You Can't Build A PS4: Why Sony's Next Console Is Truly Next-Gen And Your PC Isn't?

The PS4 uses hardware that you simply can’t get for your custom gaming PC.Forbes contributor Carol Pinchefsky has priced out a do-it-yourself gaming PC. That the specs are somewhere in the ballpark of the PS4.

[Dylila]

For instance, the nVidia “Titan” GPU, which costs $1000 by itself, has just 6GB of GDDR5 RAM, and that’s still all reserved for the GPU. You’ll be hard-pressed to find any PC with GDDR5 plugged directly into the motherboard rather than sitting on the graphics card. This just isn’t how PCs work at the moment, though that will likely change.

GDDR5, while suffering from slightly higher latency, offers a substantial bandwidth boost over DDR3, and given the make-up of the integrated CPU/GPU chip in the PS4 this will translate to a substantial performance boost.

The PS4, on the other hand, houses an integrated CPU/GPU custom AMD chip—the “Jaguar” CPU is not available for purchase yet and the GPU side of the equation is said to be similar to AMD cards running in the $200 price-range. The secret weapon here isn’t either the 8-core CPU or the GPU, but rather how the two are paired.

Both the processor and the graphics card are built into the same chip and both tap into that 8GB of DDR5 memory at once—it’s a “unified memory” setup as opposed to the system your PC uses, with the CPU utilizing your DDR3 system memory and your GPU harnessing the more robust GDDR5.

What does this mean? Basically it means that the two chips will be able to communicate with one another much faster and more efficiently than in a traditional PC set-up. Combine this with the high-bandwidth GDDR5 memory and the fact that much of the traditional CPU tasks will be offloaded to the GPU, and you have a machine that you simply cannot compare to a modern PC.

basically the ps4 is better and more efficient for doing graphically advanced games now than the regular pc with off the shelf parts available at the moment. it doesnt matter how many video cards and ddr3 ram you cram in your pc, the ps4 can outdo it in a lot of situations. the ps4 is not only more convenient to spectate your mates, help them play a game, stream videos to the internet, cross chat with ps4 from my mobile phone or another ps4, its better than any gaming pc for technologically advance video games. ps4 is my pick because i dont have to deal with BSOD, steam, origin, uplay not loading so i can play my games. no risk of viruses to corrupt my games and all sorts i have to deal with when gaming on a pc.

the matey did say deep down is running on ps4
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

buying ps4 day one

[classic200]

Which means capcom is not lying about deep down, the guy came on stage and stated clearly its running on PS4 but lots of people from PC gamers to even playstation gamers cannot see how that is possible lol. Cant wait until E3

[8bitHero]

hmm i also dont think deep down was actually running on the ps4. for starters i dont trust a word that comes out of capcoms mouth unless its "we like to screw over our customers with locked content and the sorts" + it looked way too scripted and pre rendered. but if its real thats awesome.

[deadpoole]

Finally an article that explains it really well ... Thanks Forbes for making this article.

Bottom line is ... it's not even about building a beastly rig for as cheap as dirt or $$$$ but its about the games.

Sequel/Prequel of Killzone, Uncharted, Final Fantasy, Ratchet and Clank, Metal Gear Solid, Starhawk, Gran Turismo, Last of Us and so many more exclusive Playstation 4 games that I'm totally hyped/excited about ... and these exclusive games will never be released/available on PC.

So whats the point of having a beastly PC when you don't have anything exciting to play on except some selected multiplats (which will be releasing on consoles anyway).

[corrus]

Actually only PC fanboys not believe that this running on PS4 i am 100% sure

[joeorc]

" the guy came on stage and stated clearly its running on PS4"

exactly 100%

THEY DID NOT LIE, Some Gamer's WERE JUST NOT PAYING ATTENTION!!!!

They Said Running on PS4 "Prototype" hardware keyword is "Prototype"

its still PS4 hardware!

[user3915800]

Here comes the expert trolls, Simple the PS4 its not trully more higher end than a PC cause all the games are made from PC, the consoles will always be inferior to pcs, now shut up and let me take your money.

PS4 its a great console, so far, but as long everything its build on a PC we have no ground to say its better than it.

[blackbeld]

I suggest Trollers to go built they're own PS4 and good luck with it.

Btw Great read.

[darx]

"Sequel/Prequel of Killzone, Uncharted, Final Fantasy, Ratchet and Clank, Metal Gear Solid, Starhawk, Gran Turismo, Last of Us and so many more exclusive Playstation 4 games that I'm totally hyped/excited about ... and these exclusive games will never be released/available on PC. "

Lol! Please PC gaming slaughters what is consoles!!

[ProjectVulcan]

Poor article. AWFUL title.

No, you cannot build a PC exactly the same as PS4. But to suggest that top end PC hardware is disadvantaged against PS4 hardware wise...sheesh.

For example the article actually downplays the idea of 6GB GDDR5 video memory on a Titan graphics card, as if PS4 has more. How does it?

That 6GB of GDDR5 on Titan is dedicated. Just for video memory. When PS4 is running with its OS overhead it might have 6-7GB of memory for the whole system. Shared. No PS4 game will use 6GB of memory just for video. Maybe 3-4 tops because for system use you can expect a rough but not exact 50/50 split in video/system memory requirements. Cheaper cards have 3-4Gb of video memory on them now.

PC has system memory in addition, which is typically DDR3 and lower latency than GDDR5- that is useful for a CPU. Latency matters for CPUs. Adding raw bandwidth at the cost of latency nets no real gain in general CPU performance. You can easily dump 8GB+ low latency system memory on a PC motherboard, and have huge bandwidth video memory on the graphics card. Best of both worlds.

Titan also has a ridiculous amount of memory bandwidth, like 100GB/s+ more than PS4. Cheaper cards also have similar levels.

But yet again, this amount on Titan is dedicated, utterly and completely for video purposes. PS3 has to SHARE less, between all the processors onboard. A good modern PC CPU can add another 20GB/s+ dedicated for the CPU.

Titan is hugely overpriced for its actual performance right now (25 percent faster than say 7970 gigahertz, 3 times as expensive), because it is a premium part. That level of performance or close to it at least WON'T be such a huge price by the time PS4 launches in all territories.

"Again, what Sony has done with the PS4 is something that PC builders simply cannot do yet"- referring to an APU design.

Ummm...PC has had APU designs for well over a year now.

The point WHY they aren't in high end PC gaming machines is that it is still much much faster to have separate dies connected by a bus even if that bus doesn't have great latency.

The latency gains of two smaller chips on the same die absolutely does not make up for the potential of two much larger, individually faster chips connected by a PCIe bus. It helps, but its not a magic bullet!

No consoles don't need Windows. But then consoles can't really function as you everyday PC you probably need/want to use either.

Going into the price side is the most dangerous aspect of this article. We aren't absolutely certain of the machine's pricepoint. I have read estimates anywhere from $299, up to $599.

Not only that, there has been A LOT of talk about potential increase in the cost of console games, which surely makes sense.

PS4 will no doubt be able to outperform a comparably priced PC on games when it launches but if the games are considerably more expensive and you end up buying legacy titles again you want because there is literally no backwards compatibility then it could quickly wipe out whatever you might save on the hardware.

There is much debate over this, but in my opinion the article is of very poor quality and my post here is more useful and accurate....

[SilentNegotiator]

I didn't believe it coming in, but the article makes good points.

[CRMzova]

Deep down had to be running on the ps4 even the on screen HUD looks decent though they can simulate that but I doubt that they did

[subtenko]

You can build a PC but can your PC build games?

- Tenko

point is, I want an awesome experience overall and that includes the graphics and exclusive game library.

[N4g_null]

Show me maya running on a ps4 that can compare to my work station lol. This is funny and that article only convinced fanboys.

[killcycle]

the fact that they're even comparable is enough for me to choose Ps3 simply for the great first party games were gonna be seeing.

Also no hacks, viruses, mouse users.
Great

[Ju]

And here we go again. Read the article again (yes, you, Vulcan).

He never said that it will top a state of the art top level PC. He never said that APUs have never done before (he clearly pointed out it's widely used in mobile and PCs have APUs for a while now).

He simple points out that with that specific architecture you do not have to follow the path of the PC; with one most important factor: no PCIe and the close relation ship of GPU and CPU which you simply don't have on the PC (yet).

It's not a PC. It's not running a windows OS and it does not have the limitations what a (stock) OpenGL or DirectX API enforces. Simple. No matter if it uses the same parts or not.

Will it ever beat a Titan and 8 core I7, ever? No, probably not. But it allows you to address issues in a way a PC (running a current desktop OS) cannot. How is this so hard to accept? And for the same bang (right now) you can't build a machine which performs and costs the same.

