop-culture-insertion mainstream-me-too bs totally killed any rep Bungie had. Sony/Bungie, if you are doing this to ward-off players, it’s already working.

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Could Xbox Soon Become The Next Dreamcast?

Microsoft's future in the video game space is murky right now, so let's break it all down.

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ApocalypseShadow17d ago (Edited 17d ago )

Not anytime soon. But they're on that path.

One thing not mentioned in the article is Microsoft's money bags. If Sega had Microsoft's money, they would have still been around as a hardware manufacturer. Xbox as a platform only survives because of the money bags. They can continue making consoles for the core and port to PC.

The multiplatform strategy is only the result of arrogance and misguided leadership that blew up in their face. They thought gamers would jump on Xbox in droves if they knew that many of their favorite games would be only on Xbox. But that's not happening at all. Sales didn't increase. They decreased. Why? Because the dumb asses thought giving away these expensively made games in a cheap service would also turn the tide.

Gamers on other platforms are willing to buy quality. They don't need to be handed nearly free games in a service that aren't even finished and sometimes average in their development. Gamers buy Nintendo games. They buy Sony games. Microsoft groomed their base to not buy games. Even the quality ones. It has always been their plan to go digital. But most gamers still like single player gaming. Still like physical releases.

Microsoft's problem has always been that they don't produce high quality games at the same output as Nintendo and Sony. Actually, they should be producing quite a lot more because they're worth over 2 TRILLION. How they don't have more is ridiculous and no excuse. Buying publishers to take away from competition only backfired. Because it still takes millions of dollars to continue to make those games from the publishers they snatched. Their only choice was to crawl back to their competitors to help sustain those developers because Nintendo and Sony platforms were the ones buying games.

Am I sorry for Microsoft? Hell no! They deserved last place for putting in the least effort. They deserved the fallout for buying up the industry and didn't make a single blip on the radar against their competitors where they now need those same gamers they took away games from to support them. Part of it may have been to cash in on their competition. But the result is the slow death of their platform. They may go 3rd party. They may keep making hardware. I don't give a shit about them to worry about it. I only give a shit about the destructive nature of their industry moves that only negatively affect gamers. They could sell and drop out of the industry and I wouldn't blink. Probably laugh. But not blink. They deserve whatever comes to them. At least Sega put in the effort when it came to games. They just had poor leadership. Microsoft has poor leadership and barely makes memorable games. That's a killer combination. And not in a good way.

Cacabunga17d ago

That would be an insult to Dreamcast.. it had a crazy line up of legendary critically acclaimed games.

Crows9016d ago

I was thinking the same. Dreamcast had incredible games in such a short amount of time. It was truly exceptional.

darthv7216d ago

...and yet all those great games were not enough to sway people from the looming release of the PS2 at the time. Sony just has that kind of brand loyalty.

Cacabunga16d ago

Darth

I do not agree.. Sony had even better games thanks to an unprecedented 3rd party support..
DC had amazing lineup but 90% were arcade games..

88316d ago

@darth:
And Sony showed off "The Emotion Engine" and their real time demos that made everyone think they would miss out on REAL next gen 128bit magic if they jumped in before PS2s polygon pushing monster (and early lack of anti-aliasing with a healthy heap of shimmer + DVD playback) stepped up. PS2 was a fantastic system though with amazing games.

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blacktiger16d ago

That's not true. Just because Microsoft has the money doesn't mean Microsoft can allow xbox to bleed entire Microsoft money. It doesn't work like they. Also SEC will be watching and investor won't allow it. Lot of reasons why Microsoft can not continue even if they wanted to. SEC regulations is expensive.

fr0sty16d ago (Edited 16d ago )

Exactly this... Microsoft is a publicly traded company, mostly owned by their shareholders (Approximately 59.24% of the company's stock is owned by Institutional Investors, 7.73% is owned by Insiders and 33.03% is owned by Public Companies and Individual Investors.). Their shareholders call the shots on the business decisions, and their shareholders want one thing and one thing only, for their stock price to go up. Losses do not make stock prices go up... so if the division continually posts losses on hardware, but shows profits on software and services (which has been the case with Xbox its entire lifespan, for over 20 years now), the shareholders are going to grow impatient and demand they stop making hardware and focus on the only thing that has ever made them money, software and services.

When Microsoft bought Blizzard and Activision for almost 100 billion, I knew that was the nail in the coffin for Xbox as a console... as the shareholders were going to expect a quick return on that investment, and when it didn't materialize, they were going to be out for blood... out to force Xbox to sell those games on as many consoles as possible, "and while you're at it, sell those first party exclusives that aren't selling well on other consoles as well... hell, just stop making consoles and sell games."

If there is another Xbox console generation, it will definitely be the last, but I doubt there even will be one at this point. I think the Xbox division planning on it just in case, but I don't think the project has been greenlit from Microsoft itself. The rumors that they have not yet even secured the chips needed from the chip fabrication facilities ties into this.

shinoff218316d ago

While I usually agree with you . Alot of what was said can just also be asked before any of that.

