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New Consoles Are Coming, What Does It Mean For PC Gamers?

GC writes - New consoles are being released by Sony and Microsoft in November if we can trust the rumors. Sony will launch the Playstation 4 and Microsoft, the next Xbox which has not been revealed yet.

As announced in february by Sony, the PS4 uses a PC architecture. Eight cores running at 1.6GHz AMD “Jaguar”, 8GB GDDR5, AMD Radeon Graphics and other nice things like W-Lan and a Blu-Ray player.

Nothing is sure for the Xbox, but it will also be a PC-like architecture rumored to be as following: Eight cores running at 1.6GHz AMD “Jaguar”, 8GB DDR3 and 32MR ESRAM, AMD Radeon Graphics.

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Snookies124021d ago (Edited 4021d ago )

As a PC gamer, it means I'll have new consoles and my PC. I like being able to play any game that piques my interest. :]

Sure I don't have a lot of money for other things, but gaming is an expensive hobby lol.

PS-Analog4021d ago

That's the smart way and, like you said, the expensive option too. If I can get all 3 plus the Wii U, I would be 1 happy gamer.

decrypt4021d ago (Edited 4021d ago )

Arrival of new consoles is exciting for PC gamers, because developers these days tend to keep consoles as the lowest denominator. Hence more powerful consoles coming is always welcome. Infact i hope Sony and MS dont make much of a loss this round and are able to provide newer consoles on a 5 year interval instead of the 7 years we have seen this gen.

I cant speak for other PC gamers, but personally for me PC just offers too many games and the reason i keep buying multiplats on the PC is because of the BC the platform offers. I have over 175 games on my Steam library and it only gets bigger as time goes on. Hence it leaves me with very little time to play anything else. I am not interested in 8 hour linear SP campaigns. I would pick up a next gen console for the exclusives but really those exclusives would have to be something different not just 8 hour games. I would like to see something revolutionary like Dayz, Dota etc to convince me to pick up a next gen console. So far i dont see any of that on the next gen consoles, well its too early to tell anyways.

I am just happy new consoles are on their way, which means PC hardware being pushed too.

T9004021d ago

Console fans these days just getting desperate to sway people from PC gaming.

"Since consoles use unified memory as we’ve seen before, graphics might be the point where consoles have the upper-hand. Graphic Cards for PCs usually have 2GB GDDR5 which means this could be a problem in the long run."

Well yes the console will come with 8GB of memory, however 2 gigs of that goes off to the OS. reduce another 2-3 gigs for the game itself. Then what you are left with is about 2-3 gigs for VRAM.

Question is What res and textures sizes do you expect the consoles to run to use all that RAM. With most games still targeted at 720p or 1080p, It would be difficult to imagine consoles actually using more than 1.5-2 Gigs as VRAM. Even then if developers chose to go beyond this, the GPU would quickly become a bottle neck and all you would get is a slide show. Hence no PC GPUs with 1.5 - 2 Gigs of Vram wont be becoming a bottleneck.

"PC gamers might as well save all the trouble and buy a console instead."

Why would we give up all the freedom we have and go console as main platform?

No mods, no upgrade options, No BC.

Looks like a sad console fan article to me.

socks4020d ago

PCs have been bleeding for decades. No push from a terrible article is required.

MysticStrummer4020d ago

"Console fans these days just getting desperate to sway people from PC gaming."

That's pretty hilarious given the number of PC gamers who haunt console articles on here, trying desperately to talk people into gaming on PC.

cayleee4020d ago

@Mystic

So why are seeing articles saying:

"PC gamers might as well save all the trouble and buy a console instead."

If thats not desperate what is?

Also the only reason PC gamers appear in console articles when console gamers spread misinformation like PS4 = High end PC.

Now a 1.6Ghz tablet CPU is considered high end really?

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cayleee4020d ago (Edited 4020d ago )

@Kratos_kills

"Yea it is because 100% of that 8 core 1.6Ghz APU is focused on by developers."

Yet you only have games running at 30fps.

Heres a little hint you could load up a PC with a I5 CPU and convert a video on it (that makes sure all 4 cores are used up), do the same on a AMD 8 core Desktop CPU, I5 will always win.

Heres a benchmark for you:

http://www.hardocp.com/arti...

