PS4: Guerrilla helped Sony 'build a great controller for an FPS'

Sony consulted with a select group of PlayStation-owned studios as it was building the DualShock 4 controller for PS4, according to two developers at Guerrilla Games.

[StrongMan]

And did a great job. The DS3 was already the best controller but they just made the DS4 even better. Can't wait to see how devs use the clickable touch pad and speaker on the DS4.

[SAE]

I would agree with you before i saw DS4 but now i hate DS3. I wanna through it in the garbage. I'm that excited xD..

[Cupid_Viper_3]

Why 'through' it if you can simply "throw" it?

[SAE]

Sorry. Sometimes words confuse me. Thanks for correcting me ^^

[Cupid_Viper_3]

Haha SAE, no problems man, I did in good spirits really. :)

If it makes you feel better, I once stood up in a classroom full of students and said: "he ran away before the bomb could denied..." the silence and confusion on the teacher's face said it all really. But hey, English is only my 4th language..*shrugs*

[FamilyGuy]

More importantly:

Killzone Shadowfall just confirmed Vita Remote Play

I'll probably end up getting a vita just to mess around with my PS4 while im out, knowing that the high quality games will work too is just a bonus.

[SAE]

Lol. My brother say squeeze instead of excuse when he talk english >.< .

4th?. That's impressive. I only know arabic and english. I tried to learn french. I only managed to learn 2 words. Salute and bonjour xD. hehehe . It's hard to learn if you are alone and have things that stop you from learning new things like the school.

I know it's weird but I'm kind of proud of my english. I learned it by my self..

[DasBunker]

Hopefully it gets more use and doesn't turn out like another sixaxis.

Controller seems bigger which was a common complaint, stick are concave now and triggers seem improved, overall looks great.

[InTheZoneAC]

u know the dualshock has sixaxis right?

l8r

[negative]

Xbox controller is still so much better....

[DasBunker]

@thezone

Yes, so?.. i was obviously talking about the sixaxis feature, not just the controller with the name.

[Amsterdamsters]

Are you serious? The new controller is completely hideous! It looks like a cheap Chinese ripoff.

[devilhunterx]

Wacist!

[solar]

as a gamer who grew up playing PC and console games, playing Wolf3D the day it came out with a k+m, i hate playing FPS with a controller.

i really wish Sony and MS would let those input devices on their consoles. the analog stick isnt precise enough. it's just too slow for a fast paced game. :(

[chaos-lockheart]

you do know that you can use keyboard mouse on the consoles

[ufo8mycat]

You know you can increase the sensitivity of the analogs in the game settings yeah? To me they are just as fast as kb+mouse.

I honestly prefer FPS and any other genre with the controller (except RTS).

I find kb+mouse boring, it lacks the immersion that a controller brings. Not to mention it takes no skill what so ever to aim with a mouse.

As for the controller not being precise enough, that depends on each person, but I am pretty sure the majority of people that game on PS3 or 360, including myself, can make headshots quite easily.

It just takes practice.

I could never go back to kb+mouse.

[deerain]

That's not what he's talking about, the mouse is more accurate than the controller and yes you can use the mouse and keyboard on console but it's either emulated (not the same) or in the case of PS its not supported in all the games bar a couple. I agree about the mouse but I do find the controller more convenient and would rather see a Move/Wii like controller for FPS, and for the dev's to implement it Killzone 3 and MAG was great with the move but what other FPS uses the move :(

as for skill it must take some degree of skill to use the mouse and the controller but with the controller its also luck when trying to aim that damn crosshair - many times I have be tapping the sticks to just nudge the cross onto the target

[infamousinfolite]

I hope it's a better implementation than what Rim did with the Blackberry storm.

