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Pach-Man Chews Up Nintendo and Spits Them Out Again

A news piece about Michael Pachter's latest negative remarks about the Wii U and how its failing.

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chadboban4076d ago

I dunno, Pachter just seems to like to cover his ground because he has made both positive and negative comments about Nintendo. So should Nintendo fail he can say "See, I was right, look it up, I said it" and if they succeed he can say "Yeah I said they'd be fine, look it up I said it"

ApolloTheBoss4076d ago (Edited 4076d ago )

This guy is just a complete hypocrite. If you're gonna make a comment be it positive or negative about a product, you should stand behind your opinion the first time. Don't change it just cause you were wrong. Suck it up and admit you made a mistake. I'm still trying to figure out how he got his job. Looks like even a monkey could do it.

MikeMyers4076d ago

What exactly did he change? He still thinks the Wii U is going to fail to meet expectations and so far he's right. He is explaining how it's not personal, what he says about Nintendo isn't out of spite. The community can and have been extremely vocal about his comments and take them personal. He sees Nintendo from a business perspective, we see it as a gamers perspective.

Theyellowflash304076d ago

Its not out of Spite but its money related. He's told investors to stay away from Nintendo. So he'll never say anything positive about Nintendo at this moment. Even the 3DS that is a huge success, he won't even give Nintendo credit for that.

He completely ignores the Japanese market. Had nothing to say about Animal Crossing selling 3 million units in Japan with about 1 million of those sales fro digital. Ignores the successes of Fire Emblem or anything positive about Nintendo.

Meanwhile he ignored the fact Sony had to sell their US headquartes for 1.1 billion, or how they constantly have to sell shares to pay off debts. Or the fact Sony's game division has been losing money left and right.

Its not in spite, but it is personal. He's got a lot of peoples money on it.

XboxInnovation4076d ago

Yeah he hedges his bets all the time

360ICE4076d ago

In fairness, he's generally been pretty negative on the Wii U.

chadboban4076d ago

Well he's actually been flip flopping a lot when it comes to his opinion of Nintendo (although he has been mostly negative lately). I don't really like using console fansites for reference but this article pretty much puts all the times he's changed his tune on Nintendo and the Wii U in the past couple of months

http://wiiudaily.com/2013/0...

360ICE4076d ago

@chadboban
Yup, that was kind of a remarkably stupid article, all right. He's pretty much negative against the Wii U every step along the way, but making small changes in his personal opinion of the console and of how the Wii U will perform short-term.

user39158004076d ago

Patchter its a great analyst just like trolls are here great (Sonys winnning the troll war in N4G). Simple the Wiiu lacks next gen hardware, therefore it sucks. No sugar coating, the wiiu its dead. Welcome to 2013 the year of next gen gaming.

3-4-54076d ago

Games aren't like regular business and people like Pachter try to analyze things as if this was wall street.

Games are different and that they rely on creativity and you can't predict creativity at all.

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mulder16174076d ago

LOL! That is so true man. Yep, they are good at covering their backs.

Dark_Overlord4076d ago

I'm curious as to who's mouth flaps more, pach-man or pac-man :D

PopRocks3594076d ago

I find it interesting that only on Nintendo related articles do I ever see people agreeing with this guy. Everything else people are usually bashing the crap out of him.

cyguration4076d ago

Didn't you know? N4G hates Nintendo.

Root4076d ago

No...people like you THINK this site hates Nintendo

If you want to see real hate look at how much Sony gets treat like crap since they released the PS3 back in 2006

Seriously Nintendo doesn't get that much hate....people question them and their reasons on things but thats it. I mean Nintendo have been making some mistakes latley, it's not the Wii age anymore with their massive sales and their biggest selling gimmick, they are having a hard time topping that and you can see they are in a little bit of trouble. Are they "doomed"...not really but they are finding it hard to find their place again, it's just a shame they think the casual market is still the answer

PopRocks3594076d ago (Edited 4076d ago )

@Root

I call bull. This community typically lambastes Pachter and very few actually side with him. So why is it people only start agreeing with him on Nintendo related Pachter articles? Not a lot of it in this one in particular, but in some of the previous ones I've seen multiple accounts of it.

Now if you want to try to say the hatred is stronger toward Sony, look no further than every single PS4 article released where almost every comment is embellished praise. The rare negative ones are generally trolls. NOTE: Not even saying this is a bad thing, it's just an observation and you should take it as such.

And on top of this, here's another detail I noticed. You and others got on my case for defending Nintendo for how they handled the VC upgrades for the Wii U, claiming that Nintendo was greedy and in one comment I was deemed a "delusional fanboy".

Here comes Sony with the PS4 where you have ZERO backwards compatibility or transfers whatsoever and the only way you can play said games is through Gaikai, potentially having to purchase those titles all over again.

