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If Microsoft Entered The Console Business To Stop Sony, They Failed

A former Microsoft employee said that Microsoft’s Xbox was created in order to stop Sony’s dominating presence in the living room. They failed to do so.

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Dylila4093d ago

they have failed since the inception of the idea.

EVILDEAD3604093d ago

'This former employee, Joachim Kempin, expressed that Microsoft’s sole purpose for entering the console business was to diminish Sony’s presence in the living room and to enhance consumer’s wants for a more Microsoft-branded household.'

They actually succeeded.

The former exec never said they were going to STOP Sony, it said 'diminish' sony's presence in the living room.

In that regard if you use the fact that the 360 gained an equal grip on the marketshare where Sony once dominated last gen, then mission accomplished.

If you would have predicted this at the beginning of the gen then you would have been a certified psychic. No one could have predicted what happened this gen.

Is Sony still a huge force in the biz? Absolutely. No question

Did MS gain huge ground on both Sony and Nintendo? Absolutely.

Far from a failure.

Evil

aCasualGamer4093d ago

If you enter an industry with the main goal of taking out the competition you will fail. You have to focus on what you bring to the table and try to improve on that.

This mentality is seen throughout all competitive sports aswell. Coaches who focus too much on how to take out the opposite team end up losing because of unforeseen tactics or strategies. You have to focus on what your team is doing and how you can become invincible.

You focus too much on the competitor and you loose track on what made you great in the beginning. With that said, they still have to keep an eye on what the competitors are doing.

darthv724093d ago (Edited 4093d ago )

What was sony's entering the console business to do? Uhhh stop the dominance of Nintendo maybe??? NO! it was about $$$.

Keep in mind that sony was making games for both nintendo and sega. Their deal of making the cd drive for the snes fell through so they got the idea to make a system of their own.

MS developed the os for the DC and sega pulled the plug but that didnt stop MS from taking the idea of an online enabled system and making it work for them.

It is stupid to try and do these conspiracy theory things. The key reason for any company to enter into the gaming market is MONEY. Pure and simple. It is like many other industries where you think you can make a buck. They failed their first time out but they did a hell of a job on their 2nd run.

in fact, Sega had similar results. Their master system didnt fare too well but their 2nd outing with the Genesis was what made them a bigger household name than before.

It wasnt about stopping any dominance...its about $$$$$. Nothing more nothing less.

IAMERROR4093d ago (Edited 4093d ago )

this article failed, MS set out to be THE thing in the living room and succeeded to a certain extent. MS is way ahead of Sony in the largest gaming market and you think that's a fail? This just comes off as some sour fanboy who has to bring up irrelevant things like Ads in the article. lol

dafegamer4093d ago

by your logic NA=world, sorry dude but MS only dominates in NA and UK. Worldwide ps3 is the leading homeconsole, and thats a fact

omi25p4093d ago

The failed to completely shut sony out of the industry.

But they did become as large as sony in the market, Which is no small task.

psp2roundup4093d ago

War ain't over yet! But they've lost one, drawn one so its not looking good.

Captain Tuttle4093d ago (Edited 4093d ago )

Sony are the only ones who "failed", hemorrhaging market share to Nintendo and, to a much lesser extent, MS.

Next gen will be interesting, the latest rumors have momentum on Sony's side

AztecFalcon4093d ago

And yet look how much they've come back from a bad launch. I wouldn't call Sony's 3rd Gen a failure at all.

Captain Tuttle4093d ago (Edited 4093d ago )

Oh I agree, they've recovered nicely although they had to burn through a pile of money to do it. Still, quite the feat and Kaz deserves all of the credit imo. It's also good to see that they seemed to have learned the lessons of this current gen and the PS3 launch.

Next gen will be very different for Sony, they're much more focused and disciplined this time. MS won't have such an easy time of it. Again, credit goes to Kaz.

Godchild10204093d ago

They both failed. One lost Market Share this Gen to the other that had little to no market Share last Gen. And the other failed to stop a company that is already in the door. If anything Microsoft helped Sony market the PS3 better with the no cost online play.

It sad to hear that is the reason that came into the console business, I thought it would have been to give consumers a different gaming experience to what their competitors were giving consumers.

Captain Tuttle4093d ago

"It sad to hear that is the reason that came into the console business, I thought it would have been to give consumers a different gaming experience to what their competitors were giving consumers."

Sony got into it to destroy Sega and Nintendo, games are just a means to an end. It's all business.

