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PS4: 'Microsoft Will Have To Bring Their A-Game' - Analyst

Sony’s PS4 is so impressive that Microsoft will need to ‘bring their A-game’ when they reveal the next-gen Xbox, according to one industry analyst.

Senior analyst with Cowen and Company, Doug Creutz, believes although Microsoft has positioned itself in pole position at the end of the current generation, to compete with the Sony and the PS4 it will need to deliver something special and be on it’s 'A-game'.

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fr0sty4074d ago

You hear that Microsoft? That doesn't mean bring A game!!!

TimmyShire4074d ago

Ha ha ha! Bring "a game", actually love it!

Enemy4074d ago

Gonna be hard to top Sony after what they showed yesterday. Microsoft won't have as many real exclusives but the least they could do is keep up with the competition by trying to match specs or better specs. Sony went first, which was pretty ballsy, but this gives them a chance. If they screw up with more Kinect trash, well... lol. R.I.P

TheRealSpy4073d ago (Edited 4073d ago )

What Sony showed was not that impressive. It was nothing like the leap we saw last generation. I swear you people are so desperate to believe something is true, that you completely ignore reality. Wasn't 6 years of being completely delusional enough for you?

My computer (that i built over 6 months ago) can run Crysis 3 on max settings, and let me tell you, Killzone 4 has NOTHING on it.

MS doesn't need to work that hard to top PS4...but they better work hard to top my expectations. Cuz Sony didn't come close. I thought I was going to destructible environments that are affected by realistic physics, entrance and exit wounds, better looking character models, etc.. Instead, all I got was a bunch of CGI, the inside of a car, and a game that looks like Modern Warfare (Killzone 4) but with better lighting and shadows.

Also, obvious jokes aren't funny. You people want it to be funny cuz you think it's fun to hate on one corporation (MS) while childishly obsessing over another.

UnHoly_One4073d ago

TheRealSpy...

My hat's off to you. That was the best post I've ever read on N4G.

Thank You.

xursz4073d ago

^^ I respectfully disagree. I was blown away. The PS meeting was 100% better than the whole E3 2012. In fact, I'll be bold in saying I can't remember ANY E3 conference which went better.

The games looked fantastic. Drive Club was good. Shadow Fall looked good. Knack was amazing imo. Destiny on PS4 with exclusive content. Infamous Second Son will be a must buy. Blizzard partnership. Social network sharing will be the YouTuber's dream. Literally everyone I showed the trailers to was in awe. And the only cgi footage shown was Capacom's working title. Good try though.

But I'm sure MS will have a successful unveiling of their own. As long as they don't introduce a random celebrity to the stage it's a win in my book.

N4g_null4073d ago

An amd chip would be easy to beat actually just ask intel for performance and arm for low temps.

What would kill the ps4 right now would be a scalable system just like a pc that also let devs put the game tools on the same disk.

Basically they would need a surface rt connected to a custom nvidia that could run all of our favorite tools. It could even run win8 and support steam if you wanted it to.

Photoshop and 3d programs on a game console... Hell I would buy 20 just to setup a render farm for fun. $14,000 vs 200,000 is a nice savings.

Games? How about every thing that runs on a pc and Xbox exclusives so you can keep that nasty drm off you real power system?

What about halo with a map editor, a real one? What about running an unreal 4 engine game and stopping it to run the editor without a pc.

If you don't have the game then give your fanbase the tools. Creat the next 20 notchs. Then pay them like YouTube. Suddenly gamers can afford gaming and many arm chair developers can see what it really is like trying to please gamers.

Specs would be too easy and no one cares about the social network unless it makes you money. Let video games become a virtual silicon valley.

As you can see every one can do uncharted graphics now, so uncharted will become irrelevant. Many fps are better than killzone game play wise. If you want movies then ms could just make you a movie and then let you play the game afterwards, in the locations that the movie took place in.

Then they can experiment with story without it hurting the gameplay.

Something tells me every one will not get a ps4,wiiu,or Xbox/pcwin8 so developers will be porting a lot of games.

So it all comes down to exclusive services and content or tools. Sony doesn't have my money yet. I'm sure a lot of gamers feel this way about each console. It is the developers that I'm worried about though. Can ps fan support exclusive expensive aaa games or will we see a lot more devs closing? We will see... Remember ps1-2 made dev cheaper and devs gave them a monopoly. Is that the case here I think not.

loki524073d ago

@therealspy- you do realize that was a reveal conference, right? You are not going to see the full power of ANY system at a reveal. Apparently no one remembers (either because they were too young to stay up that late or because they are so old their memories are fading) that the 360 reveal on MTV was a bust that was a half hour long where they only showed a couple of minutes of gameplay that didn't look next-gen, didn't reveal price and was mostly about celebrities.

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FunAndGun4074d ago

That was so cold it was frosty!

StrongMan4074d ago (Edited 4074d ago )

Nice. +bubble.

MS has a long history of lying. Remember when they said that you can use Kinect to scan your skateboard or any object and use it in your games? What about MS promising that you can play Kinect with four players at the same time? What about all of those hired actors paid act like they like Kinect? What about all of those fake demos on stage? Remember the kid faking the Kinect Star Wars demo? The demo was 3 seconds ahead of him.

MS are liars and none of those smoke and mirror tactics will work this time. Sony knocked it out of the park with a grand slam yesterday and MS will need much more than yellow rain jackets and a circus performance to compete with this.

