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Did Sony Make The Right Call By Being First With The PS4?

eGamer writes: "Of course, the PlayStation 4 has been the buzz of the gaming industry for some time now. There are many, like myself, who are highly optimistic about the console, and many others who don’t feel the same, or still feel that Sony not showing the actual console was a very bad thing. But the topic that hasn’t been discussed all that much is, whether or not Sony made the right call to reveal the PlayStation 4 first to begin with, and that’s what I want to touch on a little bit today."

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StrongMan4051d ago

Yes. Sony hit a grand slam and set the bar so high that no one can even come close to topping it. Add in the fact that the hardcore gamers belong to Sony now since it's competition abandoned us, the ball is clearly in Sony's court.

Karpetburnz4051d ago

very true, and what they showed was only the beggining. Imagine what they have for E3, I cant wait.

darthv724051d ago

you cant really say "grand slam". their announcement was very good but we know nothing of the other team. So if you want to keep the baseball analogy going then this is spring training and sony is only doing batting practice.

The grand slam will come when the teams take the field and the bases are loaded. its too early to say one way or the other.

The "bar" as you put it wasnt raised by sony but simply the natural progression of things. Generally console development takes its queues from the Pc side at the time and then adds onto it to extend its relevancy.

so while the norm for PC graphics cards are 1gb+ in memory and pc memory is easily 4gb+. It was only natural to double that amount and unify it for the purpose of an extended amount of time on the market.

consoles have a 5-6 year cycle before rumblings of new hardware start making noise. obviously these companies will want to keep their current platform going for as long as it remains profitable but even they know that perception catches up with time.

what once was ground breaking becomes common place. We become conditioned to seeing things over a period of time that loses its impact from the 1st time ever seeing it. Take toy story the movie for example. Many may be too young to remember when it first came out but it was ground breaking for its time. Now, CGI is so common place that it is expected that the next movie to use the effects will be better than the previous release.

But what we miss out on most is the finer details of things. Those are the points (I believe) the next gen will actually be focusing on more than ground breaking new visuals. Essentially, giving more detail to even the smallest of things happening on screen that they become the focal point of what we will gravitate towards when watching/playing.

We have already seen the big effects in games like killzone and uncharted. this time around, the games will go back to those same formulas but instead of seeing bigger things, we will all of a sudden start noticing the smaller details because they will be what stands out. Not just the skin tone of an NPC but how about perspiration on the character in environments where the temperature is warmer...or you start seeing the environment around you change to each subtle difference that happens.

No doubt the next gen will be better than current but if people are thinking the leap is going to be this big revolutionary change, they are mistaken. It will be the sum of all the little things that make up the evolutionary change that consoles/games have been experiencing over the last many years.

EasilyTheBest4051d ago (Edited 4051d ago )

I not sure if Sony has made the right move or not. I think Microsoft has their own plans and are quietly very confident.
I hope to see all Windows 8 games and sum apps working on the new Xbox. Also Windows Phone too perhaps. It will have an instant marketplace.
I sure the new Xbox will have a similar controller to the 360s but it can split into two half's and can be used with kinect etc. The tv ads for this alone could sell a lot of consoles.
I think MS has had their own plan all along.

B1663r4051d ago (Edited 4051d ago )

Kinect is probably built right into the New XBox controller. That way it can capture facial expressions. Also a huge amount of the development on the Kinect has been as a 3d scanner, and Kinect embedded right in the controller would make it the game makers 3d scanner of choice. Also you will be able to set it under your TV, to enable touch screen functionality, or on your coffee table, so you can touch screen in the air from your couch. Then it will still have the fallback where you can point it at your dance floor for dance games.

Avatars will be gone in favor of 3d scans of the user. I suspect at their reveal they will scan someone in with the new Kinect controller, and then they will play a casual game with that avatar.

I also suspect the New XBox will replace the Bing screen with a virtual avatar. That you have a conversation with to conduct your searches.

Here is the hitch though... It wont launch until next year. So the PS4 will get one Christmas on the market by its lonesome.

