Wii U Excuses Have to Stop

When the concept of this little article initially popped into Nathanial Rumphol-Janc's head it was a rather one-sided affair. He wanted to address excuses the industry may likely be rationalizing themselves with in order to not properly show support for the Wii U. However, as he was gathering some information to create this piece he came upon a rather interesting revelation: The Wii U fans need to stop creating excuses as well.

[Dylila]

common sense ensues

[rainslacker]

LOL, good luck with that.

Generally I find that the excuses only seem to come about in doom/hate articles or comments. So a good way to stop the excuses is to stop the doom/hate articles and comments.

[Realplaya]

@ MasterCornholio ass and taking names later. going forwar the ps3 is actually the worlds second best selling console. Butt I do agree that it's kicking ass and taking names later. I think that going forward companies will and I hope not rely on on hand me down games to sell but original games.

I bought my wiiu on day 1 still love it and I have only bought one game zombieu. But I bought the game based off reviews from people on amazon they loved the game and I see why. With that being said there does need to be some key things pointed out.
1 No I will not buy a football game with missing features.
2.No I will not buy a game with horrible frame rate issues.
3. No I will not buy a game
you rushed out so it's looks bad while others look good.
4. Also what the hell is up with giving us 1 year old ports at a higher price.
5. The thing that's top on my list there were games canceled by developers and not picked up by publishers that have not seen the light of day why not release those as original IP's.

Yep those are my reasons for not buying third party games.

[Starfox17]

I just think 3rd partys are willing to support a dying Sony console but not a Nintendo console thats selling alright but just needs real support,it's like 3rd partys are banking on ps4 and 720 being a success ? what if they fail to pick up will they all flock to Nintendo ? i mean they cant keep assuming Nintendo will fail when we all know they wont it's like a conspiracy against Nintendo all Nintendo need to do is keep bringing the 3rd party exclusives like Beyonetta2/X/LegoCity,yes Nintendo are developing that title with TT games,and Wonderful 101,ect,then with in house studios like Retro ect i'm sure 3rd partys will flock when WiiU is dripping with higher quality games ie mainly because 3rd partys havnt flooded the platform with CRAP.

[MasterCornholio]

"I just think 3rd partys are willing to support a dying Sony console but not a Nintendo console thats selling alright but just needs real support,it's like 3rd partys are banking on ps4 and 720 being a success ?"

The PS3 is dying? WTF

1: 3DS - 169,183 (+1%)
2: PS3 - 106,882 (+4%)
3: X360 - 75,643 (0%)
4: WiiU - 37,755 (+10%)
5: PSV - 25,916 (-2%)
6: PSP - 24,694 (-7%)
7: DS - 22,855 (-6%)
8: Wii - 21,477 (-17%)

http://n4g.com/news/1171093...

The PS3 is the worlds top selling console with over 70 million PS3s sold world wide. And the PS3 is doing well in terms of software sales.

1: (PS3) Ni no Kuni: Wrath of the White Witch - 175,428
2: (X360) Call of Duty: Black Ops II - 91,611
3: (PS3) Call of Duty: Black Ops II - 84,955
4: (3DS) Animal Crossing: New Leaf - 65,785
5: (PS3) Far Cry 3 - 50,462
6: (PS3) FIFA Soccer 13 - 50,075
7: (X360) Far Cry 3 - 47,461
8: (Wii) Just Dance 4 - 46,223
9: (3DS) New Super Mario Bros. 2 - 43,687
10: (PS3) DMC - 43,266 (3DS, Nintendo DS, PS Vita, PS3, PSP, Wii, Wii U, Xbox 360)

So how is the PS3 a dying console when at this moment the Wii U is doing much worse than it? I know the Wii U is a new console but theres no way thats its doing better than the PS3 at this moment. Maybe in the future once Nintendo gets the games that gamers want on the system it will start to sell well but before that happens the Wii U will have to deal with sluggish sales and an abysmal library like all new consoles.

[fatstarr]

I think he meant the vita. and hes correct devs flipped the wii to the doomed consoles section till it was selling like hotcakes, then every 3rd party dev made some trash game to get a quick buck on the wii.

and whats funny is that the devs that didn't try made more money than the 3rd party devs that tried and cared. Nintendo never was sony/microsoft and come 2014 when other consoles are in this very predicament (historically consoles dont sell q1 and q2 in comparison to q3 and q4 sales) I bet we will see a world of excuses...

honestly its just the video game cycle. once e3 comes things start moving.
Nintendo 1st party
New Zelda
Super Saiyan retro studios
new super smash
suda 51's projects
Monolith Soft
what ever is announced at e3

and tons more devs are on board. I have a wiiu, wii, ps3, 360, 3ds I can bear the wait for some awesome Nintendo games. its not that critical.

and real talk the wii has a lineup of like 14 games and only 5 of them are worth while if you are 18+.

