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Sony’s begins turnaround plan and doubles annual net profit forecast to $403 million

It’s reported today that Sony doubled its annual net profit forecast for the past fiscal year.

Snookies124009d ago

Oh, very optimistic, that's good for them. Glad to see Sony getting back on the right track. I want to see Sony, Nintendo, and Microsoft still making consoles a generation or two down the line. Gaming just wouldn't quite be the same if one of them dropped out.

jcnba284009d ago (Edited 4009d ago )

Not really. Sony have been selling off their assets (buildings in America and Japan worth over $5 billion, closing down studios as well as selling off shares in the stock market) just to record a profit this year. If anything we should be worried about sony. Vita is already in a bad position and if the PS4 doesn't sell sony could be in big trouble.

For the people down voting me here is the proof:

http://www.electronista.com...

http://news.cnet.com/8301-1...

http://www.vgchartz.com/art...

http://www.bloomberg.com/ne...

Silly gameAr4009d ago (Edited 4009d ago )

According to a lot of financial analysts on gaming sites, Sony has been in big trouble for years, even when they do well.

jukins4009d ago

yea because no business ever does that when its doing a "turnaround plan". If you werent so cynical and take into account sony beyond just playstation you would see sony is actually making worthwhile products its latest tablet is among the best out there and its new line of xperia phones are also highly rated not to mention some big things they're doing in the medical imaging field. Regardless this is a good thing for the electronics industry currently dominated by apple and samsung.

Adva4009d ago

The things they have been selling off were simply adding expenses they did not need.
Only 1 or 2 big studios were closed and most people were shifted to other studios.

mcstorm4009d ago

This is true but when things are going on a slide you need to do things like to that to make the books right again.

Nokia are in the middle of doing this with there business.

Sony are also in the middle of changing there image and product line and I think over the next 5 years Sony will start to make a lot of money again.

Ive always been a fan of there TV's and was a big fan of there phones back in the day of there cybershot phones.

Looking at the new Sony Products they are getting back to what they were 10 years or so ago. I really like my PSV but it really needs some more big names for it to stand out against the 3DS and the PS4 is looking a lot better than the PS3 which for me was a disappointment.

Sony have really started to hear what people want and expect from a Sony product and looking at the hardware that's coming up form them it is the start of giving us what we have been asking for.

LightofDarkness4009d ago (Edited 4009d ago )

The PS4 is boasting extremely healthy pre-orders at the moment, and is generating quite a buzz. It will sell, and it will likely sell faster at launch than the PS3 did.

Selling off their over-bloated assets isn't something to be worried about, it's actually a sign of smart asset management and instills confidence in investors and shareholders that they're committed to turning their fortunes around and "trimming the fat". Sony's attitude has been realistic and humble since the PS4 announcement, with a renewed vigor and focus that the company seemed to have lost for some time.

Sony are actually in a very good position right now, as they're about to turn their fortunes around to some degree. They may never reach the lofty heights they previously held, but they will certainly get a lot closer than they are now in the coming years.

joeorc4009d ago (Edited 4009d ago )

Look no one can say that Sony has not had some big trouble in the area of finance. but to say that you need to be worried about the viability of the company as a whole is kinda very short sighted, when the people in charge have started changing the structure of the entire company as a whole and the benefit's are all ready being seen. selling off building's and stock is not the sign that there is nothing Sony can do about the situation.

for example Sony TV section has lost money for 9 year's straight. we are talking Billion's, Sony's playstation 3 Lost Sony about a lil over 5 billion, not all the profit's that Sony has gained from the playstation Biz, but 5 billion worth is no Joke. but on the same token since it's inception the playstation biz has generated over 50 billion in revenue. Sony's TV part of their Biz is now no longer a pillar of the company going forward. but do you know what is ?

Playstation! and as a section of the company it's at PROFIT!

SONY HAS OVER 160,000 people that they employ, with more company asset's than even Microsoft, what's killing the profit's is the over head and the market competition on low pricing and the commodity pricing of electronics by companies such as Samsung AND Companies out of china in the TV industry, Sony''s now had 0ver 9 straight year's of loss'es do you really think that Sony's not going to cut production or people that work in that section further, now that TV's are no longer pillar and cut out playstation?

when Playstation is generating Profit's? and TV's are not?