Everyone (Google, Apple, Samsung, not just Sony) will spend the next decade trying to catch up...

dolkrak4051d ago

@B1663r Right now that's more like MS spent the last 10 years trying to catch up to Apple and Google. And soon playing catch up to Sony in gaming too.

AngelicIceDiamond4051d ago (Edited 4051d ago )

I think MS tried to tackle to much in the past two years. Kinect was a surprise hit so MS had to cater to that. People were doing more than gaming on Xbox so MS had to cater to that.

The hardcore still wanted their games and yes MS did cater to that despite the lack of new Ip's. As I said before, MS with the 360 doesn't have enough studios/resources to give everybody what they want.

Seeing how Kinect was a hit they couldn't completely drop that market so they supported it. Last year was the worst year for Kinect the device is limited and MS knows that.

Its really annoying when people say MS abandon the hardcore when that's not completely true. "Abandoning" is to completely leave something or someone. The real reason people don't like MS in that field was due to the lack of original retail Ip's. MS is uses Gears, Halo, Forza while Alan Wake, Fable and a RARE project are being made for next gen. Original exclusvie arcade download titles keep the Xbox great.

Like I said MS tried doing to much at the same time they'll have a clear focus on everything next gen. Entertainment, Kinect and most importantly the exclusive new core Ip's

As with Sony and showing the PS4 I think it was a good idea, but I ultimately don't think Sony is truly satisfied with the PS3 for some reason. They seem rather aggressive in releasing brand new hardware only to "eventually" forget about the PS3 in the long run.

Its a little suspicious other than that I'm looking forward to PS4. New games, possible new studio an Uncharted tease, brand new Ip tease, Driver Club, Infamous, Kill Zone shown off. Other social features Gaikai all of it can't wait.

LackTrue4K4051d ago (Edited 4051d ago )

I think they did great!!
Just take a look at the top of N4G, it's all ps4 and nothing about Xbox/Microsoft.
Expect the same thing when MS has there info ready!! Great times are just months away, can't wait!!! :D

@TheKayle..."money talks means nothing"?!
Money means nothing to you?!?!?

IRetrouk4051d ago

Sdf load of bull, you know it, i know it and anyone else that has been here from 06 onwards knows it too.

IRetrouk4051d ago

Just to clarify, i lost my bubbles years ago for daring to mention how many times i went through rrod, never ever have they went back up, if this site was sony land would i not have got more bubbles for being pro sony??? And not liking the 360 all that much back then???

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miDnIghtEr20C_SfF4051d ago

StrongMans post, his "sony hit a grand slam", and his way more agrees than disagrees with everyone backing him up saying true.. you're right, they did.

Just shows that the real 3 letter of this site isn't N4G, but more SDF.

LMAO, they hit a grand slam. Holy hell.

Scrupuless4051d ago (Edited 4051d ago )

Ya there is that possibility, or there is the reality that sony has more fans period. Butt hurt much??

DigitalRaptor4051d ago (Edited 4051d ago )

Yes Scrupuless, that midnighter fellow is butt hurt and nothing more.

He was able to revel in Sony's faults and shortsightedness this gen, but with PS4 there's really nothing valid that he will be able to put across to downplay Sony. Maybe backwards compatibility, but what's that when new games are coming out and PS3 is still being supported well?

As for N4G, yeah Sony does more as a gaming company, they have more platforms to support and make more games, and as such more news stems from this. Fans will follow the news.

MysticStrummer4051d ago

Personally as a Sony fan and MS hater (not 360 hater... MS hater) I would have been happiest if MS had announced first. Then Sony could have adjusted their PS4 specs and announced better tech soon after (adding more memory or something relatively simple like that). I would have found that hilarious, but the way Sony did it was probably best. They'll release bits of info throughout the rest of the year, and keep people talking about their product, while MS will always be perceived as playing catch up, unless their tech is head and shoulders above Sony's, which I doubt. The tech is likely to be pretty equal. Besides the subjective opinions about exclusives, MS's one trump card is people's loyalty to XBL, so we'll see if 720 has enough features to justify paying to play online for another generation.