Godchild10204093d ago

Thanks Captain Turtle for that info, I didnt know that. I guess you can say Sony won half the battle when they entered the console business.

miyamoto4093d ago (Edited 4093d ago )

M$ goal, though very obvious a long time ago, are really very disappointing.

I knew they were in video games for all the wrong reasons.

For a $200+ billion dollar company unable to stop a $14 B struggling company is indeed a revelation but hardly a surprise given the wrong motives.

M$ motives has failed and never worked as of late on any endeavor they make. Be it consoles, PC, smartphones, tablets, laptops, search engines.

The only M$ goal that seems no one can stop is control and depopulation of the earth via chemtrails, geo-engineering, weather control, tampering with nature, genetically modified organisms, and the likes.

Any sane person would do well not to support this company.

miyamoto4093d ago

Contrary to popular belief Sony never wanted to stop Nintendo or Sega.

Sony entered the video game industry as partners of Nintendo (with the SNES sound chip) and Sega (with the Sega CD CR-ROM drive).

They also wanted to be partners to both Nintendo and Sega in order to push their CD-ROM technology for the next generation 32-bit consoles, but to no avail back then.

The full details are here:
http://www.sega-16.com/2006...

Despite the humiliation, Sony entered the gaming industry to pursue their vision of digital entertainment with their high capacity optical disc media as the the most practical catalyst of content.

Anyone can see how they push technology and how prolific they are in the sheer amount and variety of software content they publish month after month in contrast to M$.

NastyLeftHook04093d ago (Edited 4093d ago )

Well sony is a force that cannot be stopped, thats why the hottest game system is, was, and will be them. beating the competition in sales and (imo) games.

There quality is unmatched, whenever i visit friends/family all of the little kids want to play "littlebigplanet"

whenever i turn on my ps3, people always ask "its really free for all that?!" and i say..yes.

omi25p4093d ago

You realize sony have been close to bankruptcy several times the gen. They aren't the unstoppable force you think they are.

They just make good games that don't sell well.

SlyFoxC4093d ago (Edited 4093d ago )

you realize that sony and playtation fall under 2 different bank reports right....

sonys tv department is close to bankruptcy, playstation brand is doing fine

before you talk google the facts mate

and on a side not...

who the hell cares who will have better components in the end both systems will do the same thing... give games for gamers to play.....isnt that what gaming is all about? not which is faster or sexier? if you want faster go play on PC (which i also do) a console is made for the more mobile crowd...its easy to move around yet strong enough for the AWWWWWW sensation.

You are the Resistance

a true gamer to heart - SlyFoxC

Jakens4093d ago

"They just make good games that don't sell well"
It's been years since anyone has said that. I would agree.

Speaking only for myself, I believe that Sony has made good games with limited (in game) options.

Cocozero4093d ago

They took NA and the UK this gen, next gen they will take EU. They didnt stop Sony they just took all their marketshare.

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Microsoft Seemingly Closes Bethesda France

As part of its plans to cut 1,900 jobs, Microsoft has reportedly shut down operations at Bethesda France, letting go roughly 15 people

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Hereandthere3h ago

Microsoft should have left them stay 3rd party

GamerRN1h ago

If they are let go, they can be whatever they want. They ARE 3rd party now... 🤦

PassNextquestion3h ago(Edited 3h ago)

Bethesda France was made up of roughly 15 people... they couldn't of being doing much

Bethesda France mainly did publishing and marketing within the region

blacktiger1h ago

that's a shame for you to say that, i'm sure Elite loves hearing what you just said.

Profchaos3h ago(Edited 3h ago)

Bethesda France focused on publishing and marketing in the region. And 15 people lost their jobs as part of the closure.

I wonder if this is part of Microsoft's strategy to abandoned physical media or possibly gamepass advertising makes their roles redundant you don't need to market a game as hard when the majority of players get the game as part of a sub which already promoted upcoming games

Tacoboto3h ago

It's France too, there's a high likelihood only 1-2 people on the team even had an Xbox.

Profchaos2h ago

Possibly guven all the leaks we know the Xbox brand is really struggling in the region.

XiNatsuDragnel2h ago

Tbh Microsoft I think Bethesda being 3rd party same with Activision would probably more competitive than thus scenario imo

Profchaos23m ago(Edited 23m ago)

I think it would have been better for all parties really especially gamers

TheColbertinator1h ago

The recently purchased Activision French offices might take over all the licensing and marketing for Microsoft in France from now on.