[linkofrs]

@MasterCornholio
You are correct in saying its not dying but, the last of us Is going to pretty much be the ps3's peak potential. We need a new console generation because without one games will continue to look the same. Never the less I imagine the ps3 will probably be doing well until at least Christmas.

[Shnazzyone]

It's a nice article. Makes a good point, we should simply stop bickering. Just wish journalists could cut down on the failure talk. I don't understand how it can be a failure when it's sold more in it's first 6 months than 360 did in it's entire first year, You can say the same about ps3's launch year too. It's a new gen. Gamers need to be patient before jumping to conclusions and noone should be wishing negative results for any of the big 3 companies. Without all three we don't have the options we have now as gamers. We should work on respect across the board.

[fluffydelusions]

Nintendo forever doomed since the 80's

[CouldHaveYelledUiiW]

Exactly!

X-Box and Playstation have always been better than Nintendo even way back then (in the 80's).

And don't get me started on Atari Lynx and Sega's Awesomeness!- I can't wait to see their new systems this E3 =-D.

Edit: do I and the poster above have to write "/sarcasm" - think about it.

(Yeah, I saw what you did there.)

"Well Said" at Fluffy!

[JKelloggs]

Playstation and Xbox better than Nintendo in the 80s? Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Playstation and Xbox weren't out in the 80s?

[classic200]

Your were born the other day

[CouldHaveYelledUiiW]

@JKelloggs
@classic200

Lol- Why do you reply to me if you haven't bothered to read the full statement?

[multipayer]

The joke is that he was using sarcasm to dismiss all the doom and gloom articles. Fanboys liked that. The next dude took the joke even further specifying that the situation was identical back then. It obviously wasn't, so the whole thing collapsed on the fanboys trapping them under piles of their BS. The end.

[lizard81288]

I think id software should make a game called, Nintendoom.

[LOL_WUT]

"We may rage over Rayman Legends, but the actual intent to buy crowd probably doesn't even break the 50,000 mark, which only further proves the point that the games aren't selling."

"Games like Madworld seemed rather brilliant, but it's abysmal sales have lead to it being a one and done game. The fact they didn't try to bring it to other consoles could simply be an indicator that they lost too much money on it to afford such an endeavor"

"In the end folks, lets stop making excuses for why the Wii U should get support. Us just saying we want it isn't going to cut it"

Well said and good read. ;)

[ElectricKaibutsu]

"Logically we could say that Nintendo has been at this for over 25 years, so the only for sure thing you can state is that they can and will prevail. So why not support the only system you know won't go away?"

"The third party publishers also need to stop making excuses. They need to realize the potential of a market they are missing out on..."

I agree. Good article.

[medziarz]

there is no potential market for their games - that's the point! the annual CoD and AC doesn't sell to Nintendo people.

[linkofrs]

@medziarz
There is also a point to that being that Nintendo isn't trying to just satisfy the Nintendo gamers. They're trying to back to the good old days where all gamers played on their consoles. Honestly I'd like things to go back to when gamers were gamers, not Pc/Sony/Microsoft/Nintendo gamers.

[fatstarr]

I agree with those statements, not just for Nintendo but universally for all consoles in the video game world

things are hyped like they should be million sellers but in reality they don't even break the 500k marks. the way I see it us commenters , videogame news checkers and forum runners are the 10% of the videogame industry , we are the ones with the voice. usually when speaking we are talking for similar enthusiasts like ourselves, and not the brain dead casuals. I have seen it time and time again, so proudly hyped and abysmal sales. something has to change $$$ talks.

honestly we need to move away from the world where 500k is a failure, everyone cant be a call of duty or a pokemon or a halo. devs should see this. if the future of videogames is to change.

[Theyellowflash30]

Madworld was not that good. would have flopped on ps360. No more heroes flopped on the ps3

[N4g_null]

Nope mad world was only slightly angry meh. No more Heros slaughtered it along with the second red steel actually being good.

Also I havnt seen one excuse that was not used for the ps3 or Xbox.

For some reason it is ok for Sony to not release hardly any games along with ms. Maybe it is because third parties actually try on those systems. Reguardless I'm having fun on the wiiu. Nintendo land is a huge game though. I already have a back list of games yet I'm still halfway thur nintendo land, Pikman's later stages are sweet! Metroid is also lots of fun. It would be very cool if nintendo gave us addons to Nintendo land that where like demos of up coming games! I havnt even touched Mario 2d hardly. Zombie u needs some attention too. Yet I'll be beating asscreed later, may or may not buy batman.

The main problem I have with the last two games are mechanics that are boring.

I'm thinking developers are relying on graphics way too much.

[bothebo]

It's pretty sad how badly Nintendo has botched their releases in the past 10 or so years. I can't say Sony has done well either, but they seem to be setting up the PS4 with an amazing launch line up, so we'll see what happens there.