Thats comparing a AMD 8 core desktop CPU with a intel 4 core Desktop CPU. Intel wins(both are running at 4ghz). Now imagine consoles are getting tablet cores only running at 1.6ghz. From a CPU perspective there is no contest no matter how you slice it.

Almost every PC gamer now has 4 core systems, Hence its not like Devs wont be using 4 cores on the PC. Hence even if they use 4 cores, PC will be way ahead of any console from a CPU perspective.

Now for the age old 512MB arguement. Does the PS3 feature an OS? can it be used for work? no it cant, its funny PS3 cant even do cross game chat. PC isnt just a games machine its a complete do it all machine hence requires the additional RAM for those purposes, that doesnt mean PC is inefficient.

Its the GPU that does most of the work when it comes to games. 8800GTX only comes with 768MB of RAM, thats not a whole lot more than 512 the PS3 comes with. PS3 does all games in 720p, 8800GTX manages all games in 1080p. Thats about 2x more pixels drawn with just a little more RAM. I would rather Argue its the PS3 thats inefficent by that measure.

papashango4020d ago

the 8800gtx is pretty much all that needs to be said about hardware dedicated to gaming.

it debunked every talking point about the matter.

ShinMaster4020d ago

@T900

Why get so defensive about a couple of articles?
We're talking about people like you always coming to console related articles to talk about specs and how consoles are so "low-end".

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AngelicIceDiamond4020d ago

I'll tell you what it means. It means PC fanboys will try and buy that super high end PC that was running BF4 so they can say they have the better version on every next gen game that gets released.

stuna14020d ago

Funny but true! We already are hearing how the PS4 is not comparable to a mid to low end pc! The fact is we get this! It's just that some prefer consoles over pcs and vice-a-versa.

MrDead4020d ago

Amen brother, I pity the fool that limits themselves to the one option.

JsonHenry4020d ago

I always love it when new consoles come out because it means for the next 3-4 years the PC will be pushed graphically (as a whole) before it starts to stagnate again towards the later years of the console's lifespan.

TheXonySbox4020d ago

Eight cores running at 1.6GHz AMD

LMFAO thats terrible!!! hahahaha

ATi_Elite4020d ago (Edited 4020d ago )

New consoles mean NOTHING to me except another headache caused by misinformation and false truths.

OK Better multiplat games but Devs were ALREADY pushing to make better PC multiplat games as Dev have heard the complaints of PC gamers and have decided to have the features in multiplats that PC Gamers demand.

Oh I gotta listen to people Hype up features on their New Consoles like they are BRAND NEW TECH meanwhile I've been using said tech for years. Friggin Years!

Oh more Stupid PC vs. Console arguments. I swear these editors just Copy n Paste and just change the editors name on these stupid articles.

OH more stupid "PC Gaming is so expensive CRAP" meanwhile your about to shell out $500 for a new console that has NO BACKWARDS compatibility. SO when your x360/PS3 RROD/YLOD your SCREWED or shell out MORE cash to continue playing your current Gen Library of games.

OH now I have to endure people saying Killzone Shadow fall is the best looking game ever (even though clearly it is NOT) but just two minutes ago Graphics Don't matter when they realize 1080p 30fps is the limit of consoles.

Meanwhile I'm banging out games in 1600p 60 fps on ULTRA "But graphics don't matter".......two minutes ago "KZ:SF has Ray Tracing OMG no PC Game has Ray Tracing KZ:SF is totally better than any PC Game ever".....Quake Ray Traced years ago and Ray Tracing since HD4000/GTX200 series. "Oh but Graphics Don't matter"

So I'm sorry new consoles mean nothing to me but more FALSE and INCORRECT information of a certain demographics thinking consoles are some Brand New Tech when in fact they are just hashed together from old PC parts.

AMD APU, System using one Ram pool.....is ALL OLD, Tablets Cell phones and Desktops have already done it!

....and don't say new consoles push PC cause the greatest evolutions on PC this Gen was Kickstarter, Greenlight, and F2P allowing Devs and Gamers to have even more interaction together and finding a way to generate lots of revenue and curb piracy with F2P.

So instead of the TRUTH and articles detailing what Next Gen consoles have LEARNED from the PC and applying to themselves I gotta sit here and read these bullcrap articles as if consoles are the prototype of all this NEW TECH and Delivery Systems that I've been using for years.

It's Like Neil Armstrong listening to some Astronaut bragging about going to Space for the first time, Sorry Son I've Been there Done that and More!