SilentNegotiator4009d ago (Edited 4009d ago )

Stop using Sony selling their buildings as a negative, you troll. It's an ongoing trend for companies to sell buildings and lease them. It makes their assets more liquid. They never have to worry about getting stuck with a building (and thus taxes) if they decide to move their operations around.

That's how turnaround plans work; you get rid of bad, immovable expenses.

And newsflash! Stocks are an investment! Selling shares is not a weakness.

grimmweisse4009d ago

I think everyone knows Sony was in trouble and still in murky water, that is WHY they sold what they needed to turn the company around, and it seems to be paying off.

Selling off their New York Headquarters was a smart move. They bought the building for $236 million and sold it for $1.1 billion.

Regardless of all the haters, Sony is changing their strategy, not onnly on the playstation front with PSN+ attracting lots of gamers, but in most of their markets and it seems to be working out for them. They will remain relevant for a long time.

nukeitall4009d ago

@Silly gameAr:

"According to a lot of financial analysts on gaming sites, Sony has been in big trouble for years, even when they do well."

That is because Sony has been doing poorly all this time. There is a reason why the stock price is similat to what it was almost 20 years ago.

It is at one of it's lowest points and steadily been going down sans minor bumps here there only to go back down again.

I don't know what the restructuring efforts will yield, but past trend is downwards.

@LightofDarkness:

"The PS4 is boasting extremely healthy pre-orders at the moment, and is generating quite a buzz. It will sell, and it will likely sell faster at launch than the PS3 did."

That is up for debate and really is the long term strategy. Look at how the market imploded on PS Vita and Wii U.

Long term execution is what we are looking for.

"Selling off their over-bloated assets isn't something to be worried about, it's actually a sign of smart asset management and instills confidence in investors and shareholders that they're committed to turning their fortunes around and "trimming the fat"."

Problem is, that isn't fat, it is actually an asset and investment. Sony sold their building only to lease it back, now suddenly the asset has become an expense!

"Sony are actually in a very good position right now, as they're about to turn their fortunes around to some degree."

That might be true, but we wouldn't know for a while. Most of the things done doesn't really change the business so far.

Keep in mind that the gaming division is overall a small division relative to Sony entirely. Furthermore, it is being weighted down by other divisions.

@SilentNegotiator:

"Stop using Sony selling their buildings as a negative, you troll. It's an ongoing trend for companies to sell buildings and lease them. It makes their assets more liquid. They never have to worry about getting stuck with a building (and thus taxes) if they decide to move their operations around."

So what you are saying is, I don't have enough money so I'm going to sell my house, then pay a higher cost to rent it back so I have some money in the bank account for a rainy is a good thing?

Let's face it, if the house is a good investment, you don't sell it then lease it back. You do it, because your back is at the wall and you need to ensure you can get out safely.

Selling during a down market, where companies are scrambling for cash doesn't put you in a good negotiable position. Sony would likely have gotten way more for those buildings prior to the recession.

"That's how turnaround plans work; you get rid of bad, immovable expenses."

Yes, but Sony made the building a bigger expense, for some cash in the short term.

"And newsflash! Stocks are an investment! Selling shares is not a weakness."

No, but selling shares of good stocks because you lack funds are!

dcbronco4009d ago (Edited 4009d ago )

@jcnba28

This is a site full of sheep so you can expect disagrees no matter what you say if it's negative about one company or another. Especially Sony. Everything you said is true. But that applies to the year that just ended. This is a forecast for the coming fiscal year that started last quarter.

I believe the PS4 will finally move Sony back to steady profits as long as they don't over reach in other areas. Sub-$5000 4k TVs is a great start as long as they make moves themselves to provide content and not depend on others. I think they would have been better off pushing mid-range and low-range TVs where their name means so much more than companies like Westinghouse. They will have a tough time competing with Samsung on the high end.

I think they may have weathered the storm with the sell-offs and the PS4 will save them. I can't foresee a situation where it won't be successful. Not the complete domination that fanboys imagine, but more than enough sales to lead to a profit as long as they hold even in other divisions. But it will be in their best interest to pay down debt with any profits they get as opposed to throwing more at just flooding the market with things no one really wanted. And that applies to phones and exclusives.

