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Only 4 things Needed to make the Xbox 720 a Success

The Wii U has released, the PS4 had announced, the only thing left is the Xbox 720. With the success of the Xbox 360 there’s really only 4 things needed to make the Xbox 720 a success.

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Zuperman4044d ago (Edited 4044d ago )

games, which PS4 has plenty of.

greenpowerz4044d ago ShowReplies(13)
-Superman-4044d ago

1. Ability to Play Used Games - Maybe, but people still buy new console to play next gen games, not last.

2. Upgradable Console - never going to work. Game are all ported to same console. If console is upgradable, then it would be stupid, some people have more powerful console than others. How those games are going to work then? It´s only possible on PC, not consoles.

3. No Social Media Shenanigans - WHAT?

4. New IP’s (Developer Support) - It need alot games too, not only new IPs.

Fail article... nothing about online, nothing about games, nothing about power, nothing about price...
Just block social media, make console upgradable and then win console war? Sorry, but this is just stupid.

PhantomT14124044d ago

By "Ability to Play Used Games", it meant second-hand games, not last gen games.

MarkusMcNugen4043d ago

@-Superman-
"2. Upgradable Console - never going to work. Game are all ported to same console. If console is upgradable, then it would be stupid, some people have more powerful console than others. How those games are going to work then? It´s only possible on PC, not consoles."

So you are saying its not possible to have developers develop a game with two tiers in mind? It may be slight bit longer of development time, but I have to image the game could do a hardware check and increase the graphics quality if possible.

I dont have an opinion whether they should or shouldnt. Frankly I dont care, I just wanted to point out that it could be done, its not impossible as you said.

Zhipp4044d ago

This isn't a PS4 vs Nextbox article, so let's try not to start a war in the comments, eh?

Anyway, points 1 and 4 are right on the money, imo, but I disagree with 2 and 3. An upgradable console would result in a fragmented market. Devs would be forced to choose between using the extra power or catering to a larger audience. Wanna guess which choice they'd make? Besides, PC tech improvements have actually been slowing recently, so the whole point is moot.

As for point 3, social media is a big deal these days. The ability to easily share my gaming experiences with friends and family can only be a good thing. It's not like you HAVE to use the function, if you don't want to.

MarkusMcNugen4043d ago

"An upgradable console would result in a fragmented market. Devs would be forced to choose between using the extra power or catering to a larger audience."

I dont understand why people think its impossible for a game to check the hardware in the system and adjust accordingly. Its not as if they would have to chose one or the other. Its not as if PC developers have to make a game strictly for one piece of hardware. Most are adjustable, so why not a console game?

Reverent4043d ago (Edited 4043d ago )

@MarkusMcNugen, plain and simple , IT WON'T WORK. The N64 tried it back in the 90's with the upgradable RAM cartridge, and guess what... It didn't work. Here's the reason why...

People couldn't just buy the console and play every single game that would come out on it. A LOT of games would REQUIRE the RAM upgrade, forcing the consumer to buy an extra component for their console, otherwise, they couldn't play the game.

Now, I know we've made a lot of advancements in technology so this wouldn't play out the same way with future consoles, but regardless, it will STILL fragment the market. Consoles are meant to be easy to use; just plug in and play. If we start adding in complicated features like "upgradable parts", then why even bother with consoles and not just go with PC? And face it, a few exclusive titles, even if they're some of the greatest games ever, won't get the casual market consumer to decide which console to get unless it's a familiar game like Uncharted, Halo, or Call of Duty, and while yes, these games will surely be around next gen, tons of new IP's are going to be enter the race too, which will make decision making a lot harder, ESPECIALLY on the casual consumer. Why add in more features that could turn off potential customers?

AngelicIceDiamond4044d ago

Well there's 5 games that are highly likely to get shown off. Lion heads new Ip or Fable MMO game, cryteks Ryse, Alan Wake 2, Rares new Ip and Black Tusks new Ip.

Sony fanboys ignore this because you'll do what you do best and thats disagree, so ignore my comment.

TXIDarkAvenger4044d ago

This article is not relevant to PS4. So why bring it up? Oh that's right, trying to start a flame bait.

brave27heart4044d ago

"Only 4 things needed to make the Xbox 720 a success"

So assuming the next Xbox has these fours things it'll be a success? What about if its price point starts at $1000? Or it has new IPs but drops Halo, Gears and Forza? It allows used games but doubles the price of Xbox live?

