Pachter: PS4 will feature "hyperrealistic games" and "render games at 240fps"

“They’ll be able to put a lot more characters on the screen and allow for hyperrealistic games,” Pachter said.

Sony’s new console will feature graphics chips developed by Advanced Micro Devices Inc. and processors capable of rendering games at 240 frames per second, Pachter said. Current-generation games typically render at 30 or 60 frames per second. As with past model changes, Sony will continue to produce and sell the almost 7-year-old PlayStation 3.

[Walker]

This is really trolling, lol. Awesome trolling, but trolling.

[Dylila]

i cant wait for the ps4. the official specs and pictures of the system with some game trailers will be amazing.

[BLAKHOODe]

Yea, and that's only the beginning. Imagine what we'll be seeing 2, 4, 6 years into the consoles lifespan. Amazing times ahead!

[Deku-Johnny]

Don't get too excited, Sony have said themselves that the PS4 won't be a massive leap from last gen consoles.

[gaffyh]

I don't really have a problem with Pachter because most of the time he is quite logical, but this is just stupid. Guman's can barely see moving images above 30fps, 240fps is a completely redundant amount of frames, that will increase the price of development by up to 8 times, needlessly. 60fps is more than enough.

[Anon1974]

Some have cautioned that we wouldn't see a huge leap in games from this generation to the next, but it has nothing to do with the hardware and everything to do with development resources. Pushing new hardware takes a tremendous amount of time, money and talent and these resources are limited. These are the bottlenecks that games face right now that hold them back, it's not the hardware, and new hardware isn't going to miraculously solve the already tremendous resource strain on developers to delivery AAA titles.

That being said, there's no reason why the hardware wouldn't be powerful enough to pull it off. You can put a school bus driver behind the wheel of a Formula 1 car but chances are they aren't going to win any races. That's not the car's fault.

[guitarded77]

@ Deku-Johnny

Sony are right... The modern trend in computer architecture is that we are reaching a plateau of sorts with how many switches can we have in a chip due to heat produced from more and more circuits. For a long time we have used Moore's Law as the standard upon which technology grows. We are in a new position in the way architects design machines.

Anyway, I could go into detail as to why this makes jumps from generation to generation less evident, but I'm already boring myself. Anyway, we will see a significant jump in technical performance, but not the visual jump we saw from say SNES to N64. I have no doubts the visuals will be well sharper, and textures more detailed, but the AVERAGE consumer won't really see a HUGE difference. Pixel and frame rate counters will notice a significant difference though.

I can't wait for the 20th... I'm all giddy... my wife keeps slapping me upside the head and tells me to "stop acting like a _____... it's just a video game machine". Just kidding... but I am excited.

[nukeitall]

I can't wait to see the reveal also, but 240fps is completely utterly ridiculous.

Sony won't shoot themselves in the foot with that kind of hardware, which would cost way more than $600. Sony wouldn't be competitive let alone the fact that 240fps is completely useless to gamers.

I'm almost certain that quote must have been taken out of context! Pachter tend to make pretty logical, but obvious statements and not outlandish like this.

@darkride66:

"That being said, there's no reason why the hardware wouldn't be powerful enough to pull it off."

Well "Mr. Finance", why don't you tell us about the finances of such a move and how great that will be on Sony's overall business strategy and their own financial situation?

[GribbleGrunger]

Great analogy there Darkride66, and I agree with the points you've made

[AzaziL]

Want a preview of next gen, look no further than Far Cry 3 maxed out on PC.

[Dee_91]

@Deku-Johnny "won't be a massive leap from last gen consoles. "
where did they say that ?
I read "wont be as big as the leap from ps2 to ps3"

[badz149]

this just shows how minimal Pachter's technical knowledge is! 240fps? sure...if games are rendered at 240p!

[Anon1974]

nukeitall said, "Well "Mr. Finance", why don't you tell us about the finances of such a move and how great that will be on Sony's overall business strategy."

I'll bite. How the hell would I know? We don't know any details about the product. Besides, I've been saying for the longest time that the strategy of selling consoles at a loss initially only works if they make up for it further down the road. If they don't make it back when it's all said and done, something needs to change. It's not rocket science. Personally, I worry for Sony entering another product cycle and spending billions to develop a product when the PS3 doesn't even seem like it'll be able to break even when it's all said and done. I've also never denied that for years now, Sony has been in rough financial shape. You'll never find a post from me where I claim otherwise. They've made strides towards moving back to profitability but there still have a long way to go.

That being said, if they want to keep the Playstation brand relevant they need to act before Microsoft or Nintendo's efforts further lose them market share that will then be a struggle to get back, so the timing may be beneficial in the long run. But it's pointless to speculate at this stage of the game because we have no idea what the PS4 is, what it will cost, what it will sell at, when it will launch, how quickly it will catch on, etc, etc..

Just reading your comment, it seems to me you've invented some sort of imaginary position that I supposedly have on Sony's finances. Rather than making up arguments or hypothetical scenarios that you think I believe in, why not stick to making counter points against things I've actually said? I've never claimed to be any type of financial expert. My decade in the brokerage industry and my FMA designation make me qualified to manage investments and build long term financial plans, but I'm no business strategy expert and have never claimed to be. I've poured over thousands of reports and financials over the years to be in a better position to advise my clients, but that doesn't mean I'm any kind of expert. In the brokerage industry, you rely on the opinions of analysts who're paid to make those judgement calls, and if they couldn't do their job they wouldn't last.