MS opened new studios named Playful Learning Studios and Kids and Lifestyle Entertainment Studios so it's clear MS will be 100% focused on casual gaming next gen. There is no such thing as an "A" game from MS anymore. There's just "A game" as fr0sty said. Halo. Sony now has exclusive content and day and date release from Bungie's Destiny game which MS also lied about and said it would release first on Xbox. You can't believe a word MS says.

MS's biggest announcement will be Skpe will be added behind the XBL pay wall while remaining free to use everywhere else.

ThatXboxGuy4074d ago

Yep.And i like how Sony had Watch dogs and Destiny shown first.The biggest 3rd party launch games already shown! MS will look pretty weak just showing some sloppy seconds.(Which they no doubt had planned)

Not counting the new games Sony will show at E3.
I think your right.Big focus on skype and other social aspects and some more kinect mumbo jumbo.

And probably yet another halo pre rendered video.GG micro/ninty but Sony already has this on lock.All they have to do is show the console and it pops any hype bubble MS blows

Kalowest4074d ago

"MS opened new studios named Playful Learning Studios and Kids and Lifestyle Entertainment Studios so it's clear MS will be 100% focused on casual gaming next gen."

LMFAO, you forgot to list Microsoft Studios that are making Hardcore titles. And whats wrong with MS making a game that my lil sis is able to play also?

MS and Sony are showing that they can be more than just game consoles(hardcore and kids titles), but Multi-media entertainment hubs(Blu-ray player, Facebook, Twitter, Netflix, Hulu+, Web browsing, apps, Smartglass/Playstation world etc...).

The Kinect that was demoed and the one released are different, so you do have a point with MS lying about it.

DOMination-4073d ago

You got bubbles for that?? Funny how you bang on about lying and then start doing it yourself. MS have opened about 15 new studios. Like, 3 of them are casual based. 100% my arse.

TheRealSpy4073d ago (Edited 4073d ago )

You have no idea what they have planned. If you did, you'd be working for MS, not dogging them on some website.

I bet you never mentioned the term "sloppy seconds" when talking about all the stuff Sony showed at E3 after MS showed it the previous day.

You people really need to grow up.

"Big focus on skype and other social aspects and some more kinect mumbo jumbo."

Again, such hypocrisy. A big part of Sony's conference was about social networking and always being connected. So why would it be a bad thing if MS did that, too?

See what i mean about needing to grow up?

"And probably yet another halo pre rendered video."

You mean like the infamous trailer?

"Sony already has this on lock"

Based on what? other than your psychotic loyalty to a corporation?

Your insanely idiotic comments, and the fact that you have so many agrees, is proof to all new comers to N4G that this is not the place for gamers. Just for Sony loyalists with nothing better to do with their time than bash MS and build Playstation up into something it's not and can never be. The N4G community has become a real embarrassment.

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shutUpAndTakeMyMoney4074d ago (Edited 4074d ago )

Killzone looked visually amazing! I want to see what tv apps they have to try and over shadow it.

000014074d ago

haha you had me crackin up with that :p

MikeMyers4074d ago

Good one, "A" game. Bubbles up.

I have to agree, Sony brought out their A game. Plus for them (Major Nelson) to make a questionable comment about not actually showing the system is irrelevant. They showed actual games, they mentioned real specs. The Xbox 360 is going on 8 years now and they haven't shown anything other than how well they do for sales in the US.

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StraightPath4074d ago (Edited 4074d ago )

people forgetting that alot of the games shown in PS4s great conferance were multiplatform games. With all the demos shown was what made a great show.

All microsoft has to do is not only bring their own exclusive games but also showcase alot of mutliplatform games aswell and show the innovations they added to their next console.

Microsoft will have to do either the same or alot to top this reveal from sony.

random ideas

Halo 5
Next Gen Gears of War
Forza 5
Forza Horizon 2?
Crackdown 3
Rare IPS taken seriously ( Full On Banjo Kazooie, Perfect Dark, Conker )
Alan Wake 2
Project Gotham 5
Kameo 2?
Next Gen Spinter Cell

list goes on what Microsoft could potential reveal.

all features PS4 has ala recording gameplay watching others play and addition to all thier innovations and features.

Finally a list of mutliplatform games showcased in their event.

Hideo didnt make a appearance so hmm

Metal Gear Solid ground zeroes and reveal of phantom pain? in Microsoft show.

A ff game announced in ms show?

rockstar makes a appearance at ms show?

microsoft could do alot to top sonys show.

Witcher 3 showcased in MS show? ( afterall in witcher 2appeared on xbox 360 exclusively.)

bethesda game?

next gen call of duty

please microsoft dont shove kinect down the entire show.

if microsoft does all the above it will absolutely kill sonys conferance.

Donnieboi4073d ago

Kojima might be going multiplat, but he's not stepping in MS's show exclusively. Maybe BOTH Sony's and MS's, but I don't see Kojima dissing long time PS gamers by showing up EXCLUSIVELY to MS's event. For what?

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ChrisW4073d ago

Fil101,

Wasn't something similar to that said about the 1st Xbox?

madpuppy4073d ago

I thought that activision shuttered the studio that made the Project Gotham series after they made Blur?

