Kotaku: The PS4 Will Be Out This November, And You’ll Be Able To Control It With Your Phone

Our source—the same reliable source who back in early 2012 told us the codename for Sony's next console and the codename for Microsoft's next console—tells us that there are two models planned for the new machine, and that pricing won't be announced until later this year, possibly around E3. The current plan, our source says, is to release them at $429 and $529, but that could change.

[majiebeast]

I take anything Kotaku *knows* with a huge barrel of salt.

[LOL_WUT]

This November huh? Looks like someones going to get some fierce competition later on this year, if the rumors are to be true. ;)

[reynod]

"I take anything Kotaku *knows* with a huge barrel of salt."

Its not a hard feature to implement. Specially now that consoles are essentially PCs.

Check out Teamviewer, essentially does the same. I wouldnt be surprised if you could turn on, turn off PS4 with your Cell phone via the internet and control it.

[buddymagoo]

Anyone else notice the headphone port at the front of the controller?

[olLANDSHARKlo]

reynod, not everyone has internet on their phone. Who in the world would pay $30 a month,$360 a year for internet on a phone, when you have it at home. And people complain about xbox live being $40 a yr.

[JhawkFootball06]

The only concern with it coming out in November is limited stock for Christmas. If anyone remembers the ps3/360 launch, you'd either have get an early preorder or wait overnight at launch. Or you got lucky and happen to walk in the exact same day a store got a new shipment.

I'm not saying anyone here will as I'm sure all the hardcore fanatics will be sure to go to whatever lengths to get a copy but that's just how I remember it.

[BitbyDeath]

@PHIBALNATION, i don't have internet on my phone but Wifi HotSpots get around that.

Trains are starting to get it in Australia and all McDonalds have them, along with many coffee shops and other places.

[Sharingan_no_Kakashi]

Wanna believe em... but that whole "versus xiii is canceled" crap really destroyed any credibility (if any) they had.

[DragonKnight]

Shut up Kraptaku. You don't know anything, you don't have a source. Sony blacklisted the hell out of you so don't pretend like you have any knowledge.

Story Quality: WTF?
Like this Website?: No.

[Campy da Camper]

@phibalnation. I pay for internet on my phone because my work does not have wifi. Everyday on lunch I watch an hour of The Universe or a couple episodes of pawn stars. Also, I stream Groove shark all the time when I'm out running around town. I price check stuff when I'm shopping, check the news when I'm waiting for an appointment, it goes on and on. 30 bucks a month for unlimited data is just a necessity for my life.

[subtenko]

A barrel roll of Salt. The same one Nathan Drake kicks out in PlayStation All-Stars Battle Royale.

[SilentNegotiator]

Make up obvious holiday release window, make up price from obvious approximate price range, throw in some crap about cell phones to rile gamers that fear a cell phone gaming uprising, say "insider sources"...

And get a million hits.
The Kotaku way.

[NewMonday]

November is to far off and dosn't give Sony any advantage because MS will have time to release the 720 in same window.

[NobodyImportant]

@PHIBALNATION

I don't know anyone without internet on their phone. Anyone. I'm in the UK so maybe it's different here. But seriously. Even my mother in law uses internet on her phone, and she barely understands how her phone works.

[theBAWSE]

i think the premium service is gaikai and ps+ combined,but to play online will still be free

if not doubtful ill buy a ps4

[darthv72]

If its the same guy as the one who informed them of the next xbox, then wouldnt that be SuperDAE???

So how did he tell them after he had just been raided? He tweeted he had no phone so it is likely they took his PC.

No phone, no light, no motorcar. not a single luxury....

It's primative as can be.

Okay maybe that was a bad Gilligan's island reference but still. I will believe the rumors once sony has said their peace. 3PM pacific time today.

[Leviathan]

For all those curios, here is the new PS3 controller: Full animated gif of touchscreen.
http://i.imgur.com/I0Q3KPD....

[superterabyte]

@PHIBALNATION Internet for my phone costs £40 a year for unlimited internet or $61.20 a year

[Shaman]

Kotaku was first with Orbis and Durango codenames. They also posted new picture of controller in the article so I guess they have a solid source.

[PS4isKing_82]

Exactly. Ppl talk alot of shit about them but they've been pretty accurate lately with next gen info. I'd say its at least 50/50.

[evilhasitsway]

are you kidding me anyone who knows how to get a photo of the net cause that same pic has been flying around for awhile and when it first apeared kotaku name wasnt there he is trying to take credit for something that isnt his.

[irepbtown]

I'm getting the Sony Xperia Z next week, I'm guessing Sony phones will work wonders with the PS4 (if the rumors are true).

