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Crytek: console companies could die off if they "go beyond what we say is next gen"

"It's just physically and financially impossible to go higher."
Never one to pass up the opportunity for a grand statement, Crytek's founder and CEO Cevat Yerli has told OXM that it would be "physically and financially impossible" to release a next generation Xbox that exceeds Crytek's own estimated specifications.

animegamingnerd4051d ago

you don't control the industry crytek

classic2004051d ago (Edited 4051d ago )

Crytek = the PC elitist of developers.

We are cool because the POWARFUL GRAFIX, you console devolopers follow in or lead with GRAFIX.

LackTrue4K4051d ago

never gana buy a Crytek game again....

BitbyDeath4051d ago

Will make an exception for TimeSplitters

Saigon4051d ago

Man Crytek is arrogant as hell...this is not the first time they did something like this...I am tired of them opening their mouths like they know everything. Just because you make one game that is brilliant in the technical aspect, does not mean you are the industry it man. Damn...

decrypt4051d ago (Edited 4051d ago )

Imo Console gamers are over reacting. Crytek speaks the truth.

Its an undeniable fact that this gen has been hard on both MS and Sony. More so Sony than MS.

Lets start with Sony:

All we have seen Sony do this gen is make losses. 5-10 years back, Sony were a market leader in TVs, Cameras, Camcorders, MP3 players and a host of other electronic devices. Today They have been beaten in most if not all those categories.

Even Sonys once successful console division, the PS2 was profitable from its 2nd year on wards. Which is why when they made the PS3, it was equal to mid range PCs at launch. Sony lost a lot of money with the research for the PS3. With the PS4 its mostly just off the shelf parts. Its not even released yet and is already beaten by Midrange PCs. By the time it does release Low end PCs will probably be giving it a run for its money.

Microsoft:

While MS has been able to make profit of the Xbox 360, we need to realize the Xbox division is a very small part of the company. Hence even the profits from this division are a very small part for the company.

Everyone knows MS's golden goose is Windows, Office and their Server division. Unfortunately for MS the PC market is in a slow down. The slow down is quite intense. This is mostly the case because most people dont need to upgrade their PCs any more. Most businesses are still running PCs with Windows XP. They dont tend to replace these machines until they fail which means less copies of Windows sold.

Many organizations are evening turning to BYOD(bring your own device) model of work, which means people bring any device they want to work on, Android or IOs based devices. These devices have really hurt the sales of PCs as 5 - 10 year old PCs are still powerful enough for Internet surfing or email. Windows 8 poor sales are a testament to the winds of change in the industry.

Disaster is up in the air for MS. If Windows loses popularity(which is quickly happening now), sales of Office and Server based products will go down too. The Xbox division wont be able to keep the company afloat if this keeps up.

Bottom line MS when launched Xbox 360, it was faster than any high end PC of that time for 6 months. Xbox 720 is rumored to be equal or slower than the PS4.

Hence both of them will be equal to low end PCs (500usd machines) by the time they launch. Console makers have scaled back this gen, in an effort to try and make a profit. Both of them are in trouble. Hence arent investing too much into this gen.

SilentNegotiator4051d ago

Screw it...Crysis was never "technically" impressive and the sequels are sub-par. Crysis was just a game way before its time that hardly anyone could run at launch...what's "technically impressive" about a game that requires a lot of power to run? I could crap a bunch of pixar-detailed assets onto a game map and it would be impossible for most people to run....is that "technically impressive"? No, it's just science; giving the average hardware something that it can't run, won't run.

It's like designing a godly water pump and calling it impressive that its Niagra Falls flow of water won't all squeeze through a 10mm pipe without the pressure destroying it. Am I impressed that you created all of the fine details of such a pump (the 3d modelling itself)? Sure. Am I impressed that the output won't be contained by a 10mm pipe (the rendering requiring insane hardware)? No.

A ridiculously detailed game having trouble running on consumer grade hardware is not impressive. A beautiful, detailed game that you can get to run on modest hardware...THAT is impressive.

Get over yourselves, Crytech. Not even elitists bang on about your games anymore.

cayleee4051d ago

@Silent

"Crysis was never "technically" impressive and the sequels are sub-par. Crysis was just a game way before its time that hardly anyone could run at launch"

So 6 years later why isnt there a console game that can match Crysis if Crysis was Sub par? So i guess console games must be a disaster if Crysis is Sub par as per you.