These things are never going to happen, but my point is it takes a multitude of things to come together to be a success, not just four features.

Skizelli4043d ago

Here's my list:

1. More first party titles. Way, way more.
2. Free online play.
3. No hardware failures.
4. ???
5. Profit.

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Godmars2904044d ago

No. Consoles were never meant to be upgradable. That's what PCs are for.

The minute you start messing with specs post launch there's only going to be compatibility problems.

MikeMyers4044d ago

1. Good software

2. Decent hardware

3. Reasonable price

4. Good marketing

Those are 4 main key areas I can think of. Of course free access to online gaming, good relations with publishrers and indie developers, exclusive content, and new gameplay experiences can help too.

Transporter474044d ago

1: show the hardware or say specs
2: announce it
3: doesn't block used games
4: have as many features as PS4 or try to.

_-EDMIX-_4044d ago

1.Go back in time and buy developers and open up some studios

2.pretend that blocking used games was a joke to throw off the media LOL!

3. TV apps that 5 to 6 people care about

4. Forget Kinect was made and make it a bullet point not more then half of the damn show!

5.PGR5 reveal, Halo teaser and some new IP's damn it!

Zhipp4044d ago

1. M$ has a lot of studios, and they've already opened up a couple more. Time travel wont be necessary. :)

2. M$ hasn't made any official comments on blocking used games, have they? SO, technically, they could just ignore the whole thing. Of course, if they DO block them, then that's it. The console's dead.

3. I agree.

4. I hate to say it, but Kinect is here to stay. I am hoping that they somehow manage to find a hardcore usage for it, though. Crossing my fingers for Crytek's game.

5. PGR is M$? Did they even bother releasing any games in that series for the 360?

_-EDMIX-_4044d ago

@Zhipp'z

1. Name a few that where opened up for core games other then Black Tusk studios and someone might care. I know of the studios MS have opened up.....they are ONLY Kinect studios. Find one some and maybe I'll believe you LOL!

2.At this point they don't need to, the same people who are telling use about 720, told us about PS4 and Wii U and where they wrong?

3.LOL, now both of us know thats going to happen

4.Kinect is for casual, MS will try to force it down our throats like usual.

5.PGR is MS, I say this because it makes sense to launch with a arcade racer because it has MASS appeal vs a sim racer. I mean I love GT but really, GT is not a game for everone, neither is Forza, but more people can pick up and play Motorstorm, PGR, Driveclub etc

And they didn't because of what was said in 1. They don't own Bizarre Creations anymore, I'm hoping Turn 10 is working on a PGR for 720 cause they are the only team that could pull it off at MS right now.

MarkusMcNugen4043d ago

@_-EDMIX-_
"2.At this point they don't need to, the same people who are telling use about 720, told us about PS4 and Wii U and where they wrong?"

Yes. They were. There were a bunch of rumors floating around and tons of them were wrong.

Gamer-404044d ago (Edited 4044d ago )

Ps4/new Xbox/WiiU all success, different people, different games, different consoles.
Console wars boring. Games important.

LordHiggens4044d ago

Read this sentence in the voice of Mordin Solus, it's hilarious.

also you're right.

Eldyraen4044d ago

It is written a lot like he talks, lol.

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Xbox Is Not Your Friend

After laying off almost 2,000 people, Xbox finds itself in a position at odds with the community-first image it has cultivated for itself.

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TwoPicklesGood3h ago

lol I’m not a big MS gamer but Sony and a number of others have laid off ton of people as well. Where are the ridiculous articles about them not being your friend? Gaming news is such a joke and these sites wonder why they have to beg for money/patreons or flood with 5x more ads.

Profchaos2h ago

I think the sentiment is corporations are there to make money they are not out friends that are harsh and cutthroat when lt comes to the bottom line so why do we proclaim our love for any gaming company from the rooftops when they wouldn't care about us unless we are buying the next thing.

We need to beore objective with how we view these "teams"

Gridknac1h ago

This is the absolute truth. The only part of you these companies, ALL companies, want to be friends with is your bank account. They don't care what they have to say, who's job they have to cut, or what shady underhandedness they must engage in. Bottom line is all that matters.

Vits41m ago

Because people unfortunately make these companies and products part of their own persona, so when they are scrutinized, they see it as an attack on themselves. There is some neuropsychological research around this phenomenon, but it basically has the same effect as religion. It helps foster a sense of community that humans need to feel comfortable. So that is not happening unless we have a sudden surge of people actually understanding how they work and taking control of themselves.