Gives me another reason (apart from the million already) to choose the Xperia Z over the rivals.

As always: GET IN SONY!!!!!!!

PS: 'You'll be able to use a mobile device to chat with your PS4 friends' - Does this mean I could use my Smartphone to speak to my friends instead of using a headset?

Keep it coming Sony :D

[Jobesy]

"Orbis is also following the path first set by Xbox Live: our source says "most" of the PS4's online features will require a premium subscription to use."

I hope this isn't true.

[Kinger8938]

Ill Happily pay if it improves the service and is worth the money! If its the same price as plus is now all in, thats fine by me

[izumo_lee]

They say it replaces PS+, so i believe that online gaming is still free as well as the usual apps like Netflix.

However if you want early access to stuff or what PS+ does already but beefier then a subscription i needed like what we have now.

I do not think Sony will do what Xbox Live is doing by charging for 'everything' ontop of already subscriptions.

[JoGam]

I wouldn't mind it as long as online play is still free.

[greenpowerz]

Only because you have spent a great deal of time attacking this strategy? Not doing this would kill off a console company trying to compete.

I'm glad.Nnow Sony can try to match XBL and that will help with the Sony fans attacking other consoles simply because Sony could not follow using a free approch without losing tons of money.

XBL multi player is a service with many other components synced with other social features it's not just online play. You guys are basically, in sense comparing differnt cable and satellite companies and complianing that one is more exspensive vs the one you like because all provide cable TV to watch ignoring various features/capabilites/offerings by the others

Now that Sony is able to expand PSN designed from the ground up for PS4/PSN future evolution this should help curb PS3 fanboys attacking the 360/720 because Sony could not offer something on par to XBL with Sony fan attacks disguised as a greedy MSFT plan downplaying XBL features or ignoring them when the real problem was envy.

One could only wish... Once MSFT announces something new that's revolutionary the attacts will shift there.

Still Glad Sony is finally sucking up their pride and putting their game face on.

MSFT BAD... SONY CAN DO NO WRONG LOL

[ILive]

Online will still be free, but you may have to pay for the "premium" stuff like the ps+ and what it offers. That fact they put xbox live in there is what could throw people off. Read it again, and slowly. It said most, not all like xbox live.

[rainslacker]

It depends on how it's implemented and what it's used for. If it's just the new PS+ with new features added then I'm OK with it. If it becomes a requirement to play online or use the handy media functions of the system, then I will not be OK with it. I suppose I would still get it if it's bundled as part of the PS+ package though, but think it sucks from a consumer standpoint.

@green

Not doing this could actually help stave off the competing consoles influence in the market. Fanboyism aside, it hasn't gone unnoticed how many people have become disillusioned with XBL service and what it actually offers comparative to price. It's something I'm personally interested in seeing ib how MS handles it's nextBox. Whether they decide to make it worth the price, or go with the status quo could be a major factor in some peoples purchasing decisions.

[1nsomniac]

There's no hope in hell it will be a full free service again.

[Blastoise]

Greenpowerz

"Only because you have spent a great deal of time attacking this strategy? Not doing this would kill off a console company trying to compete."

I disagree. The Wii "Won" last gen with free online, PC gaming is doing fine with free online, PS3 pretty much caught up to Xbox 360 with free online & the Wii U has free online too.

Microsoft are the only ones charging people for online, don't make out like it's a necessary strategy to make money

[RememberThe357]

It's true and anyone living in the real world can understand why: All these features cost money to provide, so in turn we're going to have to pay a subscription fee if we want them.

Some of you are going to have to ask your mommies for some more money, the rest of us will just pay it.

[Outside_ofthe_Box]

@greenpowers

***"I'm glad.Nnow Sony can try to match XBL"***

Only because you have spent a great deal of time defending this strategy?

Saw what I did there?

***"that will help with the Sony fans attacking other consoles simply because Sony could not follow using a free approch without losing tons of money."***

GET THE HELL OUTTA HERE...

You know very well that the day Sony ditches free online you and others like you will be the first ones to point and laugh at how Sony is charging a similar fee for a "crappy/inferior" service to XBL. We all know you love to add the fuel.

Funny thing is that the quote isn't suggesting anything different than what is already in place with the current PSN setup. Basic stuff like free demos and playing multiplayer are free and all the other non-gaming/non-essential additives are PS+ exclusive. I don't see how this is a problem.

[FamilyGuy]

Whatever it is PS+ subscribers better get some sort of discount. They've been advertising this "buy a year, get 3 months free" thing for over a month. If these rumors are true that will last well beyond the release of the PS4 so any new service better allow PS+ subscribers something if it's not the same service or a higher level version of PS+

[CyberCam]

If this news is true, the Steam Box or PC will be more enticing. For now, it seems like the PS3 is my last console that I'll own... until this rumour is squashed.

