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A Flawed Masterpiece: Revisiting Bioshock Infinite

Now that the dust has settled on Irrational Games' lauded shooter, Sean takes a look at what worked and didn't work in the story and how it ties (or doesn't) into the gameplay and the world of Bioshock Infinite.

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N2NOther4017d ago

I got excited for a comment and hopefully a discussion and then I saw it was spam :(

Anyway, any feedback is appreciated!

frelyler4017d ago

@N2NOther, here ya go. This is actually directed at the author of the article.

Your reading too much into things. Like the coin flip you mention at the beginning of your article, it doesn't matter what his name is. It all boils down to the lighthouse, the man and the city. You nit pick on something, but only after you answer your own question about it. How is a name different from a coin flip? Why do we all make the choices we do? Do we really have a choice if there are an infinite amount of outcomes? Look at the ending, there is no way to stop any of the outcomes unless you don't exist to make them happen. I also take issue with this statement, "There is no good reason other than to serve the twist that the characters in this movie look, talk and dress this way." It's called a plot device. Name me a movie that does not use it's setting, characters and their motivations to tell a story. you can't because that is what makes a movie. You could take the above statement and say that about any movie ever made or book ever written that has a "twist." Of course there is a reason for it. It tells a story and there is nothing else to say about it. Whether or not you like the movie is a matter of opinion, but to dismiss something just because it "serves the twist" is ridiculous. You did not like the ending, is the only valid statement you could make. Would you say that Rosebud in Citizen Kane only existed to serve the "twist" ending? The only part I agree with you on is the vigors.

N2NOther4017d ago

Thanks for reading and making comment. I am the author so I definitely appreciate the feedback.

Setting and character are 100% necessary for a movie, that is true. But when the central conflict has no explanation beyond it being the twist that is poor writing. The twist is in Bioshock Infnite is good, and it works on the surface but upon further scrutiny it falls apart. Especially if you the only defense is "just because". I can think of serval films thy have a twist that are backed up by the context of the film that don't exist merely for there to be a movie. Jacob's Ladder, Unbreakable, Roshomon for example.

As for Citizen Kane, what Rosebud is isn't the twist, it's the inciting incident and the reason why the reporter is investigating. What it turns out to be is relative meaningless.

Again, I do appreciate the feedback as the discussion. It's what I love about the game. That it can be dissected and discussed at length. I just don't think a twist is supposed to not be thought about. Especially not in something as thought provoking as Bioshock Infnite. At least that's my point of view.

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MikeyDucati14017d ago (Edited 4017d ago )

I agree with this article. May I add my two cents? Forgive me if this seems all over the place but I have been trying to understand why I don't like this game (crazy as it might sound). I expected more.

Rapture was alive, the story vibrant (even though it was dark and grim) and everything in it spoke to you in ways that Columbia did not (at least for me). I bought Bioshock Infinite on D1. Being as though I had to work a shift, I waited impatiently to get my hands on this game. When I finally got home and begin to play, I kept thinking "Ok, ok, something will happen that will ensnare me into the world". When that never came, I felt myself rushing through the game to get to that meaty narrative that would quench my thirst for a little bit. There were too many down periods and not enough narrative to influence my desire to go further.

Especially when I got to the middle section, after waiting for some time to actually "play" with Elizabeth, to get the full feel of the world. It began to feel like a crawl. I don't care about the leader of the resistance but she is the main scope for now. Oh now she's a child killer now? Ok. Now we have inter-dimesional traveling going on here. Ok. Oh the vigors are never explained but they are part of the world I'm in, with vendors and loot besides dead bodies. But no enemy uses them. Wait a minute, what am I doing again? Helping the resistance leader or going to get to the airship? I couldn't find enough "umph" to get me to want to see through the game. I wound up trading it in later.

I really can't place a finger on it. It boggles my mind why I didn't like about BI as a whole. I can take pieces of it that I disliked but was it enough for me to not like the game as much? Apparently so. But why do I feel that BI could have been so much more?

When I entered rapture, the mystery was there. The dark corners hid fears and greed. The crazy citizens hooked on plasmids sent chills up my spine when I hid and they said "we can see you, ya know". It's just that something is missing from BI that isn't lost in the other two Bioshocks. Yes, it can be argued that I got used to the Rapture setting. Yes it can be argued that I should enjoy the series taking a different route but following the same basic guidelines. But it wasn't enough for me. The only characters I was interested in was Elizabeth and the Twins. Other than that, I didn't care for finding out much about anybody. Even Booker DeWitt. With Rapture, the mystery laid at every turn. Yes there were fetch quests, but the characters I fetched for were interesting. The combat was enjoyable. It was tough but not like Infinite where it feels like the AIs are just sending a barrage of bullets. I felt more overpowered than outwitted. In rapture, when I died, I knew what was the cause. I was simply reckless one section or I didn't utilize the traps properly. Strategy was more important.