One more note: I think (and hope) that AMD, riding this wave, will release a 4+ Core APU with a faster GPU (79xx) and GDDR on the MOBO. I am waiting for that, actually. I want just that. Just so there is no confusion. It would be a great asset; and still limited by the stupid win API ;) But it's on my bucket list as a companion for the PS4.

[bayport]

Am I the only one concerned about overheating on an "All In One" chip?

[Ritsujun]

PC sissies are mad that video game publishers troll them all the time.

[ProjectVulcan]

@Ju:

Article title: You Can't Build A PS4: Why Sony's Next Console Is Truly Next-Gen And Your PC Isn't.

PC doesn't have generations as such, but already has hardware that far surpasses PS4. The title is misleading. Strike 1.

The cost evaluations are based on unknown factors, and conveniently overlook other important aspects. Strike 2.

"Titan.....has just 6GB of GDDR5 RAM"

Just? JUST? Infers such an amount is trivial. PS4 won't even be able to call upon such an amount dedicated to video in games as I said! Strike 3.

"GDDR5.......in the PS4 this will translate to a substantial performance boost."

Boost? Over what? This suggests he was talking about a baseline example, a comparison if you will to a PC with DDR3 system memory. He only mentioned Titan, and Titan has faster memory and more bandwidth. So it isn't a boost over that. He means the CPU, which is what he is inferring gets a boost from GDDR5.

No, it doesn't really. GDDR5 sucks bad for CPU memory. Cache is included in CPUs to avoid bad latency from system memory, that is low latency memory let alone GDDR5! Latency (to main memory) would pretty much cancel out bandwidth gains, as I said. Sony's reasons for unifying this is simplicity and cost and supply chain and manufacturing etc. Not performance over having lower latency for the CPU. He can't even understand why it would be chosen as such, as a compromise.

I could go on dismantling the article just for you Ju, but why bother.

It is fundamentally defective.

[RumbleFish]

N4G was: Xbox fanboys against Playstation fanboys. Now N4G is: PC gamers try hard but without success to explain to Playstation fanboys, why the PS4 will not outperform last years high end PCs...

[thecurseddevil]

not to mention the low level access that devs have on the processor.

[adorie]

Looking top upgrade to Haswell/Maxwell next year, as I'm going over my brainstorm for the next big upgrade, I'll probably sell this PC for 700-800 bucks, minus the hard drive.

Now, witth that said above, I'm going to pick up a PS4 pre-order the minute it goes live, I've got my phone with an alert that will tell me when, from Amazon and it's logged into Amazon too, so I can make that instant buy. 500 bucks is my budget.

Make it happen, Sony.

Sincerely, a PC gamer.

[GribbleGrunger]

Now that's dedication.

[xursz]

I'm in the process of job searching so I don't miss out day one. Nobody else is going to buy me a damn PS4.

[akaakaaka]

PS4 makes people smarter and more ambitious!

[andibandit]

@xursz

hmm, so you were just planning on staying unemployed if the PS4 wasn't being released???

says more about your life, than your eagerness for PS4.

[kenshiro100]

Yes, because you know about his life.../s

[T2]

Gaming rigs can be alot of fun and with upgrades the sky is the limit. The reason I switched to consoles was no time/ money to keep up with pc gaming. Consoles have limits but let the developers find it I just want pay and play.
Therefore ps4 compared to a 1000 dollar pc = great value to me ... Or whatever a comparable pc goes for plus upgrading virus, hardware, etc is annoying unless you have time to really get into it. Then itcan be fun.

[cellmember]

what a load of rubbish. You could say a similar thing about any past console of the time but look how things turned out. A high end PC of today is far beyond the capabilities of a ps4. The architecture of how the ps4 is configured will only take it so far. 8GB of GDDR 5 unified memory is the only thing respectable in the ps4 specs. Both the CPU and likely GPU of the ps4 at a pc level are considered below mid range and that is just today. When the ps4 is actually released pc technology would of evolved even further. The reality is no console will ever surpass a high end PC and any one with common sense knows this. You buy a ps4 for its games, its services , ease of use and because its a playstation its that simple.

[kingrev]

I agree PCs are and always be more powerful than consoles but tell me one thing, where are the PC exclusives? so far multi platform games like crysis 3 and far cry 3 are the only games that are actually giving expensive PCs a run for its money, but games like GoW, Uncharted, Last of us, Gran Turismo wont be seeing the light on PCs which is a shame because those games have stunning graphics but the PCs will never get the chance to run them, so basically you will be paying thousands of dollars just to play a few games that might look slightly better in the long run which in my opinion just sucks, because it will take atleast two years to get to that point or even more.

[HappyGaming]

And one more thing when you compare specs for specs you will see one thing. No PC built with PS3 specs could run a game like The Last of Us on 512mb of RAM. So when did we forget all of the sudden what happened last gen and start comparing the PS4 CPU and GPU to a standard PC?

[kayoss]

Yes a high end PC will always far beyond the capabilities of a PS4 and any other console. But how much are you paying for that high end PC? $1000? $1500? or $2000? Thats the problem with you PC gamers who bashes consoles. Everyone with a freakin brain knows that a High end PC is better then any console out there, but at what cost? People are already complaining about the PS3 being too expensive, if Sony were to built a console that is equal to a high end PC how much would it cost? I use to play PC games but constant upgrading just to simply enjoy a game got to me. I bought a console to enjoy hassle free of making sure that i have the correct spec to play a game.

[Chinkyinc18]

@kayoss
How much are you willing to pay for console games? $60, probably $70 for the next gen? I have made back all the money I put into my PC though the sales of PC game. I haven't paid more than $15 for AAA games in years. As of late, prices are getting even better with online moogle like Amazon trying to to compete with Steam and such. Most new games that you preorder on console maybe have a 10 dollar drop in price for incentive, but with most PC preorders, if you do some searching, can be netted in for $30 dollars. So yay, have fun paying extra money for the console version cause Sony, MS, and Nintendo want their part of the cash. Oh yeah, we PC gamer have a tendency to 'UPGRADE' when new tech comes out instead of dropping another half a G on a new console or rig, so the hit on our finances are probably easier to absorb. I love my Playstation, but I don't like the money grabbers behind the company.

[Ju]

There is actually one exclusive for the PC, and the irony is, it's from SOE: PlanetSide2. But, this might just run perfect on the PS4. Hope they'll release it there, too.

[wsoutlaw87]

@Chinkyinc18 that game price argument is old and nonsense. New pc games are retailing at the exact same price as consoles. How much will crysis 3 be? 60$. They have announced ps4 games would stay 60 or less but your going to try to say 70. All games have sales when you go to amazon and other sites. Plus on your pc can you get used games or gamefly. Everyone can hold out to buy games until they are on sale.

[Chinkyinc18]

@wsoutlaw87
I've never seen a game on console drop past $20 on sale. Those same games on sale for $20 drop as low as $5 on Steam and Amazon on a regular basis. I didn't say that console games don't go on sale, but they can never match the sale prices of their PC counterpart. Plus, games stores don't have daily deals or weekend deals or free weekends, so on, so on. Why by used when I can get new for cheaper?

[WarThunder]

As much as i like the PS4! I Think PC is also and the top next gen! I have a 500 euro PC and i can play Crysis 3 on max (looks as good as the gameplay trailer from KZ) and whats great about PC, is that PC games are cheaper than console games! And i also think PS4 will be the only console that will not hold PC back...

[scott182]

True but pc wont play the cool ps4 exclusives!

[HappyGaming]

Ok so for 500 euros you have something similar to the PS4. Then why not buy a PS4 when it will likely be around the same price? And then you can play Crysis 3 and you can play all the PS4 exclusives on top and you can have the seamless connectivity.

No steam, no origin, no uplay.

One network where all your friends are and you can message no matter what game they are playing?

Simply just a box for roughly the same price as your PC roughly the same graphics but play games and offers a dozens of services that are based JUST around games.

What is so wrong with having a system that is dedicated to gaming?

[Oh_Yeah]

@Gumtrol it's always nice having a Sony console for their 1st party exclusives and for the console games that don't make it to pc like Red Dead Redemption . I've mainly been a console gamer myself but Pcs are best for multiplats 1. You'll never have to worry about backwards compatibility 2. You can mod games to extend them/ make them look better,.. Change things you can't on a locked down console 3. Games can be found cheaper and it's cheaper overall to do pc gaming 4. Pcs do everything no restrictions.. You can play wii games, snes games, dreamcast games, PS2 games etc all the systems except ps3,xbox 360 and 3DS are playable through emulation.. Overall it's cheaper in the long run.. You buy an 800$ pc and you might have to upgrade it after 6-7 years to keep up just like a console but that upgrade doesn't have to cost you big bucks, maybe 300$ max to pull off better performance than upcoming consoles. plus it's an all in one device.. Movies, games, work, surfing the Web..whatever you want.. Where as consoles once theyre old...they are old all you have it for is a blu ray player/ old game player and a Web surfer.

