Dev says companies talked about canned Wii U games rather than new ones at DICE, more

NE: "Developers and publishers from around the world gathered at the D.I.C.E. Summit earlier this week. For Wii U, the main piece of news stemming from the event concerns the delay of Rayman Legends. But that's not all: there's another concerning Wii U update to discuss."

[Kamikaze135]

"Additionally, Wynands noted how “a high budget Wii U game” hoping to sell “millions” has only sold “tens of thousands” thus far. It’s unclear which game was being referred to, but “It is one of the top rated games for the platform.”"

Which game do you guys think this could be?

[Godchild1020]

I'm thinking COD:BO2, Zombie U or Assassin's Creed 3. I'm sure Mario and NintendoLand broke 1 million retail and more combined with digital sales.

[Zodiac]

I'm thinking Black Ops as well. I'm surprised that any devs thought a multi plat launch game would sell millions, though.

The Wii U has sold 3 million units to date. Even though CoD sells a lot, did they really expect it to sell millions? That would be a ridiculously high attach rate.

Edit:@ LOLo_WUT. ZombiU sold a few hundred thousand,so it can't be that. It's got to be CoD or Assasins Creed.

[LOL_WUT]

Maybe it was Zombie U? That could be the motive behind the new Zombie U bundle which was probably made to amp up the games sales. Which was a little too pricey to be honest with you. ;)

[UltraVegito]

Either CoD or AC 3 it's downright illogical expecting to sell millions on a system at LAUNCH.

This sounds like a excuse for devs to not make games for the Wii U.

[-Alpha]

Not sure why devs are expecting ports to sell millions, so I'm going with Zombie U. I remember that game at least got me hyped for Wii U.

That said, the Wii U is in its infancy, and I wonder if the expectations were for the console to sell a lot more, thereby increasing sales of the game, or if it was for the actual game to sell millions and have a high attach rate.

Either way, with this and Rayman Legends coming to PS3/360 (which I'm personally happy about), the recent gloom seems worrying, and like always, I expect Nintendo-made exclusives to pick up the slack while the third party train halts and flips focus to PS4/Nextbox

[guitarded77]

I think I'm in agreement with the rest of y'all... I bought my Wii U at launch, with Mario Bros, Zombie U and Nintendo Land. I had no intention of buying CoD or AC3 on the Wii U for a couple of reasons.

CoD: I knew there wasn't going to be a huge install base to play online with, so I bought it on XBOX like most of my friends, so we can play online MP.

AC3: I bought it for the PS3 because of the bonus content, and that's where I've played all other AC games.

As for other multi-platform games like Batman, Mass Effect, etc... I already played those and wasn't willing to buy them again... especially at full retail.

Those in the industry should expect initial sales of any console to be mostly made by dedicated gamers who aren't committed to just one platform. The dedicated gamers are the ones who buy games and hardware on day 1. Those in the industry shouldn't expect those dedicated gamers to buy games at full price that they've already played 6 months ago. The problem is they had unrealistic expectations, and didn't consider many factors.

[deSSy2724]

I can agree with you Zodiac... i think the game is BO2. Well, Wii U has "only" about 3 million owners so far, its not that bad for a Wii U start aka first months but you cant compare that to 75mil+ PS3 or 75mil+ Xbox360 consoles. Most CoD players are playing on Xbox360, PS3 and PC. Their friends are on those systems, they are familiar with PS3/xbox360 controllers, mouse and keyboard and all that stuff.

And this "did they really expect it to sell millions?" is 100% truth, the same we can see on all other platforms. Did CoD ever sold in 60-75 mil PS3 copies? did CoD ever sold in 60-75 Xbox 360 copies? did CoD ever sold in 80-100 mil Wii copies? did CoD ever sold in 200-500 mil (random number) PC copies? answer to that question is simply NO.

[StanSmith]

Judging by VGChartz (I know), it's Mass Effect 3. It's the only game thus far that we can see has only sold "tens of thousands" as stated in the article.

http://www.vgchartz.com/pla...

It's currently sat at 40,000 units sold Worldwide. If this has annoyed EA, then it's they're own stupid fault porting a game whose fanbase is purely on PS3/360/PC.

Had they ported the entire trilogy, they would have achieved better sales. They charged full price for the game while at the same time, releasing the trilogy sets on PC/360/PS3. No logic whatsoever. It was a pure cash grab considering they didn't put much effort into the Wii Us second screen.