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NastyLeftHook04021d ago

not a damn thing.

ill play my ps4, pc gamers will play there pc.

shutUpAndTakeMyMoney4020d ago (Edited 4020d ago )

"not a damn thing.

ill play my ps4, pc gamers will play there pc."

well consider the fact that ps4 is x86 u still think It mean nothing?

I think this means ps4 will get mostly pc ports.

This means pc gamers will be treated like people finally.

Also if most games lead on pc then ps4 and 720 might not hold pc back? Nah it will we all know this.

TheLyonKing4021d ago

Possible it could mean more support for PC gamers since the ps4 and 360 have PC like architecture. But the piracy in PC needs to be managed somehow.

Blackdeath_6634021d ago (Edited 4021d ago )

piracy is piracy. you can't change that, there is still a large enough market on the pc to make it profitable. besides its really easy to develop for pc since devs make the game on a pc in the first place. in reality devs don't loose much by developing for the pc the only thing they may need to invest time or money in is making a good port (options menu,making sure it runs at high resolution,making sure it runs smoothly on high fps etc...) this doesn't require a lot of work and can easily be outsourced like capcom has done with dmc which runs great on pc. also sales on pc take place on a much longer period of time, witcher 2 for example still gets loads of sales on pc even if its relatively old every time there is a discount on a game a bunch more sales are made. piracy isnt as big nowadays since there are very good services like steam and many other equivalents who sell cheap games so people don't need to pirate. i personally find my self more willing to pay on pc than i was a few years back

MilkMan4020d ago

I cant see this meaning anything to PC gamers.
More games to port or play?

MontyQ4020d ago

pc is the uber just think how many hundereds of ectra hours I got from fallout3 vegas and skyrim just from playing with mods and added quest lines ect. for me yes we all know pc cant be touched in the graphics area but its the mods that the awesome fans of these games put hundreds of hours into making that make some of them just amazing. Most of the ultra graphic mods for Bethesda games make the games look ten fold better then the way they shipped because of pc gamers who put their heart into doing this for free cheers to them

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Microsoft Seemingly Closes Bethesda France

As part of its plans to cut 1,900 jobs, Microsoft has reportedly shut down operations at Bethesda France, letting go roughly 15 people

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Hereandthere12h ago

Microsoft should have left them stay 3rd party

GamerRN10h ago

If they are let go, they can be whatever they want. They ARE 3rd party now... 🤦

Barlos7h ago

Yeah, they're also jobless.

GamerRN54m ago

They can form a company if they want, they are just as jobless as if "Microsoft had left them as 3rd party".

peppeaccardo2h ago

"MIcrosoft leaves Bethesda do what they know how to do best" ... close! Oh the irony ....
(Citation from a week old article)

PassNextquestion12h ago(Edited 12h ago)

Bethesda France was made up of roughly 15 people... they couldn't of being doing much

Bethesda France mainly did publishing and marketing within the region

blacktiger10h ago

that's a shame for you to say that, i'm sure Elite loves hearing what you just said.

Profchaos12h ago(Edited 12h ago)

Bethesda France focused on publishing and marketing in the region. And 15 people lost their jobs as part of the closure.

I wonder if this is part of Microsoft's strategy to abandoned physical media or possibly gamepass advertising makes their roles redundant you don't need to market a game as hard when the majority of players get the game as part of a sub which already promoted upcoming games

Tacoboto12h ago

It's France too, there's a high likelihood only 1-2 people on the team even had an Xbox.

Profchaos11h ago

Possibly guven all the leaks we know the Xbox brand is really struggling in the region.

Yi-Long8h ago

Well, if your consoles and games are barely found in any stores any more, of course you're gonna struggle finding consumers ...

XiNatsuDragnel11h ago

Tbh Microsoft I think Bethesda being 3rd party same with Activision would probably more competitive than thus scenario imo

Profchaos9h ago(Edited 9h ago)

I think it would have been better for all parties really especially gamers

TheColbertinator10h ago

The recently purchased Activision French offices might take over all the licensing and marketing for Microsoft in France from now on.

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Sony Could Increase Your Game's Difficulty If It Sees You Complain About It

Sony has recently published a new patent that wants to dynamically handle the games' difficulty and gameplay based on the player's emotions.

jznrpg13h ago

This is something I might use. Sometimes I play some good games but they don’t have difficulty option and are a little too easy.