[-Alpha]

You will probably have to pay-- you can't expect everything for free.

If Sony is offering Gaikai with premium services, they have to charge to make that money back and maintain the features. They spent a boatload acquiring Gaikai, now they have to integrate and support it. All that costs lots of money.

I am more than willing to pay for it. This is what I wanted from Sony's PSN for a long time, and PS3 couldn't offer it due to limitations and Sony's lack of a clear future. But they have been shaping the future of their online service for a while now, and unlike Nintendo, they've shown that they can compete.

If you don't want to pay for it, don't. So long as playing online is free, then it should not affect you. That's always been the motto with PS3 gamers: "I only care to play online". This wont affect you.

If the content is that great, then I'll have no problem jumping in.

I just hope Sony upstages MS by continuing to offer free games via Plus. As a Plus member, I enjoy paying for the service, and if I can get even more, then I'm willing to continue paying. Personally, I think if Sony brands PlayStation World properly, then they can edge out MS as the superior online platform for gamers. MS seems a little too focused on apps, while the content delivery on Sony's part can be pretty huge.

I am also certain Sony wouldn't charge to play, that is the one primary factor that they have against MS. But add a host of amazing features, and they can really strengthen their weakest aspect that the competition has over them

[AngelicIceDiamond]

Me and lvl Up gamer made a speculation last year that Sony could come out with a mandatory subscription come next gen.

Sony isn't your friend, they want to make money. Though I believe regular multiplayer will still be free.

I do believe that Gaikai and allot of Sony's online services will require a subscription fee this time around

This rumor is coming from Kotaku, and everybody knows Kotaku's credibility isn't the greatest.

Despite that I find it weird that out of all the rumors that particular one pops up.

[EbeneezerGoode]

Me too. Fuck paying to access the internet I already pay for! NO OTHER DEVICE (except Xbox 360 currently) does that so why the fuck should MS/SONY get away with it?

Most games are peer to peer online NOT hosted servers, hence all the shitty lag and host advantage. No way should you pay for that!

I was so hyped up for PS4 and this has put a nail in it's coffin, and spreading throughout eager PS fans like wildfire.

I'm sorry but *I* do not sit at my console 24/7 making ANY amount paid to play online viable. I am lucky if I get online twice a week, but i still WANT that option in a full priced game I've paid for without having to pay another £20 a month 'just in case i get chance to play 5 minutes online'. It's money for old rope, and if it's true I won't bother looking at any more PS4 announcements and simply stick to PC and invest money in hardware there.

Bring on Oculus Rift, Indie games and free online play access - talk about step backwards with this toll shit!

I will take this back if it's revealed to NOT be true after tonight but if it is - then PAYSTATION 4 can do one!

[amiga-man]

I will never pay to use my internet and would abandon console gaming if Sony followed the M$ con of taking your internet access away then expecting me to pay to get it back, fortunately I don't feel Sony will be doing that online gaming will remain free but cross game chat and other new features they may ask a fee to use, I am fine with that and if I see real value in what they offer (like PS+) then I may be tempted.

lets not kid ourselves Xbox users pay to get their internet back, if online was free subscriptions would drop like a stone, what gets me is that xbox users are not only willing to support such an obvious con but will then go on to defend it, mugs the lot of them.

[Thatguy-310]

They have been pretty spot on with what they provided in the past regarding the ps4 and Durango. Wouldn't be surprise if this turns out to be true. Just look at how sony has been building a connectivity with their phones, tablets and tv's. They're also investing in a lot of NFC peripherals. They have created an ecosystem that feed of each other and just imagine how it will improve once Gaikai comes into the mix. Sony honestly has a plan that will benefit them in the long run. PSYCHED XD

[shutUpAndTakeMyMoney]

There source got raided buy Microsoft.

[Cupid_Viper_3]

lol

[Blackdeath_663]

agreed, but they have been right regarding rumours or atleast the rumours they gave seem to be in-line with what multiple other sources are saying

[-Ghost]

The wait is not long. Can't wait to see what Sony shows. Should be great.

[007Bond]

So you only believe them if they're talking about xbox, but not ps4?

[turgore]

More like a salt mine.

[miDnIghtEr20C_SfF]

HA HA!

"Orbis is also following the path first set by Xbox Live: our source says "most" of the PS4's online features will require a premium subscription to use. Sony's new online service will be called PlayStation World, our source says, replacing PlayStation Plus."