Corax4073d ago

KOJIMA WAS NEVER EXCLUSIVE! Look at all the Metal Gear games and name how many was exclusive to the PS brand.
First MGS was on PS and PC,
MGS PS2, Xbox, PC, Vita, PS3, 360
MGS3 PS2, Xbox, PC, Vita, PS3, 360, 3DS
Metal Gear Solid: The Twin Snakes - Gamecube
MGS4 & MG Online PS3
Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance PS3 & 360
Not including gameboy color and other portable platforms

http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

Sony gamers just really appreciates Kojima work a lot vs other platforms that hes been on that's all, he was never exclusive to Sony

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TheGamerDood4074d ago

@fr0sty lol that deserves a bubble.

It's all about dat ram, and unless MS offers up 8GB of that beautiful GDDR5, I don't really see them doing much that will match or exceed what Sony showed off.

Donnieboi4073d ago

Somebody, give the man a bubble!

NnT32914073d ago

it will be pretty much like this gen. Ps4 will be more powerful, NextBox is not far behind. Third party games will look very close on both platforms, while exclusive will show the difference.

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NYC_Gamer4074d ago

MS better step up to the plate and bring quality software

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muttley654074d ago

"MICROSOFT will have to bring their A game"

yeah, a royal flush, all spades, 3 of a kind, 10 aces, 3 card marly to beat SONY presentation.

GEARS,HALO,FORZA not going to do it this time.

worldwidegaming4074d ago

indeed. They need a new IP.
I would be surprised if Sony leads the next generation in gaming without a fight...

darthv724074d ago

why make that kind of assessment? Those are AAA games in MS camp much like GoW, GT and Killzone are to Sony.

Are you suggesting that the continued release of successful franchises are a BAD thing? If so then somone needs to tell Sony to STOP development of the next infamous, killzone, possibly even GoW or GT6.

My point is you can have new games showcased but the ones that helped build a platfroms success are a staple that have to be there as well. It is a reason Mario has been so prevalent for Nintendo for over 30 years.

muttley654074d ago (Edited 4074d ago )

@ DARTH

ALL im saying MS need more than 3 games and kinect this E3 they need more announcement for AAA game being made.

other than that in my opinion MS e3 wont be appealing event as we all know SONY coming out with CLAWS this time around.
MS need to give me a REASON to buy the 720- kinect and FABLE,ALLEN WAKE,GEARS,HALO games will not do it.

kayoss4074d ago

Those are very good games you just listed. I would buy the new xbox just for those three games alone. Gears, Halo, and Forza are franchise game for the xbox as God of war, gran turismo, and Little big planet as to Sony.
Sony seems to have a handle on 1st party games and new IPs. It will be interesting to see what 3rd parties have in store for the PS4. Microsoft need to bring their known franchise games and new IPs.

darthv724074d ago

I agree there should be more focus on the games. After all....that is why we buy these platforms in the first place.

now i think i know what you were originally eluding to. You probably were referring to AAA "exclusives" rather than a general statement of AAA games.

honestly, what makes a game AAA is the support from the developer and especially the consumer. Games dont have to be exclusive to be considered AAA.

And if the rumored specs of the 720 are as close to the ps4 then we will likely see AAA games released for both from competent 3rd parties.

When it comes to the exclusives, i agree that sony holds more cards but I wouldnt count MS out of coming up with something new this time around.

We just have to wait and see.

muttley654074d ago (Edited 4074d ago )

@ darth

I AGREE

and also E3 will be something big and EXCITING
cant wait to see what MS will announce.

dlocsta4074d ago

You are so right because those Sony exclusives have sold SO WELL in the past. This looks like a Xbox made by Sony.
1. Social features - current Xbox (not needed acccording to hardcore Sony fanboys).
2. Use mobile phone or tablet to view extra game material - current Xbox, it's called Smartglass
3. Improved online (for a small fee) - current Xbox, it's called Xbox Live

Do I need to continue? Yes nice looking games, but that is expected. What would be the point of showing the system if the graphics sucked? The problem is exverything here that is "new" is anything but.

DARK WITNESS4074d ago

i have to agree...

i have mostly been an xbox fan this gen, but come 720 time if all i see has the next halo, gears and forza plus some fuzzy animals that weave back at me, this gen will be my last with ms...

i honestly think ms don't care though, they want to be the new nintendo pandering towards the casuals, thats ok. I think i have found what i am looking for next gen in sony

iistuii4074d ago

"GEARS,HALO,FORZA not going to do it this time."

Ok, But K4 Infamous3 GT6 & Uncharted4 are ok

God you lot are so two faced..

These games on both sides are big sellers, meaning people enjoy them, why not release more of the series. It happens on all consoles, yet you give MS shit for it.

superterabyte4073d ago

Can there really be a launch gears game for the 720? there is one coming out for the 360

MRMagoo1234073d ago

@iistuii

I think you missed the point entirely, maybe you are an xbox fantard maybe you just jumped the gun , but what he was trying to say from what i see it as is microsoft need to bring MORE than just another halo forza and gears no one is saying don't bring them but bring MORE than them. Sony bring infamous they bring killzone they bring GOW but they also bring heaps of other first party games with them and keep making new ones thats the difference. If you cant see that then i was right about the fantard comment.

Dee_914073d ago

they better not spend more than 10 mins talking about anything kinect related lol.
Im very sure/hopeful they will "show" new ips.
If they do show a new forza I will be ecstatic for the game but I still want new ips from ms.
damn im so pumped for e3

DarthTigra 4073d ago (Edited 4073d ago )

Alot of people keep saying "oh Gears Forza, Halo won't cut it but GT, Uncharted, LBP etc will" Look what each person in rebuttal of the Forza, Halo, Gears comment has said. Not one person has listed the same games. That's the difference. Not one person can even agree what Sonys 3 biggest games are. Yet every comment in relation to MS has been Halo.... Forza.... Gears, the only big games MS has. Forza, Gears, Halo are amazing games, anyone saying otherwise are in the vast minority. But at the same time anyone thinking that just 3 AAA games from MS that only come out in Two year periods can compete with Sony is in denial.