Whereas Rapture had morsels at every turn that kept you wanting to find out the next part, BI stood on the grounds of its previous titles as the guarantee that you will sit down and wade in some of its murky waters.

N2NOther4015d ago

Thank you for this! This is absolutely what I love about this game and games in general. Fascinating points regarding the contrast in design between Bioshock and Infinite!

MikeyDucati14014d ago

Thanks alot for your article. It was a good read and its saying something that most are not.

N2NOther4013d ago

Thanks for that! I sincerely appreciate it. I've only been writing for video game sites for about 7 months so it's great to hear people are enjoying at least some of what I am doing. Even if they don't, at least I am getting feedback.

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EA Hopes to Use Generative AI to Drive Monetization and Make Development 30% More Efficient

Today Electronic Arts CEO Andrew Wilson provided a look into his ideas for the use of generative AI in the company's development processes.

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thorstein47d ago

I wonder what the next buzz word they'll slap in front of AI to make it sound exciting next? "Generative" as if it's creating its own content. Lol.

Cacabunga46d ago

EA is already dying a painful death..

peppeaccardo46d ago

i have a better idea .. why the whole exec team doesn't get replaced by chat bots ?

just_looken46d ago

Though i agree the ai thing is already in other forms of media there have been ai translations/scripts/voice over and even full ai commercials aired on tv. Ubisoft has created a ai game creator story/vo/music except the building of the game

The new unreal engine has auto terrain creation tools

In the world of greed in which it is winning without any major blow back ai is our future.

everyone want's biden dead on the mic or a criminal instead of a woman and now we are getting ai everything because no one will stop watching/playing ai created media.

GamerRN46d ago

Maybe they should just focus on making good games?

Just a thought...

Kiryu199246d ago

Exactly EA are just pure evil. When they are beating Bank of America to be voted the worst company to work for that’s saying a lot

Good thing I don’t buy their games day one and wait for deep deep sale years after launch (the select few games I am actually interested in)

Gaming is making so much money yet the greed of these companies is never ending

CEO’s and people on board making millions yet cutting jobs to those who are actually making the products

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Knightofelemia47d ago (Edited 47d ago )

EA is still a shady shitty company even with or without the help of Skynet. All they will use AI for is new ways to milk loot boxes and come up with the same sports title with a different year on the label. They are one company I truly do hate with a passion. They single handedly ruined some great franchise with their death touch. ME, Dead Space, Alice Returns, Dante's Inferno.

Stuart575646d ago

EA layoffs followed by 'Generative AI to Drive Monetization'

I knew it. Wonder what AI salary looks like? Nothing.

ChasterMies46d ago

I having a feeling that most of the layoffs in the industry are based on the idea that AI will do the same job for less.

DarXyde46d ago

Very likely, yes.

Made worse by the fact that the execs aren't changing their compensations.

My deepest fear at this point is that we are now in the capitalism endgame.

At this point, we really should just burn AI to the ground. Executives cannot be trusted to do the right thing.
How are those people expected to support families if everything gets automated?

Barlos46d ago (Edited 46d ago )

And take away creativity, and people's jobs as we've been seeing. Got it.

No thanks. I want my games created by people, not AI.

CobraKai46d ago

Exactly. If or when games start becoming more AI than people, im done with gaming. AI and companies like EA can suck donkey d***k.

just_looken46d ago

Though i agree remember this is no ps3/360 era were we got up to 3 games in one generation from on developer like gears/halo/bioware/sony/ms

The people today are pro esg/sweet baby for the most part AAA gaming is imploding right now.

We should be stepping back re evaluate everything as a whole this year xmen 97 written/directed by a woman that is nuts and its also being made by a group reshaping bodies to be less sexual like wtf. A dam famous cartoon from the 90's is being rebuilt with millions spent to be worse in everyway.

Gaming/movies/tv shows made today are worse than what we had 7years ago ai won't change this but that ai is also being made by these groups so either way we are screwed.
https://www.youtube.com/wat...

Eonjay46d ago

Don't be of afraid of women. Sexy characters in games and movies still exist. Got my Stellar Blade on preorder!!! Everything all the time doesn't need to be sexual...that's stupid, childish and dull.

Chocoburger46d ago (Edited 46d ago )

EA doesn't want to lose their title of worst gaming company ever, always trying their best to remain the champs!
What's sad is that they have so much potential to be a decent publisher.

SSX Tricky / SSX 3
Def Jam Vendetta / Fight for New York
NBA Street
NFL Steet
Mirror's Edge
Bad Company
Burnout 3 / 4 / 5

Remember when EA used to be awesome? It's all over with now. Unpolished, if not out-right broken games these days. Endless monetization and gambling in their sports games, and let's not forget wasting hours of your life trying to unlock characters or equipment using "surprise boxes!"