[T2]

Ya but you will upgrade that low end pc ,, guaranteed. It will be outdated in 2 years max. Then what? Ive nothing against pc gaming its fun but dont tell me its cheaper

[JetP0619]

Well said. lots of thorough insight and legit facts and information.

[SAE]

Bubble for you o.o

[sourav93]

I agree completely.

P.S. great copy and paste job. (Just compare the last big paragraph with the first 4; notice the difference is grammar).
Next time, please put quotes around the sections you've copied and pasted from the article in question to avoid people thinking that the comment is your own. Thanks.

[DoomeDx]

I like how you copied the entire article

http://www.forbes.com/sites...

And got ''Well Said'' bubbles by it..
____

Also, since when has RAM become so super important?
Your acting like RAM is the most important factor in a videocard.

"For instance, the nVidia “Titan” GPU, which costs $1000 by itself, has just 6GB of GDDR5 RAM, and that’s still all reserved for the GPU"

That doesnt mean a thing.. Get educated.

Seriously. The PS4 is a good system! An amazing system even. But people are obsessing with the 'RAM' part. While they have no clue what they are even talking about.

[ZombieNinjaPanda]

Remember, Ram makes graphics better! /s

"8 Gb GDDR5" has become the new "The Power of the Cell" and most people spouting it don't even know what it means.

[Ju]

What? You guys hurt because you can't say "mine is bigger" for once?

[SephirothX21]

I hope your joking? The GTX Titan has 6gb GDDR5 RAM dedicated entirely to the gpu. The PS4 has to share 8gb between cpu and gpu. Most computers now have 16gb DDR3 ram just for the cpu alone at 1600mhz and upwards speed. Memory isn't the most important thing with graphics cards. The speed of the gpu is. The PS4 gpu is equivalent to a GTX 660 in speed at 1.84 teraflops single precision. The GTX Titan is 4.5 teraflops single precision and the GTX 680 is 2.5. Also, the cpu in the PS4 is poor in comparison to the i7. Probably will run at 3.2ghz whereas on a pc, unlocked i7s can be overclocked to over 5ghz. Not to mention that on PC, you could have three GTX Titans on the same motherboard. The PS4 is good for a console but it can't touch what modern high end pcs are capable of. Though if it releases for 500 euro, its still a very good deal and its games and online features will be its primary attraction.

[thawind]

I wonder how much all that cost?

[Tundra]

*sigh*

First and foremost, you'll never use over 4 GB of VRAM running a video game. The PS4 probably won't even use 3GBs ever since the GPU is a mid ranged one. You can't stack on AA, AF, high res (over 1080p) like a fully decked out card or an SLI set up because the GPU will choke trying to run everything. Bandwidth and capacity don't mean anything if the GPU can't process the information given fast enough.

Secondly, GDDR5 doesn't do anything for the CPU. Why do you think it's not even out yet for PCs? No one needs it at all. DDR3 possesses a memory bandwidth more than adequate enough so that the CPU doesn't hit the bandwidth cap. It hardly ever does, especially running a video game. You'll see no gains when the CPU uses GDDR5 in comparison to DDR3.

Lastly, optimization is wonderful but it doesn't mean developers have magic. KZ4 looks absolutely boss but its running at 30fps. Why you say? Because the graphics card isn't powerful enough to give a smooth experience at 60fps.

The boon to the PS4 is that I get a console that is a mainstream device, I can play with my friends and I have access to the cool exclusives that Sony dishes out.

Now I know why people spend so much money in marketing. I don't even have a gaming PC but jesus, there's more to a computer than RAM.

[webeblazing]

and this is what pc gamers been saying over the last few days and got bashed even giving credit it makes us look bad to be ps fans when we cant be humble.

[PCpower]

@Tundra

I tried to educate consolers about these facts too, but they seem to like to remain blind to facts. Like if you google PCIE 3.0 vs 2.0 for gaming then they will see that even at a the slower 2.0 PCIE buss, the game frames per second do not change for video cards that are PCEI 3.0 capable. Also, if they bother to google CPU ram bandwidth vs performance, then they would see that CPU's gain zero benefit from higher bandwidth ram. It is low latency that matters the most for CPU's. They also do not understand that the RAM on video cards is only for texture render storage for rendering on screens. You only need like 1.5 GB of Vram to render on a 1920*1080P screen. Higher GB is for muli-screen setups or resolutions approaching 4K. That is assuming of course that the GPU can even render such a large frame without a major performance hit.

......sigh....Just let them be ignorant of PC tech...They are consolers...Consolers just need to stick with their consoles and leave the PC crowd alone.

[N0S3LFESTEEM]

Another thing people tend to forget is that we can adjust the graphics settings on PC to encompass that 60fps mark if our cards our powerful enough. On the PS4 it'll be up to the developers and most of them will likely flock to the 30fps mark...

My 680 (2gb) gets a solid 60fps (vsync) on 64 player maps in BF3 on ultra while a reference 7850 max's out at a whooping 35-40. I'm not boasting at all but trying to make an example that the tech in the PS4 isn't pushing the boundries at all... the only thing that's even impressive about it is that 8gigs of GDDR5 which even then is complete overkill given the specs. Now if they change it up and put either a 7950 or 7970 in it then I would be more impressed but right now a 7850 is a entry level card and nothing worth bragging about even with whatever architecture they use with it.

[djthechamp24]

I dont know how many times i done seen you on here man, its a fucking shame you spend alot of time on this website but you do know your stuff...sometimes

[hobohunterz]

Good job for copying half the article into your post to make it look like you know what your talking about

[akaakaaka]

intelligent talk here and PC fanboys will not accept it!

no wonder that this game looked way ahead anything.. "KZSF"

bubbles ;)

[sdplisken]

holy crap that sounds awesome!!!!

[joab777]

Well said. Initial launch games are hard to judge, eapecially right now because i doubt their dev kits are even indicative of the final product. Wait til someone has time with it to make it really run, maximizing its benefits. Didnt one developer say that he didnt even know there was gonna b 8 gb, thought it would be 4. But they do need some games for launch. Guerilla and sucker luch, coupled with naughty dog, sony santa monica, media molecule for first party, capcom, ubisoft, activision, EA etc. Will be able to provide us with enough great games to keep us interested for the first 2 yrs while developers begin to dig into this machine. But, it wont be until 2015 that we begin to see what it can really do. This is fine because so many great developers will habe a much easier time putting games on this system. Amd pc gamers should be happy because now developers can spend more time on their game and less figuring out how to make a worthy version for alien cell hardware.

[Psn800]

Yeah this ps4 is a Mean Machine .

[JsonHenry]

I believe those games could have all been running on the PS4. Why? Because even though all of it looked great there was nothing shown that couldn't run on a current gaming PC that was shown. If anything I expect those graphics to get better by release than what was shown.

[steve30x]

@ Dylila : I said what you just said that the PS4 hardware will be better optomised than PC hardware but I got a lot of disagrees even though Sony worked hard to make sure the hardware works best for gaming. I totally agree with you even though I do 99% of my gaming on my high end PC.

[hano]

You're doing a great job hyping the PS4, I bet Sony pays you guys well.

Sony fanboys will believe anything, anything!

[forum67]

Computer science students who have read - computer architecture and organization as there course study will either have cancer or preparing popcorn ,while reading this.

[IAmLee]

...Did... am I seeing this correct? A sony article... that... That isn't a hate article?!

[1nsaint]

Lol i first thought you where smart as fuck, but then i noticed you just copied the article xD

[turgore]

2 years. Graphics king will be on PC.

[thawind]

Wow like how that was explained bravo. Day one for me as well.

[Walker]

Great article!

Bubble up+ to you Dylila:)!

[iNathan]

Some drivers dont work, constantly upgrade and wasting Money you could use to buy games instead.

With Ps4 you buy the Console and for at least 7 years you dont need to do anything else, just buy your games and play them everyday, online or offline.

Thats the reason i love Console Gaming.

[Veni Vidi Vici]

Spoken like a true console sheep.

So much ignorance on this site when it comes to PC gaming. I play them all but some of the stuff that gets passed around as truth for PC gaming is laughable.