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Chaostar4051d ago (Edited 4051d ago )

I thoroughly agree with the writer and, in all honesty, I'm still a little shocked that MS hasn't done one single thing to try and steal some of the hype.

Besides a couple of snarky comments about Sony not showing the actual console, MS has been deathly silent. They either have something very special lined up and are overly confident of their success or Sony actually caught them off-guard and they're just not prepared enough to respond.

Tody_ZA4051d ago

Great to hear =) As a PlayStation owner and fan myself, while I don't think Microsoft are unprepared right now, there was news going around the internet that they were caught off-guard by Sony's early reveal, and that would make sense since it was practically at the beginning of the year, miles before E3.

SolidStoner4051d ago

well said! I think Sony did the right move... and I would even want Microsoft to take PS4 specs and make next x box the same... that would not hurt gamers! Games would look awesome on both consoles, hell why not play against each other online x box vs playstation... that would be awesome, to be fully connected with everyone! PS4 still would have its epic exclusives and it would stand out as always!

first1NFANTRY4051d ago (Edited 4051d ago )

great points by everyone BUT the sole reason i want M$ to match Sony's hardware specs is because i want multiplats devs to finally take advantage of the blu ray medium and overall better experience,

Too much have we seen games with potential fall short because they catered to the weaker platform.

In my opinion Sony has been serving alot of humble pie the majority of this gen. I think it's time they played dirty for a change.

MikeMyers4051d ago

It was the right move for Sony but it might not be the right time for MS. You have to look at things from various perspectives. Sony got a lot of attention for the PS4 and rightly so, it sounds like they are definitely on the right track.

Microsoft is playing it smart right now because you don't want to make an announcement just because the other guys did. They will do it when they feel it's the right time. I think when Nintendo revealed the Wii U there was a bit of a mixed bag because they were not very clear at the time what the Wii U was or the specs.

The next Xbox needs to come out strong. Microsoft needs to show software that gamers are going to be interested in. That's the caveat. You have to ignore the online chatter. Remember, that's where the real hardcore crowd resides and isn't necessarily where they need to focus all of their efforts to.

The PS4 is getting a lot of positive feedback from the media and the developers and that's always a good sign but it isn't any guarantee for its overall success.

TheKayle4051d ago (Edited 4051d ago )

they just showed not other things happened (well no real console show but ...) both console will be realeased same time window.....so this hype "money talking" mean nothing...

ihmo when the xbox will ger showed the hype will go all on ms coz is the "new player on the ground" while ps4 is something that we already know everything about

Tody_ZA4051d ago (Edited 4051d ago )

Not necessarily, because firstly Sony has yet to show the actual console (which will generate excitement because it will be like people can attach a face to a name now) not to mention that they most definitely have a full software line-up planned for E3.

From an objective point of view, they've kind of stolen the thunder a little bit now because the hype for MS' conference, if we factor the games out, is more on "how will they respond to Sony?" and not on the buzz of next-gen being something completely new.

It adds some pressure to Microsoft. While I am positive that they will respond accordingly, the last few years of the Xbox 360 does have me worried about games and that's what I want to see most (exclusives, new IPs) because I dominantly buy a console for games.

Minato-Namikaze4051d ago

You know everything about the ps4? Then by all means please give us more details........

TheKayle4051d ago (Edited 4051d ago )

yeah pretty much WE know everything...

the tech inside the controller
the tech and the spec inside the dual camera that r
Dimension Approx: 186mm x 27mm x 27mm (width x height x depth)
Weight Approx: 183g
Video: Video Pixel (Maximum) 1280 x 800 pixel
Video Frame Rate 1280×800 pixel
640×400 pixel
320×192 pixe
Video Format RAW, YUV (uncompressed)