[showtimefolks]

StrongMan

what i am happy about is that sony didn't completely redo the controller, IMO dual shock is a Legendary controller. So while some changes had to be made to improve sony did make those changes and there are some great unknowns like the share button and touch pad so let's see

the Triggers had to be redone and they are
the dual sticks needed to be a little more tight, each felt a little loose so i hope they done that

and D-Pad was already the best for a console controller and now it looks like its gonna be even better

can't wait to get my hands on it day one. GG have really become the Dark Horse for sony when it comes to FPS and pushing the tech. I hope this new advertisement firm does a excellent job and get the Killzone series the rightful high sales the series deserves

[UnholyLight]

@007bond you should know by now, typical. It's still not announced so the good Sony fanboy knows he needs to get those final jabs in before the reveal so that the Sony Gods favour them more than the next Sony fanboy

[delboy]

Knowing Guerrilla, they demand input lag to be build in to the controler, so that every game has awful controls just like KZ2.

[FlunkinMonkey]

No my friend.. I think you'll find the controls were actually unique and awesome. They brought something a bit more challenging from the players perspective.

A lot more skill involved than the erratic, weak, robot dance like controls of COD, Halo and other generically controlled shooters.

[Kurt Russell]

I thought the iron sights were awful FlunkinMonkey... You could precision aim as well as most shooters and were rewarded too heavily for shooting from the hip. Resistence was better imo.

[FlunkinMonkey]

Yea that's a fair comment.. After countless hours online though, learning to use it was really rewarding...

BANG HEADSHOT! with the M4 was awfully satisfying.. maybe too much.

I disagree with being heavily rewarded from the hip though.. MUCH less than other games. Hitting someone with a rifle from a good distance was much harder than iron sight

[kupomogli]

Dualshock 2 was the best controller. Sony tried replicating the 360 triggers in their own fashion but most people can agree L2 and R2 on the Dualshock 3 sucks.

The Dualshock 4 triggers look good though, kind of like the PS3 Real Triggers by PDP that you can purchase, just part of the controller design this time around.

[Rhythmattic]

In FPS's I use my index finger to shoot with R1 (the finger Id use for a real gun trigger) while using my middle finger on R2 to flick..

I bought Real triggers and removed them... I couldn't flick my middle finger anymore.....

I like to flick it seems.

[Omni-Tool]

@Rhythmattic
I find myself doing the same thing. I aim with L1 or an analog stick (they're interchangeable for me), shoot with R1 and then I flick R2 and L2 for whenever I throw 'nades or melee or whatever special ability I may have. It just feels natural. It just feels right.

I can not use this play style on 360 controller. It feels awkward. It's like I'm forced based on design to use the RT to shoot. It feels taboo almost to not use the RT to shoot on a 360 controller

[UnholyLight]

@Omni-Tool......Lol oookay then. RT and LT on the Xbox 360 controller is way better. There's a reason the DS4 is finally going to have proper triggers after retarding their controller for so long..people hated it.

[Rhythmattic]

Omni-Tool

def L2 & R2 for everything but aiming and shooting for me...

So yeh, Im with ya....

[kupomogli]

I used L1/R1 to aim and shoot as well, but I hated the L2/R2 on PS3 overall.

[DonFreezer]

How the hell do you troll Microsoft in pretty much every article and yet you recieve bubbles.

[MultiConsoleGamer]

I love the controller but they should have moved the position of the left analog stick. Anyone who owns both current next gen consoles knows the 360 layout is much better for shooters.

[OneAboveAll]

Agreed with this.
I own all consoles and the 360 controller is fantastic. The Wii U pro controller beats that one in comfort though. Although, it takes time to get used to moving your thumb down to the face buttons instead of up. But there is no denying it's comfortable.

With the PS controllers my thumbs actually touch when pointing both sticks in towards one another. It's really not that ergonomic.

[xursz]

I disagree. My hands are symetric. I own both systems and I have no problem with the Dualshock design except that sometimes it felt too small.

[PeaSFor]

nah, my hands are symetrics so my left thumb doesnt need to be in a different alignment than my right thumb.

to only thing i prefer about the 360 controller is that its more bulky, but look like the DS4 is also more bulky.....thats perfect for me.