You SDF are going to LOVE paying to play online now. :D This gonna be good.

[Fatal-Aim]

@ miDnIghtEr20C_SfF

LMAO! You are such a tool. Think about it for a second.... PS3 and PSVita still have FREE ONLINE PLAY. Do you really think just because a PS4 is hitting the market that Sony will some how charge for this? If they charge for this on one platform, its more than a certainty that they would have done this for the other platforms as well, don't you think? But instead, those servers ae still free, even the dang voice chat and messaging. What isn't free are the things coming from PS+. More than likely, this "premium" cap you seem so eager to point out is tied into the plus subscription rather than the features we are already using on the current platforms you big dodo. LOL Fanboys are so hilarious.

[Root]

"Orbis is also following the path first set by Xbox Live: our source says "most" of the PS4's online features will require a premium subscription to use."

Not liking the sound of this but after people don't seem to give a crap that Microsoft do it I'm not surprised...but now that Sony is doing it there will be hell on. Seriously if people stood up to MS about it then Sony wouldn't probably be forced to do it.

"Some other tidbits: our source says that every PS4 will come with a PlayStation Eye;"

No...No and No

They better not...I'm not paying more for something I'm not even going to take out of the box. Come on Sony man don't do this

I hope this info is fake

[hobohunterz]

It's going to come with the eye because the controllers all have the move function on them

[Root]

...we don't know if it's actually the move do we. It could be something else

Whatever it is I know for a fine fact I'm not setting that camera up so it better not be needed to play my PS4. Some people don't have the room for it

[MikeMyers]

"Seriously if people stood up to MS about it then Sony wouldn't probably be forced to do it."

Nobody is forcing Sony, let alone Microsoft. So let's stop wearing tinfoil hats shall we? Does Nintendo charge for the Wii U? Does Steam? Funny how people are so quick to blame Microsoft for any issue Sony faces. I don't recall Microsoft holding a gun to Sony and forcing them to charge consumers $600 for a game console.

Sony will keep the core online experience for free and will further enhance the Plus service. Gaikai could also be a premium service as well but I find it very difficult to believe they will take Microsoft's position of forcing gamers to pay to play online.

[trenso1]

of course i read the title and was like "seriously? Your phone?" i know if click the link the article will say "our reliable source" or something along those lines told them this information. I almost never believe anything if it doesnt have a legit source especially after that VersusXIII rumor they made about it being cancelled.

[nigelkay]

I'm starting to think that people don't understand what the meaning of "taking with a (grain) of salt.

[talisker]

I just woke up, came here and read "with a huge barrel of shit" with my still sleepy eyes. Then I laughed.

[Link079]

Fail ? mobile phone is a bad idea,i can already talk to my friends on my phone ?

[Fishermenofwar]

He said barrel....LOLZ

[Walker]

Triggers look great. My first look at them.

[TheGamerDood]

Damn, the triggers look beefy/solid. The overall new design looks great, I just hope it feels good in my hands.

"You'll be able to use a mobile device to chat with your PS4 friends"

The tech is already built into most of these phones so why not use them.

"Orbis is also following the path first set by Xbox Live: our source says "most" of the PS4's online features will require a premium subscription to use."

It better f'ing not!

"PlayStation World"

It has a nice ring to it, I like it.

[ApolloTheBoss]

It looks like they ditched the little springs in the back. I'm glad they fixed that It was annoying when the triggers got stuck.

[imtheman2013]

Just knowing that it's the PS4 will make it feel great in my hands! But yeah, it does look 'beefier' than the current dualshock.

[BanBrother]

@Walker

I'm also interested in the Analogue sticks. They look like they could be the best designed ones yet. Genius! Add a 'moat' around the center. Controller looks really clean as well. Can't wait. The hype is giving me chills and butterflies.

[1nsomniac]

it's only my opinion but there's 2 things that will definitely be different on the retail controllers & that's the Analogue sticks & the D-Pad.

The analogue sticks are difficult to use & adjust to with that design, which is why you only tend to get that design on cheap pads.

Also Sony are VERY protective over their D-Pad so I would imagine again they will further space apart the directions.

[Cupid_Viper_3]

@ 1nsomniac

You clearly haven't used a PS Vita, the Dpad on there is arguably the best I've ever used on any on console or handheld. And that's going back to 1985 with the original Nintendo. So it seems they're trying to get it to be as close to the PS Vita's Dpad as possible.

It's the smoothest, blister free Dpad I've ever had the pleasure of using. It also has a very satisfying click that helps you know when you're doing a move correctly or not when playing fighting games. If you don't have one, stop at Walmart or Gamestop and test out the floor model they have out.