(is a low spec version of the kinect eh)

the tech inside the ps4 (type of cpu gpu and amount of ram and gpu ram and other processor like the zlib decompressor)

the amd jaguar 4+4 cores
the bandwith (176gb/s) and type of ram (gddr5) the amount of cu (16 indipendend programmable to calculate physics or rendering) and rops (32...r too much for a console that target at 1080p ...i think it cost more to put some out in customizations than have it and not use it..and if u r asking urself 32rops mean 4kgaming no is impossible if not a 6fps with this hardware maybe MAYBE upscaling everything) and how they work on that gpu..
we know the PEAK performance that can do something like 1.83tf on the gpu side and 100 gflop the cpu =1.84 tf for the entire system....(we r talkign about PEAK perfomance...real world performance...around 1.6tf ..(coz u need to take in consideration a big problem that ala pc architecture have ...ram latency gpu stall cpu stall etc etc)
we know will have a version of opencl that is comparable to dx 11
an audio processor that can stream 200 cuncurrent audio files
we know the blueray speed is 6x

the only thing that we still dont know is if the 4+4 jaguar will be clocked at 2ghz istead a 1.6 (as we knew) and the amount of hd space
ah and yeah..for all the apple lovers....we dotn know the shape of the box....lol

what u need to know more minato?

the problem is that we really dont know nothing about next xbox if not a old document leak from 1 year ago...:(...the official 2010 MS yukon one that point a scalable system with 2 gpu and some rumor from 1 year superdae leak with that low spec

@gamerelite

no im hyped for the "HARDCORE GAMER" share button and the freakingimmick sculpting game from mediamolecule lol ;) troll go in your cave

@minato

to your point 2 im sorry for u then coz sony is copying a dual camera that is juts a kinect with lower specs than the kinect2...(mediamolecule demo should u make understand something)

kojima is multiplat now.......im waiting for naughty dog too.....santa monica is losing their appeal ...to me

Minato-Namikaze4051d ago

1. only if MS matches or exceeds those specs will be excited.
2. Never mention the kinect to me for ANYTHING game related cause its not good for me and what i play.
3. Specs are nice but until we see real world applications those are nothing but words. When i see what Sony santa monica, naughty dog, and kojima cooks up for the ps4 then we'll know more about what this system can really do.

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Why o why4051d ago (Edited 4051d ago )

caught us all on the back foot.....

the same feeling I get when theres a major update for my galaxy s that I forgot was coming .....sad I know but I dont care the excitement is exciting especially since this may be the last gen im gunna be truly into.

sony sure have learnt a thing or 2 from MS in terms of marketing and 1upmanship. Some still call sony arrogant but they are definitely taking MS more seriously now whilst continuing the support of their core fans and their more casual ones and creating more new ips gen after gen. MS wont lie down though...no. It will be better for us gamers in some aspects that for sure if ms then starts to shift back towards creating more games or at least letting the old ips it has locked away out again.

from the beach4051d ago

I don't think announcing it first matters much, releasing first would be a big coup though.

MysticStrummer4051d ago

Tough to say. MS released first and it helped them gain a lot of market share, but they also went from first in sales to last, so it depends on how you look at it.

I said MS fell to last (3rd) because if it hasn't happened already, it most certainly will before the end of the year when the new consoles launch.

from the beach4050d ago

Well, if Microsoft do slip to third it'll be after Sony occupied that spot for seven years, coming off a lead of about 100m sales in the previous gen.

Against that backdrop I'd say releasing first is pretty important.

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Sony Taps Bungie's Head of Revenue to Lead Live-Service Games

Sony has recruited Bungie's head of revenue Jaremy Rich to head up its live-service gaming division, Rich has announced on social media.

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ChasterMies12d ago

Please do not put Destiny’s monetization into Sony’s first party games. The monetization is what’s driving players away from Destiny.

just_looken11d ago

The new temp boss is the sony cfo bean counter so i can see this being a thing get every penny.

Cacabunga11d ago

PlayStation officially losing it.. fans will never support gaas games

just_looken11d ago

@car

The new boss did a interview in japan he wants to tap into the mobile market like nintendio so he give 0 fucks about gamers/fans

https://www.pushsquare.com/...

Redemption-6411d ago

@Cacabunga
You only speak for you and those who think like you, but most fans will support what they want. Playstation and PC fans are literally supporting Helldivers 2 and that is a gaas. Maybe you wouldn't, but many more would if they like it.