Magatsuhi36m ago

While it's true Sony isn't a friend either, let's not pretend that they're even in the same ballpark as MS's anti consumer practices. Sony is not a friend but atleast they're not an enemy like MS.

derek1h ago

@twopickles, were you not paying attention? Sony was heavily criticized when they laid off people weeks ago, more than Microsoft did with their massive abk layoffs.

Gamingsince19811h ago

I want to know who thought Xbox was community first anyway lmfao

ChasterMies13m ago

That’s Whataboutism. Sony and other game companies didn’t pay more than $80B to buy up publishers. Microsoft said in court that it wasn’t going to have redundancies and fire people. Microsoft told Xbox owners that they would have a AAA on GamePass each quarter. But here we are with Microsoft Game Studios shrinking. Consolidation doesn’t benefit the consumer, and no company has consolidated more than Microsoft.

BehindTheRows9m ago(Edited 8m ago)

Exactly. They love their SonyToo instead of looking at everything in its totality. You spend $80B to buy up so many pubs/devs, you damn well should have something to show for it.

That said, this article is old and someone is clearly looking for clicks!

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cthulhucultist2h ago

ok here is a reality check. Tech companies have been firing thousands of employees the last couple of years.

I find it odd that the percentage of employees sacked from MS

QUOTE
"Microsoft announced approximately 1,900 job cuts across its gaming division, including Activision Blizzard, ZeniMax, and Xbox. 8.6% of its colossal 22,000-strong global workforce. "

is worth writing an article condemning the company, when Sony Interactive fired 8% of its workforce (900 people approximately).

https://news.crunchbase.com...

Is the writer concerned about the percentage of the workforce fired or the number of employees?

Lets not forget that Unity laid off 25 percent of its workforce (1800 people) and Discord laid off 17 percent of its employees.

You also have to take into account the AI issue reported in the article. MS is heavily invested in A.I. They have invested in Open A.I (chatgpt 4+Dalle 3), in Abu Dhabi’s G42 and in French AI company Mistral.

These LLMs have already replaced thousands of jobs as A.I usage becomes more common

https://www.cbsnews.com/new...
https://www.theverge.com/20...
https://tech.co/news/compan...

This is the new reality. Even nvidia CEO said that games will fully A.I generated.

https://www.pcgamer.com/sof...

Nevertheless, no company should be ever viewed as "your friend". MS had numerous anti consumer practices in place and the same is true for Sony (not only in video game space) and Nintendo (60$ dollar games without permanent discounts, remasters of 10 year old game with full price, no console price cuts, expensive joy cons which are prone to drift, to name but a few).

Popsicle1h ago

Must be. Thought it to be common knowledge that no corporation is your friend.

rippermcrip1h ago

Xbox had a community-first image? Since when?

shaenoide1h ago

Any given company is not "friendly"...

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Microsoft Seemingly Closes Bethesda France

As part of its plans to cut 1,900 jobs, Microsoft has reportedly shut down operations at Bethesda France, letting go roughly 15 people

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Hereandthere14h ago

Microsoft should have left them stay 3rd party

GamerRN12h ago

If they are let go, they can be whatever they want. They ARE 3rd party now... 🤦

Barlos9h ago

Yeah, they're also jobless.

GamerRN2h ago

They can form a company if they want, they are just as jobless as if "Microsoft had left them as 3rd party".

peppeaccardo4h ago

"MIcrosoft leaves Bethesda do what they know how to do best" ... close! Oh the irony ....
(Citation from a week old article)

ChasterMies18m ago

I think Microsoft and other game publishers are letting people go because they think ai will replace them. Doesn’t matter how much profit they make. They were always going to be let go.

PassNextquestion14h ago(Edited 14h ago)

Bethesda France was made up of roughly 15 people... they couldn't of being doing much

Bethesda France mainly did publishing and marketing within the region

blacktiger12h ago

that's a shame for you to say that, i'm sure Elite loves hearing what you just said.

Profchaos14h ago(Edited 14h ago)

Bethesda France focused on publishing and marketing in the region. And 15 people lost their jobs as part of the closure.

I wonder if this is part of Microsoft's strategy to abandoned physical media or possibly gamepass advertising makes their roles redundant you don't need to market a game as hard when the majority of players get the game as part of a sub which already promoted upcoming games

Tacoboto13h ago

It's France too, there's a high likelihood only 1-2 people on the team even had an Xbox.