[1nsomniac]

The triggers do look very nice but lets remember that the retail controllers wont be identical, & thats even if this is an early dev pic as it could be just a fake.

Your right though they do look great & I hope they stay exactly like that.

I personally think that this image that is being passed around the web is a fake.

[Blackdeath_663]

that is the best picture so far i am finally convinced about the new controller. still want to see the back of it and whether or not it has some sort of touch pad there

[porkChop]

Those triggers look pretty great. I'm really liking this new controller, seems almost perfect.

[Fez]

Still not concave enough for my liking. We'll see what happens anyway.

[chukamachine]

I'm ready.

[thesubmittedone]

Me too... I never felt like this gen had as many really special experiences like the previous ones. I don't know, maybe it's just me, but I'm thinking about the first time I played Mortal Kombat during the SNES/Genesis era, or Final Fantasy VII and Resident Evil on PSone, or the first Halo on Xbox and GTA on PS2, or the first time I played an online match of Rainbow Six on Xbox Live... I just feel like this generation there wasn't that "wow, this is amazing" type of moment. There were a lot of great games, but nothing really that innovative. Unless you count the silly Kinect/Move/Wii stuff. I know I don't.

I'm hoping we get that this generation. And I'm glad Microsoft and Sony are still competing with each other because we all win. I will never understand how some seem to favor one or the other so much. I don't want Sony to crush Microsoft or vice versa, that'll only bring complacency and arrogance. Look at Madden now. Look at the mistakes Sony made with the PS3 upon it's release. That's what a lack of competition brings and we'll be the losers in the end.

Too much fanboyism here on N4G in my opinion.

[HarryMasonHerpderp]

The rumours are going to get more and more crazy the closer it gets to 6pm tomorrow lol.
So much hype I can feel it through my monitor!

[gunnerforlife]

6pm USA time or UK time ? i got no idea what time its gone be on in UK time :/

Edit: Below thank you, bubble up!

[OccludedGamer]

11pm UK time

[HarryMasonHerpderp]

Haha yes it's 11pm for us Brits, not too late.
I'd stay up till 2am just to watch this event though!

[WildStyles]

Playsation World replacing PSN+.

[pr0t0typeknuckles]

its not the fact that it can come out in november, i mean its not common for new tche to be announced and come out in the same year but its possible

its not the fact you can control it with a phone because with todays tech anything is possible

but its the fact that it came from kotaku

[R_aVe_N]

429 or 529 that is very odd pricing if you ask me. Most tech related device usually stick to the example 399.99 or 349.99 pricing area. Honestly they need to stop making articles about it and just wait until it is announced tomarrow or whenever.

[miyamoto]

Most Sony electronic devices are equipped with One Touch integration.

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

No wires

[SamPao]

I ve seen this. Its so sick.

I think they will implement it into the Playstation Controller. OOOOH this is a great time to be a playstation fan!!!

[a_bro]

It's good to know they they are becoming ubiquitous with the console, but playstation world is something we need to know more about. It really sucks that we have to pay for that feature set

[Thatguy-310]

It's Playstation plus just renamed. Think online will stay free but all the extra features will be integrated for plus members. Let's remember things aren't cheap in this world. So what stays free will be what we have in the ps3. Anything new will be behind ps plus. Honestly it's better than paying for online like Microsoft.

[bakagaijin78]

Agreed. I feel like this is why they're doing the current PS+ promotion (buy 1 year get 3 months free) that is lasting until early March. I think they're banking on a lot of new subs after tomorrow. I mean, if they were completely getting rid of PS+ for PS 'world' people who subbed in during this time would be super-pissed.

[Captain Tuttle]

I suspect that most people here will be OK with a vast majority of features behind a paywall

[Cupid_Viper_3]

Well I would assume so as well given that how a vast majority of features on the current PS3 are behind a paywall.

Netflix $8.00 a month
Crunchyroll- Subscription
Neon Alley- subscription
Music Unlimited- Subscription
PlayStation Plus- Subscription

But Online multiplayer- Free
YouTube- Free
Web Browser- Free
Video Chat- Free
Demos- Free

So yeah, if they bring more extra stuff that requires their own subscription like they're already doing right now, I'm cool with that.

What I won't be cool with is having to pay a subscription fee on top of another one like you it with Xbox Live. Or having to pay a for PS Plus subscription to get access to the online portion of my game. That will never sit well with me regardless of who's doing it.

[Captain Tuttle]

It won't sit well with you but will you hold your nose and pay it?

[Cupid_Viper_3]

Or do what? sell my PS3 and forget all those free games and the exlusives and go to Microsoft and keep more money for much less?