[phantomexe]

I think saying nintendo is doomed or saying they screwed there release up is a little premature. Never count nintendo out as most gamers should know by now. They didn't get where they are makeing misakes since the 80s. A little common sense right?

[StrongMan]

Agreed. Nintendo made the grave mistake of turning their backs on the hardcore in favor of the casuals and now they want the hardcore to trust them. Not going to happen. When you lose the hardcore you will never get them to trust that you won't abandon them again. Microsoft will learn this lesson next gen as well.

[Jek_Porkins]

Stop trolling every Nintendo and Microsoft article. Game companies need to draw in more than a core crowd for their consoles to compete with tablets and phones.

Latest rumor on the Sony front is the PS4 launching with voice commands, PS Eye and touch screen controller. I'd go as far to say the PS1 and PS2 were as successful as they were because they offered games for every type of gamer, they tried to capture the casual this generation towards the end, so I'd hold my tongue if I were you.

[ElectricKaibutsu]

@StrongMan

Give me a break. The hardcore abandoned Nintendo long before Nintendo abandoned them. N64? GameCube? Where were the hardcore then?

[Megaton]

Playing hardcore games on PS1 and 2.

[Quetzll]

@megaton
"playing hardcore games on PS1 and 2"

What's your definition of a "hardcore" game?

To my knowledge, there's nothing on any game box that says "hardcore game". Probably because the word "hardcore", in video game terms, means you've gone the extra mile to figure out the ins and outs of the game, refining your skills.

No game can be labelled as hardcore, only the gamer.

[miyamoto]

Who abandoned who?

Mr. Iwata begs to disagree with you...

"Nintendo president admits mistake in abandoning core audience for casual gamers"

http://www.digitaltrends.co...

“The Wii was able to reach a large number of new consumers who had never played games before by bringing hands-on experiences with its Wii Sports and Wii Fit. However, we could not adequately create the situation that such new consumers played games frequently or for long, consistent periods. As a result we could not sustain a good level of profit,” said Iwata.
“Moreover, regrettably, what we prioritized in order to reach out to the new audience was a bit too far from what we prioritized for those who play games as their hobby. Consequently, we presume some people felt that the Wii was not a game system for them or they were not willing to play with the Wii even though some compelling games had been released.”

Now, who are we supposed to believe Mr. Iwata or u?

smh

stop the denial and face the music

PS: People need to differentiate casual gamers to core gamers because Nintendo already knew that difference a long time ago that is why they made the Wii and rightfully so they succeeded.

What they did with 3DS they will also do with Wii U. These are all calculated moves.

Nintendo is experienced and smart even though they are very predictable.

[sherimae2413]

the hardcore abandoned nintendo? i dont think what your sayin is right oni-chan......

but i dont want nintendo to fail...... its just the fanboys are the ones that irritates me..

[ElectricKaibutsu]

The GameCube did not sell and that was the last "hardcore" Nintendo system. I'm not blaming people for switching to PlayStation, that's where the games were. But it's not like everything was fine until Nintendo stabbed the hardcore gamers in the back.

[Muffins1223]

why dose it look like she is giving a blowjob to a ghost's dick...

[Megaton]

Because you're 12 years old.

[SilentNegotiator]

Because she stole your glasses and you don't see the lollipop?

[Old McGroin]

"why dose it look like she is giving a blowjob to a ghost's dick..."

Because you touch yourself at night.

[Kevlar009]

I've been trying to use a 360 to WiiU comparison (both 3 million at the same time), exclusive/early release of Rayman Legends, and Nintendo Direct as ammo, but these have tired out (or been strucken down) by now.

One thing Nintendo desperately needs is a hardcore first party title. And no I'm not talking about Zelda or Metroid, but a M rated exclusive tailor-made for the WiiU, something to catch the "mature", adult audience. They need something along the lines of Xbox's Halo and Gears, or PlayStation's God of War and Killzone, a major action title (preferably online and/or badass) that caters to the Testosterone-heavy crowd. Nintendo doesn't have any of these type's of games on their consoles, something MS and Sony have profited on.

I believe it's time to look at and try to recreate what Nintendo's competitors have succeeded at. There are some missing features Nintendo needs to acquire before it's too late, before gamers give up waiting for nothing

[ozstar]

America is a violent place, but games do not need violence to be a success.

Besides, you must be quite blind to the fact that both MS and Sony were missing 10 million copy selling kart racers and platformers.

[ps3_pwns]

The hardcore didn't abandon nintendo back then. the mainstream gamers did and those same mainstream gamers abandoned nintendo and then sony, but they slowly coming back to sony once they know they were dumb for getting the halo, gears, 60 dollar online box. the Hardcore gamers always stayed with sony and nintendo. With the wii nintendo made more casual gamers.

casual gamer base is the biggest, mainstream gamer base is second biggest, hardcore gamers is the smallest piece of the pie.