Not sure why you're even bringing up the financial side of things. If I didn't know better, it would seem that you're just trolling.

[Apex13]

The PS3 had awesome specs and where did that get it?

you guys seem to forget about content, game play and price.

How many versions had to come out before they got anything right?

[lfclee]

Hyper realistic with an Amd 7670 graphics card ? Don't think so !

[isyourhouseonfire]

The best part is you can take the PS4's accomplishments and double them to see what the next XBOX will be delivering.

[Blacktric]

If I was the guy who's running the company who hired this idiot, I'd have fired him years ago. How the hell is this guy still considered as an "analyst"?

[jukins]

Not too many ppk will stay employed as an analyst if they are constantly wrong especially working for the kind of place patcher does. Just because you don't agree doesn't make him wrong. Remember Jes working for one of the top brokerage firms and well we're not...

[Th3 Chr0nic]

The article is from JapanTimes. I doubt patcher even said any of it. A Japanese site/paper writing about Sony.... yea no bias there

[user3915800]

He hit the ball out of the prak with this one, good job Pachter you are king of nothing lol... 240FPS not even the most super comercials pc can do, but I like the way you think on this one lol...

[zebramocha]

@niv It can but the game would be very simple in terms of geometry,texture and effects.

[kneon]

I seem to recall the last PC I built clocking in around 200fps for some games. But what's the point of such super high frame rates? I'd rather that extra horsepower were used for something else.

[REALgamer]

Older games can hit 240fps, but NO-ONE is able to actually see that, since regular PC monitors have a refresh rate of 60hz (fps) and 3D ones have 120hz.

What's the point of rendering 4 times the number of frames that can actually be displayed by a screen?

Oh, and for anyone wondering, HDMI has a maximum of 720p @ 120hz, or 1080p @ 60hz. The cables can't even work with higher than that.

This is just ridiculous.

[DeadlyFire]

This is not impossible at all if he is talking about upscaled PS3 games on the PS4 having up to 240 frames on the new hardware.

PS4 games I do not believe possible at such framerates with new game engines, but games with current gen/old game engines. Could easily see 200 fps solid performance. Will we see it. Maybe a little, but honestly in most cases your hardware is locked at 60 hertz or so. That is likely max you will see. It makes a heck of a difference to some games though to see that.

Take a game like Mass Effect 3 for example. PC version gets up to 145 frames with high end AMD 7970 card @ 1680x1050 resolution. Now if you consider most PS3/XB360 games have a resolution of 720 or less. We could easily see performance up to 240 fps for PS3 games and small games.
http://www.techspot.com/rev...

Is it beneficial to us? In some poorly optimized games yes it is. Very much so. As any game from PS3 era would run at a solid 30-60+ fps no matter what. :)

[Abdou23]

I need some of whats this guy is smocking

[dubt72]

It looks like you're already "smocking" something, lol. But yes, Pachter is a moron.

[Abdou23]

Lol, smoking.

[edwoods]

Can someone help me understand this. I thought the human brain could only take in close to 60-70 fps visually. I thought I remember reading that somewhere. Also wouldn't the higher 240 fps actually make things appear slow. I thought thats how people capture things like bullets in slow motion etc, thru higher frames. I always thought 30 fps was ok but the once u got to 60 fps, that was as smooth as it gets, but after 60 fps, it start to be too much and creates the slow effect.

[BitbyDeath]

Hyper Realism might sound a bit crazy but if Quantic Dream can pull this off on current hardware it'll be amazing to see what they can do with the PS4.

http://blogs-images.forbes....

[landog]

cool bullshot, the real games they have made look worse than this in game;

http://www.playstationeupho...

still nice, and its been touched up becasue all the jaggies are gone, in the real game the windows are ALIVE with artifacts...lol.. NOTHING like that screen you put up...lol....there is NOTHING on ps3 that looks even remotely close to that....that screen you posted will not even be achievable with ps4's mid-range 3 year old pc specs, unless that is all that is rendered, once you have backrounds, ai, physics, other character models, in game charachters like that are only possible on pc

[turgore]

I believe hyper realism. But 240fps ? Give me a break. Maybe PSN games.

[sonic989]

@landog

oh PC is this PC is that everybody is getting sick of it
btw those specs were rumored noooooooot offfffffffffffficial get it people

[USEYOURFIST]

@Landog your comparing the screen with a different game that was made years before Beyond, i dont see how thats logical or fair, you would have to wait for a 'proper' in game shot of beyond to judge

[BitbyDeath]

@landog, Heavy Rain is 3 years old.
Beyond is releasing this year, of course it is going to look better-

http://cdn.inthegame.nl/wp-...

[GraveLord]

PS4 is gonna be awesome. Suck it haterz.

[zerocrossing]

I wish patcher would just shut the hell up sometimes...

[imdaboss1]

Patcher is right he knows everything. PS4 exclusive games will take advantage of the hardware ..I am so HYPED up right now

[user3915800]

Pachter do come out as an individual that has to have his name in the gaming comunity, and I belief his able to come up with great adviced for stock holders. However, I believe him to be awkward and intelligent on his own rights, he has poor common sense and definately not wised, but as in this set up, I like his sense of humor.

