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Microsoft Dictates Gaming's Future

Big Box Gaming looks at the possibility of Microsoft eliminating used game sales and what that attempt might mean for gamers in the coming generation of consoles. Regardless of if it's sucessful or not.

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Gazondaily4049d ago

Let's hope it's like this gen; everybody's game. All the better for us.

s45gr324048d ago

An improvement from this generation rather than the same as this generation. Which was all Microsoft not everybody's game except for valve.

SilentNegotiator4048d ago (Edited 4048d ago )

It was definitely closer than the 6th generation, in which Ps2 sales were unbelievable and everyone else's sales were fairly miserable.

Knight_Crawler4049d ago

The internet will explode come E3 and N4G will be down due to the madness that will follow after the 720 shows us what they have in store for next gen.

I think people are underestimating what MS will show at E3 and will be blown away by the 720. The fact that MS has the specs well protected is saying that MS does not want Sony or Nintendo to copy what they are doing and want to be different next gen as this will determine which console people will buy - this gen offering from both MS and Sony was almost similar but next gen expect the 720 and the PS4 to be two different beast.

nix4049d ago

or nothing might happen...

mcstorm4048d ago

I agree. No one knew what to expect from Sony or Nintendo before they decided to show us what they had and I hope your right about Sony and Microsoft doing something different as this will give more people a reason to own all 3 consoles to.

I have a Wiiu and although its lacking games at the mo I've been impressed with it. I also can't wait to get Lego city next week. The Wiiu has faults but the 360 and ps3 did when they came out and the ps4 and next Xbox will do to but I can't wait to get my hands on what Sony and Microsoft have to offer us.

I think one thing the next Xbox will do is bring windows 8 windows phone 8 and home console even close together than they are now.

Clarence4048d ago (Edited 4048d ago )

Seriously M$ doesn't want Sony or Nintendo to copy what their doing?
M$ copies everything. I'm not saying that the 720 will be garbage, but M$ is not known to be innovative.

There are no visionaries at that company. When you have the head of the company saying " I want us to be more like Apple."
http://www.neowin.net/news/...

If you want to know what the next Xbox will do, just look at Sony, Apple, and Nintendo. M$ will try to capture the essence of each one of those companies, and
show it off like they came up with it out thin air.

As far as this gen offering from Sony and M$ being similar..
M$ didn't have bluray, hdmi ports, changeable hard drive, wifi, Internet surfing, 7.1 surround sound and free online.

Again how is that similar?

s45gr324048d ago

While I agree I just see Microsoft creating new ways to fee up gamers after all gamers love fees. Free is bad

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andreasx4048d ago

We lost this guy to microsofts brainwashing :( he was a good soldier...

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hay4049d ago

I sure hope next gen will be indie's game. With PS development being more dev friendly like Microsoft's, and MS probably pushing XNA even further. New golden age of gaming should arrive soon.

Bladesfist4049d ago (Edited 4049d ago )

XNA has been discontinued.
http://www.gamasutra.com/vi...

PeaSFor4048d ago

"and MS probably pushing XNA even further. "

not sure if serious....

TheSauce4048d ago

MS probably has something in store for indies next gen

Those Minecraft $$$ have to be making some kind of impact on MS

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ALLWRONG4048d ago

MS has new indie tools for next gen. It makes no sense for MS to use the same XNA tools for next gen.

Try harder Sony guys.

Bladesfist4048d ago (Edited 4048d ago )

@edonus Serious? I develop games as a hobby and plenty of other people like me exist. Tools like Unity and UDK are already very easy to use. Anyone could work with them. What part is a complicated process?

@ALLWRONG I'm a PC Gamer

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NeverEnding19894049d ago

M$ hasn't done a single thing and they've already stolen almost all the hype SONY produced with the PS4 unveiling. It'll be interesting to see N4G explode when M$ actually confirms the existence of the 720, let alone the many, many rumours flying around.

DigitalRaptor4049d ago

Sorry, I'm failing to see this "theft" of hype.

All I've seen is negative rumours - if you're hyped after negativity, what use are you to this industry?