Don't worry about the disagrees. Sony was and still has major trouble. They were on the verge of bankruptcy. Their stock rating is junk bond status and I don't think anyone list it as a "buy". But again, I think they have weathered that storm and should be about to turn things around. But it will be a while before I would consider them stable again. They still have a lot to potentially drag them down.

imsocool12344009d ago

Your Nintendo fanboyism is showing lol. You mad Nintendo is going to tank and go out of business?

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DragonKnight4009d ago

@nukeitall: I bet MS is doing fabulously right?

GraveLord4009d ago

They're only closing down studios who have underperformed. You know that's what any good business would do.

KwietStorm_BLM4009d ago

Couldn't hear you over the doom and gloom.

NeverEnding19894009d ago

Oh and it's Dragonknight who becomes the first victim to mention Microsoft's financials in a SONY article. One of the best ways to find the biggest fanboys.

And for the record if SONY's $400 million profit is a good thing, then Microsoft must be doing very well with $21 BILLION in profits.

ITT: I'm glad to see SONY starting to improve. For awhile there I was concerned we wouldn't even see a PS4.

UnholyLight4009d ago

It's no use, unless you actually understand Business or are taking a degree in business (me), everyone will continue to disagree.

I don't think Sony is in huge trouble, but they definitely aren't the company that all these gamers think they are. You can tell them something and they still won't believe you. Analysts and investors are right to worry a bit about investing in Sony because it obviously is a bit of an inconsistant company as of late.

But I expect things to begin to turn around very shortly. This is especially likely if they can get their whole TV business figured out. Kaz Hirai is the man to lead Sony into better days IMO

The Great Melon4009d ago (Edited 4009d ago )

Looking at the articles you posted it seems Sony is actually relying more on their gaming assets. The Bloomberg article mentions this in the article.

"Chief Executive Officer Kazuo Hirai is cutting 10,000 jobs and selling assets as he focuses on mobile devices, games and digital imaging to turn around Sony..."

It helps when you have gaming blood (Kazuo Hirai) at the top. Now if we are talking about Sony in general I really don't know the forecast, but gaming alone still remains one of their stronger areas unlike TVs.

DragonKnight4009d ago

@NeverEnding1Bubble: Yeah, you need to learn what context is. I know how MS is doing, I don't care how MS is doing. That's not why I brought them up. You're probably the only person who didn't know what I was talking about when I posted that comment. Seriously. Think before you type. I know you want to get your trolling quota for the day but you're only doing yourself a disservice.

stragomccloud4009d ago

Still, I think PS4 will be great turnaround for Sony!

k2d4008d ago

Ahahaha. Listen to you laying it down for us.

No offence, but its time for you to pipe down.

GameNameFame4008d ago

that you cant sell assets to record it as profit on the books..

It just gets moved from x dollar asset to
x dollar in cash section on their books.

Broke your fanboy bubble

kreate4008d ago

I am all in favor of the ps3 and the ps4 as some of u n4g veterans would know over the 360.

But I dont think sony does well outside of gaming.

Outside of gaming, other companies outshines sony by far.

I personally dont like anything they make from phones to tvs.

But I love me ps3 and ps4.

TyBREAKR4008d ago

Accounting b******! Love it. He is right though. Its not a change in profit unless from sales. They debited cash and credited plant assets.

TronEOL4008d ago (Edited 4008d ago )

This doesn't in any way mean Sony is going under, or that we should be worried. We should instead be applauding them for "de-bloating" their company.

Whomever is in charge should be given a pat on the back for doing this as well.

I hope everyone realizes most of these companies were made as huge as they are now during really good, or at least decent, economic times where high priced items weren't all that big of a deal if bought every now and again.

Now we see so many companies falling, or going out of business, because they refuse to realize the answer is downsizing and trying to rebuild in this new era. The small few that are still alive now are here because they were always ahead of the curve and are now mostly living on name.

Which Sony was doing, and now they're clearly trying to push new things and bring their name back. Especially when you look at the PS4.

pixelsword4008d ago

jcnba28

I guess the words "turnaround plan" didn't register.