[Ritsujun]

*does
*community
*believe
*he's
*definitely

[SITH]

^^^^Hahaha^^^^

[Mounce]

Dude, I still can't wait for PS7, the console that enters your mind and warps your reality into a gaming world.... Hoe damn I can see the media reacting to it now! LOL

In mother Playstation 7, shooting hookers NOW gives you POINTS! Online-Reality Leaderboards for most hookers killed! ALSO! Don't forget the introduction of RL Achievements, some notable ones being "Woke up for the 69th time" or "Went to work on time!" - "Urinated 5000 times!" GOLD TROPHY!!!

[Tsar4ever01]

(SIGH) People keep expanding the HYPE BUBBLE, and when it burst, people's hopes will be shattered cuz they keep hyping rumors to the point of the impossible. I wish people will just shut the fuck up and just wait for the official statements from Sony.

[Mounce]

Hype trains/bubbles are fun to join for the sake of just joining the excitement. To those that let it get to their heads and emotions are the one that 'we' later on shoot the flak cannons at for being irrational, which continues the cycle of fanboys and whatever else is illogical of people who just don't think realistically :DDD!

[morkendo23]

RUMORS FOR GAMERS there you have it.

let patcher spew his rumor= trolling

[solar]

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hahahaha.....now that is rich.

the ps3 still hasnt done 4D. riiiiiiiiidge racer!!

[Syntax-Error]

I'm sure people thought the same when we went from 60hz to 240hz on TV's

[DigitalSmoke]

Pachter should be ignored, he doesnt know anything regarding games or the industry.
He's a money man trying to make a name for himself in the game scene, and as a jewish reporter, the media suport is massive.
Wile us gamers look at he's flawed expectations and analasys over and over and over.

[parkerpeters]

Those are some outrageous claims. But who knows. I don't see games rendering that well unless they are extremely outdated software on this new hardware.

[awi5951]

Those are outrageous claims but sony hasnt started there outrageous marketing yet. Just remember all the crazy crap they said about what the PS2 and PS3 could do before launch.

[wishingW3L]

let's just focus on realistic goals better. 1080p/60frames and good art-style.

[tubers]

I'll be a bit more realistic:

Games with more geometry, more and better physics, more and better AI, larger expanse and draw distances and much much more effects..

@ 768p/30 fps with the good AA filters.

[PersonMan]

Marcus. Every gen has been 30fps and below for the most part. Developers can push more effects and geometry with double the render time.

Plus, with controllers, you don't feel like 30fps difference as much as with a mouse.

[pr0t0typeknuckles]

240fps, is this ninja cereal, XD, i love playstation but lets be serious, 240fps on a console,hyper realistic graphics,hes either trolling or he smoking some amazing weed.

[FanMan]

240 fps would be complete overkill. pretty sure the human eye mayes out at like 60-80 fps. after that it wont look any different to us

[jmc8888]

More like 500-600 FPS.

Biggest lie of the internet.

Does it involve Richard Gere and gerbils?

Or

The human eye only sees.....

By far and away the human eye 'sees' far far more than 60-80 fps.

http://www.100fps.com/how_m...

Try more like 500FPS, and maybe more depending on what 'threshold' seeing is.

Oh and 1080p is 'noticable' far below 40 or so inches. (another lame....can't notice X resolution below X inches screen)

You've been conned.

That said Pachter is smoking crack if he thinks new games will run 240 FPS.

Far more powerful PC's don't render new games that high.

[Qrphe]

They said a similar thing about the PS3 and look where that took us. 1080p 30fps will be a next-gen standard.

[remanutd55]

I would be happy with 1080p/60fps

[gameseveryday]

This is so ridiculous. The Human eye cannot process anything above 60FPS. Even if the PS4 could do 20000000 fps, it probably won't make any difference to the user experience.

[Blacktric]

"The Human eye cannot process anything above 60FPS."

Please tell me you were trying to troll.

Please.

[INehalemEXI]

my eye processed 240 fps once. saw sumn online they called it HD porn.

[sourav93]

Beat me to it. Though you're reply is funnier, I have to say.

[Campy da Camper]

@inehalem...that was 240 Faps Per Minute.

[pandehz]

Once in a while N4G users really crack a good one.

Dam the comments above me cracked me up

[sourav93]

"The Human eye cannot process anything above 60FPS" - Not true. Please look the stuff up before posting. But yes, 240 fps is most like not going to be noticeable, from say, 120 fps. But you can easily differentiate between 60 fps and 120 fps. If required, I will post links.

[DeadSpaced]

I totally agree, but would you mind adding links? My curiosity has gotten the best of me.

[Pandamobile]

You'll need a 120 Hz monitor to properly see 120 Hz content by the way.

[sourav93]

Pandamobile is right, to get the most out of 120fps, you would need a 120hz monitor. But here's a good article which explains how the human eye perceives frames per second differently in different situations.

http://www.100fps.com/how_m...

[TheBrownBandito]

Links please. I'd like to see the difference.

[Oschino1907]

Well good thing my TV has Motion Flow XR960 and can handle 240hz native and can be boosted up to 960. Along with it's X-Reality Pro engine I get the most out my console games (makes them look almost PC quality at times) and I expect PS4 games to look beautiful regardless if they hit those bold predictions.