IcarusOne4073d ago

Sony definitely threw down a gauntlet. But I've never been one to get all googly-eyed over exclusives. Most of my favorite games this gen were multiplat anyway.

One of my biggest problems with the PS has been its controller. That's why I tend to lean xbox. But the DS4 looks beautiful. The revamped joysticks and new design look like so much win. Combined with MS's insistence on destroying the second hand game market with their online only approach, the PS4 might become my preferred platform this next time around.

DOMination-4073d ago

New IP

Such a buzz word around here. Guess what? Sony only revealed 1. And even that was ten years id in concept as admitted by the guy from Evolution.

Maybe Sony should focus more in that are because MS have about 16 in production.

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AngelicIceDiamond4073d ago (Edited 4073d ago )

I can see EA, Activision, CD project Red, Epic and 1st party devs making it at MS presser or at E3. People tend to forget this is MS we're talking about, nobody knows what MS has planned but, if we look at earlier events regarding the the 360 first showings. MS will WOW people again and bring something unexpected to the table.

Like they did in the past.

@Xii no they didn't? getting tired of stupid replies from people.

fsfsxii4073d ago

They wow'd core gamers once, and then they turned their back

007Bond4073d ago

Where the F is PS4 backwards compatibility? WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

superterabyte4073d ago

Coming with gaikai. Hardware BC with the ps3 and 2 would be too expensive and resource wasting

WeAreLegion4073d ago

Exactly. They would have to put a PS3 INSIDE of the PS4 to run PS3 games. The architecture is just too different.

WitWolfy4073d ago

PS4 and PS3's tech is like comparing night to day...

PS3 has the Cell processor where the PS4 will have a AMD based processor... Was kinda obvious that BC would be dumped completely... The only resolution was Gaikai.... Or porting it.... EVENTUALLY!

g2gshow4073d ago

think about it if sonny is having finical trouble an look what they are bring to the table Microsoft has no reason to half ass they need to respect the hardcore an blaze the trail on all front's.The psn network has really turn in to a beast an the hardware is nothing less then stunning i was loosing interest as a gamer they spark it back up ......kicks dirt at nintendo for trying to slow down progress for so many years still have love for mario

Donnieboi4073d ago (Edited 4073d ago )

@NYC Gamer:
You always only state the obvious. Never an opinion beyond the obviously accepted consensus. Trying to protect that large array of bubbles, I presume?

NYC_Gamer4073d ago (Edited 4073d ago )

I don't care about the amount of bubbles..It's the truth MS needs to step up and realize many of us want new quality exclusives..I want reasons for me to buy both next gen consoles PS4 and 720..

TheRealSpy4073d ago

There is absolutely NO reason why Link079's comment should be reported for trolling.

He expressed an opinion, the same as all of you. The only difference is his comment wasn't some sick, immature obsession with Sony.

I'd say you people should be ashamed of yourselves, but I know that's pointless. You wear your obsession with a corporation like a badge of honor.

SAD!

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Dailynch4074d ago

Is anyone brave enough to call it now? Sony and PS4 for the next-gen win!!!

(even though we haven't seen Microsoft's effort yet)

mdkgod434074d ago

Im so impressed by the PS(QUAD) im buying two at launch, also waiting to see the UI and the system itself but you know what i like the UI they have now on ps3 i think they should keep it and tweak it a little

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Eldyraen4074d ago

@Mathew9R: I think he means he'd like to see a little more about the UI as it didn't really get all that much attention so they could show the actual games.

All we really saw was a little bit of it here and there and its not the same as a more comprehensive demo. We'll likely have to wait for them to reveal the console itself and have demo kits out for people ('journalists') to test for themselves before we really get to know a lot more about it. Its a small thing as it still looked better and by the sound of it was a huge step up imo.

I'm looking forward to seeing the system itself (as in a retail sales kit) and am expecting a headset to be included since all controllers have the built in headphone jack now. So much we don't know that isn't game related necessarily but everything sounds hopeful.

LOGICWINS4074d ago

Competition breeds humbleness and excellence. If Microsoft doesn't provide adequate competition, Sony will revert back to their 2005 "you'll want to get a second job to buy this" mentality. It's to the benefit of PS4 gamers than Microsoft have a strong performance this gen.

Rest assured, Microsoft will bring their A game. They won't just let Sony take over the industry like many others on N4G pretend.

BlmThug4074d ago

Well said. Competition breeds excellence

punisher994074d ago (Edited 4074d ago )

"I've said it before and I'll say it again.

HARDWARE
ISN'T
EVERYTHING

DS v. PSP
3DS v. Vita
Xbox v. PS2
Dreamcast v. PS2
Wii v. PS3/360

The end result is the same in all these cases"

I've said it once, and I will say it again. Sales, are not everything.

kayoss4074d ago (Edited 4074d ago )

@Punisher99
Agree with what you saying and you show the facts. But one thing you need to remember is, hardware will determine the longevity of that console. For example the Wii and possibly the Wii U. Wii sold more then any console this gen, but look at it now? PS3 and Xbox 360 are still selling world wide while the wii is stagnant. When a next gen is released you can not just stop support for the current Gen. Xbox 360 and PS3 will be support for years to come. Of course the support will diminish as the year go by but it will still be supported. You can not abandon 90 million Wii owners. I just dont know how Wii U will keep up with the PS4 and Next box once 3rd party developers began to make game that exceed the potential of the Wii U.