[KUV1977]

While I totally agree that the DualShock is the better layout, the 'hands are symetric' argument actually supports the X-Box-Controller as you are mostly using one thumb to hammer on the action buttons (X/O/Triangle/Square), the other thumb is on the left stick and thus lower than the right thumb. The only time the position is symmetrical is when using both sticks to navigate/look around etc..
But for me the Dualshock is still the most comfortable controller. I guess it really is mostly a manner of being used to something.

[Ilovetheps5]

KUV,

I'm not sure what FPS you are talking about, but in most FPS's, I like to be able to move and aim at the same time. So, my thumbs are often on the thumbsticks.

[edgeofsins]

@KUV1977

The symmetric argument doesn't support XBox at all. FPS's are the most played game on XBox. Millions of asymmetrical thumbs. Also. Because the left joystick on 360 is closer to the outside of the controller it has less comfortable degrees of freedom that your thumb can stretch to. It isn't comfortable to have your thumb touching or hovering above your index finger. A lot of people hug the controller instead of letting it just rests in the hands. You don't have to wrap your palms all the way around the grips. This is why a lot of people think the DS analog should be higher.

[Eyeco]

I have never understood this ergonomic nonsense, for some strange reason I still prefer DS3 despite it being "ergonomically inferior"

[ThanatosDMC]

I disagree, since it's like pulling your other thumb higher. If it's so good, then why didnt they put the right stick on the same location on the other side of the controller?

[BitbyDeath]

I use my thumbs to work both analog sticks so the PS controller layout works better for me.
Guessing not everyone does this?

[Gamesgbkiller]

I don't know but I like the way it is.
I didn't try the 360 one .. and I am happy with this controller .
I got used to it.

[DARK WITNESS]

getting use to something does not mean its always the best thing out there...

I don't say that to say the ps controller is bad in anyway mind you. people have different hands. For me personally i wish they would bring out two options with the ps controller. one in the current shape, and one with the stick moved to where the dpad is.

it's the only thing that puts me off the ps4 and the only reason i would still consider getting the next xbox.

I know it seems like such a small issue but i spend a lot of time holding those controllers so they have to feel right for my hands and for fps games and racing games I never liked the ps controller as much. I can manage it sure, but i would rather have the other option

[infamousinfolite]

So you got used to operating the 360's controller more and only wish the layout was on the dualshock controller.

[Irishguy95]

I'm fine with the sticks placement, i'm just glad the triggers were fixed.

Hyperbear...please gtfo. Ps4 won't have all the exclusives will it? No? Then it's not the only one I need.

Also, the size is bigger on the controller now. Which is good. Dark Witness...it's possible the Size was your problem. Give it a shot before writing it off

[AznGaara]

While I agree with them doing this, it just doesn't make sense from a marketing perspective. The Dualshock has a silhouette and layout that easily differentiates it from the xBox 360 controller. When people see the shape they automatically tink "oh thats a Playstation controller' which is why when Nintendo revealed the WiiU Pro Controller I bet most people here said "oh they're just copying from xBox," Or "wow thats just an xBox controller."

I think the DS4 is perfect for Sony. It has the 360 styled grips and triggers, convex analog stick with a lip on the edge to make it feel concave and they're also further apart so your thumbs wont hit each other.

[BLow]

@MultiConsole

For you it is.

[xabmol]

Symmetry, man! My thumbs aren't staggered; so why are the sticks?

[knocknock]

I beg to differ, now I'm not a fan boy I'm not here to say ps or xb controller is better, iv bought most of the main consoles since the nes and use third part ones on pc, the reason nintendo did the split sticks and xbox followed, was because research. It's quite intuitive when you think about it, if you stretch the thumb forward the dominant and easiest motion is forward and back, if you stretch it out the side the dominant and easiest motion is side to side. Most games use the left stick for movement and the right for direction, so the off set sticks is actually a good idea.