@lena:
No, spoken like a person that plays them all so knows the pro and cons for both. What Bar_Brothers said is simply not true. I haven't had a driver problem in probably 5 years and that was for a 10 year old product that the company didn't support any longer. I upgrade maybe every 3-4 years and it costs about $300-$400 but I also use my PC for many other things than just gaming so it's a win-win. I also get to use whatever control scheme I like, have mod support, and have access to many games that console don't have.

I enjoy my consoles just as much as the PC. You don't see me putting them down. All I'm doing is calling out the ignorance of PC gaming.

[kingmushroom]

Stop trolling GTFO

Edit: I know the truth hurt you, but we are no sheep just a strong fan base.

[JsonHenry]

I haven't had driver problems in about 3-4 years myself.

Also- I typically build a high end PC every two years. Not because I have to. But because I am a tech whore. My wife can play all games maxed out on my old machine that was a phenom 965,8gig RAM, and an HD5870. And that machine is over 3 years old. More like 4 years old now.

This site has a lot of weird and backward information when it comes to PC gaming.

[Allsystemgamer]

I haven't upgraded my PC in 3 years and I'm still maxing all my games. My 2nd ps3 just died this week (luckily I have a replacement plan) and I've been through 5 360s.

The wasting money on upgrades ONLY applies to people who want to stay up to date constantly. My last upgrade 3 years ago was $250. I see no need to upgrade any time soon.

Plus the average console game costs $15 more per game than a PC game.

I STILL don't get why you console fanboys keep making things up. PC gaming is only expensive if you MAKE it expensive.

Ill be getting a ps4 day 1 but please stop with the whole drivers never work/ always upgrading/ PC has no games crap because its utterly false.

[DigitalSmoke]

Excuse my french but uhm...
You're full of a shit, a 3 year old setup will not run Witcher 2 for at a stable playable framerate.

[Eldyraen]

You don't have to play at max, plus if the upgrade was on a gfx card then that was plenty for W2 without a few bells and whistles (mostly SS or whatever they called it, forgot as not perfect). Old CPUs from 2-3 generations ago are still perfect for anything today (especially if i7).

[Nerdmaster]

@DigitalSmoke

My PC with i7 920 and GTX 285, that I bought years ago, does.

[SAE]

Yes. Ps4 is a big leap for consoles. But we can't compare it to the pc specs. But ps4 will not hold back the pc for few years. All people should accept this and get over it..

Now . We all should shut up about this. It's not enough having political fights? Gaming about playing not fighting -.- .

[thawind]

I still have my first ps3 running like a champ and your point is?

[DoomeDx]

Cant wait to see you create mods and levels on your console with a graphicaly advanced engine like Unreal 4 or Cryengine. Wait you cant..Thats a PC feature.

But seriously though, this PS4 VS PC non-sense is getting annoying. Most articles since the announcement have been about PC comparisons.

Were gamers. We should love and respect every system we can play games on. Dont we all love games?

[shutUpAndTakeMyMoney]

"Update: Just to clarify, I’m not at all suggesting the PS4 will out-pace gaming PCs"

Same article..

Does this mean pc is dead again? Oh boy...

[Ares84HU]

PC elitists will not accept this and will keep spreading lies about the PS4. I don't know why they need to shit on the PS4 so much. The hate from PC elitists are just amazingly huge and I never expected that.

[Veni Vidi Vici]

Many of them do it because console people do the same for PC's. What's amazing is that both sides are so blinded by their bias that they can't even think objectively about each side.

[Korezo]

LMAOO like look at what the first commenter wrote

" it doesnt matter how many video cards and ddr3
ram you cram in your pc, the ps4 can outdo it"

I can't tell if people are serious or really that dumb.

[Ares84HU]

Well I play on both PS3 and PC as well so I don't feel the need to shit on either but honestly speaking pc elitists are the worst of fanboys and the most biased.

[telekineticmantis]

PC players had nothing to do with the console war, I mean just look at the name Cooooonnsssssoollleee Waaaaaarr. PC players butted into the conversation because they felt ignored and wanted to prove a point, same thing with Nintendo fanboys.

This whole thing started with Xbox 360 and PS3. 360 fanboys went to Youtube and called the PS3 a paper weight, and said nothing the Ps3 has will ever look as good as Gears of war, PS3 fanboys replied and that's who the fight should of been between, because they had a real reason to disagree with eachother.

Even to this day after all the PC players have done, console gamers barely care about them. How many comments do you see on a WOW video are from console players hating on it 0.0000001%. PC fanboys want attention, that's all, they wanna be better than everyone else, they can't live without that recognition.

[Ares84HU]

@telekeneticmantis

Console Wars didn't start with Xbox 360 vs PS3. It started way before that. The first thing I remember was Nintendo vs SEGA. That was a LOOOONG time ago. PC gamers always have to prove a point. Their point is that PC gaming is superior and nothing comes close and if you don't game on PC than you are not a gamer, in fact you are a sub-human. That is their point.

[Allsystemgamer]

Ever look at why? Most console fanboys make crap up about PC gaming

Man using kbm sucks (u can use ANY controller on PC)

It's so expensive! (PC games are cheaper, always on sale)

Upgrading all the time! (Nope. Only those who want top of the line 24/7. Cards from 3-4 years ago still max the best games today)

Drivers and fidgeting with settings is annoying! (Haven't done that for years. Plus...doesn't the ps3 constantly have updates all the time? Yes it does. I have one.)

It has no games lol PC gaming sukzzzz (his year alone the platform has 50+ exclusives plus games that are next to impossible/ don't play well on consoles)

Please. Why can't we all get along? The ps4 is a beast. But making crap up about another platform is wrong.

[Dark5tar1]

On PC, games are cheaper to get more than console, and have more customization/optimization.
On console, it's a cheaper alternative than building a PC and has exclusive titles.

[LeoDDestroyer]

Not every game is compatible with a controller and even emulation software doesn't do a good job at getting controllers to work. Also what is the definition of max on PC games? I keep hearing everyone said they run games on max but what does that really mean.

[PCpower]

@Allsystemgamer

I think at this point it is futile to even post a response to consolers. The consolers are too ignorant to understand what you said. I use my Xbox 360 controller on the PC to play the following: Trine 2, Super Meat Boy, Alice: Madness Returns, The Cave, Darksiders 2, and Darksiders. The ony time I use my K/M is for FPS games, RPG's or MMO's. I did not have to install any driver to make the 360 controller work. Windows 7 immediately recognized the controller and the games I played automatically mapped the proper keys for the controls in the games. Hell, even STEAM's big picture mode maps the xbox 360 controller keys correctly!!

Steam had a THQ publisher sell off where I bought 10 games that are AAA titles for $20!! Sega also had a publisher pack that included Sega Dreamcast Collection that they released for PC for only $30!! Let's also not forget about the many great Indie games out there!

sigh....Consolers will never understand... Just let them say what they want....Ignorance can only be cured when someone is willing to learn..

[Qrphe]

Why are we even categorizing PC in gens again? The "console-centrism" is a bit ridiculous.

[Rainstorm81]

I agree...Consoles have generations....PCs are an ever evolving platform..it's really dumb to compare the two

The PC vs Playstation graphics fanboy war started with Crysis.......DAMN YOU CRYTEK!!!!!

[yesmynameissumo]

Wrong thread.

[I_LOVE_MYSELF]

I'm no PC fanboy. In actual fact Sony are my go to guys for gaming.

"Why Sony's Next Console Is Truly Next-Gen And Your PC Isn't?"

But THAT is a horrible title.

[MasterCornholio]

Cool article.

[dafegamer]

well time to get popcorn. PC gamer shitstorm in 3...2...

[DigitalSmoke]

I jumped from over 15 years of building/tweaking/overclocking high end PC's to consoles as well.
Less hassle, better software exclusives and more optimized by miles.
The golden PC age is far behind us, The whicher 2 is the only beam of sunlight we got last year.

Ill pass on that.

[MacDonagh]

50,000,000 Steam users disagree.

[DoomeDx]

The 'whicher' (atleast learn how to spell) is not the only game thats greatly enchanced on PC..

Play Crysis 3, Borderlands 2, metro, or any other of the 50+ games that came out on PC before making such an idiotic statement.

[DoomeDx]

Oh the irony.. I meant enhanced

[givemeshelter]

You're a Console only gamer by that statement

[Coach_McGuirk]

and then in 2 years the pc will be back ahead. it's how the game goes, my friends.

[TemplarDante]

And, that makes your virtual penis grow by how much again?
PC fanboys.... my God, their the worst.