Profchaos13h ago

Possibly guven all the leaks we know the Xbox brand is really struggling in the region.

Yi-Long10h ago

Well, if your consoles and games are barely found in any stores any more, of course you're gonna struggle finding consumers ...

XiNatsuDragnel12h ago

Tbh Microsoft I think Bethesda being 3rd party same with Activision would probably more competitive than thus scenario imo

Profchaos11h ago(Edited 11h ago)

I think it would have been better for all parties really especially gamers

TheColbertinator12h ago

The recently purchased Activision French offices might take over all the licensing and marketing for Microsoft in France from now on.

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Xbox's Preservation Step Sets A Much-Needed Example, Especially For Nintendo

Hanzla from eXputer inquires: "If Xbox can care about preserving its games and legacy, what exactly is wrong with Nintendo, trying to kill game preservation single-handedly?"

purple10111d ago

Ahh yes the good old game preservation of saving all your games to a removable hhd on the Xbox 360, taking it round your mates house, setting up multiple tvs to
Be met with “save data corrupted, please re download”

Or how about removing 360 games
From the store
, download them now or else, and, better hope to god that save data doesn’t corrupt, or it’s lost for ever

Nice one ☝️

Zeref11d ago

It's better than what Nintendo and Playstation is doing. It might not be perfect but at least they are TRYING. Unlike the others.

DarXyde11d ago

Trying? Take off the blinders for a moment, mate.

1. A failure to preserve games is just that: a failure to preserve games. Don't try to sugarcoat it: NO ONE is doing it properly. Better than awful is nothing to write home about.

2. At the time of this comment, isn't it the case that you need an internet connection to play Xbox games even if you buy physical discs that are hardly in circulation anymore? I don't have a Series X and I can't verify, but I think that is correct. I'm fairly certain you can at least play PS5 games at version 1.0 (not much of a win really when many games require day one patches). I think Microsoft's all digital, licensing approach is by far more aggressive than anyone else's. They really try to push you to game pass where you lose your entire library by umm.... Skipping a month of payments.

I don't think anyone is doing it right whatsoever. Don't get me started on Nintendo, who goes after anyone looking to preserve their games better than they ever would with extreme litigation.

Don't be a simp for any of these companies. Get it together.

PhillyDonJawn11d ago (Edited 11d ago )

@DarX never speak on Xbox again. You lost all credibility with your internet connection comment. Smh you have 0 clue and misinformed yet speaking on something you don't no squat about.

Einhander197211d ago

What has Sony done exactly? You guys keep deflecting to Sony but I am not actually seeing any results, and ai am certain nothing that you can come up with even comes close to what Microsoft has done and what they have tried and failed to do, like tie all your disks to your account on xbone.

Microsoft removed their whole indie section when they moved to the xbone because they were going to only allow games on the service that came from a publisher, id@xbox started after xbone launched and it only exists because Sony embraced indie and Microsoft was forced to cancel their plans and reverse course.

And every single game that was part of games for windows live including disk games (I have gta 4 on disk that won't work) so hundreds of games that use that DRM no longer work unless the company themselves patched it out which of course very few did.

MrBaskerville10d ago

Not trying. Tried. they killed of the backcomp program years ago. They set something up again, but sounds like it's more of an attempt to save the current library on whatever they are planning next. With luck they save everything and more, but let's see. I could see them killing off parts of the OG xbox and 360 libraries. Can't imagine that they would allow us to play Forza 5-7 in the future.

With that said, I do like what they've done and really wish they could have done more.

shinoff218310d ago

Zeref

So killing off physical media is trying what exactly. Ms don't really give a fk if you think they do your kidding yourself.

Profchaos10d ago

They are not trying this team is established for forward compatability the team is. It interested in preserving Xbox or 360 games.

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isarai11d ago

Is that why Hellblade 2 is digital only?

Zeref11d ago

Just because it's digital only doesn't mean you can't preserve it. Just put it on an external and you have the exact same functionality of what a disc does.

MrNinosan11d ago

Guess you're trolling, but if you actually think that's how it works, I'd recommend buying some braincells.

mkis00710d ago (Edited 10d ago )

Volitile vs nonvolitile data. A disc will not corrupt either. A drive can be corrupted.

Einhander197211d ago

This is just a scammy PR move to distract from the fact they are going digital only and trying to push streaming and subscriptions only.

No gaming company has pushed harder to remove ownership than Microsoft.

Without discs there is no preservation, preservation can't be done by the rights holders it can only be done by the consumers, anything else is a lie.