Root4049d ago (Edited 4049d ago )

Sorry but how have they stolen the PS4 hype

....the rumors so far about the Nextbox doesn't make me excited for it. If they are true then it would make me want to buy a PS4 first.

I don't get how your type of "gamers" can say such things about MS when they don't seem to give a crap about the gaming community or the industry over the past few years. Why support someone so much who doesn't care for you, I mean I know Nintendo and Sony don't care for me as a person, I could die tomorrow and you wouldn't see them shed a tear or leave a flower on my grave but as a gamer they've supported me much more then MS.

GribbleGrunger4049d ago (Edited 4049d ago )

I'm sorry but the rumoured specs and abilities have only overshadowed the PS4 info in a negative way. I'm not saying that the rumours are true -- in fact I doubt them myself -- but trust me, if you go to sites like Gaff you'll see that the majority of people are NOT welcoming these rumours at all with many people basing their next purchase (The PS4) on them even though these are still only rumours.

Microsoft need to get that 'real' information out there and do it fast because if they don't, regardless of whether the rumours are true or not, people will always 'assume' the worse and opt for the PS4 instead.

Like I said, I don't believe them myself, but your interpretation of 'buzz' is completely different from the reality that is currently spreading through the internet ... unless you are happy with the negative exposure that the 720 is getting? I doubt that though and it seems to me that you may be inadvertently cherry picking the info that suits your comment.

Here's what is now commonly understood:

The 720 is weaker than the PS4
The 720 will block used games
The 720 won't work unless it's always online
The 720 needs Kinect to work
The 720 requires full installs of all games

All the above could be absolute nonsense but that is the information that is being discussed. Hardly a great way of grabbing the headlines, I'm sure you'd have to agree.

gabescow4049d ago

Agreed, not too much positive info for MS so far.

Jek_Porkins4049d ago

Microsoft doesn't need to come out in a panic to deny or announce anything right now. They should stick to their plan, they are getting a ton of press, even if it's bogus press invented to try and lure them into speaking about the Xbox 720.

There is no such thing as bad publicity, in a time when the PS4 has already been announced, the Xbox 720 is dominating based off pure rumor and speculation, doesn't matter if it's negative or not, it's what people are talking about, which means everyone will be even more likely to tune in and see what Microsoft has to offer when they finally decide to show it off.

Nobody is going to opt for a PS4 based on negative rumors, and the PS4 isn't even available for pre-order yet, so there is plenty of time for Microsoft to do what they do best, spend money on marketing and put on a big show for the people.

MysticStrummer4048d ago

"There is no such thing as bad publicity"

So ridiculous and untrue. When word spreads about a bad movie, people won't go see it, or they'll at least wait for it to hit Netflix or some kind of rental. When word spreads about a bad game, people won't buy it. Hell word about a game can spread months before it even releases, and it will have an impact on sales. Look at Dead Space 3. It's a great game if you take it for what it is, but word spread that it was more action oriented than horror so it sold poorly.

Gribble is right. All these rumors could turn out to be false, but the longer MS lets them hang out there, the more people will go with PS4 instead. I see this topic being discussed in the forums of non-gaming sites, and the reaction has been universally negative. Most gamers don't want what MS is rumored to be doing. The only place I see positive reactions, or even a "let's wait and see" attitude about it, is here on N4G. False rumors still persist about both PS3 and 360 after all this time, some positive and some negative, so some rumors do stick in people's minds. So far Sony has only benefited from what MS is doing.

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slampunk4048d ago (Edited 4048d ago )

I agree with what you've said @gribble but sony fans should look closer to home as well. The PS4 will be similar in a lot of ways.

"The 720 is weaker than the PS4" i believe this is true but wont be much. i expect MS to be the cheaper console to compensate. All next gen needs to do is 1080P at "hopefully" 60FPS.

"The 720 will block used games" Except for PS4 games so will PS4 as it's not backwards compatible? Time will tell for MS....Gaikai will also charge a subscription, be tied to PS plus or charge per game.

"The 720 won't work unless it's always online" Gaikai , sharing etc...and basically all the new features sony fans have been celebrating require an "always on" connection to use. I'm sure it will work offline....