I would have to put up with it or quit gaming as I don't want to have to constantly be upgrading and tweaking a pc to play games.

But you can bet that I'd be doing all I can to gather people to speak against this nonsense.

[Captain Tuttle]

Talk is cheap. As long as you and other who feel the same way will pay Sony (and MS) won't change a thing.

[EliteDave93]

I very much doubt a November release. Id say more like early 2014.

[MrWonderful]

I like PS+ PSWORLD just sounds childish to me

[NBT91]

We are but one day from knowing the truth ourselves (or, a degree of it at least)

[brave27heart]

I'll happily pay for a PS Plus style service, but I hope Sony doesnt lock most of its features up behind a subscription. They won a lot of fans for having free online, dont ruin it now.

[solid_warlord]

If $ony start putting price on Playing Online then it already lost. The biggest thing PS3 had advantage was to be able to play online for free.

Xbox live was technically superior in every way imaginable and u really did get what u pay for. If $ony started charging for playing online, they will lose. PS4 could be the last $ony hardware they ever make. Lets just hope that this is just a rumor and nothing more but these rumors usually do come true.

[gunnerforlife]

i think that is the only thing thats gone be free in the ps4! free to Play online games! Everything else i believe is gone be in PsWorld, where you will have to pay to gain access, im good with that, only want free online, they cant do what they want with the rest.

[NYC_Gamer]

How would they lose?i'm sure playing games online will be free with the option to become paid members for exclusive deals and other things

[solid_warlord]

$ONY doesn't have the muscle to out shine M$ in bringing huge content to the online infrastructure and im am not just talking about games but other medias.

Allot of people i have spoken to who choose PS3 over 360 is that its free online. They don't like the fact that PSN doesn't have cross game party chat ect but the fact its FREE makes PS3 a whole lot better and appealing to them. If ur a person who play one or two games online, u prob wont see no value paying a subscription.

I pay for live. It allows me to chat with my mates whiles they play a different game and i can listen to music whiles playing a different game. XBOX Live is vastly superior in that.

The only thing any Sony fanboys are correct at and ordinary PS3 costumer reason for choosing... is the fact PSN is free to play. No subs to worry about. If you only play COD online why do u have to pay for live when u don't use or care for other services it provide, that's a very fair and valid comment.

I really hope the PSN always remains free to playing games. If it goes the way XBL has an compete with M$ at there own game....$ony will lose.

[Cupid_Viper_3]

@ Solid_Warlord

"$ONY doesn't have the muscle to out shine M$ in bringing huge content to the online infrastructure and im am not just talking about games but other medias. "

So let me get this straight...Sony, the company who owns Music Labels and Movie Studios, and Manufactures all sorts of electronics, doesn't have the muscle to outshine MS in content?

How old are you son?

[Sarobi]

People are already paying for PSN with PS+.. if Sony follows that format than they are far from losing.

@Below: I'm fully convinced that you have no idea what you are saying.

[solid_warlord]

I own both systems and Who pays for PS Plus...i know like 50 odd people with a PS3 and not one pays for PS Plus.

PS Plus gives u many months or years OLD games, to play for free for entire month but to be honest, most people like me see no point.

I like to play 1 or 2 games online when i do play online that is. I would never consider paying for PS Plus. I doubt PS Plus had been such a massive success as playing online is the main point. NOT netflix, bbc iplayers, ESPN, half price bonuses ect.

PSN should always remain free. Kaz Hirai once said no PS owners will ever be charged to play online...well if this Kataku rumor turns out to be true..they are stabbing PS fans at back. It would be GAME OVER for $ony if they implement this crap.

Lets hope this is a pack of lies.

[WeAreLegion]

I have fifteen friends online right now. Thirteen of them have the yellow "Plus" sign above their name.

Everyone I know pays for Plus, including me and my brother. It's a fantastic service.

[hobohunterz]

Kid you don't know what your talking about and it's Sony not $ony you tool.

[Jek_Porkins]

Looks like Sony and Microsoft will be releasing consoles with similar options.
1.Both launching with a camera right out of the box
2.Both offering a premium online service needed to access certain features.
3.Both using a "Smart Glass" type of feature to control the consoles. Further trying to get the tablet/smartphone people involved.

The last thing I take from this is that the ability to sign in multiple accounts on the same console is something the Xbox 360 does now, you can sign in 4 accounts at the same time, I wasn't even aware that the PS3 couldn't do this.

*Just a quick edit*
We don't know the price point of PS World, but do you guys realize it costs a lot of money to run an online service? I'd be willing to pay a little something if it means the service will continue to improve. Nothing is free, but you'll probably be able to at least play online with it for free, but most features will take money.