[sourav93]

One more link. I would recommend watching some normal videos of the Crysis 3 beta gameplay on youtube first, and then watching the video I am going to link to. In the video, the person gets an fps range of 50 to 75; I know it doesn't seem like much, but he's playing it on 3 monitors, all with a 120hz refresh rate. That basically means that when the frames per second go over 60, he'll notice a big difference on his monitors if compared to the game running over 60 fps on a monitor only having a 60hz refresh rate.

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[mynameisEvil]

I wonder if the people saying, "the human eye can't see higher than 15/24/30/45/60/100/120 frames get tired of being stupid?

Eyes can process framerates AT THE LEAST up to 200 frames per second with practice. I'll say this much, have seen the difference between 120 frames and 60 frames and while it isn't quite as obvious as the difference between 30 and 60, it's still quite obvious.

You know, I'd be willing to bet that the people who state this crap also have never seen a 120 frames versus 60. Experience, bro. Speak from it.

[jmc8888]

...and it's not just process.

It's also notice.

There's recognizing which is one level and just noticing something.

So you can see a plane and identify it. Then there's you can see things moving but can't exactly place it. Thus that's where it gets to the 500 fps level. 220 or so for actual recognition to the point where you can identify what it is. But hundreds more that you can 'notice.

[Sevir]

Have you a current spec'd HDTV... These days every HDTV at 32in have a 120 MHz refresh rate! And most HD programming on these TVs display with these refresh rates. Rumors has it that the PS4 can output 3D 1080p at 60fps. At the very least the console could do 1080p at 60fpd... I would wager they can do 768p at 120 fps and you'd notice!

This upcoming Gen will have some extremely talented Dev do something we won't expect and the consoles will wow us

[jmc8888]

I could see 768p/120.

As an option. Not on everything, but possible on some stuff.

[Majin-vegeta]

Damn i wish i had his job since i'm unemployed currently:(.The money would really come in handy by just making bs statements.

[Bathyj]

I'm sure I saw a link somewhere on this site where you can make $98 an hour working at home and buy a new Volvo.

Hope it helps.

[Zodiac]

I look at Pachter with an expression of exhaustion and ever so slight amusement.

[Fishermenofwar]

BAZINGA!!!!

[Jadedz]

Each Wii U unit sold, how much Will the PS4 and 720 be loosing?

[Hellsvacancy]

Whats that gotta do with the topic at hand?

[Deku-Johnny]

Because if Nintendo are losing that much money on a console that only does native 1080p/60fps then hyperrealistic graphics at 240fps Sony would mean Sony would have to charge so much no one would be able to buy one for a decade or an affordable price that makes them do bankrupt.

[Qrphe]

>Wii U doing 1080p 60fps
lol

@jaded
The gamepad is costly, they wouldn't be losing money if it wasn't for that.

[CouldHaveYelledUiiW]

I kind of see your point,
but I also want to know the same thing.

I wonder what PS4's business model is going to be because that is another component in success.

Repeatedly, PS and XBox have gone the Max Spec (for a console)- sell for cheaper than cost- make profit from games, dlc, wholesale part reductions...- 8 to 10 year life cycle- Route.

[juandren]

I honestly don't even think they WILL be losing money at all. AMD has always had a very good price and Sony and MS will have signed a contract with them so that brings the price down further. Blu-Ray drives are so ridiculously cheap at the moment and will be even cheaper for Sony (they are an electronics company, after all). It's just a silly myth that new consoles NEED TO sell at a loss. Why? Production costs aren't based on the time a console's been available? :/ If either releases at $450 I can almost guarantee there won't be any losses for either company

[akaakaaka]

shhh fanboys"sheeps" love to think orp. sale at a lost an sacrifice them self for their fans lol..

Understand when Sony says we are sale in it at a lost, it means the market retail value of their electronic is higher and they could sale it higher, example apple.

another example blurays cost same same and even way more expensive then a $600 PS3, meaning the PS3 real retail cost could have been easily $1000 if sony wanted and it would have been a fair retail price sine the PS3 could do much more then those blurays and it update itsays to play 3D bluray movies etc etc.

But the true is that to make a PS3, is really cheap or any other electronic.

kids will not understand this so no point to argue it.

[Prodigy-X]

240fps he is out of his mind.

[InMyOpinion]

"Sony’s new console will feature graphics chips developed by Advanced Micro Devices Inc."

Or as "techies" call them, AMD.

[ExCest]

They sure know how to make things seem more interesting than they are. AMD is good, but there isn't a point in making them seem super-duper important.

[jivah]

fuck that. they still ati to me

[Son_Lee]

1080p, 60fps, and lifelike fluid animations are realistic to me.

[mushroomwig]

I wish people would stop obsessing over FPS and resolution, the biggest improvement needed for next-generation gaming is A.I.

[mynameisEvil]

Yes, because AI TRULY affects the visuals of the game. /s

AI is something developers do. A console's ability to sustain 1080p at 60 frames is mostly the console producer's job. Therefore, your statement is like me saying, "Instead of making smoother paper, I'd like them to make better pencils." Separate jobs, man.

@Yodagamer
I know that. But I have yet to play a game where the AI is so good that it affects the framerate. FEAR 2 has some of the best AI yet, yet it plays silky smooth on both PC and consoles.

[Yodagamer]

Actually ai can effect the visuals, the better the ai the more processing goes into the ai and that processing has to come from somewhere. That is why demos on consoles always look better than alot of the games that actually come out, since they don't have to process ai or multiple ai.