Historically before development became stagnant due to consoles. No high end PC game could ever be maxed out on release, same was the case with Crysis.

If you are old enough to remember Quake 2, Farcry 1, Quake 3, Half life 2.

All those games couldnt be maxed out on release. It required, 2-3 years of new hardware to be able to play the games maxed out. Crysis was just repeating that trend Ie pushing the industry forward. Unfortunately what we hardly get to see these days.

SilentNegotiator4051d ago (Edited 4051d ago )

@cayleee
"So i guess console games must be a disaster if Crysis is Sub par as per you"

I said that the sequels were subpar, not Crysis. Great reading skills; it's hilarious that you're implying that I wasn't around for Quake when you don't even have basic reading comprehension. The sequels were sub-par as in they didn't take the same leap that they were so proud of making before, not being as high standard as they could have been on PC. Crysis 2 didn't even have dx11 at launch and plenty of PC games already did. As well as being subpar as games.

Hardware would advance whether games that are nearly impossible to max at launch existed or not.

cayleee4051d ago

@Silent

Consoles already had a problem running what Crytek made with Crysis 1, how could they have made a jump with Crysis 2?

Be reasonable. Crysis 1 already took hardware that was far superior to consoles to max out, how could Crysis 2 have been a leap forward if it was to run on consoles too? Its not possible.

T9004051d ago (Edited 4051d ago )

Realistically speaking people disagreeing with Decrypt are just being fanboys.

Sony only made losses this gen- Fact

Sony used to be a leader in consumer electronics many years back - Fact

MS Barely made a profit - Fact

Windows is Ms's back bone - Fact

Windows 8 hasnt been well received neither have Surface tablets - Fact

If Ms cant turn around Windows then XBox wont save them.

If Sony cant make PS4 a success then they don't have anything else left.

People disagreeing are just in denial. Both the console makers are in trouble imo.

ame224050d ago

What's ironic is that the hypocrite is trash talking the same market that he went after with Crysis 2.

HappyGaming4050d ago

A movie studio is not the best studio because of visual effects.

A game developers is not the best because of graphics.

Crytek make great looking games but I always found Crysis very boring! There are studios out there that create full packages like Naughty Dog, Bungie, Rockstar... they offer great gameplay, great atmoshpere, Great Dialogue and story telling. That is what makes a game and these are the studios that I listen to.

PeaSFor4050d ago

meanwhile Crytek, try to do at least ONE good game.

princejb1344050d ago

thats all they really accomplished powerful graphics
but the gameplay for their games are so boring
looking at you crysis

knowyourstuff4050d ago

The Crytek guy was trying to say that consoles would be too expensive if they were too powerful, and so Crytek has estimated what specs could make up a 500 dollar console each year, and so far their estimates have been correct given past specs. They have said estimates of next gen as well and in so far specs have been largely in line with their estimates again. Lets just say, if consoles were 1000 bucks this gen, it wouldn't matter how high the specs were, even if it was technically worth it. Console owners cried like babies the last time a console was even 100 dollars more than the usual $500 launch price. Given this, Sony and Microsoft have been careful to include low end PC specs to ensure their costs stay down, because the outcry was just far too great last gen.

See what your whining does to the industry? It guarantees you will never get a super powerful console, even if it may be worth the money.

SilentNegotiator4050d ago (Edited 4050d ago )

" Consoles already had a problem running what Crytek made with Crysis 1, how could they have made a jump with Crysis 2? "

It's their (well, EA's) problem that they went console, not ours.

The point is, there's nothing cutting edge about them anymore. Crytek pretending that they're some far ahead leaders of this industry is a laugh.

Autodidactdystopia4050d ago

@ silent.

I get what you're saying. I do. crytek steps out of line a lot.
I personally dont care if they step out of line cause im the deciding factor in what i think. cevat and crytek are entitled to their opinion just like you are.

but I have to let you know that i disagree with you on every level of the low blows you've been dealing on your comment trail this page.

say what you want about the game length or gameplay etc. but to say that they dont make "technically" impressive videogames is just a complete denial of what actually is.

They are completely cutting edge since the days of farcry. I dont know about you but i just finished crysis 3 and that is "THE MOST" technically impressive thing ive ever seen done in realtime on a GPU.