[Coach_McGuirk]

I wasn't bragging.. i have a ps3, 360, and pc and love them all. I was simply stating what has happened in the previous couple of console generations, and will happen in this one.

besides, I'd argue that over-sensitive sony fanboys are worse..

[Dark5tar1]

All fanboys are the worst IMO. They are all equally terrible.

[kingmushroom]

Thanks for the input Dark5tar1 my Penis grew about 12 inches.

[user3915800]

LMAO, The high end has always been better than any console, we have pcs that doubles what the PS4 can do, people dont know much about tech, the only thing they know its come to N4G cut and paste articles with people lacking technical experienced or knowledge.

Example highest gpu triple tHe gpu in ps4, I7 doubles the processing power, I have a pc with 32 GB of DDR5 4X RAM, ALL PCS ARE UPGRADABLE. We are talking here folks, and here go build your own PC instead of trolling with pure ignoranced. http://www.cyberpowerpc.com...

Here compare it to this http://computers.toptenrevi...

[pennywhyz]

Yup.But sony fan boys still wont beleive it.They will swear up and down that their ps4 specs are better. And of course their exclusives $65 for 7 hrs lmao.Sony has all of you on a fishing hook.BAIT MOFO'S

[madjedi]

You talk of others being ignoranced(wtf) and yet you claim to have 32 gigs of ddr5 and three idiots agreed with you. Ddr4 isn't even out yet, if it was the next box would likely use it.

For as ignorant as some of pc guys, claim us console gamers are you pc guys aren't much better.

"people dont know much about tech" Yeah you should add yourself to that tally.

[user3915800]

@ majedi, this is what im talking about, DDR4 never existed for commercial or never will, it was ddr, ddr2, ddr3, and ddr5. DDR4 will not come to comercial use, ugh... freaking troll, grow up and learn what you are talking about before you open your pie hole. Go back to 3rd grade (FOR example of trolling ignoranced see above).

Here a little private section for you:
1 DDR =1DDR
1 DDR 2 = 2X DDR
1 DDR 3 - 2X DDR2
DDR4= NON EXISTANCE AND NEVER WILL FOR comercial use, only SERVERS and corps only @ 1.5 ddr3
1 DDR 5 = 2X DDR3
End of private tuition 101, now grow up a little.

[Rainstorm81]

Ouch!

http://youtu.be/cKCOGq-eFQQ

[TemplarDante]

Great article,
Is it so hard to understand?
Im going to boycott N4G if the pc fanboys dont stop their idiotic articles.
Like "How to buildz a PS4 like Kindz Off"
or misleading titles like
"Teh Cynisizm of teh PS4 Hardwarez" ..
When really, there is NO negativity at all around the hardware and the article really meant around the fact Sony didnt show the physical console.
Grow up guys. Really.

[Allsystemgamer]

Then tell your console only brothers to stop Makin up lies about PCs. See my above post for details.

[kingmushroom]

Stop begin so sensitive if PC fanboys cant handle the truth, then they don't belong in the Internetz

[Convas]

YES! Please leave!

Good riddance.

[TheBeardedRhino1]

Dylila, if you were sales person pitching me to buy a PS4 which of course I already am, you would've got my sale. Keep up the great work.

[koston3647]

Very well written article.
props to forbes

[SirBradders]

I agree heavily it was unbiased and very professionally written which is rare these days lol

[Mr-Dude]

Bubble for Dylila

[Psychotica]

Can't wait to see what happens when a common game comes out. One side of the argument is going to have their foot in their mouth..

[Skynetone]

there all common games, well for pc next gen it will be

lets see crysis 4 / battlefield 4

pc gamers will be comparing shadow quailty/lighting etc

i mean if the pc version has like 5000 players and hundreds of square miles, then ill be amazed, but until that day, ill struggle on with my ps4

[SirBradders]

To be honest seeing all these comments, all fanboys of this or that piece of hardware or company need to get a life and stop ranting like cave men. Im a console and pc man myself and its simple a console you buy once for x amount of years and only need games and a few accessories but are somewhat limited to no mods, dlc only stuff etc...
Although pc wise if you have the money you can build a powerhouse get all these great custom mods, higher graphics more framerate etc... and is a more community driven scene as a whole.
SO IN GAMING TERMS WE ARE ALL GAMERS THE MORE WE GET ON THE BETTER WE CAN WORK TOGETHER TO PUSH DEVELOPERS MORE REGARDLESS.

[TheBeardedRhino1]

Hey careful with what you're saying there if you don't got all the facts. I only speak for myself when I say I got a life and pretty damn good one at that. I also am not a fanboy of either console or company. As a matter of fact, I own both an Xbox 360 and PS3 and looking to build my own kick-ass PC in the near future. Hell I will most likely get the new Xbox along with the Ps4 just because each have their pros and cons. By the way, no disrespect meant to you or your opinion.

[Count]

You guys understand that 3.5/4 of Dylila's post was ripped off of the article? The only part of the post that belongs to him is the last segment.

[Nerdmaster]

N4G users never read the articles, they only read the title and the comments.

[RandomDude655]

Why read the articles....game journalism is shit

[TheBeardedRhino1]

Well then the last segment was good in my opinion, but I am just only one person out of how many?

[KillrateOmega]

Well, this is going to piss off a LOT of PC games here on N4G...

[LAWSON72]

I guess my last gen pc will still out perform the ps4

[dafegamer]

does it have uncharted?

[Eldyraen]

Does PS have Starcraft, more than 2 MMOs and countless other games consoles never get?

The fact is different platforms are great for certain games and often have different audiences. Sometimes they cross over but doesn't make any platform (or games) better or worse than others as long as people are enjoying it. I'm just glad we have as much variety as we do.

[WeskerChildReborned]

No but it'll have Witcher 3 :P

[gamernova]

So the ps4 is more efficient? Obviously they made the chipset they way they did to save money. Efficiency does not beat out raw force. I guess most console gamers do not know enough about tech to actually know what the article is saying. I do not want tech like the ps4. If that is the future of motherboards then we will be forced to upgrade everything based on an established chip-set and I love customization. It is true, you cannot build a ps4. As a PC gamer, why would I want to? O.o I like my separate gfx card, Ram, and processor. I do not want them clumped together. Again, you can't currently build a ps4. But you can build systems that totally stomp on it with parts that go beyond the ps4. Next gen is current gen for pc gamers. A console gamer that simply games (if lucky) at 1080p doesn't know.

And the tech for the ps4 has been established...what of the new pc tech that is coming out? So not only is pc gaming already more advanced but we don't have to wait 8 year-10 year cycles for new tech. This is why PC gamers have the lead all the time.

So in conclusion, yes, pc gamers cannot build a custom chipset like the ps4 but we can definitely build something better. Just saying.

But the ps4 definitely looks awesome compared to its ancestor. At the end of the day we all profit from hardware advances.

[kevnb]

everyone is always talking about the ram first thing. Since when is ram speed the most important thing? A better processor trumps faster ram. I cant speak for the apu yet, but so far I havent been impressed with the apus on the market now. we will see.
Anyway, Ill get a ps4, not for the specs but for sonys games.

[TemplarDante]

The thing I dont get about pc fanboys, is how when the next Xbox is
8 Cores Jaguar(2 reserved for OS)
12 CU DX11 card
8GB DDR3 ram (2 reserved for OS)

They will say both the PS4 and Xbox 3 are similarly spec'd?
Like it or not kids, if you downplay PS4 specs, the next Xbox specs is a turd.

6 VS 8 Cpu cores
12 Cu's VS 18 Cu's
8GB DDR3 VS 8GB GDDR5
@KevnB
You do realise,
These are not Vanilla Jaguar Cores in the console? And this is a GPGPU.
@Dread
Considering SuperDAE got the specs and documents of both consoles and has been very very accurate with his stolen info, I do believe their true.
Afterall, Ms did get him arrested, even if they denied doing so.

[Dread]

I did not know that MS annouced the specs of the new system.

But I guess it is not relevant to the mind of the sony fanatic, since even if they are better than the playstaiton 4 when they are finally announced, a fact we do not yet know, all of you will still find thigs to hate MS for.

[Roper316]

the PC is missing the most important thing to me in this comparison, the 1st party studios & the exclusive games they make that can only be had on the PS platform. The games will always dictate my gaming preference and noone has been unable to unseat the PS brand for varied gaming experiences at least in my opinion.

[givemeshelter]

You do know that the PC has ore exclusive games released in a calender year then the PS and Xbox and Nintendo combined? Most are indie games but most of those are amazing. Moreover why are we comparing power with a PC when the PC will ALWAYS be ahead because its not a closed box.
After two years with these consoles on the market the PC will once again mover very far ahead of these consoles...
Just enjoy the games you play

[Roper316]

actually I do realize that and picked myself up a PC to game on over X-mas. There is a few survival horror games that are coming that I am very interested in and the consoles have all but done in survival horror games for mass appeal with a more action oriented approach.