[Old McGroin]

"Yes, because AI TRULY affects the visuals of the game. /s "

He didn't even say that. He didn't even nearly say that.

[iNFAMOUZ1]

i have never read something so stupider in my entire life, where i have to create a word and completely melt peoples brains, thanks sir, thanks to you now everyone that reads this comment shall be stupider.

[Campy da Camper]

Agree. I am so sick of watching enemy AI get stuck on a soup can yet still find the need to run in place.

[Yodagamer]

AI really hasn't advanced to much, there are xbox games that have as good ai as alot of current games. Halflife and halo being a few of them.

[tommygunzII]

That is the truth. Seeing all of these disagrees confirms that this gen will play anything as long as it looks good.

[BitbyDeath]

Hopefully the 'Last of Us' will lead the way into nextgen AI.

http://i.minus.com/ilAtWMsn...

[Bathyj]

100% agree, as I have ranted this many times before. The most underdeveloped area in gaming this gen.

Although there are some titles that have made commendable efforts not nearly enough has been done with everyone happy to focus on graphics instead.

I think The Last of US is going to raise the bar once its released and change what people expect from AI for next gen.

[EffectO]

http://www.edge-online.com/...

He
baegan by talking about frame rate. He listed the current frame rates
people are using in their everyday life: 50 to 60 for the TV set and 72
to 90 for the PC. He said that people will discover a new frame rate
which will "become the benchmark for the coming generation of digital
life".

"The PS3, with its high-end AV outputs, will allow no
less than 120 fps. Of course to enable such quality the surrounding
devices have to match these performances. Furthermore, the new computer
entertainment which will be introduced with the PS3 means there is no
clear lines between the forms of entertainment we know today. Broadcast
and communication will merge into a new form of experience, said
Kutaragi."

[Cueil]

oh... good reads... reminds me when they said the PS2 online would be "like jacking into the Matrix"

[Nightfallen]

PS3 was promised to do 1080p on majority games before it came out. The hype was incredible.

1080p standard with 30+ fps on EVERY game and I'll be satisfied.

[2pacalypsenow]

Microsft Said HDMI is not needed .. things change

[Cueil]

it's not "needed", but it's really useful

[zebramocha]

@night I don't think they said it was promised but capable of running 1080p games.

[BuffMordecai]

I wonder if Patcher even realizes how damn stupid he sounds half the time.

[mynameisEvil]

I'm sure he does, but I'm also sure he doesn't give half of a quarter of a damn because he'll get paid no matter what he says. He could scream, "MONKEYS WILL REPLACE HUMANS AS GAME DEVELOPERS!" and get paid bunches of money from it.

[cronaldo7]

Oh dear

[MasterCornholio]

As much as i would love for this to happen.

It wont......

[DivineAssault]

if they release it this year, im buying it this year.. I cant wait to see it cuz this gen really sucked & wii u isnt exactly putting out anything im interested in from 3rd party.. Bring it sony, so i can slap a reserve on it & wait anxiously for months to get it.. Ive never bought a sony console i didnt like.. PSP was as close as it got for me cuz i hated the loading & battery life but the games were still awesome..

[Deku-Johnny]

The bad thing is it really wouldn't surprise me if that idiot actually did say something like that.

[Mr_Stark]

I don't know if this is a joke or if he really said it but if he did he really needs firing. Maybe PS5 or 6 will have 240fps but PS4 won't have anything above 60.

[coolmast3r]

240FPS? I guess he was talking about tetris...

[GribbleGrunger]

Pachter said nothing of the sort. Instead of reading the misleading headline, try reading the article that goes with it. He said it would have 'hyper-realistic graphics', the article said it would run at 240fps and put Pachter name to it. Why did they put quotes round the less controversial statement and NOT this one? This is misinformation but people are too ignorant to even read the article to see that.

[torchic]

I read the article and the journalist says that Patcher said those things

"Sony’s new console will feature graphics
chips developed by Advanced Micro
Devices Inc. and processors capable of
rendering games at 240 frames per
second, Pachter said"

[TheKayle]

but he know what fps or he is this low? Explain to this man that fps isnt the Ups

ok jk.

but patcher didnt said that......the writer did....so better he change job

[andrewer]

Mother of Flatterer, what the hell is Patcher up to now? Complains about Nintendo and bootlick Sony? Stop man please. Have he talked about PCs yet? I'm curious to see the wonders of Patcher predictions about PCs now :P

[landog]

lol...if you believe this, get ready for disappointment

some games will be 1080/60

some 1080/30

some 720/60

some 720/30

some 768p

some 900p

some 1012p

just like this gen, devs are going to sacrifice where they have to to get the pc game (thats where all games are made you know, even uncharted 3 and halo 4 are made and created on pc) to run on the confines of the consoles

thats why we had games like alan wake in 540p last gen

resistence 3 was like 570p

bf3 is 704 p on both consoles

240 frames is a total waste and few, if any devs would be foolish enough to attempt to achieve even 120 frames on a console as the alloted resourses could be better spent on higher quality in game assets.

to know what to expect from the next gen of consoles, look at a mid spec pc from 2010, from every leak i have seen this is about where they will sit, certainly MILES beyond anything the 8 year old last gen ps3/360 offer

[Shuyin]

You've lost your mind.

[Qrphe]

>R3 being 570p

How about we do some more thorough research next time?