Kevin ButIer4008d ago

Kaz Hirai will be sharing a place in the big CEOs of our gen along with Carlos Ghosn

kenshiro1004008d ago

What does anything you've written here have to do with the article? Oh, absolutely nothing at all. You're just another troll trying to downplay anything that's positive regarding Sony.

cliffyboy214008d ago

that might be true but there gaming department is the biggest seller they wouldnt really have to worry about the gaming devision im sure if sony was in that bad of trouble they would of held off on the ps4

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DA_SHREDDER4009d ago (Edited 4009d ago )

Something is going on in the industry, and I think I'm starting to figure it out.

Oh yeah, i got an xperia phone, the older one with the game pad, i wish i held off for the new one.

WeAreLegion4009d ago

I bought the Xperia Play at launch. Ugh... Amazing for Minecraft, but that's about it. I have an Xperia TL now. Best phone I've ever had. It even crushes the Galaxy S III. In fact, even the Galaxy S 4 is missing a couple features that this has. The Xperia Z is basically this phone, but waterproof. Lol. I'm definitely getting the Xperia Z tablet, however.

joeorc4009d ago (Edited 4009d ago )

I don't know what the restructuring efforts will yield, but past trend is downwards. "

No, that is if there have been no benefit's in result's of that restructure.

It seem's many have not been paying very close attention, by your comment's you are one of them.

Because so far since the cut ,Sony has had a cut in Sale Quarter Loss'es to each of the part's of the companies section's for heavy loss'es TV's being one of them. with further cut's in stages that kaz has maintained to further reduce the Quarter by Quarter Loss'es. Also the sale's of the building's and stocks a majority of these cash bank deposit's are to pay back outstanding debt's they are in the processing of paying off Debt's.

Sony is the 3rd Largest Smartphone manuf. world wide! it goes Samsung, Apple and than Sony.

they are selling over 10 million xperia smartphones a sales Quarter!

despite all this , Sony's restructure is going to take year's, to gather hard benefit's but on the same token they are not in a freaking downward spiral also. so many keep saying that but there is no evidence to that fact that downward spiral effect's do not get their quarter by quarter loss'es cut in half and net an increase in profit build up's or repaying debt's , or the ability to make slow stable cut's instead of drastic all at once workforce cuts that hit your stock value more than it already does. Downward Spiral only means death. and Sony's 17.00+ billion market is a far cry from the 100 billion market cap they were at quite a while ago, but it sure as hell is more than the 14 billion market cap that Nintendo is worth!

And Nintendo does not have anywhere near the level of overhead that Sony does. why do you think Sony is cutting further into TV's section and now has classed the TV section as no longer a Pillar of Sony's company. 9 straight year's of loss'es more the number of loss'es of the playstation division has lost over the PS3 as upwards of over 3 time's as much, which has had over it's 14+ year's 50 billion in revenue for the entire Playstation division as a whole for 14 year's+ worth on the market, and people think that's a small part of a company?

really? 50 billion is small?

LightofDarkness4008d ago

@Legion: What?

The Xperia TL loses in just about every benchmark against the SIII, which even has about 40% more battery life (the TL's greatest drawback). It also isn't as feature rich as the SIII nor does it have an innovative design like the HTC One.

It might be a nice phone, but it's not in any way "best in class".

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Awesome_Gamer4009d ago

Good to hear Sony is doing well...

fermcr4009d ago (Edited 4009d ago )

The problem with this, is that Sony had to sell a few buildings and real estate to achieve those forecasts.

Hope Sony have good sales with the PS4... as Microsoft and Nintendo with their consoles. The more the competition, better for the consumer.

just_jeff4009d ago

Actually what Sony is doing is restructuring. They've basically looked at themselves and realized their very inefficient and wasting money in areas they don't have to.

Kaz came in and is basically re-focusing the company as a whole. Sure you can take that and run with it and call it a negative now, but lets save the judgement for when/If this plan doesn't work.

Let them be happy for Sony posting a much high "profit" than they first thought, they're trying hard to turn things around. What do you care? They're not clients looking to invest in Sony and you're not the Financial adviser taking care of them.

Anon19744009d ago (Edited 4009d ago )

When there's bad news for Sony, it spells doom. When it's good news for Sony, it's also really bad news and spells doom. If there's no news for Sony, what bad news are they hiding? Doom!