But there are certain franchises only available on the PS platform that I really enjoy and can't play anywhere else like GoW, UC, Sly, R & C, KZ and games like Heavy Rain and Beyond that is coming out later this year. That is just a handful out of alot of IP's only available on the PS.

[ps3_pwns]

those games suck and are rip offs of console games like zelda and mario and such. they all look like flash games to lol. a bunch of shovelware games and crap dont mean crap. smart phones has a billion new games doesnt mean they come close to what is offered exclusively on consoles. Consoles is icons, pc is generic mess WoW graphics.

[madduey]

Just purchased a custom built gaming rig for £800 not just for games but dev work too and as stunning as this PC is games running at full 1080p 60+FPS etc I think the ps4 will be my main gaming platform I know the games are going to be amazing just look how gorgeous Sony first party games are on the ps3. But it's not just that I think it'll be the socially integrated os that's gonna be the big thing next gen. Just look at the iPhone it's just a phone a good looking one at that but it was the OS that caught on and the whole user interaction with that device people want that experience they want more interaction, to a certain extent that's why the kinect has done as well as It has it gives users a new way to interact...
Obviously we've only had a glimpse at what Sony are offering next gen and I can't wait to see what else they're bringing to the table... Focus squarely on Microsoft now if their hardware isn't as powerful as Sonys but has strong networking capabilities with lots of multitasking programmes ie, TV tuner/DVR/Bluray etc ill give it some thought but maybe not at launch ill see how the services they offer evolve over the first year.

[indychad]

Why don't all you fanboys go some where and die... I am a gamer and that's it I have no stake in the console businesses nor do any of you dumb ass people.. stop worrying about what's system is better and just play. This younger generation are fu@king babies you guys would not of lasted growing up in the 70's and 80's

[black911]

Wow This is Amazing. Bravo Sony!!!!

[Tei777]

Who ever thought we'd see a raging fanboy war between playstation and PC gamers LOOOOL

I do not understand tech but my understanding is this:

PS4 extremely efficient for its spec range but if you're willing to throw enough money at a PC rigs CPU/GPU you'll be outpacing it regardless.

Can we all just be friends now?

[V0LT]

I'm just gonna say who really cares the moment PS4 is released it is already behind. More powerful cards are not gonna stop being developed for the PC. I am not anti-console either.

[KontryBoy706]

this has to be a TROLL article lol... come on man are you serious lol

[profgerbik]

Why do people bother, I love the PS4, I absolutely love that they are using more recently made components but PC will always be more powerful just because you cannot upgrade a console unless a new one comes out which it really isn't an upgrade more like a complete replacement.

PC's now can run multiple CPU's so I don't get why people think the CPU in the PS4 is really going to blow PC's out of the water.

Unless the PS4 is sporting two 12 core cpu's and 128GB of RAM... I find it hard to believe it will beat even today's high end PC's because that is what they are running with not to add the fact the amount of RAM you can add in a PC compared to a console is not even comparable it won't be like how the PS3 was at the time but PC components since then have radically been changed and I mean are changing fast.

Sadly there is just no way the PS4 can keep up with how quickly new motherboards, GPU's, CPU's and RAM are made or even more efficient hard drives like SSD.

Technology has been advancing a crap load for PC's that is why consoles, handhelds and smart phones and tablets basically most electronics have all become so much more powerful because of all those advancements. Even Smart TV's are basically like a PC.

Sad thing is phones are becoming so ridiculous there will probably be a phone at the end of the year just as powerful as most consoles.. Why on earth we need phones that powerful or even with 8 cores is beyond me.

Will phones be able to game the same probably not but power wise the PS4 just isn't going to last, consoles just can't last like that. Can the PS4 be the most powerful console? Sure it probably can but will it be more powerful than even today's high end PC's far from it even it being more focused on gaming and running less processes than PC ever would, PC's are just too ridiculous now even with it's new CPU.

I mean it isn't like these companies are going to stop making CPU's for PC or any of the other components for that matter..

[LeoDDestroyer]

I think the excite, at least mines, is about the developers. We have seen what developers can do with so little(PS3 & 360)and now they have even more power that they can master.

Gaming on PC is fun but I find it hard to find a game that really pushes for the story(The Witcher 1 & 2 is the only ones that I liked story wise). Games on the console do that for me though. I'm always open to suggestion too.

[dcbronco]

Am I the only one that noticed Forbes actually did a gaming article where the author actually had a clue?

[brich233]

It doest matter if u did have a pc with ps4 specs because your still not going to have GoD Of War, Uncharted, killzone and many Triple A Exclusive games that Sony will most likely release.

[younghavok]

Idc how powerful the thing is if it costs an arm and a leg. 600 for a PS3 was too much and this thing sounds like its going to pretty close to that. Its stuffed with top of the line Ram, a more advanced controller, and semi expensive cpu abd gpu and built in hdd. There is a reason Sonys stock dropped after it was unvieled. I look at the Wii U as comparison. Its sold at a loss at 350. Sony cant really afford that kind of hit right now so im assuming itll be about 450 or 500, which imo is too expensive for a console, and that isnt including a game. We'll see if Sony can keep this thing afloat against Nintendo, MS, and Steam.

[josephayal]

Im probaly going to sell my $14,000 usd gaming PC for a PS4

[AKS]

Not this again...

[Rageanitus]

Here we go again..... the console will never be as powerful as a gaming PC.
The specs of a console are FIXED, the specs of a PC change constantly.. and NO you don't need to spend massive amounts of money to so called massive updates.

Let history repeat itelf again and again.... remember last gen they promised to do games in HD.. well most games native ARE NOT above 720 p. let alone even reaching that resolution... and the FPS is not that high either.

Just look at he xbox, the top tier games i.e. Halo, Gears are far from 1080p

and as for Ps3. same thing KZ2/3 Uncharted. they do look good but the textures, and resolution are not the greatest.

and now onto COD... it simply looks better on the PC

[QuickdrawMcgraw]

Some of these long winded comments seem to almost be a cry to be noticed.Look at me...I'm so smart...Look,look everyone I can do a summer salt.....Long live great gaming!!!!

[SpartanGR]

LOL Humanity...

The only reason console fanboys trashing pc is because they can't afford a high end pc. Period.

I game at 2560x1440 @60FPS using 2 gtx690 in sli. What PS4 and Xbox next?

[Mr-Dude]

Big boy... So you are saying that i can't afford a big gaming rig? How the f*ck do you know? Maybe i earn as twice as much as you? You are ignorant and real self centererd. Go hug your PC then en let your virtual penis grow with your NASA pc. I don;t care about the uber unreal graphics. I care about the games!!! You PC boys should to, but the only thong you care about is graphics.

[MartinB105]

"Finally, we don’t know what type of hard drive the PS4 will come equipped with. Will it be a traditional spindle-based drive or an SSD?"

Why are people still asking this question?

The slide at the PlayStation Meeting said "HDD", which stands for "Hard Disk Drive" and is therefore not an SSD. This was also written directly underneath a huge and clear graphical depiction of the inside of a hard disk drive with spinning platters, spindle, etc.

[airshiraz]

pc games have three big advatages over conoles games its resolution and anti aliasing and anisotropic filtering
but ps4 has 1080p resolution and better antialiasing and better anisotropic filtering so im sure in this new gen pc games wont be that much better than consoles games

[MadLad]

Well, I am still going to stick with the pc build I am aiming for for the end of next month. Playstation 4 seems appealing, but it's not what I want for my main gaming experience, nor do I ever buy a console at launch.
Will grab it sometime down the road when the games are there and the price, whatever it ends up being, is cut a bit. Also gives me the time to make sure everything is running as it should. My issues with the Playstation 2, as well as the 360, has soured me on purchasing consoles early on.

As for the article, you can't deny that the Playstation 4 is built in such a way that pc simply hasn't been. However, like the article itself says,the Playstation was built to take advantage of its components. So too is pc development. Once DDR5, outside of use in the graphics side of things, takes a hold it will be a simple, and relatively cheap, switch of RAM.

The article is informative, but the title is obviously sensationalist. Great for the N4G crowd, consisting of many console gamers. Fans of Sony especially. It's meant to start the bickering seen ever so frequently on this site.

[MYSTERIO360]

And PC trolls are forgetting Sony's Gaikai service with this Sony wont be limited to the PS4 specs.

[goldwyncq]

"PS4 Does What Your PC Don't" should be the tagline for the PS4.