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Einhander197211d ago

Anyone remember xblig which Microsoft removed their whole 360 indie section removing hundreds of games from people?

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Zeref11d ago

Do you know you can put your games on an external and preserve them that way? There are no benefits to discs. ZERO. Idk why some of you are still obsessed with them.

DarXyde11d ago

Because games like Persona 5 exist. It's STILL V1.00. On Playstation, that's a win because 1.00 is installed on the disc—no need to download anything.

If a game does not require any updates, it's all on the disc.

Extremely low bar in the modern era, of course. It's not much of a win by any stretch.

But for now, physical media does have a purpose, at least on Playstation.

Einhander197211d ago

That is factually not how game licensing works, try plugging your hard drive into someone else xbox, It's not going to work, and it won't work if the licensing servers ever go down.

Einhander197211d ago

Anyone remember games for windows live.

I have around a dozen games, some on Steam itself that will not work because Microsoft shut off the licensing servers.

BehindTheRows11d ago (Edited 11d ago )

I do. I STILL have games (Gears of War being the big one) I cannot access because Games for Windows LIVE is total garbage and no one has held Microsoft accountable.

Zeref10d ago (Edited 10d ago )

You don't have an Xbox apparently. Because you can 100 percent plug in your external and play games from it on any Xbox console lol. You just have to be logged in to prove ownership.

Chevalier10d ago

"You don't have an Xbox apparently. Because you can 100 percent plug in your external and play games from it on any Xbox console lol. You just have to be logged in to prove ownership."

Damn how many times do people got to explain your idiocy to you? You can take a copy of Persona 5 like someone used as an example and play that game on ANY console WITHOUT logging in which means I can lend the game to a friend without internet and they can play my game. Can you lend your hard drive to anyone without logging in for them to play? NOPE. That is a huge difference and if you think otherwise then sorry you're an idiot.

Tacoboto10d ago

"No gaming company has pushed harder to remove ownership than Microsoft."

Ubisoft is literally erasing games people bought from their libraries... My PS1-3 discs are useless on modern hardware. Nintendo's re-published and resold almost their entire Wii U library, and the eShop is completely dead with no BC mechanism in the Switch software. Microsoft publishes everything they make today day one on Steam and Xbox/Windows. Sony only brings to PC the titles they think you might want some years later and Nintendo won't even design a functional long-lasting joystick.

You're absolutely trolling and not serious if you think Microsoft today is the worst offender.

shinoff218310d ago

Yay steam

Not everyone fks with computers though. The disc is still the best way as a console player. Period.

Tacoboto10d ago

How do Sony and Nintendo feel about these discs from 2001-2013?

Don't be stupid, you know Xbox is the best at this today.

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Hofstaderman11d ago

Nobody wants this. Sales or the lack of it in the case of XBOX is very telling. I wonder how the adorably all digital series X will fare. Adorably dismal perhaps?

crazyCoconuts11d ago

Only time will tell, but for from someone like me suspecting that Xbox is trying to gracefully exit the console market, that "forward compatibility" team is trying to get Xbox games playing on Windows PCs. I mean, it's nice that they're not planning on exiting with a "enjoy your games while the hardware still works" message, so that's nice. They still have a brand to protect via Microsoft so probably feel obligated to have a better exit strategy.

Xeofate10d ago (Edited 10d ago )

That is not their plan, their plan is to transfer users accounts to the cloud.

Phil Spencer himself said as much a few months back, plans could have changed but I think people are reading way too much into one statement where Phil said he would allow Epic on xbox because he wants to be able to sell xbox games directly on other platforms. Aka, instead of selling Sea of Thives through PSN he wants to have an xbox store to sell his games on PlayStation without giving PlayStation any money.

Again, it's extremely unlikely that Phil plans to put PC on xbox and licensing would prevent them from just giving out other publishers games purchased on xbox copies of thier games on PC, Microsoft does not own their games.

crazyCoconuts10d ago

The thing that doesn't align with the cloud strategy is the giving up on exclusives. You'd still need strong exclusives for cloud streaming - it's still a "platform" , just with a lower upfront hardware investment. I feel like they've learned what PS learned with PSNow long ago. We're not ready to stream games and it's only gonna lose them money to try at this point

FinalFantasyFanatic10d ago

I would love that, I'd buy up some of the Xbox games if they could run on PC, like the Rare Replay, Lost Odyssey and Dead or Alive Ultimate, probably a pipe dream though.

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