By the way Dreamcast did not do better than the PS2. The PS2 is still the best selling home console to date. 3DS had a few year head start before the PS Vita so comparing a one year old console to a veteran is not really fair.

LOGICWINS4074d ago (Edited 4074d ago )

@Punisher- The ENTIRE point of my argument went over your head.

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Kanzes4074d ago

The Console Wars has just started.. it's too early to said that

majedx94073d ago

the second Console War.

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braydox214073d ago

Microsofts effort for next-gen or just overall?

TheRealSpy4073d ago

Brave enough? Every idiot on here is saying that. It's got nothing to do with being brave. It's about being incredibly stupid.

Calling the idiots out for rabid fanboyism is far more brave (though still not brave at all) since it's a guarantee you will all childishly report us for "trolling" and cost us bubbles.

Although, the gaming subreddits are infinitely better than N4G anyway and there is no longer a threat in losing bubbles. Better conversations there, MUCH MUCH more intelligent people (not that i'm saying they are all intelligent, but a brick is a step up from you people), and you get the news sooner...you know...since all the n4g contributors really just camp reddit waiting for news that they can repost here anyway.

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Neonridr4074d ago

All Microsoft has to do is bring Backwards Compatibility to the table and they already have a huge step up over Sony competing for my dollars. As long as the next Xbox is similar enough in specs of course.

I was so disappointed to learn that Sony decided to not include backwards compatibility. I was a MS and Nintendo owner this past gen, so aside from my Wii U I was heavily leaning towards Sony this time around. But the fact that there are so many PS3 games that I missed out on, I am not going to buy both a PS3 and PS4 so that I can enjoy all the missed titles. I still have several 360 games that I haven't even touched yet, so if the 720 allows me to play them, then that's one less console to sit on my already filling up TV stand.

A good reason as to why the Vita struggled out of the gates besides the high price tag was the lack of PSP support. That is especially true in Japan where the PSP continues to outsell the Vita. Had the Vita included PSP support you would have seen it's numbers take off over there. Instead, it's struggled and losing ground quickly to the 3DS.

I wanted to believe in you this time Sony, but it's moves like that which keep me from acting on it..

Very disappointed...

Ripsta7th4074d ago

Agreed. People are claiming victory with the ps4, but we havent seen shit from MS. All i know is we can expect a beast of a console, and now that they saw ps4 specs maybe theyll do what Sony was planning. See your competitors specs and beef up yours.

LOGICWINS4074d ago (Edited 4074d ago )

They don't have to "beef" up anything. Your forgetting that games like COD have EFFORTLESSLY outsold more technologically impressive shooters like Killzone/Crysis etc.

I've said it before and I'll say it again.

HARDWARE
ISN'T
EVERYTHING

DS v. PSP
3DS v. Vita
Xbox v. PS2
Dreamcast v. PS2
Wii v. PS3/360

The end result is the same in all these cases

What Microsoft needs to do is provide value and features that are unique to their console. Microsoft now knows what they're dealing with so they are in a better position than they were two days ago. The people counting MS out simply because the 720's hardware might not be as good as the PS4's are deluded.

perfectCarbonara4074d ago

I don't think it's a matter of seeing what the competition is doing and simply beefing up ? These things take a lot of planning.

I think if MS wants to release the 720 in the same year as the PS4 they need to have finalized at least a couple of things by now and have devs already working with the tech. They can't just say: "Oh lol, look at the PS4 specs, lets do that too"

Not if they want to release this gen at least.

Ripsta7th4074d ago

@LOGIC, yeah true Cod sells regardless, Also MS sells no matter what, bacause of ADVERTISEMENTS. Something they have always done better than sony. Also they got maybe next gen Halo, which will probable break records because of its brand recognition. Im just hoping they put up a good fihgt against Sony this time around with more even specs.

DigitalSmoke4074d ago

It is a victory indeed, for gameingm, and its because of Sony, cause nobody was going to put in that type of ram, maybe next gen.

Now, Microsoft cannot change to GDDR5 without pushing the console back for atleast 6 month's, son, stop being so butthurt and taaaake it.

zebramocha4074d ago (Edited 4074d ago )

@logic your comparison isn't that good because in each circumstance there was a reason why a console performed well,the ds came of the success of what ever variant of the gameboy was out,nintendo drop the price of the 3ds so we can't compare,Sony's success and marketing prevailed against the dc and xbox 1,the wii had a cheaper price and motion control behind it.

LOGICWINS4074d ago (Edited 4074d ago )

"your comparison isn't that good because in each circumstance there was a reason why a console performed well"

Ummm yeah...thats the point lol. If there wasn't a reason, these consoles wouldn't have succeeded.

My point is:

WHO CARES what the reason was? That doesn't downplay the fact that these consoles succeeded without having the powerful hardware of their counterpart.

Games, price, hardware, features, value, advertising are all EQUALLY important. Any console that nails most or all of these factors deserves to be on top.

Why do you make it seem like price drops and marketing are "illegitimate" ways of succeeding? Or maybe thats just my impression of your comment?

zebramocha4074d ago

@logic I'm saying,that in each case there wasn't a real head to head comparison because the either they launched after another console or before one,so drawing a comparioson between power,price or any other feature would be wrong.