[FATAL1TY]

PS4 = Real Next GEN

[hano]

Wow Sony fanboys are really hyped, they will gobble up all the trash they can and believe it.

The PS3 could do 4D, now I bet the PS4 can do 5D.

The PS4 has an APU, that's AMD entry level architecture that's selling really cheap. and How much cache do those 'cores' have? What about that GPU? Plus the 8GB is shared. Good luck having all that memory while having a turtle doing all the computation.

[TheKayle]

u know that ram dosnt mean nothing if ur cpu/gpu can compute enough data...and we all know that x720 and ps4 have already an old gen gpu ..and a low spec (at least the ps4) cpu

any new pcu beat hard that 8 jaguar core..and any new gpu beat hard this console gpu....htis article is abullshit

[TABSF]

This article is full of....

Seriously does this guy even know anything about PCs you can't get GDDR5 for motherboards, it doesn't exist.
Sure the PS4 is good but to compare it to a High End PC from 2011 would be idiotic nevermind the latest and greatest PC hardware.

PS4 Spec
CPU = AMD APU Jaguar 8 Cores @ 1.6GHz
GPU = AMD Radeon HD 1.84 TFLOP/s
RAM = 8GB of GDDR5 with a Bandwidth of 176GB/s

Best PC available
CPU = Intel Core i7 3970x 6 cores 12 threads @ 4GHz Turbo
GPU = AMD Radeon HD 7990 around 8.6 TFLOP/s
RAM = 64GB of DDR3 with a Bandwidth of 51.GB/s
VRAM = 6GB of GDDR5 with a Bandwidth of 288GB/s

Ultra Multi GPU PC
CPU = Intel Core i7 3970x 6 cores 12 threads @ 4GHz Turbo
GPU = Nvidia GeForce GTX Titan Tri SLi around 13.5 TFLOP/s
RAM = 64GB of DDR3 with a Bandwidth of 51.GB/s
VRAM = 6GB of GDDR5 with a Bandwidth of 288.4GB/s

Just hearing "AMD APU" means mainstream, its never aimed at highend or enthusiast markets, AMD FX is for that on AMD side.
Next you got to breakdown the GPU
Based on this 1.84TFLOP/s and 176GB/s I can tell you we're looking at something like a HD 7850 or HD 8000 equivalent.

PS4 GPU (HD 7850)
800MHz Core speed
1024 Unified Shaders
64 Texture Mapping Units = 51.2GTexel/s
32 Render OutPut Unites = 25.6GPixel/s
176 GB/s Bandwidth (5.5GHz x 256bit interface / 8 = 176 GB/s)

HD 7990 (Devil 13 BIOS 2)
1000MHz Core speed
2048 x2 (4096) Unified Shaders
128 x2 (256) Texture Mapping Units = 256GTexel/s
32 x2 (64) Render OutPut Unites = 64GPixel/s
240GB/s x2 (480 GB/s) Bandwidth (5.5GHz x 384bit interface / 8 = 240GB/s)

GTX Titan
876MHz Core speed
2688 Unified Shaders
224 Texture Mapping Units = 196.2GTexel/s
48 Render OutPut Unites = 42.1GPixel/s
288.4GB/s Bandwidth (6008MHz x 384bit interface / 8 = 288.4GB/s)

[givemeshelter]

You know how this site rolls TABSF...
The PS4 will release...N4G.com community will say it's 10 times more powerful then any gaming PC...blah blah blah...
Your breakdown is excellent and on the mark however it's all wasted on this site that is inhabited by mostly 12 year olds....

[CyrusLemont]

Meh, by this stage you'd think we'd all know raw specs count for nothing, it's what developers do with the hardware they're given that matters. If the game footage shown for PS4 is anything to go by, it's pretty much blowing all the high end PC systems out of the water visually, of course only at 30fps, but you'd need an expensive high end pc system to push the same visuals out at a decent fps anyway. PC games can't be optimized for just one system as we all know and that is not going to change which means you're going to have throw more power at these next gen games then you should have to because of that, well at least for the time being until maybe a few years down the track. So for under a grand, a multimedia system that can run games with those gorgeous Killzone, Deep Down, Knack, Infamous, Drive Club visuals is out of this world at the moment.

[FATAL1TY]

Optimization + games + price + performance

Next gen Consoles > pc

[Tundra]

The Myth of Console Optimization: https://www.youtube.com/wat...

This guy bought a PS3 GPU (7800GT Nvidia) for 25 bucks and it lasted him this generation.

See the vid, he's running Skyrim and Dead Space 2 on it and it runs exactly like the PS3, granted he's using fraps to record.

[XboxInnovation]

Ps4 "sounds" great but I'm not believing anything until I see the console run. Sonys ps4 conference was wishful thinking.

Kind of like a guy explaining his dream car.

[H3ADWOUND81]

It used to make me laugh when you'd get those guys in forums saying consoles don't even compare to gaming pc's.. Those days are long gone.. Lol..

[ps3_pwns]

mmo's are dumb and probably the worst genre of games no one likes lol. WoW is a waste of life to put so much time into one singular experience like a second life and limited experience is dumb as heck. You cannot have a conversation with the world when you brain is limited to crappy mmo's.

Also the thing is new stuff for pc is going to cost a lot more then a ps4 and wont be able to do all the streamlined one touch easy to do stuff in one packed unit that the ps4 will be able to do. ps4 quality and ease of use is iphone level. pc is a bunch of jumbled up android unoptimized pile of crap. crap power usage, aps all over the place, slow interface chugging bs.

[Kennytaur]

The PS4 will hold its own against PCs, for the price you can't match it. All the components are customized, shared memory, two quad core processors stiched together...
Even if it's not up there with the best PCs in terms of FLOPS, the ability to write straight to the metal makes up for it. And once again, price. This is a supercar for sportscar money.

[chasegarcia]

Look the Ps4 has decent specs, but it is nowhere near a high end gaming pc.

Lets go by teraflops:
PS4= 1.84
Titan= 4.5

Also CPU clock:
PS4: 1.7
Intel I7: 3.9

PS4 RAM:8 GDDR5
PC RAM:DDR3+GDDR5

My opinion:

1. The PS4 would be the best bang for the buck for gaming when it releases.

2. A high end pc machine is still more powerful.

This is probably what Sony wanted.

Another point: The PS4 games would boot quick and games would run without having driver issues and 100% controller support.

[chasegarcia]

PC gamers would continue to get games at a lower prices, huge amount of mods, graphic settings, and the freedom to get more hardware & software.

This is from my experience with both consoles and PC. They each have a place in the gaming arena at the moment. Eventually they will combine and we will get the best of both worlds.

[CapsLocke]

You can't match teh powar of ultimaate Playstatian!

[Mr-Dude]

Meh, the only thing the PC boys care about is graphics and by that the growth of their virtual penis. It's sad really... O well, looking forward to the PS4 and Xbox 720

[ThreshStar]

You know, I was just thinking (before the PS4 was announced) how N4G had been posting a lot of articles pertaining to game design, interviews with developers, previews of future franchises....

or as I like to put it: News.

Thank god PS4 made it's annoucement so the fanboys of EVERY GAMING SYSTEM can make their pointless voices heard! For a second there, I thought our fanbase was finally maturing and allowing our industry to become a professional, but above all, respectable and dignified entertainment medium.

Glad to see all the main articles are just fanboys taking cheap shots at each other, comparing unannounced specs and claiming victory for unfinished products.

Way to go. You've all proven once again why we will NEVER be taken seriously as the movie, tv, music, or even the comic book industry.

[fabiani]

most pcs do not have blu ray as well

[Th3 Chr0nic]

mine does, but only cause i sprung for it. and its just a player not a burner. (burns cd/dvd but not BD)

[zmack]

Well PC gamers install their games to their hard drives. Streaming speeds from the DVD drive or how many discs don't matter. Plus most of PC gamers are now on the digital bandwagon with services like Steam, so they don't even use discs in some cases.

[Th3 Chr0nic]

IF you follow this article logic then it means that we still have not seen watchdogs running on PS4. ubi said that it was running on a PC with comparable specs. according to this article that is not possible.

[SSJBen]

Damn it, how hard is it to get people here (and the so called PC-hardware-experts-oh-my-PC-i s-more-awesome fans) understand that we shouldn't compare apples-to-orranges.

Why the fuck is people comparing a console that — if rumors and expected prices are true — goes for $399/$499 (heck even $599 if Sony is being stupid once again) would compete with a $1500 PC build?

What the fuck sort of logic is that?
Do you compare a Honda City to a BMW M3? Does that fucking make sense?