It matters little in the long run really, familiarity will win out in the end and only truly horrendous controllers are an issue an well we haven't see one of those since the original xbox came with the 'pastey' controller lol.
On a personal note I'm looking forward to the new ps controller, for me the old ones were never a favourite and I think this will really help me enjoy the brand more.

[thebudgetgamer]

Nope.

[rezzah]

Yes it is and that's why it is not as good as the PS controller.

Xbox controller is best for shooters and shooters only.

PS Controller works for all types of gaming.

[delboy]

Xbox controller is best for shooters and shooters only.

Thats because of trigger buttons, but asymmetrical sticks are just wrong, humans have symmetric hands.

WiiU pro controler is the perfect one.

[DigitalRaptor]

And what if you vastly prefer other genres to shooters, that the PS4 will provide?

No, in my opinion the sticks are fine exactly where they are. I've used the Xbox controller many many times, and the stick positioning is just not as suited to games outside shooters in my opinion. I think having a concave analogue sticks on the DS4 is a good step forward, as it supplies the best of both worlds - a comfortable place for your thumbs to rest, but also has the convex button shape placed where your thumbs rest to give you more active control.

They've also increased the analogue stick distance so it won't feel as small and cramped as the DS3, and it looks to have better grips and triggers too. I just feel that the DualShock fits into my hands better than the Xbox for most styles of play that I'm interested in.

[MRMagoo123]

The day my thumbs are in different places on each hand is the day the 360 controller is better than the ps3/4 controller. Till then i will keep my symmetrical hands on a dual shock controller to play games of any kind.

[InTheZoneAC]

playing on my friends 360, which is once in a blue moon, I find myself repositioning my thumb on the left analog especially after running. And the response time to aim and fire is a lot slower than compared to ps3.

PS3 controllers/players have a lot quicker reaction times and don't have to worry about the delay of the trigger button like 360 players do.

It doesn't fit my hand like a glove as you think it does.

[infamousinfolite]

Funny Analysis but here it is:

Your thumbs are like mates to each other that hate long distance relationships when they are active. So why distance them apart instead of keeping close together.

The dualshock 4 controllers will request that your thumbs be a little far apart but at least both are active down south instead of up north/down south.

[Neo-Axl]

Luckily I don't play shooters very offen, the Dualshock controller just feels pretty much perfect for every kind of genre, heck.. even if I did play shooters more offen, I wouldn't sacrifice the DS layout for one specific genre.

I dislike the X360's controller analog stick layout.

[Virtual_Reality]

This controller fixed what DS3 couldn't:

*Concave Triggers (perfect grip)
*No more convex Thumbsticks, the new designed avoids the slip with the fingers.
*Controller bigger than DS3, which is good for the big hands, and not too big, which is good for the small hands.
*Perfect grip

And is not designed only for the shooters like the Xbox 360.
It works well with fighting games using the D Pad along with other games.

[xursz]

This is the impression I get as well. Can't wait to try it for myself.

[rezzah]

I recall them saying on stage that they tweaked the rumble to perform better.

Personally I don't know how they can make it any better than what it already is (DS3).

[InTheLab]

I have a problem with the triggers. I love my shooters but thats not all I play. Certain games don't work well with triggers. At least they retained the size. Holding on to the triggers of the 360 controller for extended periods is a pain..

[animegamingnerd]

glad they are doing cause i didn't like using the PS3 controllers when came to shooters

[kevnb]

i wont judge it until i get my hands on one.

[Count]

*clap clap clap*

See, this guy knows what it's about. Some of you should take note.

[WeAreLegion]

It's Sony building a controller...

It's going to be great.

[Veni Vidi Vici]

If the touch pad can be used to aim in FPS's, then I'll agree. I know a lot of people here won't agree since most people here are strictly console players but for people that hate analog sticks for aiming, there needs to be a different option to suit different tastes.

Options are a good thing.

[MasterCornholio]

The controller looks excellent in my opinion however i need to get my hands on it before i can establish a verdict.