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Cam9774074d ago

Stop complaining and buy yourself a Ps3 then...

Neonridr4074d ago

What so buy 2 game consoles and forget the fact that Sony is screwing people over by doing this? Why should I reward Sony for their stupidity?

I will reserve my ultimate judgement until I see what MS is offering, who knows, maybe they will pull backwards compatibility too, but assuming MS stays the course and does offer backwards compatibility, you have a huge library of Microsoft games vs the launch library of the PS4. Which one seems to make more sense?

I am not trying to start anything, this is just my opinion of course. I just feel like I would be cheated out of a lot of good games I missed if I buy the PS4 and I am certainly not buying both a PS4 AND a PS3..

kenshiro1004074d ago

...How could you not own a PS3 already?

BrunoM4074d ago

Neo I see what u mean but saying Microsoft is gonna keep the same way they did and Sony didn't is not true these is Micros 3rd gen coming they did keep backwards from 1 to 2 but then again did Sony from ps1 to ps2

I own most consoles easy for any one to see user name BrunoM on all of them and if I got to bet on any company to go for my needs as a gamer is say Sony will ..

But then again me having all the main systems and having a LOT of games on them I don't expect a company to not move with times new gen new games new everything new games I already own my ps3 so if I wanna play ps3 games
Il go and jump on that I want my future next gen systems to do what my current systems don't ...

So no we don't need backwards on our future consoles we want next gen AI physics and as good as graphics as we can get ..

But what ever that's just what I think next gen is for next gen games

Ron_Danger4074d ago

Except for the whole thing about Gaiki streaming all PS1,2, and 3 games to PS4 and the Vita.

aquamala4074d ago (Edited 4074d ago )

not just to PS4 and Vita, they said "all devices", so also PCs, tablets, etc.

at this point if you never had a PS3 I would just wait for gaikai to play PS3 games.

hazardman4074d ago

Your right Gaikai will let you play PS1, PS2 and PS3 games but is it FREE? I think Sony is gonna charge for it! Either way Sony already has my $$ day one and MS too if they play their cards right.

NYC_Gamer4074d ago

Why not buy a PS3?that would be the best thing to do since you claim there are titles on the platform that catch your attention

kneon4074d ago

If the rumors are true then it won't have backwards compatibility either since they are also switching CPU architecture.

jmac534074d ago

The older rumors said there was a 360 chip included with the x86 architecture. Hope this still remains the case.

Seraphemz4074d ago

So SONY should have included PS3 backward compatibility but NOW you decide that you want to play PS3 games?

You've waited almost 7 years to decide.."oh.. I want to play PS3 games...but on PS4" ????

People are never happy. If they included backward compatibilty and it costs more, people will complain about that...

MrWonderful4074d ago

hell he could buy one cheap on craigslist for that matter or a pawn shop

Link0794074d ago

Right the wiiu has around 200GB of bandwidth on that gpgpu and thats without knowing what that unknown part of the gpgpu is there is also more eDram other than the 32MB/3MB and all that SRAM that we know of there is more,the ps4 has 175GB of bandwidth on the gpu ?

isa_scout4073d ago

Well said, if you dont own a ps3 by now why complain that you can't play them on the PS4? If they weren't important enough for you to go out and buy the current system, something tells me you wont be buying their future system anyway. Even if Nextbox has BC there wasn't that many amazing titles on the system anyway. I have a 360, my gamertag is KingJamesXMVP6, and I'll tell you right now I've played all of the 360's biggest games(there aren't many) and the only thing the 360 has that's better than the PS3 is it's online functionality. If Sony nails it's social features the way their talking about then MS will be in big big trouble.

_-EDMIX-_4073d ago

Agreed. I'm not sure why they should add such a thing in. "Oh I want a PS4, but throw in a PS3 too..."

A new CPU is more important, then letting people play PS3 games on a PS4. If you have PS3 games...then clearly you have a PS3....play that. This makes the PS4 cheaper and helps developers with the CPU. Being BC MEANS keeping old tech in the system to be compatible.

I own every PS system so BC means NOTHING to me. If your a PS fan, BC should mean nothing to you too.

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MrWonderful4074d ago

Lmao at you my friend. Sony made backwards compatibility a industry standard. I still have my launch ps3 and have used that feature very little since 2006. It wont kill you to have a ps3 and ps4 and play your ps3 games on your ps3 to keep from putting wear on your ps4 optical drive man.

testerg354074d ago

MS is probably at a better spot at bringing BC to the next xbox because the 360 is closer in design to PC hardware.

_-EDMIX-_4073d ago

That is indeed true. But at this point, it still means Sony will STILL sell PS3s, MS will halt on selling 360's. (or sales will slow down like they did for XB1)

Either way, is good for Sony. They are here to sell PS4 games to PS4 owners, not sell PS3 games to PS4 owners (you know....with JUST PS4s)

capnjoe2174074d ago

"All Microsoft has to do is bring Backwards Compatibility..." But then what if that makes the console $100 more expensive? Are you then going to complain about the price? You complained about Vita being too expensive while in the same breath complained that it had no PSP support when in practice, including support would make it even MORE expensive. Which is it? Do you want a console that does everything but costs $600 or do you want something affordable that gets the job done by playing next gen games? This dilemma seems to be pervasive in the current gen, people's expectations of technology exceeding their wallet size.