"The 720 needs Kinect to work" If it is inbuilt it's part of the system. I'm sure you'll be able to use the controller if you prefer too. Sony also sees Kinect as a huuugggeee threat or the wouldn't have made the new PS eye....Revealing it in Feb is proof of that....why would it be mandatory?

"The 720 requires full installs of all games" - PS3 / 360 installs games and it will certainly be an option for PS4 / 720....The HDD from what i've read can use the data at greater speed than from the disk....you will be able to remove a game once complete it and install again if required. Apparently you'll be able to play as it's installing so i cant see an issue? The question is whether it will have a code with each game?

People need to open their eyes and not be blinded by one company.....Both companies want you to be connected to the internet whilst gaming for obvious reasons....installs make sense if it's quicker for the console to access data etc...

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GribbleGrunger4048d ago

Well, yes, I agree, but we are discussing the 720 here and I'm answering a particular poster who thinks the current rumours are actually a 'good' thing. That's the only reason I posted those rumours up. Like I said, I don't personally believe them.

ArmrdChaos4048d ago (Edited 4048d ago )

Sensible statements Slampunk. Unfortunately here at N4G egos need to eat...just like flies on dung.

GribbleGrunger4048d ago

It's not a sensible response at all. We are replying to a fan of MS who claims that the recent rumours are stealing Sony's thunder. It does not matter whether Sony are doing the same, we are addressing ONE posters view on negative press. I simply then posted those up to show him why MOST people would not see it as 'hype' but rather as yet more reasons to pick another console. This has nothing to do with fanboyism or bias, it's to do with the posters odd interpretation of all the negative press. Can we please stop polarizing every damned conversation just to maintain people's status quo. Sometimes opinions are just opinions you know.

ichimaru4048d ago

No response policy means they don't address rumors. the only people affect by the rumor mill right now are people running online and actively searching gaming sites for news\rumors. I think its funny that they've remained this silent, Makes me more confident in what they have brewing. if they came out to "defend" themselves they'd be admitting they even have a console

ArmrdChaos4048d ago (Edited 4048d ago )

In response to Gribble...his responses to your individual bullet points were sensible. Until MS releases information it is nothing more than conjecture and his answers are no more stronger/weaker than yours. The second part of my statement was directed at the general nature of this site...especially when it comes to who is better than who subject material.

GribbleGrunger4048d ago

Fair enough, ArmrdChaos, I apologise for misinterpreting your comment. I just find it frustrating when trying to answer a specific issue and at the same time people veer off in all directions lol.

MikeMyers4048d ago

ichimaru,

1. MS could come out and react to the PS4 announcement by showing the next Xbox right away but that would show signs of desperation

2. MS could reply to the rumors but that would lead to more questions about the new Xbox which they are obviously not ready to reveal just yet

3. MS can just let the rumors run wild until they are ready to make an official announcement

I think they are smart to just stay on course. The PS4 reveal shouldn't matter to them right now. They can learn from the reactions but nothing has been sold so far. All this talk about the PS4 on the internet doesn't mean they will all translate into sales. Pre-orders sound very positive but again there is no pricing in place and no word on the next Xbox. Granted some people will get one regardless of price and some people will ignore the new Xbox no matter what MS does.

The thing is the forums don't show trends in real consumer demand. If that were the case here then Vita would have sold much better and Call of Duty would have sold much worse.

I can only speak for myself and I had no desire to buy Kinect but 24 million others did. Right now the PS4 is on the top of my list but again that is only coming from the small information we have seen so far. I don't have a list of all launch games. I don't know the final pricing. I don't know what the network or membership fess if any will be. I don't even know if all games will even be in 1080p native resolution or if games will continue to struggle at 30fps again. These early demos we've seen don't mean much until the final product comes out. There's always a frenzy of hype surround a new system. Then reality sets in and the network craps out, games get delayed, games need major updates, and so on. That's why I am in no rush to make any decision.