Wanna compare? Build a $600 PC and see how much more powerful it is than a PS4. Is it going to outperform the PS4? Perhaps, maybe. But is it in the way that you guys are saying... "ooh, my Titan destroys the PS4 mang! Go dai!"

Damn, humanity.

[Coach_McGuirk]

don't blame the users leaving comments.. they're simply responding to the posted article. If you want to blame something, blame the flamebait article.

[leogets]

no one has hands on with a ps4 and its true power. so all these comments and debates and articles are irrelevant as this juncture.. just wait n see and that is fucking that

[NnT3291]

I know PC is always more powerful than consoles, but most PC games are also on consoles anyway. Sure you get better graphics on PC, but the differences are not that big. I game on both Consoles and Pc, i can honestly say console graphics are not that bad. There are only a few games that can really show what PC can do, like Crysis 3.

[isyourhouseonfire]

As much of a wreck as the PS4 is shaping up to be, even it beats out the future of PCs.

[Tzuno]

The ps4 will be obsolete after a year the PC will always rule. This is a but hurt ps4 fanboy article.

[ps3_pwns]

make a pc for 600 dollars including everything minus the monitor because the ps4 and pc will use the same monitor.

then we will compare how the games run and look and features across all games like the ones ps4 has with ease of use and streamlined stuff. also mods are dumb. people spend more time testing mods then playing the actual game how it was ment to be played. mods are a modern day game genie/cheat device. i wonder how many pc gamers played a game how the devs wanted it to be played and seen. I wonder how many people actually finished a pc game lol. from my understanding you just talk about games and buy games on steam and then mod games and then thats it. you play a few of the games and mod and change them while you are playing them over and over untill you finally just say meh im done and cant play this until some more mods come out to give me the ability to fly to the end of the game.

pc gamers arent gamers. they are pc tech heads. Always talking about pc parts over and over instead of games. oh i m playing a game with my amd gt550 blah blah blah, fps blah blah blah, I got AA and ram blah blah. No one gives 2 Censoreds about your pc components we want to know about the games duhhh.

pc tech heads are fake gamers wannabes. go do your 1000th bench mark test you fakes

[Th3 Chr0nic]

lol dumbest comment ever on n4g.

[N4OGs]

So true lol. My friend talks more about buying more pc parts then getting games.

[zmack]

The PS4 is going to be a great system and I think it deserves a bit more credit in terms of the specs. Devs will be able to program down to the metal and really optimize th hardware. Also, utilizing an APU is a nice plus along with 8GB of GDDR5.

BUT, to suggest that the absolute highend with a $1000 video card is somehow inferior to a PS4 is well just kind of reaching there. Yes, the RAM and APU is interesting, but individuals need to be more realistic here. I really hope we don't have a highend PC debate vs console this generation like we did with the 360 and ps3. High end PCs are just going to be more powerful because they don't have fixed hardware. This means that a new GPU will come at just about every year or so.

So, there is a reality portion to this debate where you do have to face some facts and step away from your fanboyism whether you are a console or PC gamer. If your a PC gamer and feel the PS4 is too weak than you are wrong, but if you are a console gamer and you think the PS4 is better than a $1000 video card in a PC well you might just be wrong as well.

I am going off of how the title is worded. In the actual article the author does state you can build a PC more powerful than the PS4 and he did clarify that in an update. Yes, that is the case, but that doesn't mean the PS4 is going to be a waste of time or anything like that.

[forum67]

Agree.
PC will be powerful than console.PS4 is not under powered. Btw , PS4 tech specs are very good.

The debate begins when 12 yr old thinks,
* Hardware : Console > PC [Fact : PC will always be powerful]
* Games : Console > PC [Fact: Both have good line up]

Finally price.That is good point to debate on.

[Ve_Chuy]

I have a ps3 and a pc , I dont like xbox, but im not going to buy a ps4 this time cause i see more future on pc gaming than consoles, im just going to miss some awesome exclusives like killzone, gow, uncharted those are awesome games but not as awesome as some people say, I played killzone 2 and 3 uncharted 1,2,3, Gow and im waiting the last of us. But the games that really impress me of this generation were the witcher 2 and battelfield 3, im not rich so i prefer invest in improving my pc specs than buying a ps4 and knowing that the ps4 architecture is base on x86 there going to be more console games on pc. But one of the things that why im sticking only to the pc is the free to play games and the games cost, there is a crazy amount free to play games and of good quality like hawken, warframe, aion, mwo, and the steam deals are amazing i save so much money, so investing on a high end pc is going to be cheap later with this deals so you can spend 1000$ on a pc and later buy AAA games on 30$, 20$ even in 10$, people say that pc doesnt have exclusives thats just ridiculous just saying the strategy games, mmos and Free to play games. To me as a gamer strategy games are so good and nice to play them with friends in console you miss that. So to me Pc platform is the best to invest right now

[TheKayle]

console r not made to be nothing if not gaming machine....pc's r used for everything so is total STUPID and crazy to thing that a freakin ps4 can compete in compute operations with a pc

ok...on n4g and around the web there r a lots of ignorants but..cmon

u cant compare apples to oranges....again

ps4 is a gaming console .....yeah it can be good for it as much u want (like the xbox is eh)...just coz devs can code to metal and dont have any big os or api to follow on build up...and most of all..there r not millions of configurations to support. Add that devs make more money on console games..than pcs games...and u will understand the only reason why console games r better than pc games

i woudl see ..that little 8 jaguar cores...screaming "PLS HELP ME!" ..recording 8 or 16 tracks at 192khz in realtime ...if we r talking about music

or i would love to see how much time (hours or days) u need to render an still image with nice number of polygons from 3dstudio using raytracing

i dont understand wtf ppl have in mind when they think to have in their hands with 400 or 500 dollars.....

ps4 is a low end ...cpu (very ..very nothing of special)..with a barely mid lvl gpu......without any realtime processors (as u can find in amd fire pro ...or quadro videocards).....already in my pc (that one that im using to send this msg) i got 16 gb ddr3 and a freakin EVGA gtx 680 FTW with 4gb gddr5 (where the bandwith is 192.25gb/s....not 176 like the ps4) that have 1/3 more stream processors than the ps4 gpu

ppl that thing like this just need to continue to play games is better for us ..and for themself

u pay what u buy..and for that price...u cant ask a pc....

[solid_warlord]

Can anyone tell me how PS4's 1.6GHZ CPU is better than my 3.4GHZ i5. Hell, even a quad core of mobile phones have 1.7GHZ. Does that mean PS4 CPU is underpowered?

[AngryEnglish]

Ok let's end this "my pc and your console" BS once and for all, I know this is a PS4 article but I'm going to use 360 specs as there closer to pc.... I'm not a one console guy so there is no fanboyism here

Ok... pc guys can you please show me a pc from 2005/2006 with these specs that can run games like crysis 2 or 3, forza 4, forza horizon, the new tomb raider, bf3, then think of Ps3 with uncharted, killzone, the last of us etc etc, now I understand some of these games was scaled down from there pc counterpart of the last couple of years but still, show me a pc with the equivalent:

Custom IBM PowerPC-based CPU

•3 symmetrical cores running at 3.2 GHz each
•2 hardware threads per core; 6 hardware threads total
•1 VMX-128 vector unit per core; 3 total
•128 VMX-128 registers per hardware thread
•1 MB L2 cache

CPU Game Math Performance

• 9 billion dot product operations per second

Custom ATI Graphics Processor

•500 MHz
•10 MB embedded DRAM
•48-way parallel floating-point dynamically-scheduled shader pipelines
•Unified shader architecture

Polygon Performance

• 500 million triangles per second

Pixel Fill Rate

• 16 gigasamples per second fillrate using 4X MSAA

Shader Performance

• 48 billion shader operations per second

Memory

• 512 MB GDDR3 RAM
• 700 MHz DDR
• Unified memory architecture

Memory Bandwidth

• 22.4 GB/s memory interface bus bandwidth
• 256 GB/s memory bandwidth to EDRAM
• 21.6 GB/s front-side bus

Overall System Floating-Point Performance

• 1 TFLOP

HD Game Support

•All games supported at 16:9, 720p and 1080i, anti-aliasing
•Standard definition and high definition video output supported

I bet nobody can..... optimization on consoles, there is the proof of what you can get out of such little tech when its optimized to run on one dedicated machine... that's just a fact with no argument to be had,

[lema008]

Hey Erik, I see you and Sony have something in common, " Over hyping their console". Sony does it to promote their console business. Your just gullible and got suck into their mega hype machine about how much better PS4 is compare to the Next720 and a gaming pc. And you did fess up with an update, so kudos to you.