What are you talking about not cutting edge? cutting edge of technology is the best you can get and they just put out. just cause you dont think so doesnt mean its not true.

if you are playing on a ps3 or 360 then i can understand your dissaproval, but to that i would say that you have not seen the game in its best light.

Seriously though, crytek has been pushing the industry foreward since I can remember. without them the bar would still be set pretty low. maybe you dont like their type of force in the industry, but its a neccessary force that i welcome seeing as how even if he says something offensive. I can take it cause i formulate my thoughts for my self. I also think that most people can too.

360ICE4050d ago

I really hate discussions between PC gamers and console gamers. It's always the same. PC fanboys are always like "Consoles nevar stood a chance. Dey are totally sub-par mid-range all de taim."

And then console fans are like "Why are you even bringing this up? I'm just sitting here at this fancy restaurant having a drink with my friends and you come up to me out of nowhere. Who are you even? Go home, you're drunk."

And then the PC fanboy ruins it all, because he, or she (haha, jk), has no social skills. Why? Because consoles have more social skills than PCs.

So that's why I hate these discussions. Because really, everyone has their preferences in gaming, be it graphics or whatever, and it's really just a good thing that PCs and consoles deliver different services, without the need for any of them to be sub-par. Even though PC gaming sucks. You know what you never hear? "Hey, let's go home to my place and play some game on my PC together". Sure, sometimes you hear "Hey, completely equal-minded person I've known for some time, let's take the insane effort of moving our PCs together to the same room", but mostly you only hear "Hey, person I've never known. Let's play PC online."

That's why I like PCs and consoles equally.

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HOO-HAA4051d ago

They don't even control their own games, EA does!!

camel_toad4051d ago

Wow I'm getting tired of crytek. All graphics and all talk, totally mediocre if not subpar gameplay.

admiralvic4051d ago

The best thing is that they're saying this, yet Crysis 3 is selling so well that they're already offering 50% off ( http://www.facebook.com/cry... search for it).

Lior4051d ago

Best graphics of all time on pc though

HappyGaming4050d ago

@Lior
I agree, Crytek makes interesting benchmark "software" for the PC.

Lior4051d ago

PC ELITIST RIGHT HERE MY SECOND GTX 680 COMING TOMORROW SLI 680S CAN'T WAIT TO PLAY CRYSIS 3 IN 60FPS ON VERY HIGH SETTINGS WITH 2560 1440

jester11224051d ago

To bad the game sucks I would rather just go play Battlefield graphics are almost just as good and the mp doesn't completely suck ...

hobohunterz4050d ago

Aren't benchmarks just so exciting!

BattleAxe4051d ago (Edited 4051d ago )

Crytek is a company that is all show, and no go. I really don't understand how they've not only managed to survive, but also how they've managed to open so many studios, acquire Free Radical and buy the rights to Homefront. Where are they getting their money from?

Autodidactdystopia4050d ago

Probably not from the followers of a Console Dominated internet forum/website.

Maybe from the outside world.... outside of the tiny bubble people here at n4g seem unable to escape.

no pun intended.

Pandamobile4050d ago

All 4 Crysis games have been successful, they license CryEngine 3, and do a ton of serious game and simulation stuff for contractors (often military and civil engineering projects).

jester11224051d ago

Go home crytek your drunk again....

piroh4050d ago

they are drunk almost always

E2M4050d ago

Just because there know for great pc graphics doesn't mean they are good developers.

ILive4050d ago

I think the games for both systems will look good enough, depending on the engines being used and the developers. First party devs will most likely make most pc elitist believe in the systems. Killzone is already looking fantastic to me and things will only get better as time progress. Consoles may not be able to keep up with pcs but they will be able to hold there own against what pcs will offer. I am really just excited for the witcher 3 because cdp will make a fantastic game for both pc and consoles. Its gonna be a pc vs consoles gen, as opposed to console vs console it seems.

ATi_Elite4050d ago

I so HATE Crytek

They turned against PC Gamers even though Crysis sold 3.5m to go kiss consolers BUTTS.

Now that Crysis 2 and 3 are CONSOLE sales FAILURES, Crytek is turning against the Consolers.

Crytek just GO AWAY....no one wants your Tech Demo's anymore!!!

zeddy4050d ago

if crytek were so good they would be making amazing looking games on 6 year old consoles like uncharted or god of war isntead of moaning its not powerful enough.