I've said it before but Microsoft needs to prove to me they are serious. They need to show me the goods and not hide behind demos and words. If they want to control the living room with a cable set-top box that also plays games and other services like music libraries and exclusive deals with UFC and all that, that's fine. I'm looking for a game experience first and foremost. I'm not going to pay a monthly fee to have all of that cloud my gaming needs. I'm also not going to support a new version of Kinect if its forced into my games. If it can be done better with a controller then let the controller dominate. If it's more immersive and fun with Kinect then prove it.

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smashcrashbash4049d ago

You have to be joking.Gamers yelling 'Well I guess I am going to buy a Wii U or PS4 instead of a Next gen Xbox if this is true' is hype? In what dimension is that hype? People were all ready to condemn the PS4 if even one of the negative rumors were true and somehow now for Microsoft it is theft of hype? I mean there is only so much you can spin something.And with Microsoft not confirming or denying anything just makes it worse.People will be ready to kick their @$$es especially if the used game blocking rumor is true.You should be hoping it isn't and not boasting about it.

ichimaru4048d ago

because microsoft hasn't acknowleged their next console exist. It's like you telling me your not having a child, and I keep asking if its a boy.

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PS4isKing_824049d ago

Oh really? I suppose that's why all the devs can't stop praising the ps4 and why the ps3 is getting kingdom hearts hd, FFX and X2 HD, drakengard 3 all exclusive From square enix and now more new exclusive game reveals next week from sega.

But ya ur right, Xbox has all the hype. Silly me. Whatever was I thinking.

YodaCracker4048d ago (Edited 4048d ago )

Developers cannot praise a console that they are not yet allowed to acknowledge the existence of.

Cocozero4049d ago

Its true, all 720 stories are a lot "hotter" than the PS4 stories on N4G so even on a site with 98% Sony fanboys the 720 is more of interest to them.

When it gets announced expect crashes.

puamdefokejpn4048d ago

Hotter yes,.. because we are all afraid it will be a total crap and news indicate that.

BitbyDeath4048d ago

'When it gets announced expect crashes.'

You think they'll put it back in again?

http://th30.photobucket.com...

greenpowerz4048d ago (Edited 4048d ago )

The attention the 720 gets and the tactic of trying to negatively shape opinion of the 720 in a hopelessly futile effort will backfire big time.

When MSFT announces the opposite of what the anti MSFT rumors have been saying with a mind blowing console and mind blowing service offerings, that will cause more attention/praise/support/hype/ media-saving-facing-talk than the 720 simply being announced without all the attacks and manufactured controversy.(I'd be surprised if anybody will be talking about PS4 when the 720 is announced thanks to S.D.F.)

I mean they're are clearly panicking, when people are making up story after story in a negative light about features that allows auto functionality because the 720 stays *always connected* if it detects the web allowing things like remote access auto updating and never signing out etc

The standby feature attacks are even more moronic. Who would complain that their device can be controlled when it is off either with Kinect or remotely -Smartglass/PC etc-because it's *always on*

Who would misunderstand these features as being DRM or MSFT spying on you? Either mentally challenged people or folks purposely defying logic and reason as an excuse to attack.

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What devs were praising PS4 before it was revealed?
I think you just proved his point. Why has a console that has not even been announced getting so much attention on websites? You felt defensive about the attention of an announced console vs one that has not been announced when this shouldn't be the case. Now imagine when the 720 gets announced.

Thousands of xbox fans are patiently waiting for 720 info and even many more thousands of Sony fans patrolling the web every day at every hour waiting for 720 news. What do you think will happen when the rest of the world knows the new xbox is coming for sure?

N4G is the FOX NEWS of gaming

Alos884049d ago

"M$ hasn't done a single thing and they've already stolen almost all the hype SONY produced with the PS4 unveiling"
Said no one ever.

Valkyre4049d ago

you are the most retarded individual of this month. Congratulations.

MysticStrummer4049d ago (Edited 4049d ago )

@NeverEnding1989 - Your comment is proof of a parallel universe. All MS has done is allow rumors to exist which make the PS4 look more attractive. They haven't stolen any of Sony's hype with that strategy, they've only enhanced it. N4G will only explode if most of the rumors turn out to be wrong and 720 turns out to be more powerful, which will be ironic since power hasn't mattered to the 360 fans.