SlyFoxC4074d ago

its not that they didnt want to bring Backwards compatibility its that they could not do it because hardware is completely different. Read a little bit and you will see that. Just as the 720s hardware will be different from the 360 so it most likely will not be able to do backwards compatibility either.

isa_scout4073d ago

True, I find it funny that people cannot remember that the 360 didn't launch with backwards compatibilty. It was rolled out over the period of over a year, and even then it wasn't every single game. I remember getting my 360 on launch day, came home and played some king kong, and then I stuck in Halo 2 and was like wuh??? I honestly dont believe either system needs it, the people who complain the most are probably the ones who would never use the feature in the first place. Complainers complain.

Mikeyy4074d ago

@Neonridr

Did you miss the entire segment on Gaikai?

It expressly said you can play, PS1, PS2, and PS3 Games on your PS4 (FOUR) using the streaming service.

Raider694073d ago

I have a 360 to play 360 games!i dont need a 720 with Backwards Compatibility!M$ haves to show somethin g new and that means new IPS,if not im not buying it,i will just stick with two consoles the PS4 and the WII U!

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Nintendo's Massacre Of The 3DS And Wii U Is Finally Complete, Regrettably

Hanzala from eXputer: "The cruel hammer of Nintendo has fallen. Farewell, 3DS and Wii U, you surely brightened my life and many others; you won't be forgotten."

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Xbox's Preservation Step Sets A Much-Needed Example, Especially For Nintendo

Hanzla from eXputer inquires: "If Xbox can care about preserving its games and legacy, what exactly is wrong with Nintendo, trying to kill game preservation single-handedly?"

purple1014d ago

Ahh yes the good old game preservation of saving all your games to a removable hhd on the Xbox 360, taking it round your mates house, setting up multiple tvs to
Be met with “save data corrupted, please re download”

Or how about removing 360 games
From the store
, download them now or else, and, better hope to god that save data doesn’t corrupt, or it’s lost for ever

Nice one ☝️

Zeref4d ago

It's better than what Nintendo and Playstation is doing. It might not be perfect but at least they are TRYING. Unlike the others.

DarXyde4d ago

Trying? Take off the blinders for a moment, mate.

1. A failure to preserve games is just that: a failure to preserve games. Don't try to sugarcoat it: NO ONE is doing it properly. Better than awful is nothing to write home about.

2. At the time of this comment, isn't it the case that you need an internet connection to play Xbox games even if you buy physical discs that are hardly in circulation anymore? I don't have a Series X and I can't verify, but I think that is correct. I'm fairly certain you can at least play PS5 games at version 1.0 (not much of a win really when many games require day one patches). I think Microsoft's all digital, licensing approach is by far more aggressive than anyone else's. They really try to push you to game pass where you lose your entire library by umm.... Skipping a month of payments.

I don't think anyone is doing it right whatsoever. Don't get me started on Nintendo, who goes after anyone looking to preserve their games better than they ever would with extreme litigation.

Don't be a simp for any of these companies. Get it together.

PhillyDonJawn4d ago (Edited 4d ago )

@DarX never speak on Xbox again. You lost all credibility with your internet connection comment. Smh you have 0 clue and misinformed yet speaking on something you don't no squat about.

Einhander19724d ago

What has Sony done exactly? You guys keep deflecting to Sony but I am not actually seeing any results, and ai am certain nothing that you can come up with even comes close to what Microsoft has done and what they have tried and failed to do, like tie all your disks to your account on xbone.

Microsoft removed their whole indie section when they moved to the xbone because they were going to only allow games on the service that came from a publisher, id@xbox started after xbone launched and it only exists because Sony embraced indie and Microsoft was forced to cancel their plans and reverse course.

And every single game that was part of games for windows live including disk games (I have gta 4 on disk that won't work) so hundreds of games that use that DRM no longer work unless the company themselves patched it out which of course very few did.

MrBaskerville3d ago

Not trying. Tried. they killed of the backcomp program years ago. They set something up again, but sounds like it's more of an attempt to save the current library on whatever they are planning next. With luck they save everything and more, but let's see. I could see them killing off parts of the OG xbox and 360 libraries. Can't imagine that they would allow us to play Forza 5-7 in the future.

With that said, I do like what they've done and really wish they could have done more.

shinoff21833d ago

Zeref

So killing off physical media is trying what exactly. Ms don't really give a fk if you think they do your kidding yourself.

Profchaos3d ago

They are not trying this team is established for forward compatability the team is. It interested in preserving Xbox or 360 games.

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isarai4d ago

Is that why Hellblade 2 is digital only?

Zeref4d ago

Just because it's digital only doesn't mean you can't preserve it. Just put it on an external and you have the exact same functionality of what a disc does.

MrNinosan4d ago

Guess you're trolling, but if you actually think that's how it works, I'd recommend buying some braincells.

mkis0073d ago (Edited 3d ago )

Volitile vs nonvolitile data. A disc will not corrupt either. A drive can be corrupted.

Einhander19724d ago

This is just a scammy PR move to distract from the fact they are going digital only and trying to push streaming and subscriptions only.

No gaming company has pushed harder to remove ownership than Microsoft.

Without discs there is no preservation, preservation can't be done by the rights holders it can only be done by the consumers, anything else is a lie.

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Einhander19724d ago

Anyone remember xblig which Microsoft removed their whole 360 indie section removing hundreds of games from people?

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Zeref4d ago

Do you know you can put your games on an external and preserve them that way? There are no benefits to discs. ZERO. Idk why some of you are still obsessed with them.