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faysal4051d ago

who the hack do these people think they are? EA's puppies who barks on EA's command... only games they make is crysis and yet they have a big mouth like they control everything... with all these graphics POWAH!!! of cry engine they still cant sell more license then unreal. but hey have a big mouth like they are the king of devolopers.

N0S3LFESTEEM4050d ago

Crysis is the only game I know of that uses the cryengine... please inform me if there are others worth talking about.

ZombieNinjaPanda4050d ago

http://www.giantbomb.com/cr...

Inb4 "They're not "AAA" Games so why should I care"

Conzul4050d ago

The upcoming Star Citizen by Chris Roberts is built upon the Cryengine, I believe.

CryEngine is a great engine but Crytek is wai tu proud of themselves. If they had existed 70 years ago, they would've all been like, "Vee vill build a wrocket komputer dat vill make a V2 reach Vashington! Ah-HAH HAH HAH AHA HAH!"

Bumpmapping4051d ago

Crytek=Second rate FPS developer

Ezz20134051d ago

more like 3rd or 4th rate developer
the are trolling as always and still fail at it

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hiredhelp4051d ago

Looks at article headline thinks wtf then sees a name "CEO Cevat Yerli"
Enough said

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70 percent of devs unsure of live-service games sustainability

With so many games fighting for players' attention and interest losing out over time, time sink games are at risk of eventually losing steam.

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thorstein1d 10h ago

It was worrisome to begin with.

It's a niche genre with only a handful of hits that can stand the test of time.

Cacabunga13h ago

I like the sound of that!! I will for sure never support these gaas games.
Sony must be shocked at gamer's reaction, making them cancel a few of these and hopefully go back to the good heavy hitters they had us used to..
now bring on that PSPro reveal and show us some SP 1st party awesomeness.

CrimsonWing691d 9h ago

What’s to be unsure of!? Look at the ratio of success to failure!

DarXyde16h ago

It's pretty ridiculous.

Imagine having a breadth of data at your disposal to see the statistically low success rate of these games, only to be laser focused on the exceptional case studies.

shinoff21831d 8h ago

Yes. Stop all the live service bs.

jznrpg1d 8h ago

Only a few will catch on. You need a perfect storm to be successful in GaaS and a bit of luck on top of that. But a potential cash cow will keep them trying and some will go out of business because of it.

MIDGETonSTILTS171d 7h ago

Helldivers 2 manages just fine…

Keep production costs low… don’t just make custscenes until the mechanics and enemies are perfected first.

Make so much content that you can drip extra content for years, and the game already feels complete without them.

Most importantly: make weapons, enemies, levels, and mechanics that will stand the test of 1000 hours. This might require more devs embracing procedurally generated leveled, which I think separates Helldivers 2 from Destiny’s repetitiveness.

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The Battle Pass Is The Worst Thing To Happen To Modern Gaming

Nameer from eXputer: "Some exceptions aside, I don't think the battle pass is a net positive for gaming with how they're implemented in most live service titles."

got_dam1d 12h ago

Battle passes AND meta gaming both.

DivineHand1251d 10h ago (Edited 1d 10h ago )

I like the way Helldivers 2 does battle passes. It allows you to make purchases on each level of the battle pass and gives you the option of choosing which item to unlock first. The more purchases you make using medals the further you progress. There is no timer and you can earn medals towards purchasing stuff via personal orders and Major orders.

I haven't played much live service games that have battle passes but I remember some games that have battle passes where you progress through it linearly using an exp system. What makes it really bad is that the battle pass will have like 50 or more levels with the cooler stuff being closer to the end. They also have an in-game shop that sells exp boosters so you can reach the end of the pass before it refreshes. Everyone ilse will have to grind their way through.

lucian2291d 9h ago

battle pass in fortnite is perfect; buy one and it buys the rest for every other season as it gives you more money than the first cost. so 8.50 and season ends with you getting 13.00, it pays for the next and you have some pocket change to save up for cash shop. All of which is optional

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PS5 Pro specs leak video taken down by Sony

Sony is taking actions as video by Moore’s Law is Dead, has been issued with a copyright claim.

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andy852d ago

And people say it's all fake because Sony haven't said anything 😂 conveniently forget the PS4 Pro was only announced 2 months before release.

BeHunted2d ago

It's fake. There's no factual evidence other than his own made up specs.

Hereandthere2d ago

What were the specks Sony was afraid of showing?