Huey_My_D_Long11d ago

@Redemption-64
Look, Im not making any judgement calls about this guy, but I will say that Helldivers 2 GaaS model is unique to Helldivers, and legit the only other game I can think of thats similiar was the Avengers game except HD2 pass is still better.
The fact that you can earn in game currency in a way that doesnt make you feel like you have to grind forever, as well you being able work on that pass that you bought...on your own time without a time limit...that right there is fucking huge to me, and I can't name any game other than avengers that avoided trapping players with FOMO logic...I think GaaS on HD2 shouldn't be compared to the rest of the industry...it should be copied.

Einhander197211d ago

Cacabunga

Helldivers 2...

Redemption-64

In Europe it's a 60 40 split favoring PC.
In the US its a 60 40 split favoring PS5.

So PlayStation owners supported the game just fine, it's not getting carried by PC or anything like that.

FinalFantasyFanatic11d ago

@just_looken,
I'm perfectly fine with the way Nintendo entered the mobile market, I never touched their mobile games, meanwhile, the console/handheld stayed the way it is. As for being a bean counter, he's probably going to reel in these massive budgets that Sony's studios have had lately, I haven't played Spiderman 2, but I cannot see how they almost tripled the budget for that game.

@Redemption-64,
That's an exception to the rule, I'm expecting a lot of these GAAS games from Sony to fail, to be fair, they only need a few to succeed, but I would have preferred that they put more of their resources into other types of games.

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DivineHand12511d ago

True their monetization is driving players away and at the same time, their decision to chop out content and convoluted systems is keeping new players away from the game.

Joe91311d ago

I don't think that will happen based on how things worked out at Naughty Dog now that we know what we do, seems they had the option to fully commit to live service games or stay making single player experences so they gave up on their live service game. We are not sure how things came about with Bend making a live service game but I hope that was not a forced situation. Sony doesnt seem like they are forcing studios to switch up but we will see, Sony's bread and butter is single player games it is how they dominated the console market.

Obscure_Observer11d ago

Yeah, I though Sony learned something from all their failures in the LS segment under Bungie´s disastrous leadership and supervision which led to games been cancelled, studios closed and all the people laid off.

Looks like Bungie still plays a major role in Sony´s LS initiative and Sony is not backtracking on their GaaS plans.

S2Killinit11d ago (Edited 11d ago )

Are we forgetting that Destiny is also a highly successful franchise? I feel like that definitely deserves mention here.

Besides, there is no reason why a person cant learn from past experiences.

Joe91311d ago

I agree, people act as if Destiny flopped when it came out lol it took 9 to 10 years for the numbers to fall yet people are still playing it add the success of Helldivers 2 no wonder Sony is going forward down this path.

S2Killinit11d ago

Personally, I see no problem with Sony also having service games as long as they make good ones, and more importantly they deliver the AAA story driven games that they are known for. So yeah, I agree 100% with you.

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Christopher11d ago

I mean, this person made some pretty bad decisions at Bungie. I hope they've learned from them because I definitely don't see those type of ideas as good for PlaySation in general.

CrimsonWing6911d ago (Edited 11d ago )

Honestly, what’s to learn from? How to make people happily continuously dump money into a single game over its life-time? Buy season passes continuously for several years with a smile on our faces?

GaaS is a design decision that is everything wrong with this industry. The fact that Helldivers 2 did so well and people defend the monetization because it was $40 and is a fun game, scares the sh*t out of me to see that the door is open and all shift will probably be to replicate that in future games. We already know the ROI for traditional game dev cost isn’t doing it for them.

I thought with Jimbo leaving we’d see a change for the better… I’m not so sure now.

S2Killinit11d ago

Service games are being offered by everyone. Sony cannot afford to only create single player AAA games. No one can. They already said they will be doing both.

Abnor_Mal11d ago (Edited 11d ago )

Ps5 gamers in 2023 seemed to play more live service types of games, so regardless to how people feel about them, numbers don’t lie and Sony is going where the money is. I mean look at the excitement around Helldivers2, people are showing that they want live service games.