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Sony Could Increase Your Game's Difficulty If It Sees You Complain About It

Sony has recently published a new patent that wants to dynamically handle the games' difficulty and gameplay based on the player's emotions.

jznrpg4h ago

This is something I might use. Sometimes I play some good games but they don’t have difficulty option and are a little too easy.

Profchaos4h ago

Souls games will be like that players struggling make it harder

PassNextquestion3h ago(Edited 3h ago)

I think if used correctly it could work well

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Xbox's Preservation Step Sets A Much-Needed Example, Especially For Nintendo

Hanzla from eXputer inquires: "If Xbox can care about preserving its games and legacy, what exactly is wrong with Nintendo, trying to kill game preservation single-handedly?"

purple10111d ago

Ahh yes the good old game preservation of saving all your games to a removable hhd on the Xbox 360, taking it round your mates house, setting up multiple tvs to
Be met with “save data corrupted, please re download”

Or how about removing 360 games
From the store
, download them now or else, and, better hope to god that save data doesn’t corrupt, or it’s lost for ever

Nice one ☝️

Zeref10d ago

It's better than what Nintendo and Playstation is doing. It might not be perfect but at least they are TRYING. Unlike the others.

DarXyde10d ago

Trying? Take off the blinders for a moment, mate.

1. A failure to preserve games is just that: a failure to preserve games. Don't try to sugarcoat it: NO ONE is doing it properly. Better than awful is nothing to write home about.

2. At the time of this comment, isn't it the case that you need an internet connection to play Xbox games even if you buy physical discs that are hardly in circulation anymore? I don't have a Series X and I can't verify, but I think that is correct. I'm fairly certain you can at least play PS5 games at version 1.0 (not much of a win really when many games require day one patches). I think Microsoft's all digital, licensing approach is by far more aggressive than anyone else's. They really try to push you to game pass where you lose your entire library by umm.... Skipping a month of payments.

I don't think anyone is doing it right whatsoever. Don't get me started on Nintendo, who goes after anyone looking to preserve their games better than they ever would with extreme litigation.

Don't be a simp for any of these companies. Get it together.

PhillyDonJawn10d ago (Edited 10d ago )

@DarX never speak on Xbox again. You lost all credibility with your internet connection comment. Smh you have 0 clue and misinformed yet speaking on something you don't no squat about.

Einhander197210d ago

What has Sony done exactly? You guys keep deflecting to Sony but I am not actually seeing any results, and ai am certain nothing that you can come up with even comes close to what Microsoft has done and what they have tried and failed to do, like tie all your disks to your account on xbone.

Microsoft removed their whole indie section when they moved to the xbone because they were going to only allow games on the service that came from a publisher, id@xbox started after xbone launched and it only exists because Sony embraced indie and Microsoft was forced to cancel their plans and reverse course.

And every single game that was part of games for windows live including disk games (I have gta 4 on disk that won't work) so hundreds of games that use that DRM no longer work unless the company themselves patched it out which of course very few did.

MrBaskerville10d ago

Not trying. Tried. they killed of the backcomp program years ago. They set something up again, but sounds like it's more of an attempt to save the current library on whatever they are planning next. With luck they save everything and more, but let's see. I could see them killing off parts of the OG xbox and 360 libraries. Can't imagine that they would allow us to play Forza 5-7 in the future.

With that said, I do like what they've done and really wish they could have done more.

shinoff218310d ago

Zeref

So killing off physical media is trying what exactly. Ms don't really give a fk if you think they do your kidding yourself.

Profchaos10d ago

They are not trying this team is established for forward compatability the team is. It interested in preserving Xbox or 360 games.

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isarai11d ago

Is that why Hellblade 2 is digital only?

Zeref10d ago

Just because it's digital only doesn't mean you can't preserve it. Just put it on an external and you have the exact same functionality of what a disc does.

MrNinosan10d ago

Guess you're trolling, but if you actually think that's how it works, I'd recommend buying some braincells.

mkis0079d ago (Edited 9d ago )

Volitile vs nonvolitile data. A disc will not corrupt either. A drive can be corrupted.

Einhander197211d ago

This is just a scammy PR move to distract from the fact they are going digital only and trying to push streaming and subscriptions only.

No gaming company has pushed harder to remove ownership than Microsoft.

Without discs there is no preservation, preservation can't be done by the rights holders it can only be done by the consumers, anything else is a lie.