It could also be Fifa 13 or Madden, which again, were half-arsed ports from EA.

I don't believe it's Activision or Ubisoft considering the sales for their games look quite respectable considering the bulk of them are ports. Ubisoft have sold 690,000 games and Activision have sold 320,000 games in total, while EA have only sold 120,000 games. All three of EAs titles were big franchises too.

[ElectricKaibutsu]

I agree with you guys that said it's ZombiU. I wouldn't expect ports to sell very many.

This Wii U doom article doesn't sound like a sensationalized Wii U doom article. I'm worried about this console.

[SilentNegotiator]

"Either CoD or AC 3 it's downright illogical expecting to sell millions on a system at LAUNCH.
This sounds like a excuse for devs to not make games for the Wii U"

That's right, developers are just LOOKING for an excuse to have a smaller potential amount of buyers. /s

What were you saying about "illogical"? He wasn't talking about on the spot sales, he was talking about over time. The idea is that WiiU isn't looking good for healthy as possible software sales.

[TheDivine]

Might be Darksiders 2. That game has under 10,000 people on miiverse. Hell I'd expect all ports that are available for half price and a year old on other consoles would sell like shit. We've all played them unless its a very small fraction of people who only had a wii. Make exclusive games that are good and they will sell. Casual games, Nintendo games, and Japanese (jrpgs, Srpgs, exc) sell well. I'm hoping for a killer first party lineup and a shit ton of RPGs. It's already starting with Xenoblade 2, SMT x Fire Emblem, and whatever else is coming. The wii wound up great for rpgs and the ds/3ds is undisputed king for those genres these days. I don't care about ME3 or COD tbh although future multiplayer releasing is a good thing. Not good it's missing stuff like DMC, Tomb Raider, and others. I have all consoles so I don't care but it may sway others to buy a different console.

Even if it wound up another GameCube I'd be happy as that was one of the best consoles ever. Bring me Metroid, Zelda, Paper Mario, Star Fox, Kid Icarus, SSB, Fire Emblem, Xenoblade, and whatever 3rd party games like SMT, Tales, Twewy, and other RPGs come its way. It's a good sigh that Nin seems to have secured Dragon Quest exclusivity, Monster Hunter exclusivity, and SMT exclusivity along with Bayonetta 2 and another Platinum Games exclusive the P101 game. That's a powerful handful of games for Japan.

[RememberThe357]

The sad part about this whole thing is that N4G can figure it out but these publishers can't. We have to be regarded as one of the worst communities in the online gaming world, yet we can figure it out. What does that say about these publishers.

Expecting multi-platform games to sell on Wii U when everyone already has a PS3 or 360 is frankly stupid.

[Gamer1982]

CO was never gonna sell the kind of numbers on a Nintendo console as 360 and PS3 as the demographic is differnt.

[The Great Melon]

@RememberThe357

"Expecting multi-platform games to sell on Wii U when everyone already has a PS3 or 360 is frankly stupid."

This is so true. Ironically, the multi-platform games that Nintendo have always wanted won't get them anywhere on the Wii U. Until the PS4 or NeXtbox is released Nintendo is competing with the PS3 and Xbox 360, and there is little reason to invest in the Nintendo's system when everyone already owns a system of similar power from their competitors. They need exclusives, not multiplatform titles, now more than ever.

I think it would be in Nintendo's favor for Sony and Microsoft to release their consoles sooner rather than later. Nintendo can't compete with this generation -- they can only compete with the next.

[Mounce]

That's because any Third-party developer who thinks that just because the Wii market was big, means that their game will sell big are just kidding themselves....

Nintendo Fans and fanboys buy Nintendo hardware for NINTENDO games, this has been proven time and time again, Sony and Microsoft consoles are bought for their own exclusives AND the PS3/360 'Exclusives' which may or may not be multiplatform with eachother, but simply exclude the Wii and now the Wii U.

[Nitrowolf2]

Zombie U maybe XD
either that or COD

[3-4-5]

I don't care if this guy is " in the industry ", he obviously isn't as smart as he thinks he is.

For the "game" to sell Millions...it would have had to literally ship with every console.

It's an ignorant expectation and he is just jumping on the bandwagon.

By E3, the Nintendo is dying stuff will go away a bit and the focus will be hopefully more positive for all 3 Major gaming companies.