Over the years on this site, it never ceases to amaze me just how much certain people want to see Sony fail, and how hard they try to spin anything to do with the company in a negative light. I just can't begin to wrap my head around what could possibly compel people to act like this in forum full of strangers. What do they possibly get out of it? How badly do you crave attention that this, in your head, is an acceptable means of socializing?

Anyway...this news is no surprise to those who've actually been following Sony's restructuring efforts over the years. Analysts were saying months ago that the FX markets were finally stabilizing and the change in the yen would positively impact Sony overall. I imagine we can expect a Forbes "contributor" article to show up shortly trying to convince us that this is really bad news somehow.

MonkeyNinja4009d ago

+ Well Said

Don't forget about Nintendo's Doom&Gloom articles.

Anon19744008d ago (Edited 4008d ago )

Ugh. There's been a tonne of those as well, despite the fact that the Wii-U has been selling about on par with what the PS3 and 360 managed in their first 2 quarters. It's not like the Wii-U doesn't have it's work cut out for it going up against two brand new consoles coming up, but you just can't seem to convince some that not every piece of news spells doom. It's not quite the onslaught of doom that we've been hearing parroted over and over again for Sony every since the PS3 launched, but Nintendo certainly has seen a lot of this suddenly from the game media and posters alike.

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TheLyonKing4009d ago

That will most likely be from Ps4 coming out rather than any other products sony is displaying.

Really glad that sony are turning around the books

Minato-Namikaze4009d ago

Well their xperia phones seems to be doing quite well, and the xperia tablet seems to generating buzz.

R_aVe_N4009d ago

I have an Xperia phone and it is the best phone I have ever had. I don't seem to have those annoying problems I had with Iphones and Samsaung.

Conzul4009d ago

Yeah those look like the sh!t.
Fingers crossed that T-Mo picks up Xperia Z for the US. I hear they've been looking at it.

Good_Guy_Jamal4009d ago (Edited 4009d ago )

Yes that makes sense, SONY has doubled profit forecasts for the PAST fiscal year based on the success of a console thats releasing in the current fiscal year.
That's what you're saying here. Did you read the article or just the headline? Could have at least read the description.
. . .and 12 people agreed with you. Wow.

It’s reported today that Sony doubled its annual net profit forecast for the past fiscal year to $403 millions. This is mostly due to a weak yen, it has lost around a fifth against the dollar since November, but also sales of Sony assets and smart business decisions. Sony will announce their results next month according to France 24.

Please read that and tell me again how this has anything to do with the PS4. If anything, they would have made more profit were it not for the PS4 because all the R&D money is only gonna pay off once it releases.
Again, why do you have 12 agrees?? Do people just see ps4 and positive and decide thats good enough?

blastcorp644009d ago (Edited 4009d ago )

This site never fails to amuse me. I'll be honest, I only come to this site to witness the delusional commenters. It's like finding a movie humerous for its bad acting. I mean, can you really be offended by your disagrees?

kenshiro1004008d ago

Why do people like you try to downplay good news and scream doom and gloom from the rooftops?

No one is implying that Sony didn't have their troubles but this is good news. Are you allergic to good news or something?

blastcorp644009d ago

Uhhh, you're misinformed. This forecast has nothing to do with the forthcoming fiscal year.

andreasx4009d ago

i'm glad to see that Sony is doing so well, so far they have ticked all the right boxes when it comes to marketing for the PS4

BlaqMagiq244009d ago

With Kaz at the helm and PS4 on the horizon, they're looking to aim big and I hope they see a huge payoff. Good luck to Sony.

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Sony Taps Bungie's Head of Revenue to Lead Live-Service Games

Sony has recruited Bungie's head of revenue Jaremy Rich to head up its live-service gaming division, Rich has announced on social media.

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ChasterMies12d ago

Please do not put Destiny’s monetization into Sony’s first party games. The monetization is what’s driving players away from Destiny.

just_looken11d ago

The new temp boss is the sony cfo bean counter so i can see this being a thing get every penny.

Cacabunga11d ago

PlayStation officially losing it.. fans will never support gaas games

just_looken11d ago

@car

The new boss did a interview in japan he wants to tap into the mobile market like nintendio so he give 0 fucks about gamers/fans

https://www.pushsquare.com/...