Profchaos13h ago

Souls games will be like that players struggling make it harder

PassNextquestion12h ago(Edited 12h ago)

I think if used correctly it could work well

jambola8h ago

cool idea
cool idea for horror games especially
the way it's explained here sounds like it could never be forced hopefully, so that's ok with me

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Xbox's Preservation Step Sets A Much-Needed Example, Especially For Nintendo

Hanzla from eXputer inquires: "If Xbox can care about preserving its games and legacy, what exactly is wrong with Nintendo, trying to kill game preservation single-handedly?"

purple10111d ago

Ahh yes the good old game preservation of saving all your games to a removable hhd on the Xbox 360, taking it round your mates house, setting up multiple tvs to
Be met with “save data corrupted, please re download”

Or how about removing 360 games
From the store
, download them now or else, and, better hope to god that save data doesn’t corrupt, or it’s lost for ever

Nice one ☝️

Zeref11d ago

It's better than what Nintendo and Playstation is doing. It might not be perfect but at least they are TRYING. Unlike the others.

DarXyde11d ago

Trying? Take off the blinders for a moment, mate.

1. A failure to preserve games is just that: a failure to preserve games. Don't try to sugarcoat it: NO ONE is doing it properly. Better than awful is nothing to write home about.

2. At the time of this comment, isn't it the case that you need an internet connection to play Xbox games even if you buy physical discs that are hardly in circulation anymore? I don't have a Series X and I can't verify, but I think that is correct. I'm fairly certain you can at least play PS5 games at version 1.0 (not much of a win really when many games require day one patches). I think Microsoft's all digital, licensing approach is by far more aggressive than anyone else's. They really try to push you to game pass where you lose your entire library by umm.... Skipping a month of payments.

I don't think anyone is doing it right whatsoever. Don't get me started on Nintendo, who goes after anyone looking to preserve their games better than they ever would with extreme litigation.

Don't be a simp for any of these companies. Get it together.

PhillyDonJawn11d ago (Edited 11d ago )

@DarX never speak on Xbox again. You lost all credibility with your internet connection comment. Smh you have 0 clue and misinformed yet speaking on something you don't no squat about.

Einhander197210d ago

What has Sony done exactly? You guys keep deflecting to Sony but I am not actually seeing any results, and ai am certain nothing that you can come up with even comes close to what Microsoft has done and what they have tried and failed to do, like tie all your disks to your account on xbone.

Microsoft removed their whole indie section when they moved to the xbone because they were going to only allow games on the service that came from a publisher, id@xbox started after xbone launched and it only exists because Sony embraced indie and Microsoft was forced to cancel their plans and reverse course.

And every single game that was part of games for windows live including disk games (I have gta 4 on disk that won't work) so hundreds of games that use that DRM no longer work unless the company themselves patched it out which of course very few did.

MrBaskerville10d ago

Not trying. Tried. they killed of the backcomp program years ago. They set something up again, but sounds like it's more of an attempt to save the current library on whatever they are planning next. With luck they save everything and more, but let's see. I could see them killing off parts of the OG xbox and 360 libraries. Can't imagine that they would allow us to play Forza 5-7 in the future.

With that said, I do like what they've done and really wish they could have done more.

shinoff218310d ago

Zeref

So killing off physical media is trying what exactly. Ms don't really give a fk if you think they do your kidding yourself.

Profchaos10d ago

They are not trying this team is established for forward compatability the team is. It interested in preserving Xbox or 360 games.

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isarai11d ago

Is that why Hellblade 2 is digital only?

Zeref11d ago

Just because it's digital only doesn't mean you can't preserve it. Just put it on an external and you have the exact same functionality of what a disc does.

MrNinosan11d ago

Guess you're trolling, but if you actually think that's how it works, I'd recommend buying some braincells.

mkis00710d ago (Edited 10d ago )

Volitile vs nonvolitile data. A disc will not corrupt either. A drive can be corrupted.

Einhander197211d ago

This is just a scammy PR move to distract from the fact they are going digital only and trying to push streaming and subscriptions only.

No gaming company has pushed harder to remove ownership than Microsoft.

Without discs there is no preservation, preservation can't be done by the rights holders it can only be done by the consumers, anything else is a lie.

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Einhander197211d ago

Anyone remember xblig which Microsoft removed their whole 360 indie section removing hundreds of games from people?