DarXyde4d ago

Because games like Persona 5 exist. It's STILL V1.00. On Playstation, that's a win because 1.00 is installed on the disc—no need to download anything.

If a game does not require any updates, it's all on the disc.

Extremely low bar in the modern era, of course. It's not much of a win by any stretch.

But for now, physical media does have a purpose, at least on Playstation.

Einhander19724d ago

That is factually not how game licensing works, try plugging your hard drive into someone else xbox, It's not going to work, and it won't work if the licensing servers ever go down.

Einhander19724d ago

Anyone remember games for windows live.

I have around a dozen games, some on Steam itself that will not work because Microsoft shut off the licensing servers.

BehindTheRows4d ago (Edited 4d ago )

I do. I STILL have games (Gears of War being the big one) I cannot access because Games for Windows LIVE is total garbage and no one has held Microsoft accountable.

Zeref3d ago (Edited 3d ago )

You don't have an Xbox apparently. Because you can 100 percent plug in your external and play games from it on any Xbox console lol. You just have to be logged in to prove ownership.

Chevalier3d ago

"You don't have an Xbox apparently. Because you can 100 percent plug in your external and play games from it on any Xbox console lol. You just have to be logged in to prove ownership."

Damn how many times do people got to explain your idiocy to you? You can take a copy of Persona 5 like someone used as an example and play that game on ANY console WITHOUT logging in which means I can lend the game to a friend without internet and they can play my game. Can you lend your hard drive to anyone without logging in for them to play? NOPE. That is a huge difference and if you think otherwise then sorry you're an idiot.

Tacoboto3d ago

"No gaming company has pushed harder to remove ownership than Microsoft."

Ubisoft is literally erasing games people bought from their libraries... My PS1-3 discs are useless on modern hardware. Nintendo's re-published and resold almost their entire Wii U library, and the eShop is completely dead with no BC mechanism in the Switch software. Microsoft publishes everything they make today day one on Steam and Xbox/Windows. Sony only brings to PC the titles they think you might want some years later and Nintendo won't even design a functional long-lasting joystick.

You're absolutely trolling and not serious if you think Microsoft today is the worst offender.

shinoff21833d ago

Yay steam

Not everyone fks with computers though. The disc is still the best way as a console player. Period.

Tacoboto3d ago

How do Sony and Nintendo feel about these discs from 2001-2013?

Don't be stupid, you know Xbox is the best at this today.

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Hofstaderman4d ago

Nobody wants this. Sales or the lack of it in the case of XBOX is very telling. I wonder how the adorably all digital series X will fare. Adorably dismal perhaps?

crazyCoconuts4d ago

Only time will tell, but for from someone like me suspecting that Xbox is trying to gracefully exit the console market, that "forward compatibility" team is trying to get Xbox games playing on Windows PCs. I mean, it's nice that they're not planning on exiting with a "enjoy your games while the hardware still works" message, so that's nice. They still have a brand to protect via Microsoft so probably feel obligated to have a better exit strategy.

Xeofate3d ago (Edited 3d ago )

That is not their plan, their plan is to transfer users accounts to the cloud.

Phil Spencer himself said as much a few months back, plans could have changed but I think people are reading way too much into one statement where Phil said he would allow Epic on xbox because he wants to be able to sell xbox games directly on other platforms. Aka, instead of selling Sea of Thives through PSN he wants to have an xbox store to sell his games on PlayStation without giving PlayStation any money.

Again, it's extremely unlikely that Phil plans to put PC on xbox and licensing would prevent them from just giving out other publishers games purchased on xbox copies of thier games on PC, Microsoft does not own their games.

crazyCoconuts3d ago

The thing that doesn't align with the cloud strategy is the giving up on exclusives. You'd still need strong exclusives for cloud streaming - it's still a "platform" , just with a lower upfront hardware investment. I feel like they've learned what PS learned with PSNow long ago. We're not ready to stream games and it's only gonna lose them money to try at this point

FinalFantasyFanatic3d ago

I would love that, I'd buy up some of the Xbox games if they could run on PC, like the Rare Replay, Lost Odyssey and Dead or Alive Ultimate, probably a pipe dream though.

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Nintendo's War Against Player-Made Content Will Hurt The Company In The End

Danish from eXputer: "Nintendo has historically gone against player-made content and emulation of its games. This has done much to harm the company's image."

XiNatsuDragnel11d ago

I agree nintendo hire some these folks to help in your games it'll help imo.

banger8810d ago

They need to stop announcing these mods and fan remakes until they're finished. Finish it, upload it, and then if Nintendo dmca's it tough shit. Once it's online, people can share it around, even if the original download gets taken down.

Jingsing10d ago

True, but most modders need constant admiration during the process to motivate them.

PRIMORDUS9d ago

Yup, once it's a torrent nothing can be done Nintendo is helpless at that point. But it would be wise if they just had a site on the dark web, it's also easy to use with Tor and no one will bother you.

mastershredder9d ago

This is all coming from the mouth of short-sighted fandom and grifting madness.
No.... it wont. There is a clear defined reason why they don't. This is nothing new. Make your own shi7 from your own original ideas especially if you are trying to capitalize of it it. Duh.

Yeah, hire people that have zero respect or understanding for an established process. Wow. Yep. Totally makes sense.

shinoff21839d ago

Those guys that made that sonic game got a gig from sega or something along those lines and that game was dope as hell. One of the best sonics as of late.