So at the very least read the two paragraphs above this sentence and explain to me what the ever loving hell is up with that.

chadboban4076d ago

@Root

Not disagreeing with you or anything man, but what has Nintendo done lately that indicates they "think the casual market is still the answer"?.

Other than the tablet controller and that their system is underpowered compared to the competition, I don't see how Nintendo has exactly been pandering to casuals lately. I can tell this is gonna be a really though image for Nintendo to shed(honestly, no matter how hard they try, they probably never will).

Other than Wii U Fit and that Wii Party sequel thing the games they have lined up for Wii U don't really scream "casual" to me. Bayonetta 2, Monolith Soft's game, Yoshi, Pikmin 3, The Wonderful 101, Game and Wario, Lego City and Wind Waker HD aren't exactly games the casual market rushes out to pick up (Lego city maybe but who knows). Not to mention 3DS's lineup for the year is lookin pretty sweet to me so far. They have a ways to go before they can compare to what Sony has when it comes to "hardcore" games but from what I'm seeing, I think for the most part, they're headed in the right direction. Hopefully E3 will help give a better picture as to where not only Nintendo, but Sony and Microsoft are headed as well.

Root4076d ago

@Poprocks

"Here comes Sony with the PS4 where you have ZERO backwards compatibility or transfers whatsoever and the only way you can play said games is through Gaikai, potentially having to purchase those titles all over again."

Well first of all we don't actually know the full story...not untill E3 so I'll wait till then before I say anything about this

"Now if you want to try to say the hatred is stronger toward Sony, look no further than every single PS4 article released where almost every comment is embellished praise"

Well yeah because they've learnt from their mistakes and they gave us most of the details of the PS4 the first time they revealed it....remember when the Wii U first was announced they didn't even bother to reveal it properly, it took them two E3s and an Nintendo drect to actually get through to us everything about the Wii U

Anyway where not talking about the PS4 getting hate I was talking about the PS3 getting hated on....and it did .....A LOT this gen. We'll see what happens with the PS4 when it comes out and the Nextbox is revealed.

"So why is it people only start agreeing with him on Nintendo related Pachter articles?"

Oh for the love of god...it dosen't matter what article Pachters in, he still gets called worse then s***.

@chadboban

Quite simple really...the console it's self

In no way shape or form is it going to stand up to the PS4 and the Nextbox. It was made to aim it's self still at the casual market....why do you think they made the controler tablet like.

chadboban4076d ago

@Root

Yes, thanks for repeating what I said in paragraph 2 of my response. But you're forgetting the point I've already made. The first and foremost way to tell what audience a console is aiming for is it's games lineup, not necessarily it's hardware. So I'll ask again, where in their first party games lineup other than the Wii Fit and party stuff does it scream "We want the casual audience"?

Now I can see why you'd use PS4 as an example as we now have solid facts about where Sony is going with it, but then you mention the next Xbox which we only have rumors of, rumors which seem to indicate *cough*.. mandatory Kinect integration...*cough cough* that they may very well be going for the casual audience as well. However we won't know that for sure until we see the console and what it's going to offer for ourselves, so maybe you should keep that out of your arguments for now.

P.S. I know you're probably tired bro and I hate to be a grammar Nazi but using "it's self" is a terrible mistake that I tried really hard to overlook but I just couldn't lol. No hard feelings right.

Also you used it twice man, TWICE. lol.

dragunrising4076d ago

N4G doesn't hate Nintendo. You will find bias everywhere and anytime you decide to look for it. Only the fanboys of competing platforms hate Nintendo. N4G as a whole loves Nintendo because Nintendo along with the other big players in gaming are what keep our hobby alive. Also, competition is good regardless of whether you game on Nintendo hardware or not.

MasterCornholio4076d ago (Edited 4076d ago )

This site is merely a site that provides news to gamers and as such isnt a human entity thats capable of hating on a certain company.

This is a case of fanboy paranoia.

But i do agree with you that there are certain groups of people who loath Nintendos decisions in the market but in no way do they represent all of the posters at N4G.

Otherwise i could use the argument that Wii U Lee represents the majority of Nintendo fanboys. And im pretty sure Nintendo fans are embarrassed by the attitude of those types of users. Isnt that right Pop?

Hey look WiiULee made a comment

"mark my words the winner this next generation will be between wiiu and steam.....and once nintendo's games comes out and wiiu takes off for good, thats the battle that will play while sony and microsoft battle for last place...with most likely sony going out of business in videogames after this next generation"

LOL

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stage884076d ago

I don't care what console he's talking about I've just had enough of him.
Please someone get him fired and put him into a job that's more suited to him.

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Nintendo's Massacre Of The 3DS And Wii U Is Finally Complete, Regrettably

Hanzala from eXputer: "The cruel hammer of Nintendo has fallen. Farewell, 3DS and Wii U, you surely brightened my life and many others; you won't be forgotten."