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Zeref11d ago

Do you know you can put your games on an external and preserve them that way? There are no benefits to discs. ZERO. Idk why some of you are still obsessed with them.

DarXyde11d ago

Because games like Persona 5 exist. It's STILL V1.00. On Playstation, that's a win because 1.00 is installed on the disc—no need to download anything.

If a game does not require any updates, it's all on the disc.

Extremely low bar in the modern era, of course. It's not much of a win by any stretch.

But for now, physical media does have a purpose, at least on Playstation.

Einhander197210d ago

That is factually not how game licensing works, try plugging your hard drive into someone else xbox, It's not going to work, and it won't work if the licensing servers ever go down.

Einhander197210d ago

Anyone remember games for windows live.

I have around a dozen games, some on Steam itself that will not work because Microsoft shut off the licensing servers.

BehindTheRows10d ago (Edited 10d ago )

I do. I STILL have games (Gears of War being the big one) I cannot access because Games for Windows LIVE is total garbage and no one has held Microsoft accountable.

Zeref10d ago (Edited 10d ago )

You don't have an Xbox apparently. Because you can 100 percent plug in your external and play games from it on any Xbox console lol. You just have to be logged in to prove ownership.

Chevalier10d ago

"You don't have an Xbox apparently. Because you can 100 percent plug in your external and play games from it on any Xbox console lol. You just have to be logged in to prove ownership."

Damn how many times do people got to explain your idiocy to you? You can take a copy of Persona 5 like someone used as an example and play that game on ANY console WITHOUT logging in which means I can lend the game to a friend without internet and they can play my game. Can you lend your hard drive to anyone without logging in for them to play? NOPE. That is a huge difference and if you think otherwise then sorry you're an idiot.

Tacoboto10d ago

"No gaming company has pushed harder to remove ownership than Microsoft."

Ubisoft is literally erasing games people bought from their libraries... My PS1-3 discs are useless on modern hardware. Nintendo's re-published and resold almost their entire Wii U library, and the eShop is completely dead with no BC mechanism in the Switch software. Microsoft publishes everything they make today day one on Steam and Xbox/Windows. Sony only brings to PC the titles they think you might want some years later and Nintendo won't even design a functional long-lasting joystick.

You're absolutely trolling and not serious if you think Microsoft today is the worst offender.

shinoff218310d ago

Yay steam

Not everyone fks with computers though. The disc is still the best way as a console player. Period.

Tacoboto10d ago

How do Sony and Nintendo feel about these discs from 2001-2013?

Don't be stupid, you know Xbox is the best at this today.

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Hofstaderman11d ago

Nobody wants this. Sales or the lack of it in the case of XBOX is very telling. I wonder how the adorably all digital series X will fare. Adorably dismal perhaps?

crazyCoconuts10d ago

Only time will tell, but for from someone like me suspecting that Xbox is trying to gracefully exit the console market, that "forward compatibility" team is trying to get Xbox games playing on Windows PCs. I mean, it's nice that they're not planning on exiting with a "enjoy your games while the hardware still works" message, so that's nice. They still have a brand to protect via Microsoft so probably feel obligated to have a better exit strategy.

Xeofate10d ago (Edited 10d ago )

That is not their plan, their plan is to transfer users accounts to the cloud.

Phil Spencer himself said as much a few months back, plans could have changed but I think people are reading way too much into one statement where Phil said he would allow Epic on xbox because he wants to be able to sell xbox games directly on other platforms. Aka, instead of selling Sea of Thives through PSN he wants to have an xbox store to sell his games on PlayStation without giving PlayStation any money.

Again, it's extremely unlikely that Phil plans to put PC on xbox and licensing would prevent them from just giving out other publishers games purchased on xbox copies of thier games on PC, Microsoft does not own their games.

crazyCoconuts10d ago

The thing that doesn't align with the cloud strategy is the giving up on exclusives. You'd still need strong exclusives for cloud streaming - it's still a "platform" , just with a lower upfront hardware investment. I feel like they've learned what PS learned with PSNow long ago. We're not ready to stream games and it's only gonna lose them money to try at this point

FinalFantasyFanatic10d ago

I would love that, I'd buy up some of the Xbox games if they could run on PC, like the Rare Replay, Lost Odyssey and Dead or Alive Ultimate, probably a pipe dream though.

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