[bicfitness]

Actually, having a smaller catalogue to compete against can work to the benefit of a game. Look at AC Vita, sold 600K on like 5 million systems. That's almost a 20% penetration rate.

[JP1369]

Who are you to question this person's intelligence when you can't even be bothered to read the article and see that said game was expected to sell millions "over time"?

Edit: Curious to know why you decided to put quotes around "game". Do you think that it wasn't, in fact, a game that undersold but some other product like a lamp or a pair of shoes?

[3-4-5]

He should know better than to think a certain game would sell with almost every system.

[JP1369]

Wow, you have totally missed the point. He says that they expected it to sell millions over time which obviously (to most of us at least) means over a period of time further into the future than the launch window when many more consoles would have been sold. He's obviously written off those chances with the numbers being as abysmal as they currently are.
I can't believe the language and concept seem to be beyond your reach. That being the case, you have no reason to ever bring the intellectual capabilities of anyone into question. In fact, I'd recommend that you refrain from commenting at all.

[RememberThe357]

No clue why your getting so many disagrees, you said what everyone else has been saying. Probably because you are screaming "DOOM!" about the Wii U. I bubbled you up to off-set the fanboyism.

[KrisButtar]

I was thinkIng of batman

[Tei777]

For any game to sell "millions" on the system it would have to have a 100% attach seeing as theer are only 3m consoles out there. Not only that but based on reviews, no wii U exclusive game is deserving of such a high attachment rate.

Edit: Also I hope these devs realise that a lot of Wii U early adopters are core gamers and so probably have a 360/ps3 as well. This is why games like assassins creed arriving 3 weeks later on the wii U essentially negates any possibility of it selling huge numbers.

[OmegaSlayer]

I think Ubisoft felt really burned with ZombiU and that's why Rayman jumped to multiplat.
ZombiU is an exclusive AAA title and sold poorly.
Exclusive titles are expected to sell load even if they're not top quality (like Motorstorm and Resistance on PS3) because early adopters are expected to purchase titles not available on other platforms.

That said...I expected it because Nintendo fans buy Nintendo consoles only for exclusives, that's the story that goes on from Nintendo 64 up to today.

[3-4-5]

COD didn't cost millions to make. It was already made and then ported to Wii U with some additions tacked on.

doing that doesn't cost nearly as much as making a game from ground up.

Sounds like a drama queen reported this.

[phantomexe]

It could be AC3 but in all fairness alot of the games the WiiU got were ports that had already launched on ps3 or xbox. ZombiU isn't a great game but it did sell well.

[danny818]

Debs should learn multiplats dont sell alot on a Nintendo console

[ProjectVulcan]

She really should, Debbie is a bit thick sometimes.

[tehpees3]

Are third parties really becoming so stupid these days? Vita gets off to a slow start so it is a flop. Wii U gets off to a slow start so it is a flop.

I cannot understand why. Maybe because Wii U games are ports of older games? Maybe because the Declassified game you put on Vita sucked?

Capcom are happy with Monster Hunter on Wii U. So clearly Wii U can't be doing that badly.

Give the systems some time for crying out loud. Seems every system is an instant flop these days.

[TongkatAli]

I can tell you for sure COD Vita sold more games then COD Wii U. Activision hasn't complanied about the Vita.

[-Alpha]

Yeah, but just look at the VITA version. It's clear that they didn't set high expectations for that game to begin with.

[fei-hung]

COD Vita wasn't made by Activision. Sony was forked the bill and Nhilistic made the game. Activision probably got paid by Sony for use of their IP per sale.

Since it didn't cost Activision anything, there is no reason for them to complain.

I don't think it's any MP that people are complaining over. Batman, AC3, COD have all made their money back and tons of profit on top. I don't think it would have cost millions to port to the WiiU and then Millions copies to be sold to break even.

I would go with ZombieU as it has been made from the ground up for the WiiU as an Exclusive, had a big marketing campaign and it has only sold just over 320k to date. DmC with all the backlash has sold more and Anarchy Reigns has only sold 100k less with next to no marketing.

Considering how much Ubisofts was backing and promoting the WiiU since its announcement and praising it, compared to how much the console and game have sold, it must be a little disappointing. Possibly why Rayman Legends has been delayed and gone multiplat.