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Xbox's Preservation Step Sets A Much-Needed Example, Especially For Nintendo

Hanzla from eXputer inquires: "If Xbox can care about preserving its games and legacy, what exactly is wrong with Nintendo, trying to kill game preservation single-handedly?"

purple1019d ago

Ahh yes the good old game preservation of saving all your games to a removable hhd on the Xbox 360, taking it round your mates house, setting up multiple tvs to
Be met with “save data corrupted, please re download”

Or how about removing 360 games
From the store
, download them now or else, and, better hope to god that save data doesn’t corrupt, or it’s lost for ever

Nice one ☝️

Zeref9d ago

It's better than what Nintendo and Playstation is doing. It might not be perfect but at least they are TRYING. Unlike the others.

DarXyde8d ago

Trying? Take off the blinders for a moment, mate.

1. A failure to preserve games is just that: a failure to preserve games. Don't try to sugarcoat it: NO ONE is doing it properly. Better than awful is nothing to write home about.

2. At the time of this comment, isn't it the case that you need an internet connection to play Xbox games even if you buy physical discs that are hardly in circulation anymore? I don't have a Series X and I can't verify, but I think that is correct. I'm fairly certain you can at least play PS5 games at version 1.0 (not much of a win really when many games require day one patches). I think Microsoft's all digital, licensing approach is by far more aggressive than anyone else's. They really try to push you to game pass where you lose your entire library by umm.... Skipping a month of payments.

I don't think anyone is doing it right whatsoever. Don't get me started on Nintendo, who goes after anyone looking to preserve their games better than they ever would with extreme litigation.

Don't be a simp for any of these companies. Get it together.

PhillyDonJawn8d ago (Edited 8d ago )

@DarX never speak on Xbox again. You lost all credibility with your internet connection comment. Smh you have 0 clue and misinformed yet speaking on something you don't no squat about.

Einhander19728d ago

What has Sony done exactly? You guys keep deflecting to Sony but I am not actually seeing any results, and ai am certain nothing that you can come up with even comes close to what Microsoft has done and what they have tried and failed to do, like tie all your disks to your account on xbone.

Microsoft removed their whole indie section when they moved to the xbone because they were going to only allow games on the service that came from a publisher, id@xbox started after xbone launched and it only exists because Sony embraced indie and Microsoft was forced to cancel their plans and reverse course.

And every single game that was part of games for windows live including disk games (I have gta 4 on disk that won't work) so hundreds of games that use that DRM no longer work unless the company themselves patched it out which of course very few did.

MrBaskerville8d ago

Not trying. Tried. they killed of the backcomp program years ago. They set something up again, but sounds like it's more of an attempt to save the current library on whatever they are planning next. With luck they save everything and more, but let's see. I could see them killing off parts of the OG xbox and 360 libraries. Can't imagine that they would allow us to play Forza 5-7 in the future.

With that said, I do like what they've done and really wish they could have done more.

shinoff21838d ago

Zeref

So killing off physical media is trying what exactly. Ms don't really give a fk if you think they do your kidding yourself.

Profchaos8d ago

They are not trying this team is established for forward compatability the team is. It interested in preserving Xbox or 360 games.

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isarai9d ago

Is that why Hellblade 2 is digital only?

Zeref9d ago

Just because it's digital only doesn't mean you can't preserve it. Just put it on an external and you have the exact same functionality of what a disc does.

MrNinosan9d ago

Guess you're trolling, but if you actually think that's how it works, I'd recommend buying some braincells.

mkis0078d ago (Edited 8d ago )

Volitile vs nonvolitile data. A disc will not corrupt either. A drive can be corrupted.

Einhander19729d ago

This is just a scammy PR move to distract from the fact they are going digital only and trying to push streaming and subscriptions only.

No gaming company has pushed harder to remove ownership than Microsoft.

Without discs there is no preservation, preservation can't be done by the rights holders it can only be done by the consumers, anything else is a lie.

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Einhander19729d ago

Anyone remember xblig which Microsoft removed their whole 360 indie section removing hundreds of games from people?

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Zeref9d ago

Do you know you can put your games on an external and preserve them that way? There are no benefits to discs. ZERO. Idk why some of you are still obsessed with them.

DarXyde8d ago

Because games like Persona 5 exist. It's STILL V1.00. On Playstation, that's a win because 1.00 is installed on the disc—no need to download anything.

If a game does not require any updates, it's all on the disc.

Extremely low bar in the modern era, of course. It's not much of a win by any stretch.

But for now, physical media does have a purpose, at least on Playstation.

Einhander19728d ago

That is factually not how game licensing works, try plugging your hard drive into someone else xbox, It's not going to work, and it won't work if the licensing servers ever go down.

Einhander19728d ago

Anyone remember games for windows live.