I really like what they did with the triggers though and the trackpad seems interesting to me. Hopefully it will be extremely useful for scrolling through menus, browsing the web etc.

[ToonarmY]

Shame it will never be as accurate as a mouse. Mouse>Controller

[jocomat9]

controller takes more skill anyway. . . mouse is so easy.

[WeAreLegion]

By that logic, everyone else you're playing against is just as good at using a mouse. Therefore, the difficulty would be the same, would it not?

O_o

[BlackTar187]

im not gonna say Mouse and leyboard are for newbs that's just stupid. I will say it is without a doubt easier.

[Ragthorn]

Mouse and Keyboard is the way to go for shooters on PC, but whenever I can I lay back and get my hands on a gamepad. For me, I prefer it that way as I get the best of both worlds.

[Monstar]

More lies and marketing hype crap.

[WeskerChildReborned]

Controller looks great, we have a PS3 fat and now a Dualshock thick lol but the controller looks comfortable.

[UnHoly_One]

I will never ever understand the people saying that the Xbox stick layout is "better for shooters", or "only good for shooters".

Obviously it's a matter of personal preference, but to me, the Xbox controller is superior in EVERY type of game, save for something that is D-Pad only, because the 360's D-Pad is awful.

To me, that sticky layout is the natural way it SHOULD be. Every other controller but the Dualshock has put the left stick up where the 360 has it. The only exception I can think of was that crap Classic controller for the Wii.

N64, GameCube, Wii U Tablet controller and Pro controller, Dreamcast, Xbox, Xbox S, Xbox 360, Ouya....

Everything but the Dualshock has the stick in the upper position. It blows my mind that Sony refuses to change.

[PirateThom]

On the flip side, though, since most games use dual stick controls, why doesn't the 360 controller have them both in the upper position?

[Hufandpuf]

Imagine having to reach down and tap the A button which is often the most used button in video games. It takes to much effort to go from the top of the controller to the bottom, thus the R Stick is right under the A or X button. These rules don't apply on the left side because the L Stick and the D Pad do essentially the same thing.

[UnHoly_One]

Dual stick controls or not, the buttons get used a LOT more than the D-Pad does. Especially on anything other than FPS games...

Most other games you only use that stick to flip the camera around, and that's it.

[leogets]

wow how can so many people talk such shit over a controller. u guys need to relax a lill god daym....

[Skate-AK]

Whoa I liked how they sneaked in Killzone Shadow
Fall remote play for Vita at the end of the article.

[Daves]

Held one at work, it's very very nice. Quite an improvement on the current DS.

Triggers are much better and the sticks seem a little wider apart.

Looks much slicker as well.

[Pillsbury1]

They improved on what was already perfect. Clickable touch pad is better than non clickable.

[Gondee]

IMO, the xbox 360 controller was much more comfortable than the PS3's dual shock. I don't like forcing my right thumb down to the stick, and holding it there for the entire time im playing. To me, the natural playing position is left thum on a stick (because it rarely moves, and the right thumb down, since it will be for the most part shared with the abyx buttons. Plus the back curves with my resting hands, so i don't have gaps between my hand and the controller. That said, i do know many DS die hards, so i guess its just not for me.

[jessupj]

"The guys who made [the system] are no longer in an ivory tower in Tokyo, it's shared with us and not just with us, but with Evolution, Santa Monica, Naughty Dog, everybody and together we've built the machine."

I am getting so hyped for the PS4. I just keep hearing all this talk about Sony asking all their developers about every aspect of the system and what they should implement. There's so much praise from developers about how awesome the ps4 is and how easy it is to develop for.

Never has any console gotten so much admiration from developers. I can not wait to see what they can do using the PS4. It's looking like we're going back to the glory days of PS2.

[Cyrax4]

And yet, they still use R1 to shoot in Killzone: Shadow Fall (go watch the Jimmy Fallon footage).