[juandren]

fei-hung: Activision didn't "make" Black Ops 2 on any platform. Or any Call of Duty for that matter. They are just the publisher. Point 1. Point 2 - they were still the publishers for the Vita version. Your comment = epic fail

[CouldHaveYelledUiiW]

In truth, once Monster Hunters drops WiiU will be 2nd on the Hardware Charts in Japan. --Another spike with Dragon Quest X.

With the US, I'm not sure what (one) game could do that for Nintendo, unless it is a casual title.

The problem with FPS is that many of the players have communities set-up on their current consoles. They may be drawn back to an Online FPS because all of their friends are on the Server. --
WiiU's Community is young, I hear good things about it; but it would be a hard switch if everyone I knew was on Xbox Live.
--That is why they are being kind of ridiculous expecting a 3 month old console to sell like hotcakes and make hotcakes.

[Araceae]

Monster Hunter already came out in Japan. Ultimate (called 3G HD Version in Japan) was released on the WiiU last year. Monster Hunter 4 (for the 3DS) was suppose to be coming out in Japan around the same time everyone else is getting Ultimate. So those WiiU sales have already come and gone.

[CouldHaveYelledUiiW]

Right you are.

"The Wii U port is known in Japan as Monster Hunter 3G HD Ver., and was released on December 8, 2012 when the Wii U launched in Japan"

Capcom has so many versions and names it is hard to keep track.
But WiiU was 1st and 2nd during that time period.

I haven't played it yet on any Plat' waiting for the N.A. WiiU version to jump in.

[ozzywazzy]

"in truth"

There was literally none of that in your comment. Silly.

[CouldHaveYelledUiiW]

@ozzywazzy

In truth, once Monster Hunters drops WiiU will be 2nd on the Hardware Charts in Japan. --Another spike with Dragon Quest X.
>When I spoke of time- I was wrong.
But the truth is during the 2nd weeks of Monster Hunter's release in Japan- WiiU was 1st and then 2nd in Hardware Sales.

And then unless you see the future or have different Dragon Quest franchise sales facts... - the Dragon Quest X (truth) is yet to be proven.

So, Troll me when DQX drops.

[Venoxn4g]

and again a lot of forget how rocky PS3 start was, look at it now.. Wii U will be fine, some are predicting the whole console's cycle just based about few months sales, do those people at least finished school? its obvious, give new games, give some time and (I hope) things should recover

[zebramocha]

You can't really compare,the ps3 and wii came out one year after ther xbox 360,the wiiu came out because the wii sales were in decline and this gen lasted longer than expected,that's nintendeos fault for not having a plan just in case the wii flop or was successful.

[torchic]

if you actually read the article the devs always knew the PS3 would come back, however the do not feel the same way about Wii U.

[Thatguy-310]

Sony has a different demographic than Nintendo. Look at all the gens they competed against. The wii won because it made casual gaming mainstream on console but they don't have that to back them up this time around. Nintendo is back to the n64 and gamecube days. Yea ppl will buy their first part games but without third party and the casuals they can't compete with the next xbox and ps system.

[OmegaSlayer]

@tehpees3
They're not stupid, they invest lots of money/resources/time to make games.

If the sales don't pay off, they have to make cut on forthcoming products.
Lately we've seen how game studios can die easily, very easily, like THQ despite the very good quality of some of their products.
There is NEVER time to wait, especially for WiiU that is technically current gen and we're just one step for the real next gen.

That's why a crippled machine (like WiiU, mostly because it was released late) is bad for the industry, because it sucks money that could fund something else.

[FriedGoat]

I like Nintendo, but recently their quality has been lacking. The 3DS launch was terrible, I was waiting for games for a year and it seemed everything they released was rushed. Mario 3d land / mario kart all felt rushed and lacking in content.

I think we'll see the same thing here, Nintendo have done the exact same thing, no games for ages and then a bunch of rushed first party names.

[Theyellowflash30]

Fine by me, DICE just makes shooters anyway. How about making a unique Wii U game that isn't a port?

I'm sick of stupid a$$ third party companies that don't understand logistics. The console just launched, your games, like Black Ops and Mass Effect, were full price on Wii U but half or discounted for the PS3 and Xbox 360.

Most Wii U owners are multiplat gamers. If you want your games to sell, you can't low ball Wii U owners with less content than other versions, at a higher price.

EA sucks balls anyway. I don't even want to play their crap on the Xbox 360 or PS3. We all know EA and Nintendo have a shaky business relationship, we know they aren't going to support the Wii U. So i'm moving on.