Christopher11d ago

They play long-time existing live service games like CoD, Fortnite, Apex Legends, Destiny 2, and the like. Mass majority of new live service games are considered failures and aren't moving gamers away from older games.

just_looken11d ago

Yep the huge issue with live service is they need paid players along with a reason to play them.

You forgot mobile market that also taps into that player base as well as the eve online style games there is only a certain amount of krakens/whales blind supporters compared to the amount of live service games we have its not sustainable math wise.

700 restaurants making food for every seat for 1000-3000 eaters just does not work out

Einhander197211d ago (Edited 11d ago )

Christopher

I am not a big live service fan and literally own zero of the games you listed, but that is not true, unless you call games that aren't the top games to be failures.

There are tons of live service games that are profitable.

Games don't have to be the biggest game ever they just need to make more than they cost.

I challenge you to show professionally prepared data that shows that more live service games fail than make enough to keep going.

Because all the data that I have seen shows that live service is less of a gamble than making a big AAA budget game which needs to survive off retail sales.

FinalFantasyFanatic11d ago

I sometimes wonder if we're at saturation point, where it's hard for a new game to join those ranks unless it's particularly exceptional, people only have so much time and money to devote to these types of games.

romulus2311d ago

Correction, they have no issue playing good live service games

shinoff218311d ago

Lol it's not even a quarter of the ps5s sold. Helldivers may have been a hit but let's not say most are enjoying it because truth is most(the real most ) don't care about it.

S2Killinit11d ago (Edited 11d ago )

I play what is fun. If a live service game is good I’ll play it as long as its not a money scheme which Helldivers is not.

And Im a single player gamer.

mastershredder11d ago

How do you kill a franchise that already been killed?
Destiny’s grind, cash-in-on-playbass-cha-Ching, and pop-culture-insertion mainstream-me-too bs totally killed any rep Bungie had. Sony/Bungie, if you are doing this to ward-off players, it’s already working.

crazyCoconuts11d ago

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Sony May Soon Let You Decide How Much NPCs Talk In Games

Sony has patented to add multiple dialogue modes to let players switch between how many conversations with NPCs they want in the game.

blackblades17d ago

Sony is like the only ones outta the 3 that has atuff like like this pop up changing thing in ways.

just_looken17d ago

Sony in the past has always been first at bat with new ideas/tech but in the end never fully use it or just toss it away.

blackblades17d ago

I think they did use some but yeah most usually never happened but at least they thought about it. Sony seeks things like this and other, Nintendo seek different ways of playing going by there different controler designs and console designs.

just_looken17d ago (Edited 17d ago )

some of the other stuff sony want's/owns never used
https://gamerant.com/sony-p...
https://gamerant.com/sony-p...
https://www.eurogamer.net/s...
https://metro.co.uk/2023/03...
https://decrypt.co/114754/s...

monitor/adjust game difficultly as you play
https://www.techradar.com/g...

Sony nfts
https://www.theblock.co/pos...

Pay ai to play the game for you
https://thebusinessofesport...

Oh all the above last 12 months

I just imagine a evil scientist with test subjects when it comes down to sony recent patent reports.

Kaii17d ago

Will we get dialogue options that won't spoil puzzles in a matter of seconds? :p

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Judge rules in PlayStation's favour in $500m patent infringement lawsuit

Genuine Enabling Technology was seeking damages, claiming the tech allowing PlayStation consoles and controllers to communicate infringes its rights.

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S2Killinit19d ago

Big victory for Sony. And a long time coming.

DarXyde19d ago (Edited 19d ago )

Crazy to think the savings from this lawsuit allows them to develop one AAA game.

Make it Bloodborne 2, please and thank you.

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Profchaos19d ago

Sounds like patent trolling they tried the same thing against Nintendo with the same pattern.

Motion and control input traversing over higher and lower frequencies seperate from each other allowing the controller to do both

Pyrofire9519d ago

Patents suck. Most of them are complete garbage.

Knightofelemia19d ago

So to recoup the money Genuine is going to take on Nintendo or Microsoft next. I hate patent lawyers they are some of the worst bottom feeders out there.

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