How long will the shareholders wait? It doesn't appear long at all

Babadook716d ago

I think I get your point. Like just because MS has money does not mean they are content to throw it away on a dying ecosystem. Xbox has to be profitable or “what’s the point?”

ifinitygamer16d ago

Money bags, yes, but are we ignoring that Xbox actually makes a profit on games and GamePass? Hardware is often a loss leader, and they're probably making profit 4 years into the life cycle, but games and services revenue have been very profitable while other parts of Microsoft's business is struggling. Say what you will about the quality of those games, of course, but this is kind of a reverse Dreamcast situation, where the console was dragging down the company and put it at risk of shuttering entirely. Killing that console saved the business and allowed it to continue to make games on multiple platforms. In this case, the service is very profitable, as are the games, and they're also double-dipping into Multiplatform to extend this further, while their hardware is just sort of what they believe to be the best for gamers and their own titles (whether that is the case or not...)

fr0sty16d ago (Edited 16d ago )

The issue is, they aren't selling enough hardware to make their exclusives profitable, and now that they've bought half the gaming publisher/dev industry, they have no choice but to go third party to make a profit... and that is making their shareholders take a real close look at their hardware division under the microscope... why keep making the hardware if the software is all that is making them money, and they continually, generation after generation come in dead last with hardware sales?

Look at a game like Spiderman 2... if it had been an Xbox exclusive, with the amount it cost to develop, it would have been a huge failure... simply not enough consoles out there to sell it on. They would have been lucky to break even.

ifinitygamer16d ago

@fr0sty agreed completely, which is why they're hedging by releasing other games to multiplatform, plus they have PC to make up for the difference in a lot of ways, which is why their games are not complete money pits. It brings up the question of whether or not those exclusives would drive sales of consoles, though. Let's say Spiderman 2 was an Xbox exclusive, it would certainly have pushed console sales, though who's to say how much is anyone's guess.

fr0sty16d ago

That's why you can't rely on just one exclusive, Sony has always delivered on a wide range of solid exclusives, even this generation (even if they haven't been strong on the first party exclusives, they've made up for it with third party). They don't rely on just one "system seller", they have a portfolio of them.

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JBlaze22616d ago

ApocalypseShadow To be honest Sony has more of a chance to go 3rd party because like you said Microsoft has money, Sony does not. Sony does not have games, Only games they have come from 3rd party. Sony has been losing money for years and you. Saying Microsoft has been putting the least effort just proves you have no idea what's been going on. All Sony has done is repeat and recycle, never innovating or doing something new. All Sony has is brand loyalty nothing else and it shows.

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LG_Fox_Brazil17d ago

Not sure about that. It's been two decades and I still think about Power Stone, Shenmue, Crazy Taxi, Jet Set Radio, Seaman and others, but I'm not sure I'll remember Xbox Series X/S games in a few years from now... Maybe I'll remember about the franchises that the Xbox brand spawned, but I don't believe that the Xbox Series lives up to the late Dreamcast or even to the Xbox name itself. I do have great memories about the 360 with Blue Dragon, Gears 2 and Lost Odyssey though

isarai17d ago

Nah, sega actually makes good games

Becuzisaid17d ago

No, Dreamcast was ahead of it's time and most still have very fond memories of it that had one. It also had some good games on it even in it's short lifespan. Xbox has none of these qualities.

Profchaos17d ago

I remember it coming out at the time in a really bad place they hit the market before the PS2 but it was during this transitional time when Sony was promoting the power of the PS2 and so many of the Dreamcast games were awesome but often third parties simply ported the PS1 version increased resolution and performance but rarely fully utilise the capabilities of the console.

I think in the end bad marketing done it in and like the GameCube so many people are fond of it now but at the time it was looked at in the lense of the day and it didn't stack up.

Personally I miss Sega in hardware they took risks that many companies won't

Becuzisaid17d ago

I never owned it, and got the PS2 right when it launched. But there were certain games it had that I was always jealous of that I didn't have access to - Sonic adventure, crazy taxi, power Stone, code Veronica, shenmue, skies of Arcadia. I always thought it was a really cool machine though. I've never heard a bad thing about it though from those that had it.

FinalFantasyFanatic16d ago

I only ever saw one Dreamcast, and that was one my friend owned, pity I never got to play it, I wonder what games he had for it?

It would be nice if some of those games got ported to modern systems.

Profchaos16d ago

Oh man sonic adventure on the Dreamcast made me so jealous as a huge sonic fan on the mega drive who also moved to PlayStation 2 I never got the chance to play it back in the day either. The Dreamcast in Australia where I am was always relegated to the smallest corner of EB Games it was kind of a strong first indicator that things were not going well at the time.

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