[Lionalliance]

Ehhhh..... D.I.C.E as in the game developer show, not Dice the game developer, read the article before you make conclusions.

[TongkatAli]

Lol

[akaakaaka]

this ^

[BoNeSaW23]

You should really read the article if you think the D.I.C.E. Summit (Design, Innovate,
Communicate, Entertain) has anything to do with EA's Digital Illusions CE studio.

Also, your off-topic rant made me laugh BTW.

[Wintersun616]

I can't decide should I bubble him down for off topic or up for funny. :)

[Theyellowflash30]

Mybad on that one, but my message stays the same. EA has b*tched in the past about their performance on Wii U so I'm thinking they are in that group. I really don't see who else could have claimed they expected to sell millions and only sold a few thousand.

[kupomogli]

The EA hate train is about to leave. Alllll aboard!

Most of EA's games don't even sell millions on the PS360, so they're not going to just assume their games are going to sell millions on a console that doesn't even have a fanbase.

Like others had said, it's probably Zombie U because that game was supposed to be a system seller for core gamers.

[fei-hung]

Most EA games don't sell millions on ps3 and 360?

FIFA: 9million+
Battlefield 3: 12million+
Crysis 2: 2million+
Burnout paradise: 3million+
Need for speedMW: 2.3million+
Need for speed Shift: 4million+
Dead space: 3million+
Dead Space 2: 2.5million+
Medal of Honour: 5million+
Mass Effect 2: 4million+
Mass Effect 3: 3.7million+
Dante's Inferno: 2million+
Dragon Age: 4million+
Rock Band: 4million+

Granted not all their games sell like COD or FIFA but most break the million mark, and 3million mark if released as multiplatform titles.

[CouldHaveYelledUiiW]

"Pubs and devs never recoiled from PS3 like they seem to be with Wii U (though this is anecdotal). There was always the confidence that the numbers would get there over time with PS3. I’m not sensing that with Wii U."

Why is this because Trolls, Biased Game Journalist, and Analyst like Pachter matter... even when the stuff they are saying is illogical.

[FriedGoat]

Patcher is hardly illogical, what he says rings true, he is an investor, if he was wrong all the time he would be poor.

The wiiU is looking more and more like the Gamecube to me, something I might pick up when the Gen is over. That all depends if Nintendo start making good games again like on the Cube.

[EffectO]

Uhm,this not about Dice developer(battlefield,EA) but about Dice developers summit.Tons of other developers are there...

"Give the systems some time for crying out loud. Seems every system is an instant flop these days."

This may sound harsh,but how about you stop eating and paying bills for few months...

[Qrphe]

Blops didn't sell that poorly compared to the rest of the launch games but expecting it to sell millions was unrealistic to begin with.
However, given that they reference, "tens of thousands" I would assume it's something like Arkham City or Mass Effect.

[medziarz]

'IZ DOOMED CONFIRMED.

[hano]

Still not worried. Just recently bought a Wii U deluxe.

The sales will pick up when Nintendo starts to release their games and 3rd parties will want some of that pie.

The worst case scenario would be that the console will be like N64 This wasn't bad and some of the best fun I had was with that console. But Nintendo have more studios and can release more games so even if it's only Nintendo and a few Japanese companies making the games I would still be happy...that's why I bought the console in the first place, for its exclusives, not multiplatforms.

[WeAreLegion]

More studios than MS, but Sony has MANY more studios than either of them.

[SuperShyGuy]

since when does "MANY more" means the least?

MS has 21
http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

Nintendo has 18
http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

Sony has 12
http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

[chrismichaels04]

@Supershyguy....did you actually read the list of MS developers? Its the same studio broken up into multiple teams working on small games (usually casual titles for kinect). Most of those "studios" still havent even released a single game for Microsoft and are still classified as being in "untitled project" or "next gen project" mode. When people say Sony and Nintendo have more studios, they mean more studios that are actually already established with a long resume of known AAA franchises. Not listing small unknown developers for the sake of padding up numbers.

[jay2]

COD, simple as that

[Psn800]

Nintendo need to come up with something very fast and now !"

[topgeareasy]

I will just leave this here

http://uk.gamespot.com/foru...

[MultiConsoleGamer]

NeoGAF rumor coming only from one source.

You can't trust anything you read about Nintendo on that site.

[extermin8or]

I think the game mentioned must be AC3- that would explain ubisofts sudden shift with rayman origins etc... They ar worried that could happen if they leave it as exclusive.