[RTheRebel]

I bought a ps3 at launch it had no games that interested me, I waited and waited, while the whole industry/xbots was laughing/doom articles at the ps3 and then games started to come out uncharted 2 god of war and littlebigplanet and now where are the naysayers. These doom articles are a reason this whole industry is a joke including fanboys. Wii U will get its games just have patience, look at the ps3 now.

[medziarz]

yea, but the doom against PS3 were all lies and propaganda in the US (so that American Microsoft takes over another worldwide industry and the Japs are gotten rid of) while Nintendo doom is mostly justified by facts.

[N4g_null]

So now we see why europe is pro Sony huh? Interesting.

The cell problems and no games was real. Americans don't enjoy hype fps are big there also.

[linkofrs]

The doom articles against the ps3 were there because it was popular to hate on the ps3. Pretty much mostly the same reason why people hate on Nintendo atm. The other factor of the nintendo hate is because of the wii and its catering to casual players. Nintendo even said they made a mistake doing that, pretty much apologized for it and now they are trying to cater to all gamers, and yet people still give them a bad wrap.

[medziarz]

@scissor_runner

Europeans have no stake in it, some think the xbox owned and sony's a dust collector, to some ps3 is where gaming is at - there's no continent-wide agenda in gamestops and gaming media.

@linkofrs

it has been popular to hate sony for 7 years straight, from the beginning where it was clear that the beast is weakened and vulnerable - because there's an agenda
nintendo was out of reach for this gen but as soon as it showed signs of weakness, the agenda is set in motion to bring down the other Japs

[ovhaum]

From the article:

"The third party publishers also need to stop making excuses. They need to realize the potential of a market they are missing out on—the potential of the fact that while sales for a few years may be low and not covering costs, the profits off other consoles should make up for it."

He can't be serious...

Why should Third parties sacrifice profit from PsS3/360 to gauge what is already obvious: Nintendo fans only care for game with the "Nintendo Kosher" seal of approval.

Nintendo is the one who have to incentive --$$money$$-- third party devs to release and make it attractive.

[PopRocks359]

Because according to Ubisoft it costs less than $1 million to port a current generation game to the Wii U. So considering how small a number of units sold you'd need to make a profit from a figure like that, even third party devs could make some easy profits off the platform.

[Hicken]

Putting your games on a new system makes the system more attractive, and that turns into more sales of the system. Which, in turn, means a larger potential sales base for your games.

Seems pretty obvious, to me.

[Benjaminkno]

Yeah, there are plenty of reasons. I suppose Nintendo could've placated to the older generation of gamers with "mature" and "adult" games but when was that ever the case?

Half of the reason Wii games didn't sell is because devs didn't market their games.

Sony or Microsoft is going down in this industry. I don't see how there's room enough for all of the big 3. Not in this type of climate. Then Nintendo might be given a second look. I'm afraid the good times have met their peak, devs and pubs are dropping like flies.

[ozstar]

So true bro.

Even with Nintendo remaking Wind Waker already, its pretty evident the hd industry can't sustain itself.

[Warj]

Insightful article, well put together with concise points.

[wiium64]

sony and microsoft fanboys are scared of the wii u being number one in the next gen wars, just like the wii won the current gen wars. why don't they just enjoy their machines like tbird said? because they are the 12yr olds, who whine and cry, just because their machine is not number one.
i don't care about number one, look at game cube and n64. sony and microsoft combined can not touch games like zelda ocarana of time, so who cares who is number one. nintendo is going to have some of the best games in the next gen of consoles, and that's all i care about. fanboys need to grow up, who cares who is number one, just enjoy your games, but alas, spoiled childish fanboys will always troll nintendo, how sad.

[1upgamer99]

I am a Nintendo fan for sure, but I agree......I am pissed off at Nintendo.

[wiiulee]

lol im not sure what excuses are out there...wiiu is a fantastic system selling well in a bad economy with bad commercial and games and being hated on by clowns and kids.....point is xbox and psnext will offer nothing new, deluted fanboys are just talking....once the games hit for wiiu sales will go through the roof..it is the most expensive system out right now....so you have all this hatred but nintendo is doing the right thing tuning up all the features...then hits the games and everything is solidified this year before the other systems hit...i mean wiiu is not the psvita...wiiu is still in pole position...the games are coming

[sherimae2413]

-_-?......

[neogeo]

I have an excuse for you. 9 weeks. How was ps3 ad 360 doing at 9 week old?

[DivineAssault]

umm ps3 & 360 were going to receive 3rd party support regardless of sales.. Nintendo isnt that fortunate.. When nx gen machines get here, wii u will have to scavenge whatever games they can get that are still being made for ps3/360 while ps4/nxbox get newer & bigger projects