Shooting in FPS games needs to be done with the new triggers or at least give you the option to remap. A lot of shooters today still don't give you the option to choose.

[Drainage]

r1 is the best trigger button . r2 is best for secondary fire, which SF probably has with the scope thing.

[Bathyj]

Why is no one bring secondary fire up?

I miss it so much from KZ1 and it really gives weapons some variety. KZ1 has two of my favourite weapons of all time, the helghast rifle with underslung shotty and the luger pistol with full auto fire or silent shot.

Did no one notice that the charged sniper shot in the demo looked to be a secondary fire mode after equipping the scope?

I really hope they bring this back and the 2 guns I mentions with it. In fact it would be my most requested feature in the game.

[Bathyj]

Thats why I never really cared about the complaining for the L2/R2 triggers on D3, because I didnt use them, I prefer the number one buttons.

Firing should be done with the index finger, sometimes refereed to as the trigger finger. I think theres a connection there.

If you use your trigger finger on the 2 buttons, then you have to move your fingers to use them on the 1 buttons as well.

This is awkward.

Then you get a game like hitman where you need to hold the instinct button on 1, and fire with your middle finger on 2. Very unintuitive. No one fires a gun with their middle finger unless they dont HAVE a trigger finger.

I do agree though that games should have mappable controls as standard, and Sony probably should have made it standard for games to have KB&M controls. It would really draw in the FPS crowd, even PC gamers.

[ajax17]

I know it's sort of trivial, but my favorite part of the new design is the headphone jack.

[Adolph Fitler]

Yep, Sony's controller superiority took over from the SNES. Before Sony "INOVATED" the whole videogame industry, Nintendo made the best controllers for there systems. Then PS1 came along, & Nintendo lost the plot with the awkward & horrible N64 controller, then things didn't improve when they refused to add a 2nd analogue stick to the GC's controller (which was another design travesty), & things only got worse with Wii's cheap attempt, & suck-sess, with the wiggly, waggly stick...Only now has Nintendo bothered to appease there fans with Wii-U actually having a 2 analogue stick arrangement...But, once again, Sony have arrived, & shown Nintendo how it should be done.

I can't wait to get a DS4 in my hands....I just hope Sony release PS4 in Europe, Australia, NZ, instead of screwing us over in favor of the U.S.

can't someone start a petition or something, that we can all put our names to, that will nudge Sony HQ's into eventually doing something about this situation where there biggest fanbase & supporters, get screwed over in favor of a country that has less interest in Sony products.

It is a long known fact that Europe is Sony country, & that in most countries across Europe (as well as Australia), Sony PS products sell better.....And in Europe's case, accounts for the majority of PS sales. By Sony ignoring Europe, in favor of the U.S., they are slowly getting consumers offside, & many are switching to MS for gaming, as they are being made to wait a hell of a lot longer, & also pay an unaccountable, substantial, higher price.

Sony really should do a Worldwide launch, make it fairer to there biggest market, as I really don't blame people from turning away from Sony, as it feels like they are turning away from them (if your from Europe, Australia, or N.Z.).
I want a PS4 for Christmas, I'm from Australia, & the realistic suckish part is, that I haven't got a chance in hell, unless I import & I ain't doing that again.

[YourSavior]

Good guy Guerrilla games helped Sony design a better controller.

Seriously though, I am really happy with the way the controller design turned out. It looks really comfortable to hold, yet still looks identical to the DualShock 3. The new D-pad looks great, concave joysticks, along with concave L2 & R2 triggers, with more rounded L1 & R1 buttons. The Touch Pad is a great addition, if I'm not mistaken, it is also clickable? Which would be good for spotting on Battlefield, or just an extra button for like a RPG or something.

[honkayjeezus]

They should have moved the left analog up a bit. It looks a better fit than PS3 controller for FPS's, but that one is terrible to begin with.

[Welcome2Die]

I gotta say.. Im gonna really miss the Dualshock. 3 gens of that controller and it was a great controller!