Shikoku2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

Digital foundry put a video out saying what he leaked was exactly what they also knew about the PS5 PRO. So no it's not just stuff he made up

Babadook72d ago (Edited 2d ago )

If it’s fake what copyright does MLID infringe upon?

😂

andy852d ago

Aye because they'd go to the effort of copyright claiming it if it didn't exist 🙃😂 you'd have to be a special kind to be thinking its not a thing by now

Cacabunga2d ago

They need to reveal it with uncharted killzone or a heavy hitter like this

Ironmike2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

U mean the specs that we'll established digital foundry which said these are the actual specs published a video on 2 weeks ago I mean they are only one of most trusted sites for tech information but they just made up a video for the sake of it

Christopher1d 11h ago

I would love for it all to be fake, but lots of people are saying they've seen/heard the same thing. But, man, we 100% don't need mid-gen upgrades when we're failing hard to optimize current hardware.

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Seraphim1d 6h ago (Edited 1d 6h ago )

if I recall Sony lowered sales expectations for PS5 earlier this year. if that is the case we won't hear anything about a Pro until next year or shortly before/when it's dropping. After all, if the Pro was dropping this year/fiscal year they wouldn't have lowered expectations.

As for squashing rumors. Yeah, shit like this prevents potential buyers from adopting now, just like slim rumors in the past. It only makes sense to keep things under wraps from a business perspective. Despite living in a technological age of unfettered access to information we don't need to know whats going on behind closed doors be that at Sony, Nintendo, MS, or amongst any development studios. When the steak is done we shall feast.

JackBNimble1d 5h ago

By the time games are actually made to take advantage of the pro spec's the ps6 will be released or close to it.

jznrpg2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

Just announce it already! I want to preorder one asap. But in reality they don’t want to lessen PS5 sales until Pro is ready to launch so I understand the business part of it. September is probably when they announce it with an early November launch like the PS4 Pro

Ironmike2d ago

Pro won't lessen sales sames ps4 pro never and the ps4 pro was more relevant at the time cos move to 4k this not needed

RaidenBlack1d 18h ago (Edited 1d 18h ago )

Yea, my brother got his PS4 (coz of a good deal) after the PS4 Pro's release.

darthv721d 14h ago

^^same here. I got a base 4 for only $100 off a guy who bought the Pro. then a few months later I found a guy on craigslist selling a pro for $100 because it was left behind by his former roommate who moved out. That was the beginning of my obsession to buy up the different variants of the PS4 that were released.

As of now I am really only missing the 500m one and the gold slim but otherwise I have pretty much all the other retail ones. https://consolevariations.c...

BoneMagnus1d 13h ago

@darth - Nice collection!

crazyCoconuts1d 7h ago

Anyone with 4K that appreciates 60fps is gonna disagree about it not being needed.
DLSS is a god send for Nvidia, and there's been nothing like it for AMD...yet ...

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DeadlyFire1d 13h ago

They will announce it around E3 timeframe about May-June whenever they do a showcase for the year.

neutralgamer19922d ago

Just announce it this thing will sell well

Ironmike2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

I don't think it will pll still haven't seen the potential of ps5 yet

Cacabunga1d 11h ago

agreed, but it might sell if they announce some 1st party games to lead the way. if people see the difference with the base version they can move on. for my sake I am still gaming mainly on PS4 (still not finished with RDR2 due to lack of gaming time). I have a huge backlog on PS5 I am hoping to get into.

mark3214uk1d 20h ago

why? game makers havnt even come close to maxing out current spec yet, were getting al lthese new TFlops and game maker are making crappy remakes not worthy of the ps3

Minute Man 7211d 15h ago

The guts of the 5 and X are 5 years old

fr0sty1d 8h ago

People keep saying that, yet we still have games running at near HD resolutions, 30fps, and ray tracing features turned off.

PRIMORDUS2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

I would take that video and upload a torrent of it, fuck that copyright bullshit. If your going to do something that has a chance of being taken down, make a torrent first share it. Then Sony or any other company is helpless and you can laugh in their faces, taunting them to try to take it down 🤣

LoveSpuds1d 18h ago

With kind of analysis and advice, you could be a lawyer for Trump!🤣

tronyx121d 18h ago

As much as the PS4 Pro didn't represent a major % in the playerbase, announcing a 'better' model will hinder sales from the 'base' model. They are right, business-wise.

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