[nosferatuzodd]

this is not good
please let nintendo be ok.

[wiiulee]

lol silly articles from nintendo haters..devs speak about cancelled games...all you mention was rayman legends being delayed...get a hold on your silly articles....wiiu is at close to 4 million units in 3 months...what devs are cancelling games..the system just came out...a fantastic system..and once the games hit.

[Xer0_SiN]

"a fantastic system" LOL. ok...if that helps you sleep at night. a fantastic system from nintendo would be the snes. look, we know you spend a lot of money on your wii u, and its only natural to get defensive when you know it was a bad decision; its ok, but dont go spouting off that non sense, its just not healthy. a fantastic system LOL...

[Drainage]

looks like a PS4 will be forced to accompany my Wii U for future AAA 3rd party games.

[Megaton]

Nintendo fans are a trip. Massive denial up in this thread. Go buy some software, help your overlord.

[blastcorp64]

You're mistaking them for Sony

[axisofweevils]

You're confusing us with Vita fans. If anyone's in denial, it's them.

"The Vita's only doing bad because it was designed for Western gamers! Wait until the USA release!"
"What? It sold badly there too? Wait till E3!"
"Wait till COD Black Ops Declassified!"
"What? COD had a 32% Metacritic? Well, You can't judge the Vita until the first holiday!"
"It's selling within expectations, even though Sony had to cut the original sales prediction by half!"
"Wait until E3 (again!)"

[Megaton]

You guys sound the same.

[DaPrintz]

Yeah if Vita launched with a new Mario game! Oh wait.....

[PirateThom]

How is this different from "wait for Zelda. Wait for Mario. Wait for x game and y event"?

It is exactly the same and deflecting to the Vita doesn't change the fact the Wii U is dying a death both at retail and in games.

[chrismichaels04]

funny how some bitter nintendo fans are the first ones bashing SONY on the Vita sales numbers...and yet those same bitter people are being offended that their "almighty" WiiU is now in the fire. To you bitter Nintendo fans, dont worry about the Vita...The Vita isnt the system with exclusive games jumping ship and going multiplatform. I guess what goes around, comes around.

[OmegaSlayer]

Yup, Vita fans are in denial, but that doesn't change anything about Nintendo fans.

As a Sony fanboy I tell you that Sony shouldn't have ever release an handheld, no PSP, no Vita, because in my opinion portable gaming is good only for very casual games like the ones on appStore.

[stuna1]

From the looks of it sony isn't the only ones cutting sales predictions! And the things that you claim the sony fans did, didn't the nintendo fans do the same thing!?!

The double standards have got to go! Wouldn't a fanboy called by any other name, still be considered a fanboy?

[N4g_null]

No one cares about vita sales. If you like it you buy it. The same rings true for the wiiu. I heard about dice yet gdc is coming also. Seriously once the real games start coming and a Mario bros that has new game play and art.

I mean the only reason for low sales are games we already played or the people who would buy it don't have the cash. I'm really curious about the other twos prices. Could the money just not be there? Or are the games just not a big enough draw? This is why sonys hype makes them do so much better. Nintendo needs more hype.

[Outside_ofthe_Box]

Didn't you know that you are only allowed to say that Sony fans are in denial on N4G?

--Oops, sorry I just realized that you are only allowed to make a generalization about the users here on N4G only if it paints Sony fans in a negative light.

--Ooops, oh wait, that was another generalization wasn't it... I think I should stop talking now..

lol man, with that said I'm not really seeing the denial you are talking about. Most here are either trying to figure out which games they are referring to in terms of "should be selling millions" or giving legitimate explanations on how one could expect a game to sell millions on a platform with only 3 million in the wild. Such a feat would require an incredibly and perhaps record breaking attach rate.

[stragomccloud]

how could they expect to sell millions on a platform that only has a 3 million unnatural base. They'd need a1/3 attach rate at least,.and that's just unreasonable. That said 10s of thousands isn't very good at all.

[ThaBlackBaron]

This is a load of BS lol Have ppl forgot we have a 3rd party direct incoming?

[stuna1]

At this pace it looks like Zombie U will be making a appearance on the other systems sooner than I forecasted!

[wiium64]

what games? what were they, where's the proof, we need names of actual titles please, and no one talked about these so called cancelled games until now? who was the developer, microsoft or sony? i will believe this story, when i see actual developers tell specific titles that were cancelled, until then this is another lie trying to hurt nintendo, what garbage.