Think about it, Sony pays money for the right to stream Netflix and every other feature, they get nothing back from that investment.

[bakagaijin78]

Just FYI, you can already sign in on one PS3 with multiple accounts. I play split-screen Borderlands 2 with either my husband or my daughter and they both use their own accounts with their own characters.

[JimmyDanger]

His point is that it's not a universal/built in OS thing. This is miles apart from signing in for each individual game.

If you've got a friend over (or indeed if you're over at a friends house)- or even if your flatmate or partner enjoy some splitscreen/co op gaming sessions - you can't both sign in on the startup screen, then go from game to game, perpetually both signed in - in every single game.

By all accounts, the PS4 will allow/accommodate this. Very good news for the PS platform if true!

[Link079]

So they are both doing what WiiU has done already.

Launching with a camera only on wiiu it's more convienient as it's right on your controls.

Launching with Online,WiiU launched with all new NintendoNetwork ie MiiVerse and Videochat.

Both using smartglass basically a less technical Gamepad with lag and zero panaramic camera viewpoint ie Japenese garden tech.

Both use dx11 capable gpu's,wiiu has a powerful dx11 gpgpu.

[Link079]

It's all about hardware performance and modern tech these days not raw power ?? as games like X and Beyonetta will prove.

[matrixman92]

stole this right from Microsoft

[GraveLord]

As if this is even hard to do. Sony already did it before with Remote Play on PSP and even on Vita. If anything, Microsoft copied Sony.

[Jek_Porkins]

Why is it that Sony fanboys can never admit when Sony obviously steals some idea? It's like you just cant deal with the fact that Sony is like every other company out there and they take ideas that other people have all the time.

I always hear the excuses and people need to quit acting like Sony can do no wrong. They obviously have borrowed heavily from Microsoft and Sony. Microsoft was the first to have an HD console, analog triggers and a HDD, Nintendo was the first to have a motion control device, character fighter (Smash Bros) and first kart racing game (Mario Kart).

As far as consoles go, Microsoft was the first to have an Achievement system and Sony fans whined until Sony implemented one.

Get over it, the companies all borrow ideas from each other and Sony isn't immune to it, they actually have borrowed more lately then ever before.

[Cocozero]

Copying Smart Glass now? Whats next copying Kinect?

[dafegamer]

didnt kinect copy eyetoy?

[SamPao]

some people want to be blind

[greenpowerz]

EYE Toy was a webcame for consoles. It's not even in the same league as Kinect and was never designed to do the same thing as Kinect.

PC webcame software has been able to do what Sony offered years ago(interact with simple objects on screen)

Cocozero was talking about full body 3D motion tracking and full voice command and motion control with games and console.

Sony invented Motion capture? LMAO that is waht Kinect is on the video side running in real time.

-PS4 gets Payed service use.. Check

Now I'm waiting for:

- Sony's Smartglass answer(Sony phones and handhelds at first)

-Kinect answer(720p dual eyetoy hybrid that is almost Kinect but can't be due to copyright and software inexperience)

-Real Specs(Specs will be good but not the godly power hyped. With a possible trickery strategy like with PS3 doing 1080p at 120fps 10x more powerful than a super computer)

[smashcrashbash]

Pretty much.But we don't talk about that outside the fanboy bubble.It is always 'stealing' with Sony but improving with Microsoft and Nintendo.For instance Sony 'stole' not improved on memory cards but Microsoft 'improved' on Eyetoy and Achievements.They don't 'steal' anything.Nintendo just 'borrowed' Sony's AR cards not 'stole' and Microsoft and Nintendo thought of making their systems into multimedia all by themselves by adding browsers, apps, media storage etc.Sony never thought of that.Oh wait, yes they did.

@ greenpowerz.That is BS. The Eyetoy and the PSEYE were more then just a webcam as you put it. It supported AR and games that followed movement also.The only difference is that Kinect followed full body movement as opposed to just hands,feet and head only.Even many of Kinect's games are like Eyetoy games.Don't even try to spin it in your favor. You guys just don't want to admit that both Nintendo and Microsoft followed Sony's AR designs.It not being in the same league has nothing to do with it. Sony's streamlined memory cards were much more advanced then Nintendo's original clumsy design but that doesn't stop people from claiming they 'stole' it.

[ExCest]

No, copying everything according to you and above.

[Bathyj]

24 HOURS TO GO!!

[lovegames718]

Sony haters are going to be coming out strong now. You can literally cut the envy with a knife lol Sit back haters and see how its truly done. Quality over mediocrity!!!!!