From the article - "One theory is that Microsoft could include the ability to play used games as a paid service, which for me is the best case scenario. Because it means they aren’t going to completely kill used games right off the bat."

Paying to play used games is a best case scenario...? Incredible. I feel sorry for the MS faithful, but because of them I feel sorry for gaming as a whole. Paying to play online was/is ok with them, so the gaming industry is searching for other ways to sell us what we should already own when we buy a game. Thanks a lot, meatheads. None of you should complain for one second about things like Online Passes, or anything similar. You and MS opened that door.

andreasx4048d ago

Ignore this moron, he's been a neverending troll since 1989

shutUpAndTakeMyMoney4048d ago (Edited 4048d ago )

""M$ hasn't done a single thing and they've already stolen almost all the hype SONY produced with the PS4 unveiling."

One question.. Can you prove this?

360 can't even beat ps3 around the world on a so I think people are hyped for ps4.

Back to your miserable life and enjoy kinect 2 and online drm.

HonestDragon4048d ago

Wait, when exactly have Microsoft stolen any hype from Sony's press conference? If anything, the only thing that has been generated from Microsoft and their next console is negativity. Everything from DRM to blocking used games to online passes have made the next Microsoft console sound unappealing to most people. I really doubt that MS will benchmark anything that could really grab consumers' attention.

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gabescow4049d ago

I doubt a lot of this info has made its way outside of the "hardcore gaming community" but Sony definitely has the better type of hype going for it right now. I would think Microsoft's reveal would start getting people talking in a good way, but their focus so far seems off target this next gen...we'll see.

fei-hung4049d ago

You will be surprised how quick these articles can spread via social networks!

gamertk4214049d ago

When the PS4 was announced, the rumors swirled about lack of memory, the end of used games, and no backward compability. Those were all debunked (maybe not entirely the 3rd one, as it is more of a workaround). The point is, all the negative surrounding the next Xbox might be false as well. All we can do is hope that most of them just aren't true. I'd prefer next gen to be about fairly equal machines and offerings from Sony and MS, but time will tell. The truth is out there.

Soldierone4048d ago

Not really. Lots of people will hopefully wake up and stop being fanboys if Ms decides to be greedy by blocking used games and all the "spy on you" crap comes true.

There is a line you dance around, those rumors are simply stomping on the line and laughing.

If MS does all this, then Sony jumps in, well guess what? Valve and others are sitting there saying "may we come into your home?"

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How to recruit Lam in Eiyuden Chronicle: Hundred Heroes

Lam is among the 120 characters available for recruitment in Eiyuden Chronicle: Hundred Heroes. While she is one of the many straightforward recruits, a known bug may prevent players from recruiting her if certain conditions are met. Despite developers’ assurances of fixing the bug, some early access players still encounter issues with recruiting Lam despite attempting the standard method.

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Tomb Raider Remastered just quietly censored one in-game detail

Tomb Raider 1-3 Remastered players are ticked off by the game’s most recent patch, which censors in-game pin-up posters of Lara Croft.

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rlow110h ago

This is why gaming is screwed. When people change things to fit someone’s agenda, it’s a slippery slope downhill.

Christopher9h ago(Edited 9h ago)

Even if that agenda is of the developer? Way to remove developer rights.

***One player called it a “huge problem with modern games,” saying they can now be “ruined AFTER people buy them”.***

The level of drama. Yes, I recall sitting there for more hours than I did anything else in the game. These two pinups are the core of the game, after all!

coolbeans8h ago(Edited 8h ago)

rlow1's cringe catastrophizing aside, I do think developers *ought* to strive to maintain an original work to the best of their ability. The language of a "remaster" tacitly implies that - for good or ill - what's being resold is what fans remember but better.

Profchaos8h ago

Games can be ruined after purchasing them yeah we know this not from this but from GTA IV which had half it's radio content patched out due to licensing expirations and to me that was a huge deal.

This pin up poster is a bit of nonsense but the whole argument of modern games can be ruined post launch is Absol true.

DedicatedDark7h ago(Edited 7h ago)

It's not their work to censor. They are incharge of restoration & remastering the work, not overwriting it.