[landog]

sorry, it was 960x704, quote from digital foundry article;

"we see that native resolution has dropped significantly, down from the 1280x704 of Resistance 2 to a mere 960x704 - a 25 per cent drop - and nothing from the much more recent preview code suggests that this has changed, suggesting it's a lock. "

[baldulf]

This Pachter guy... Why the hell is anyone still paying attention to him?

[StreetsofRage]

"They’ll be able to put a lot more characters on the screen"

This is what I really want! My main interest for next gen. I want to play a open world game like Skyrim with way more characters on screen. I want to look over a cliff and see tons of mutants and solders fighting in Fallout 3. I dont want too see just random AI walking around. I want to see each and every one do something different. The Fable franchise had this down to a science. I want more and bigger :)

[DivineAssault]

the development for next gen games is going to be SUPER expensive for all that too.. I hope the game prices dont go up but i wouldnt be surprised.. Publishers will be really picky about the games they release & many developers will go indie because they cant get funded.. Its going to be sweet seeing all that stuff tho

[TruthbeTold]

Pachter...

Not. Sure. If. Serious...

[thehitman]

I believe at least 120fps will be possible if Sony plans to keep pushing 3D im sure they will want to retain 60fps @ 1080p resolutions during 3D mode which will require tons of power.

[mechlord]

took him long enough

[MultiConsoleGamer]

I've been telling you that Pacther is a pundit, and that he deliberately trashes companies he doesn't support (Nintendo) and he praises the companies he does support. There are people out there who will believe this hype bloated hyperbole, even though its easy to disprove just by examining the leaked ps4 specs. But truth doesn't matter when you're a marketing puppet.

[Bobbo44]

HDMI 1.4 is only capable of 60hz at 1080p due to bandwidth limitations. I highly doubt the next HDMI is going to have quadruple the bandwidth. Not to mention I imagine Sony is going to push their 4k resolutions, which requires even more bandwidth.

[Fixlarz]

240fps? The resolution has got to be quite low for the PS4 to be financially benefitial. Sorry Pachter but I'm gonna guess... no.

[sypher]

Why anyone entertains Pachter who knows nothing about games, the industry or where its going boggles my mind.

May as well quote a random grandfather. Just as much chance of being right as Pachter.

[Kennytaur]

1080p @ 30FPS (rock solid) while in 3D, V-sync and triple buffering is all I want.

[Jamaicangmr]

Ok as much as i would love to this to be true but come on Pachter get over yourself.

I'll wait like all other logical thinkers here.

[FlyingFoxy]

240fps?, once you go above 60 you don't see a difference at all on a 60hz screen. But i do have a 120hz monitor and will say things are much smoother looking and you really don't get tearing, so no need for vsync.

However, that's 60-120fps.. 240 would be wasted, plus it would never be able to handle games at 1080p at that framerate. What is this guy smoking?

In that case i'll not need to upgrade my 5870?, but i will be to maybe a gtx 780 or whatever beast card is around the corner. especially when Source engine 2 is announced.

[chukamachine]

I think it's a silly comment.

But regardless.

Lets say you have this PC.

Your playing said game in 1080, @ 45fps. Looks amazing. You want 60fps. You drop a couple of things, could be shadows less defined, could be aa 1 notch down.
Still looks amazing, but now it's at 60.

Lets say you have this game on PS3, runs at 24fps(killzone2), but you want 30 at least. Nothing you can do about it.

Problem is the dev's are trying to cram as much graphics as they can and think it looks amazing at 24fps, I don't want to cut anything and I've optimized as much as poss.

Games MUST be a solid 30 or 60, and no massive sporadic jumps in between. And devs must make sure of this.

[NotSoSilentBob]

Hey Patcher,

Shoot for the moon, even if you miss you will be among the stars, where you will aimlessly drift until a lack of food and air will bring about your slow painful death.

[KontryBoy706]

TROOOLLOLOLOLO LOLOLOLOL. Sony said that BS at the beginning of last gen. they said games would run at 120fps. yet, we don't have even 10 games that run at 60fps LOL. They said that Tekken trailer that had Jin (in CGI) punching and kicking with sweat misting off his arms was actual GAMEPLAY.

[Gincredible]

The people who actually believe Sony will release the ps4 with the power to produce 1080p graphics running at 240fps.......I feel for your parents....

Unless your speaking about games like Pong, in which case I feel happy for your parents.

[lovegames718]

in response to deku..
idk where you got yor info frm but Sony never said that when ithe ps4 comes out it wont be a big leap . Jack Tretton actually said that it has never been about releasing first or being the cheapest that Sony has always focused on making the the best cutting edge hardware and when ps4 is released it will be a noticeable difference.
You guys sound like broken records " ps4 wont be a big leap blah blah" thts bs stop listening to bs nintendo pr team say and get with the program. It may not be a big leap like ps2 to ps3 but it will be a big leap regardless . Noticeable over current gen including wiiu. The same was said about the Vita and it shut up the skeptics and actually turned out to have cutting edge hardware and the games are noticeable superior to psp and 3ds games. My money is on Sony and ps4 first party games will def. show what nxt gen is about. Their wont be no dispute on tht aspect of the hardware like wiiu is getting.

[linkenski]

Maybe by 240fps he's referring to some sort of 200Hz tv enhancement. When my friend's little bro plays Red Dead on his 100Hz tv it tries to boost the framerate. It looks annoying, but potentially the next consoles could have a feature to work with those kinds of tv's so it seems less artificial.