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Einhander197211d ago

Anyone remember xblig which Microsoft removed their whole 360 indie section removing hundreds of games from people?

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Zeref10d ago

Do you know you can put your games on an external and preserve them that way? There are no benefits to discs. ZERO. Idk why some of you are still obsessed with them.

DarXyde10d ago

Because games like Persona 5 exist. It's STILL V1.00. On Playstation, that's a win because 1.00 is installed on the disc—no need to download anything.

If a game does not require any updates, it's all on the disc.

Extremely low bar in the modern era, of course. It's not much of a win by any stretch.

But for now, physical media does have a purpose, at least on Playstation.

Einhander197210d ago

That is factually not how game licensing works, try plugging your hard drive into someone else xbox, It's not going to work, and it won't work if the licensing servers ever go down.

Einhander197210d ago

Anyone remember games for windows live.

I have around a dozen games, some on Steam itself that will not work because Microsoft shut off the licensing servers.

BehindTheRows10d ago (Edited 10d ago )

I do. I STILL have games (Gears of War being the big one) I cannot access because Games for Windows LIVE is total garbage and no one has held Microsoft accountable.

Zeref10d ago (Edited 10d ago )

You don't have an Xbox apparently. Because you can 100 percent plug in your external and play games from it on any Xbox console lol. You just have to be logged in to prove ownership.

Chevalier10d ago

"You don't have an Xbox apparently. Because you can 100 percent plug in your external and play games from it on any Xbox console lol. You just have to be logged in to prove ownership."

Damn how many times do people got to explain your idiocy to you? You can take a copy of Persona 5 like someone used as an example and play that game on ANY console WITHOUT logging in which means I can lend the game to a friend without internet and they can play my game. Can you lend your hard drive to anyone without logging in for them to play? NOPE. That is a huge difference and if you think otherwise then sorry you're an idiot.

Tacoboto10d ago

"No gaming company has pushed harder to remove ownership than Microsoft."

Ubisoft is literally erasing games people bought from their libraries... My PS1-3 discs are useless on modern hardware. Nintendo's re-published and resold almost their entire Wii U library, and the eShop is completely dead with no BC mechanism in the Switch software. Microsoft publishes everything they make today day one on Steam and Xbox/Windows. Sony only brings to PC the titles they think you might want some years later and Nintendo won't even design a functional long-lasting joystick.

You're absolutely trolling and not serious if you think Microsoft today is the worst offender.

shinoff218310d ago

Yay steam

Not everyone fks with computers though. The disc is still the best way as a console player. Period.

Tacoboto10d ago

How do Sony and Nintendo feel about these discs from 2001-2013?

Don't be stupid, you know Xbox is the best at this today.

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Hofstaderman10d ago

Nobody wants this. Sales or the lack of it in the case of XBOX is very telling. I wonder how the adorably all digital series X will fare. Adorably dismal perhaps?

crazyCoconuts10d ago

Only time will tell, but for from someone like me suspecting that Xbox is trying to gracefully exit the console market, that "forward compatibility" team is trying to get Xbox games playing on Windows PCs. I mean, it's nice that they're not planning on exiting with a "enjoy your games while the hardware still works" message, so that's nice. They still have a brand to protect via Microsoft so probably feel obligated to have a better exit strategy.

Xeofate10d ago (Edited 10d ago )

That is not their plan, their plan is to transfer users accounts to the cloud.

Phil Spencer himself said as much a few months back, plans could have changed but I think people are reading way too much into one statement where Phil said he would allow Epic on xbox because he wants to be able to sell xbox games directly on other platforms. Aka, instead of selling Sea of Thives through PSN he wants to have an xbox store to sell his games on PlayStation without giving PlayStation any money.

Again, it's extremely unlikely that Phil plans to put PC on xbox and licensing would prevent them from just giving out other publishers games purchased on xbox copies of thier games on PC, Microsoft does not own their games.

crazyCoconuts9d ago

The thing that doesn't align with the cloud strategy is the giving up on exclusives. You'd still need strong exclusives for cloud streaming - it's still a "platform" , just with a lower upfront hardware investment. I feel like they've learned what PS learned with PSNow long ago. We're not ready to stream games and it's only gonna lose them money to try at this point

FinalFantasyFanatic9d ago

I would love that, I'd buy up some of the Xbox games if they could run on PC, like the Rare Replay, Lost Odyssey and Dead or Alive Ultimate, probably a pipe dream though.

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