Im hype for tomorrow have 150 to pre order as soon as possible

[Sarobi]

If PSWorld IS PS+ (Free games/etc).. I'll pay for it without any questions.

[Ju]

I'll pay. If it is $50 a year and the games keep coming. I think I got games far beyond that mark for free last year. I like goodies. I might have a problem paying for just a service. Not liking this.

[Sarobi]

Well I believed they said that PS+ would carry over to PS4.. So it wouldn't make sense to have a PS+ subscription and a "premium" subscription.. I think the service will remain as it is now, just with PS+ having more features to it.

[Ju]

Yes, I'd expect that. Like live game feed, camera feed back, 15 minutes cloud game safes and that sort of thing. Yes, But basic PS+ and online as is with additional features. My best guess.

[KrisButtar]

did anyone notice the R2/L2 buttons in the article, the look better than the D3, and i hope so as i never liked them on the D3

[CrustifiedDibbs]

i guess i will be buying a console in november then.

[-Gespenst-]

I don't want to be able to do that, and I don't care about that. All they need for this to be a success is to release a console with a controller and some good games.

Keep all this shallow ADD smartphone BS out of it.

Also L2 and R2 look kind of... clicky. I assume they're still pressure sensitive though.

[sdozzo]

How big is the screen on the controller? What will be displayed?

[hobohunterz]

It's supposed to just be a touch pad so it's not going to display much if anything, it's not like a touch screen phone but more like the touch pad at the back of the vita

[Unknown_Soldier]

Called it!

Get it?

[SpadeX]

So that means I'll have to pay for 2 subscriptions? PS+ for PS3, and PS World for Orbis? Or is PS+ going to be replaced entirely..?

[Ju]

That matches exactly what I said before. Advanced "remote play" through Gaikai now integrated into the PS4. Totally makes sense. This can be used to "spectate" a game and also allows a "second screen" feature using the PS Vita (or even Tablet). All there. Exciting. Looking forward to the announcement.

[YourFlyness]

PS World is replacing PS+ not PSN. So the pricing and online model should stay the same (going by this report)

[dubt72]

Sony fanboys paying for online. Ha times infinity!

[YourFlyness]

re-read the article please

[josephayal]

ONLY $429? WELL No need to spend $3,000-$6,000 anymore for a gaming PC

[ziggurcat]

another steaming pile of kraptaku.

[landog]

it'll be over $500 for sure

my hope is it will be out in august or earlier!

[TBONEJF]

I highly doubt it will be out this year. cause remember they delayed the PS3 so it probably won't be out till 2014 if they want to beat the crap out of the Xbox they have too FORCE too push too NOV

[evilhasitsway]

umm they came out after xbox this time and beat the crap out of them why would the have to FORCE too push to nov? they could come out late again and still beat ms.

[EffectO]

n4g will melt down tommorow

[evilhasitsway]

his how you know all this is bs is cause there not going to rename ps+ or anything ps+ will most likely be on ps4 since our sign in ids will transfer over. yeah it will get an upgrade on it but there not going to do what xbox does and make people pay thats one of the biggest reason people choose ps3 over xbox besides games.

[SOULJER]

Why did kotaku get Black Listed again?

[sak500]

I can control my XBOX360 right now (and for last few months) with my S3 android phone using smartglass app. Send msgs, browse or start games and even mimic it as a controller. So sony guys have to wait till Nov to control their PS4?

[DivineAssault]

im really diggin that controller!!! The analogs, triggers,Dpad, speaker, touchpad, etc are great! 16 or so hours left! Show em whos BOSS sony!

[danthebios]

I think if Ps4 was introduced today and was told will be out next month wouldnt that be BIG?!!!!!

[ajax17]

So who else just got $10 sent to them from PSN for being loyal? I tried redeeming mine but got an error code.

[dazzrazz]

Orbis is also following the path first set by Xbox Live: our source says "most" of the PS4's online features will require a premium subscription to use. Sony's new online service will be called PlayStation World, our source says, replacing PlayStation Plus.

If that happens PS3 fanboys will have to stop talking shit :D

[matchu_peechu]

Xbox smartglass. Sony is ALWAYS one step behind

[ThaBlackBaron]

Oh god NO! Paid Online service? FAIL! Thats one of the BEST things Nintendo and Sony has over Microsoft...or in Sony case had

Two models $429 & $529 LOL absolutely FAIL! if true..PS4 will not sell at those prices, especially this holiday! I hope for Sony sake of survival that they dont price it that high...i mean haven't they learned by now look at Vita

[ceed911]

You know I can control my Xbox 360 with my phone already right? Like literally.

Unfortunately this play is sony fanboy central so this honest opinion will be "disagreed" with.