[ExitToExisT]

yeah right.. the current gen consoles cant even run at 30 fps, we are lucky if next gen will be locked to 60 fps

[cj1pate101]

crysis 3 maxed out = 30 on mid range pc's anything higher ur using a brand new graphics card so pc is at the same place.

[Bladesfist]

How is it at the same place. Console looks worse than the game on low. I can run it on my mid range card on high (not very high) 1080p @ 60Fps which is far better than sub hd 30fps or less.

[cj1pate101]

First off look at unreAL 4 and crytech 3 then tell me patcher that this whole statement wasn't bs. Even epic is saying the next gen will only be a tad better. 240 fps thats a bit down the road wouldnt you think. HE makes stupid dam** statements like this all the time. Why doe everyone take this man so seriously. Hes honestly a joke and sony paid good money no doubt.

[MilkMan]

Cant get excited about the big two.
Microsoft's and Sony's next systems might be so hot that it makes any other computer in the world obsolete, but if all I'm gonna play is (sigh) ANOTHER shooter, then I'll pass.

I've said this 100 times before, if the norm was millions of sales for other kinds of games say Heavy Rain and Darksiders, Max Payne then I could see the reason to have all this hardware at your disposal.

But if the idea is to make a bigger, better shooter. Then keep it where its at.

And before I get a remark that says that Sony will make a Heavy Rain type game and so on. Remember that for every innovative game we have years in between of shooter heaven.

[Blacklash93]

Once again Patcher doesn't know what he's talking about. It's been stated multiple times by devs working with next-gen tech that the graphical leap won't be as staggering as the last one. We're a long way off from Avatar graphics.

And 240FPS is ridiculously overboard. Going much further beyond 60FPS is pointless for a number of reasons.

[TiberusX87]

Did anyone actually read the article?

The only thing that is actually quoted as Pachter speaking is, “They’ll be able to put a lot more characters on the screen and allow for hyperrealistic games".

The next part is not in quotes and it only suggests the hardware is capable of 240FPS.

This was news post was purposed to increase hits to the website.

[Steadyhndz]

2 days in a row where a troll post makes the top headlines on N4G...way to go

[faizanali]

LOL 240FPS, I want to kill this bitch.

[Quiescent]

paragraph mode activate!!!!!!!!!!

[Th3 Chr0nic]

240 FPS LOL like that really matters

OH WAIT LMAO JapanTimes writing an article about Sony anything. YEA THATS NOT BIASED AT ALLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[stuntman_mike]

"Price check on isle 13"..oh cancel that.

It's just pachter talking nonsense again.

[GoldPunch-TR]

This guy is drunk always?

[PurpHerbison]

Lame. But then again, I'm lame for even posting a comment.

[shadowboricua]

Pachter... You are a joke... And irrelevant. STFU.

[shadowboricua]

The PS4 will run PAC-MAN at 1000 FPS.

[JasonXS12]

240 FPS is barely reachable by some of the best gaming computers on maxed out graphics. It can be achieved if graphics are low but if the fidelity is going to be "hyperrealistic" then don't expect this troll to be true.

[Bathyj]

Just give me 1080p/60fps as the bare minimum standard.

[Positiv3tension]

Kevin Spacey:

”Is that a PS Vita? Which games does it have?”

“All of them.”

"What? How is that even possible? How... How were you able to afford all those memory cards?"

[Positiv3tension]

Kevin Spacey: ”Is that a PS Vita? Which games does it have?”

“All of them.”

"What? How... How were you able to afford all those memory cards?"

[profgerbik]

It's very possible it could run lower end games in terms of graphical quality easily at 240fps. I can push my PC close to that with some of the more graphically demanding games so I don't find it that hard to believe.

Would it be in every game of course not just like all games usually can run at different frames depending on the resources needed to run it.

Would it be necessary either of course not as someone said, the human eyes technically runs at 30fps each but the human eye is far more complex added with the human brain it can comprehend frames far above and generally can't be compared in the same light, it can see around 300fps but realistically most people won't notice anything above 60fps.

On the other hand people who train regularly are capable of seeing above that, for instance look it up on Youtube there is a samurai who can literally cut bullets with his sword that is how fast he can react.

No doubt through training that samurai has surpassed what most people are capable of comprehending. I mean everyone is capable of comprehending frames above that but as said sometimes it takes training to really push above and beyond. Someone who has no interest just living a pretty normal life probably would say they can't see a bullet moving but it can be done.

[Marugo]

sony should really beef up ps4 or else my android phone is more powerful lol

[level 360]

Honestly I think the leap in graphics won't be that much but with *some games it would probably be on par compared to some PC games.

Think PS4 and the next XBox will be about more improved features and capacity.

[ajax17]

Pachter is a very smart guy... Sometimes I think he just wants attention.

[mercury228]

Why does he think this will happen, the hardware those consoles will use is almost out of date already by tech standards.

[GadgetGooch]

I actually hate Pachter!!!

[Matt0611]

!!!

[TheSaint]

Me too, he's a fucking cock.

[Matt0611]

Love me a daily hit-grabbing article.

[LKHGFDSA]

analyst?
well I hope he's right. I hope this is powerful enough that there's no barrier between what devs want to do and what they can do. No draw distances, no object limitations, just max it all out. CGI movie-quality graphics at higher framerates than our TVs can handle. That's what I hope for.
IMO it'd be pointless to release anything less.