I have around a dozen games, some on Steam itself that will not work because Microsoft shut off the licensing servers.

BehindTheRows8d ago (Edited 8d ago )

I do. I STILL have games (Gears of War being the big one) I cannot access because Games for Windows LIVE is total garbage and no one has held Microsoft accountable.

Zeref8d ago (Edited 8d ago )

You don't have an Xbox apparently. Because you can 100 percent plug in your external and play games from it on any Xbox console lol. You just have to be logged in to prove ownership.

Chevalier8d ago

"You don't have an Xbox apparently. Because you can 100 percent plug in your external and play games from it on any Xbox console lol. You just have to be logged in to prove ownership."

Damn how many times do people got to explain your idiocy to you? You can take a copy of Persona 5 like someone used as an example and play that game on ANY console WITHOUT logging in which means I can lend the game to a friend without internet and they can play my game. Can you lend your hard drive to anyone without logging in for them to play? NOPE. That is a huge difference and if you think otherwise then sorry you're an idiot.

Tacoboto8d ago

"No gaming company has pushed harder to remove ownership than Microsoft."

Ubisoft is literally erasing games people bought from their libraries... My PS1-3 discs are useless on modern hardware. Nintendo's re-published and resold almost their entire Wii U library, and the eShop is completely dead with no BC mechanism in the Switch software. Microsoft publishes everything they make today day one on Steam and Xbox/Windows. Sony only brings to PC the titles they think you might want some years later and Nintendo won't even design a functional long-lasting joystick.

You're absolutely trolling and not serious if you think Microsoft today is the worst offender.

shinoff21838d ago

Yay steam

Not everyone fks with computers though. The disc is still the best way as a console player. Period.

Tacoboto8d ago

How do Sony and Nintendo feel about these discs from 2001-2013?

Don't be stupid, you know Xbox is the best at this today.

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Hofstaderman9d ago

Nobody wants this. Sales or the lack of it in the case of XBOX is very telling. I wonder how the adorably all digital series X will fare. Adorably dismal perhaps?

crazyCoconuts8d ago

Only time will tell, but for from someone like me suspecting that Xbox is trying to gracefully exit the console market, that "forward compatibility" team is trying to get Xbox games playing on Windows PCs. I mean, it's nice that they're not planning on exiting with a "enjoy your games while the hardware still works" message, so that's nice. They still have a brand to protect via Microsoft so probably feel obligated to have a better exit strategy.

Xeofate8d ago (Edited 8d ago )

That is not their plan, their plan is to transfer users accounts to the cloud.

Phil Spencer himself said as much a few months back, plans could have changed but I think people are reading way too much into one statement where Phil said he would allow Epic on xbox because he wants to be able to sell xbox games directly on other platforms. Aka, instead of selling Sea of Thives through PSN he wants to have an xbox store to sell his games on PlayStation without giving PlayStation any money.

Again, it's extremely unlikely that Phil plans to put PC on xbox and licensing would prevent them from just giving out other publishers games purchased on xbox copies of thier games on PC, Microsoft does not own their games.

crazyCoconuts7d ago

The thing that doesn't align with the cloud strategy is the giving up on exclusives. You'd still need strong exclusives for cloud streaming - it's still a "platform" , just with a lower upfront hardware investment. I feel like they've learned what PS learned with PSNow long ago. We're not ready to stream games and it's only gonna lose them money to try at this point

FinalFantasyFanatic8d ago

I would love that, I'd buy up some of the Xbox games if they could run on PC, like the Rare Replay, Lost Odyssey and Dead or Alive Ultimate, probably a pipe dream though.

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Nintendo's War Against Player-Made Content Will Hurt The Company In The End

Danish from eXputer: "Nintendo has historically gone against player-made content and emulation of its games. This has done much to harm the company's image."

XiNatsuDragnel15d ago

I agree nintendo hire some these folks to help in your games it'll help imo.

banger8815d ago

They need to stop announcing these mods and fan remakes until they're finished. Finish it, upload it, and then if Nintendo dmca's it tough shit. Once it's online, people can share it around, even if the original download gets taken down.

Jingsing15d ago

True, but most modders need constant admiration during the process to motivate them.

PRIMORDUS14d ago

Yup, once it's a torrent nothing can be done Nintendo is helpless at that point. But it would be wise if they just had a site on the dark web, it's also easy to use with Tor and no one will bother you.

mastershredder14d ago

This is all coming from the mouth of short-sighted fandom and grifting madness.
No.... it wont. There is a clear defined reason why they don't. This is nothing new. Make your own shi7 from your own original ideas especially if you are trying to capitalize of it it. Duh.

Yeah, hire people that have zero respect or understanding for an established process. Wow. Yep. Totally makes sense.

shinoff218314d ago

Those guys that made that sonic game got a gig from sega or something along those lines and that game was dope as hell. One of the best sonics as of late.