[Kos-Mos]

Yes, CANT wait. Another generation of generic first-person shooters. Long live long live the unintellectual.

[FlunkinMonkey]

Long live the arrogant ppl riding on their high horse.. There's plenty of variety in these generations, o ye 'intellectual one'

[Revolver_X_]

GoW, Uncharted, GT5, PASBR, LBP all say HI.

Not to mention 3rd party games. You should get out more.

[ninjahunter]

I like the ergonomics of it, But the little touch pad is a no go, the one on the vita, i feel like was a negative. I think buttons would have been much better.

[Indo]

the DS4 looks like its shaped for thehand now. Not really conehead shaped.and Move infused

[Jdoki]

I just hope they've improved the R2 / L2 triggers. I hated those on the DS3 for some games. Other than that I think the DS3 was great, and DS4 looks like a great evolution.

[SOM3ROiD]

DS3 is not a very good controller; I often found myself having trouble it when playing, lets say, FIFA online, in some tough situations where you have to be quick and responsive, but you have to readjust your fingers on it because they just slip away from triggers and analog sticks..
Hope this DS4 will be much better than DS3.

[Captain Tuttle]

They finally have a decent design (except for the stick placement haha). It's a controller that you hold in your hands like the 360's, not with your fingers like the DS3

[Dogswithguns]

While I liked the 360 controller left thumb stick, but the right thumb stick seemed low that made me wish they sit in the same position.. on the Dual Shock, both thumb stick sit in the same direction, but felt like it down too far. that's because they needed rooms for the buttons. in the end, come to think of it, any controllers will never be ergonomicly perfect. it's just a matter of getting used to.

[JCENAdaBest]

Considering how poor the PS3 controllers are now in terms of grip- both in the controller itself and the analogue sticks as well as the fall-apart style back buttons, this better be a lot better. Think, it isn't just £30 for a new controller this time with the touch pad built in!

[isyourhouseonfire]

This controller puts the DS3 to shame, but it can't compete with MS's controller. I hope Sony makes tweaks before release... If it really exists in the first place.

[MrAnderson]

I'm eating a gingerbread man.

[Dragos75]

It basically looks the same to me but with minor additions. I'm sure it still feels the same overall. I still say the 360's controller is better because of the analogs position. I hope MS doesn't screw it up for the 720.

[DivineAssault]

Unless microsoft has some MAJOR hidden secret weapons the rumor mill knows nothing about, they will need some HUGE games to make people look the other way when they see this console..

I see GOW 4, KZ4, Uncharted 4, Gran Turismo 7, LBP 3, Last of Us 2, Last Guardian, & tons of 3rd party AAA sequels n prequels.. Also TONS of new IPs from indies, top dog dev's, & 1st party.. Combined with the features, controller, n specs, its a no brainer when launch day arrives.. I need not another console with this.. Ill have a wii u as a secondary system for zelda, metroid, smash bros, etc but PS4 will be my main & i dont really care what MS brings to the table if illumiroom/kintect 2.0 & multiplats are their selling points..

[Killabites]

God knows what they will do with control speaker, the majority of us gamers have got our consoles rigged into a HiFi, or we use gaming headphones. I hope its something you can turn off.

[thatsBangin]

Can't wait to hold it in my hands and press start

[Killabites]

When you find the start button please let us know pal.

[thatsBangin]

I never mentioned a button fella

[Spookshow]

Actually it looks pretty nice, although the touchpad looks stupidly unnecesary. Hope to be proven wrong.

[messedupworld]

My thumbs would still be in an arched postion due to poor analogue position which causes cramping during long periods of gaming. 360 controler is still the best by far for comfort.

[Kidmyst]

I'll have to feel the DS4 in my hands before passing judgement. On the 360 controller I like how those trigger buttons are curved and the concaved analog sticks. I like both the DS3 and 360 controllers for their own reasons. Can't wait to try the DS4 out.

[CaptainYesterday]

I think the PS4 controller is fantastic! It was time for a change :)