Barlos6h ago

It's not the agenda of the developer though, they're pandering and trying to increase their ESG score.

Way to support censorship...

victorMaje6h ago

It’s not the end of the world for sure, but I understand the hate towards this kind of change. I believe it’s also a matter of principle.

Imagine a Picasso painting being restored & the restorer deciding there aren’t enough strokes, or some lines aren’t straight enough or curved enough…not sure it would/should sit well with people.

Have all original devs signed off on this change? Even if it’s the case, are we saying older gamers are better mentally equipped to process what was there than current gamers, hence the change?

Enough time ago the case was made that games are an art form. We’re supposed to have won that case.
So which is it? Are games art or not?

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Eidolon6h ago

Hasn't this been happened for over a decade since remasters? I can't see that it's any worse now. Maybe if Sweet Baby starts getting their hands on remasters we will definitely have a problem.

Rebel_Scum9h ago

tbh I dont see something like this as censorship. Does anyone else not find it strange for someone to stick pin ups of themsleves in a locker room?

Now of it was a pin up of some half naked firefighters it might make sense as Lara might like that, and if they removed that I would cry censorship. But removing pin ups of the main character, yeah I get it.

Barlos6h ago(Edited 6h ago)

It's a game, and they were placed there for the audience. It's not real life. If it was, she wouldn't have fought a T-Rex now would she?

Yes, it's censorship but it's a bit less in your face. If they were in the original game, then they should have been in the remasters. It's bad enough that they have that ridiculous unnecessary warning at the start, but then they start removing things post launch. I don't care how small the change, they shouldn't be doing it. It's nothing but ESG pandering but in a subtle way.

Rebel_Scum4h ago

Look bro, if you have pictures of yourself naked on a bear skin rug up in your house let me tell you, its not normal.

jambola3h ago

I wasn't aware censorship was based on what made sense to you

Rebel_Scum3h ago

Likewise, what a stupid comment.

jambola3h ago

I agree
Your comment was pretty stupid

Rebel_Scum2h ago

I never said censorship is based on what I say dumbass. Just because I dont see this as censorship doesnt mean I’m saying others cant.

How about you come at me with your opinion rather than snarky comments with no thought on the matter.

SimpleDad5h ago

By the year 2030, this remaster collection will totally be changed and censored. Probably will remove Lara as a playable character. It's ridiculous. Glad that my family didn't buy this.
I still have Tomb Raider 2 PS1 as a memory.

jambola3h ago

Those shorts are a little revealing
Should probably make them snow pants

Barlos3h ago

They'll probably make her trans

CobraKai5h ago

It’s mentioned in the article, and it’s a point i 100% agree with, it’s the fact that they can censor a game after you buy it. That’s total bullshit.

Killer2020UK4h ago

Whilst it's an overreaction to say this has "ruined" the game, it's still problematic that this has happened post launch and for many, post-purchase.

I don't want someone to change a product for the worse after I've bought it. The same goes for implementing micro transactions after reviews.

I wonder why they did this? Nobody was kicking up a fuss as far as I'm aware.

maykhausonninh4h ago

Nobody was kicking up a fuss as far as I'm aware.

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Final Fantasy III Pixel Remaster Review – You Are Your Job, Apparently

Gary Green said: In a time where an enhanced, 3D remake of Final Fantasy III already exists, it’s hard to argue that Final Fantasy III Pixel Remaster is the definitive version we were expecting. With Final Fantasy III already being the last in the series to be translated and make its way west, this is something of a slap in the face for the fans. Still, let’s not be disheartened. There may be many shortfalls in this edition of Final Fantasy III, however there’s no denying that this classic JRPG still holds some nostalgic value, even if it struggles to break away from its original hardware limitations.

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FACTUAL evidence10h ago(Edited 10h ago)

It’s funny I’m seeing these articles about pixel remaster, and I just platinumed 1-4 within 8 days lol. I’ve been on FF5 for about a week now. Let’s just say 5 was the start of FF having content like crazy. I should have the plat within 2-3 days.

MrBaskerville1h ago

The game being an accurate represantation of the original was not a slap in the face to the fans. The 3D remasters looked like ass (visually) tbh.