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EA And Sony Layoffs, Entertainment News And More Skewedcast

Gareth, Justin, and JoeyZ look at Layoff news for EA and Sony and reasons behind the downturn in the industry and more.

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EA - Continuing to evolve our business and teams

EA CEO Andrew Wilson writes: "In this time of change, we expect these decisions to impact approximately 5 percent of our workforce. I understand this will create uncertainty and be challenging for many who have worked with such dedication and passion and have made important contributions to our company. While not every team will be impacted, this is the hardest part of these changes, and we have deeply considered every option to try and limit impacts to our teams. Our primary goal is to provide team members with opportunities to find new roles and paths to transition onto other projects. Where that’s not possible, we will support and work with each colleague with the utmost attention, care, and respect. Communicating these impacts has already begun and will be largely completed by early next quarter."

LG_Fox_Brazil54d ago

All the big ones doing the same stuff. Terrible. I just hope that all these people are able to get a new job as soon as possible, God know that it is horrible to be left jobless when you have your kids or your parents depending on your financial help

Jin_Sakai54d ago (Edited 54d ago )

2024 so far.

Feb ’28 Electronic Arts (EA) 670 (5%)
Feb ’24 PlayStation 900 (8%)
Feb ’24 Vice Media Group Several hundred
Feb ’24 Buzzfeed 16%
Feb ’24 NowThis 26 (50%)
Feb ’24 Paramount Global 800 (3%)
Feb ’24 SiriusXM 160 (3%)
Feb ’24 Snapchat 10%
Jan ’24 TechCrunch 8 + subscription product
Jan ’24 U.K.’s Channel 4 200
Jan ’24 Business Insider 8%
Jan ’24 Microsoft Gaming 1,900
Jan ’24 Riot Games 530
Jan ’24 Sports Illustrated Possibly all
Jan ’24 YouTube 100
Jan ’24 Pitchfork (Conde Nast) Undisclosed
Jan ’24 Universal Music Group Hundreds
Jan ’24 Discord 17%
Jan ’24 NBC News 50-100
Jan ’24 Audible 5%
Jan ’24 Google Hundreds
Jan ’24 Amazon Hundreds
Jan ’24 Duolingo 10%
Jan ’24 VideoAmp 20%

DATA AS OF FEB. 28, 2024

outsider162454d ago

Is it possible maybe this whole ai thing is in play?

just_looken53d ago

Another long list that skips over UPS cutting 12,000 jobs those workers as we know work without ac low pay and old box trucks but that company had to cut 12k jobs do too loosing billions of dollars year 2 year.

https://edition.cnn.com/202...

The greed and lack of transparency/oversight is disgusting.

Ups are still making bang but not enough for a golden boat fleet.

Remember we all use ups at some time even stuff in our stores this is going to be a huge issue gong forward i know in my area they removed half the state ups stores northern half least population got some 3rd party running packages now from minivans.

Sonic188153d ago

When I explan this I get called a troll 🤔 like wtf

thorstein53d ago

@just_looken

UPS is a different story altogether.

They are paying the people doing the actual work/ earning the money more and eliminating management.

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CrimsonWing6954d ago (Edited 54d ago )

You do realize around this time this happens all throughout many industries (not just the game industry), right? It has to do with taxes for these major companies, like tax subsidies for downsizing. You want to know a little secret? Around May or so you’ll see a spike in hiring…

It blows my mind that people are oblivious to corporate workings.

Andrew33654d ago

So over 25 huge companies cut jobs every year like this and it only got noticed this time?

CrimsonWing6954d ago (Edited 54d ago )

@Andrew336

Yes, that’s exactly what I’m saying. Google it up if you’re uninformed of how corporations work. Only gamers seem to live in a bubble and when they see things like crunch, acquisitions, and lay-offs they act like this is the only industry it happens to and how shocked they are about it.

Welcome to the real world, kid.

thorstein53d ago (Edited 53d ago )

EA CEO Wilson's total compensation was 20 million. Let's take away 19 million (I'm sure he can survive on 1 million.... somehow).

1 million is the salary of an in the chair developer @100,000 for 10 years.

He could earn 1 million a year.

And save the jobs of 15 in the chair devs for A DECADE (plus benefits) with ONE YEAR'S compensation.

RhinoGamer8854d ago

No Executive accountability or firings I see...

just_looken53d ago

Do not worry they will take over 40mill say sorry then get hired by playstation or xbox

blackblades53d ago

I heard Japan does it better, they do layoffs like what's happening with companies in the west. The higher ups also being agreeing to to lower there own salary. These MFs like jim and Phil isnt gonna do that they want that $

Sonic188154d ago

Like I said earlier, this is happening all around the gaming industry.

Petebloodyonion54d ago

The point I feel is problematic about all of this is that focusing on Owned Ip means more sequels, remasters and more of what was selling last year.

TheColbertinator54d ago

EA is certainly among the worst,if not the worst

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