[TheKayle]

theres no way ...that a game go 240 fps on th ps4

[Sp1d3ynut]

He forgot about the 4-D.

Oh wait...that was supposed to be the PS3, according to Sony. :o

[black911]

Who is this guy really?
Is he ever right?
We ban HHG from N4G but not BS pactor predictions.

[Daze311]

I really hate this guy, and why do we listen to him. 90% of the time he is wrong on this shit!

[PhillipSantanaMusic]

we sony heads already know how sony pushes technology with bleeding edge tech so, soon enough itll all open up between ps3/ps4 and vita. i know im acting like Feb 20th what?LOL, im playing! l (keeping mind off date hoping itll arrives faster lol.

[tsn]

What if theres new tech that renders images and graphics differently?

I remember reading an article about fiber optics and internet speed, apparently if you run a twisted fiber optics cable you speed up internet speeds up to 1000x just be twisting it.

We have had the same tech for the past 20 years we have just been making things smaller and more.

Its like SSD vs HDD we are still in the analog stages of hardware maybe theres something new and more efficient?

[Gregard]

But.... will it bend?

[Benjaminkno]

I want Sony to do well.

Make better games, not "prettier" ones.
I really don't get why there's so much interest in graphics. This is not why you like to play games.
This is why development costs are extinguishing the software industry.
This is why consoles are worth more than what we're paying for them.

Are you guys "trying" to make Apple/Android markets more relevant than they should be? I assure you, putting so much stake in "graphical prowess" will be the guillotine for consoles.

There's already a market for graphic whores...

...they're called PC's.

[goguxxx]

Maybe he was referring to something like those fancy new 3d tvs that show independent 3d images for each pair of glasses . That needs 240 hz , as each 3d image needs 60x2 , and go x2, thats 240 hz . If i had the money, i would bet thats what he wanted to say .

[dan_chan89]

Sure, it'll run pong at 240fps

[MYSTERIO360]

It seems as if he said it as a joke or an over elaborate idea of how powerful the PS4 will be.

[ps3_pwns]

I dont even know lol but regardless of anything sony's games will look super awesome because of the devs they have making games for them. Look at the track records of sonys devs. They been doing this since the ps1 and 2 days make great games.

[edwoods]

Hi Can someone help me understand this. I thought the human brain could only take in close to 60-70 fps visually. I thought I remember reading that somewhere. Also wouldn't the higher 240 fps actually make things appear slow. I thought thats how people capture things like bullets in slow motion etc, thru higher frames. I always thought 30 fps was ok but the once u got to 60 fps, that was as smooth as it gets, but after 60 fps, it start to be too much and creates the slow effect.

[linkenski]

This is funny!

[hano]

So can my laptop if the game looks like a PS1 game.

[UnholyLight]

What bothers me about this is that it is Pachter. So he could either be more right than we know, or he's just totally ruined any hope of an insane new console lol

[rataranian]

I dont care if it drives me to work in the morning. How much is it going to cost?

[deSSy2724]

Human eyes can tell the difference between 30 and 60 FPS EASILY.... and 60 and 120, its harder but we can still notice the differene etc. Thats only one second, the more the fps the harder is to tell the difference but not only that..... for much FPS we need a much better monitor/TV (75 Hz, 80 Hz, 100 Hz, 120 Hz etc). So, basically..... if we have a 60Hz monitor we dont need more than 60 FPS to be honest because of screen tearing and the 60 Hz monitor just can show us more FPS than that (most PC gamers own a full HD 60 Hz monitor, 22-24"). The best experience is with 60 Hz/60 FPS, 85Hz/85FPS, 120Hz/120FPS or 60 Hz each eye with 3D vision on..... vsync or adaptive vsyns = no tearings.

[DigitalSmoke]

You gts giving this guy SERIOUS thought, brings him upto speed, wile he doesnt have the insicht or industry knowladge to sit in that horse.

Pachter is a joke, he always have been.

[deafdani]

240fps? LMAO.

Even "hyperrealistic games" feels like a bit of a stretch.

[Apex13]

Pachter, your old and fame hungry for what reason? Go to bed and put your slippers and pipe on. Jeeeeeeeeez

[Tzuno]

He forgot to add that the PS4 will do Sandwiches.

[RickHiggity]

As epic as that would be, no. Just no.

[magicmantalker]

I'm sure Pachter knows a thing or two more than us in terms of the Next Gen consoles specs. Personally, I believe we are going to get as big a leap in terms of graphics and power as we did from ps2 to ps3. Let me explain why. This console generation has been especially long in comparison to any other. So while people could dispute that the ps3 got off to a slow start, believe me these guys are making bank on the systems they sell now and will contiunally sell for the next three to five years. February 20th will be the meeting to get our attention. Sony is infamous for this. I think we will get the ps4 in spring 2014 personally or later (us, europe ,japan earlier.). Sony has done this "teasing with all there platforms." Vita was the last. The specs should be very impressive, I would say 10 times the power. They will launch around eight years after ps3 has launched and sony will take less of a beating in terms of the production pipeline at the launch of the system economically and begin to make there money back much faster. I believe we will get "hyper realistic graphics." As far as the 240 frames per second info. Lets not mistake what the chip set is capable of and whats the best or preferred performance it should be running at.