Redemption-6411d ago

@Cacabunga
You only speak for you and those who think like you, but most fans will support what they want. Playstation and PC fans are literally supporting Helldivers 2 and that is a gaas. Maybe you wouldn't, but many more would if they like it.

Huey_My_D_Long11d ago

@Redemption-64
Look, Im not making any judgement calls about this guy, but I will say that Helldivers 2 GaaS model is unique to Helldivers, and legit the only other game I can think of thats similiar was the Avengers game except HD2 pass is still better.
The fact that you can earn in game currency in a way that doesnt make you feel like you have to grind forever, as well you being able work on that pass that you bought...on your own time without a time limit...that right there is fucking huge to me, and I can't name any game other than avengers that avoided trapping players with FOMO logic...I think GaaS on HD2 shouldn't be compared to the rest of the industry...it should be copied.

Einhander197211d ago

Cacabunga

Helldivers 2...

Redemption-64

In Europe it's a 60 40 split favoring PC.
In the US its a 60 40 split favoring PS5.

So PlayStation owners supported the game just fine, it's not getting carried by PC or anything like that.

FinalFantasyFanatic11d ago

@just_looken,
I'm perfectly fine with the way Nintendo entered the mobile market, I never touched their mobile games, meanwhile, the console/handheld stayed the way it is. As for being a bean counter, he's probably going to reel in these massive budgets that Sony's studios have had lately, I haven't played Spiderman 2, but I cannot see how they almost tripled the budget for that game.

@Redemption-64,
That's an exception to the rule, I'm expecting a lot of these GAAS games from Sony to fail, to be fair, they only need a few to succeed, but I would have preferred that they put more of their resources into other types of games.

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DivineHand12511d ago

True their monetization is driving players away and at the same time, their decision to chop out content and convoluted systems is keeping new players away from the game.

Joe91311d ago

I don't think that will happen based on how things worked out at Naughty Dog now that we know what we do, seems they had the option to fully commit to live service games or stay making single player experences so they gave up on their live service game. We are not sure how things came about with Bend making a live service game but I hope that was not a forced situation. Sony doesnt seem like they are forcing studios to switch up but we will see, Sony's bread and butter is single player games it is how they dominated the console market.

Obscure_Observer11d ago

Yeah, I though Sony learned something from all their failures in the LS segment under Bungie´s disastrous leadership and supervision which led to games been cancelled, studios closed and all the people laid off.

Looks like Bungie still plays a major role in Sony´s LS initiative and Sony is not backtracking on their GaaS plans.

S2Killinit11d ago (Edited 11d ago )

Are we forgetting that Destiny is also a highly successful franchise? I feel like that definitely deserves mention here.

Besides, there is no reason why a person cant learn from past experiences.

Joe91311d ago

I agree, people act as if Destiny flopped when it came out lol it took 9 to 10 years for the numbers to fall yet people are still playing it add the success of Helldivers 2 no wonder Sony is going forward down this path.

S2Killinit11d ago

Personally, I see no problem with Sony also having service games as long as they make good ones, and more importantly they deliver the AAA story driven games that they are known for. So yeah, I agree 100% with you.

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Christopher11d ago

I mean, this person made some pretty bad decisions at Bungie. I hope they've learned from them because I definitely don't see those type of ideas as good for PlaySation in general.

CrimsonWing6911d ago (Edited 11d ago )

Honestly, what’s to learn from? How to make people happily continuously dump money into a single game over its life-time? Buy season passes continuously for several years with a smile on our faces?

GaaS is a design decision that is everything wrong with this industry. The fact that Helldivers 2 did so well and people defend the monetization because it was $40 and is a fun game, scares the sh*t out of me to see that the door is open and all shift will probably be to replicate that in future games. We already know the ROI for traditional game dev cost isn’t doing it for them.

I thought with Jimbo leaving we’d see a change for the better… I’m not so sure now.

S2Killinit11d ago

Service games are being offered by everyone. Sony cannot afford to only create single player AAA games. No one can. They already said they will be doing both.

Abnor_Mal11d ago (Edited 11d ago )

Ps5 gamers in 2023 seemed to play more live service types of games, so regardless to how people feel about them, numbers don’t lie and Sony is going where the money is. I mean look at the excitement around Helldivers2, people are showing that they want live service games.