[DomceM]

i wish nintendo came back to NES days glory... Whats wrong with being at least somewhat competitive in the graphics department or cutting edge? Whats with all of the gimmicks. No need to reinvent the wheel nintendo.

I wanted a nintendo console this gen. Now im prolly going with PS4. Pc as well of course, cant do w/o shooters.

still... NES is my favorite gamebox of all time.

[Yodagamer]

Let's be honest alot of these "third party" games have been very lazy ports, why buy a new version when the other version are cheaper/better optimized and have more people online. You need to give people a reason to buy it on wii u, no developer other than sega (5th player in multiplayer on sega allstar racing), ubisoft (zombiu), and indie games have tried as much as they should have. Those games have sold well with S&sasr selling a forth of the total sales (which is pretty impressive considering the user base), zombiu sold pretty well, and i'm sure digital has been pretty well.

[GoldenElf]

So, a no-name developer from New Zealand who has not had ANY hits, ever, comes out and says he has some kind of ultimate data from an un-named game that "someone" assumed would sell millions of copies but only sold tens of thousands?

It seems to me from speaking to developers (I interview people for a living), there are ZERO complaints about Wii U development.

Sales, on the other hand, aren't 100% Nintendo's problem. If you look at Call of Duty: Black Ops 2, Activision never mentioned Wii U in ANY of its advertising. And when Wii U was released, they ran ZERO commercials about it, or its special Wii U exclusive features.

Even now you have to hunt on its website for references to the Wii U version.

Obviously, Nintendo can't hack into Activison's marketing plans and force them to make a song and dance about the Wii U version, so how can you blame Nintendo for not selling COD on Wii U? Why is it up to them to advertise it?

In fact, you could argue that Nintendo do MORE advertising than Xbox 360, and certainly PlayStation 3. Miiverse is basically a huge, free ad resource for publishers. Who knows, maybe Nintendo ask for money to get Miiverse communities on the front page? Even if that's not the case, Miiverse is still there, attracting people over to check out games they dont own. Xbox might feature DLC on the dashboard, PlayStation has nothing...

Wii U's problem is mostly media, though. Seems like commercial gaming news websites HATE Wii U for some reason. Everyone I know that owns one, loves it. Could there be more games? Sure. But there's already over 60 and it has been on sale for less than 3 months.

[DivineAssault]

Cant blame em. Why stay back in a time capsule when there is new hardware to develop for.. Im sure most of em have dev kits by now so why would they start new projects on inferior tech?

[Old McGroin]

Is there any way of finding out how software sales for launch window games went for the 360 and PS3 as a comparison? Did the launch window games for those consoles sell millions or is this just another doom and gloom article about the Wii U just for the sake of it?

[TemplarDante]

Next Gen is when Sony and Microsoft come to the table.
I LOL at what EA said about the Wii U to their investers. They said even if certain companies call their systems next gen, we're still waiting for Gen 4.
I also LOL at the fact the Link vs Spider tech demo Nintendo had running was using the early mock up Wii U that had a HD4850. and the final retail system has a HD4650. We wont see gfx like that from the Wii U. All it has going for it is 1st party exclusives. Even when Battlefield 4 is announced, its going to get the PS360 port rather than a ground up next gen PC, PS Orbis and Durango version.

[NYC_Gamer]

Nintendo fans only support first party exclusives like Mario and the others..Wii-U is a waste of time for third party studios..

[Deku-Johnny]

You see it says about games being cancelled for the Wii U like it's the only platform to have games promised around release that never see the light of day. Wii/PS3/360 all had games that were cancelled, PS4 and 720 will have launch games cancelled. It happens for various reasons whether the console does well or not.

[MacDonagh]

What's this? Sequels to established franchises are not selling millions as expected on a new console without an established userbase or a userbase that has already bought them for different consoles?

Colour me surprised./s

A game that is a sequel to an established franchise shouldn't be expected to sell millions to a fanbase that never had them in the first place. That's a load of frittata.

[skyrimer]

I think maybe the 3ds is killing the WiiU.

Nintendo, after worrying sales of 3ds, cut its price by a huge $80, making everyone that trusted Nintendo and purchased it on day one look stupid.

So now, people may be expecting a new 3ds like price cut now that WiiU is not selling too well, just like 3ds did early on, and so making early adopters think twice.