Christopher11d ago

They play long-time existing live service games like CoD, Fortnite, Apex Legends, Destiny 2, and the like. Mass majority of new live service games are considered failures and aren't moving gamers away from older games.

just_looken11d ago

Yep the huge issue with live service is they need paid players along with a reason to play them.

You forgot mobile market that also taps into that player base as well as the eve online style games there is only a certain amount of krakens/whales blind supporters compared to the amount of live service games we have its not sustainable math wise.

700 restaurants making food for every seat for 1000-3000 eaters just does not work out

Einhander197211d ago (Edited 11d ago )

Christopher

I am not a big live service fan and literally own zero of the games you listed, but that is not true, unless you call games that aren't the top games to be failures.

There are tons of live service games that are profitable.

Games don't have to be the biggest game ever they just need to make more than they cost.

I challenge you to show professionally prepared data that shows that more live service games fail than make enough to keep going.

Because all the data that I have seen shows that live service is less of a gamble than making a big AAA budget game which needs to survive off retail sales.

FinalFantasyFanatic11d ago

I sometimes wonder if we're at saturation point, where it's hard for a new game to join those ranks unless it's particularly exceptional, people only have so much time and money to devote to these types of games.

romulus2311d ago

Correction, they have no issue playing good live service games

shinoff218311d ago

Lol it's not even a quarter of the ps5s sold. Helldivers may have been a hit but let's not say most are enjoying it because truth is most(the real most ) don't care about it.

S2Killinit11d ago (Edited 11d ago )

I play what is fun. If a live service game is good I’ll play it as long as its not a money scheme which Helldivers is not.

And Im a single player gamer.

mastershredder11d ago

How do you kill a franchise that already been killed?
Destiny’s grind, cash-in-on-playbass-cha-Ching, and pop-culture-insertion mainstream-me-too bs totally killed any rep Bungie had. Sony/Bungie, if you are doing this to ward-off players, it’s already working.

crazyCoconuts11d ago

Headline truncated:
"... off a cliff"

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Sony May Soon Let You Decide How Much NPCs Talk In Games

Sony has patented to add multiple dialogue modes to let players switch between how many conversations with NPCs they want in the game.

blackblades17d ago

Sony is like the only ones outta the 3 that has atuff like like this pop up changing thing in ways.

just_looken17d ago

Sony in the past has always been first at bat with new ideas/tech but in the end never fully use it or just toss it away.

blackblades17d ago

I think they did use some but yeah most usually never happened but at least they thought about it. Sony seeks things like this and other, Nintendo seek different ways of playing going by there different controler designs and console designs.

just_looken17d ago (Edited 17d ago )

some of the other stuff sony want's/owns never used
https://gamerant.com/sony-p...
https://gamerant.com/sony-p...
https://www.eurogamer.net/s...
https://metro.co.uk/2023/03...
https://decrypt.co/114754/s...

monitor/adjust game difficultly as you play
https://www.techradar.com/g...

Sony nfts
https://www.theblock.co/pos...

Pay ai to play the game for you
https://thebusinessofesport...

Oh all the above last 12 months

I just imagine a evil scientist with test subjects when it comes down to sony recent patent reports.

Kaii17d ago

Will we get dialogue options that won't spoil puzzles in a matter of seconds? :p

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Judge rules in PlayStation's favour in $500m patent infringement lawsuit

Genuine Enabling Technology was seeking damages, claiming the tech allowing PlayStation consoles and controllers to communicate infringes its rights.

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S2Killinit19d ago

Big victory for Sony. And a long time coming.

DarXyde19d ago (Edited 19d ago )

Crazy to think the savings from this lawsuit allows them to develop one AAA game.

Make it Bloodborne 2, please and thank you.

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Profchaos19d ago

Sounds like patent trolling they tried the same thing against Nintendo with the same pattern.

Motion and control input traversing over higher and lower frequencies seperate from each other allowing the controller to do both

Pyrofire9519d ago

Patents suck. Most of them are complete garbage.

Knightofelemia19d ago

So to recoup the money Genuine is going to take on Nintendo or Microsoft next. I hate patent lawyers they are some of the worst bottom feeders out there.

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