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Valve being Sued in Germany; Microsoft an Sony Will be Watching for Next-Gen

With the lawsuit pending against Valve in Germany, expect that Sony and Microsoft, with their next-gen systems coming soon, will be watching closely. With rumors about the DRM features on the next-gen games Sony and Microsoft will eye this closely.

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NewMonday4099d ago

a lawsuit and winning it are 2 different things

and this doesn't concern games only but all digital software on all devices.

if they win(unexpected), then we should get used to cloud computing

konnerbllb4099d ago (Edited 4099d ago )

Companies get around this by adding it in their terms of use. The only problem right now is valve still locks people out of playing their old games if they don't agree to the new terms of use, so they will have to fix that.

But at the end of the day I really doubt people will be able to trade or sell digital content on steam or the console platforms. Illegal or not, it's all in that digital contract you agree to each time you either install update or use the service.

Dark_Overlord4098d ago (Edited 4098d ago )

I believe this was discussed in detail before, but to sum it up, no company regardless of what they put in their EULA/TOS can over ride law (and your rights associated with it).

If you read the EULA of most games, you'll find that you are not allowed to sell/lend/give away etc that game again, so why do shops like Gamestop exist? It is due to the law saying they can, regardless of what restrictive crap has been wrote into the EULA you accepted :)

MikeMyers4098d ago

Bruce Willis made a comment about his iTunes content and being able to leave it to his children when he dies. This is the slippery-slope many fear going forwards. What do we actually own? Services like Playstation Plus lean towards a rental service like Netflix. What about XBLA games and all the PS3 games I bought online?

People are often lenient when it comes to Steam because of the service and the prices but as digital gets more cemented into our buying we will have less flexibility. You know going forward that the big guys will be selling more and more games day of release and slowly get consumers to adopt buying online and all of those games will be locked to our accounts.

I don't think the U.S. will support the notion that consumers have a right to sell digital content. That will just open up a can of worms nobody will want to go to. The movie industry will push hard as well against it since they too sell their movies online through services like iTunes.

Knight_Crawler4098d ago (Edited 4098d ago )

This is BS and hope Valves looses.

If I pay for something then it should be my property and I should be able to do what I want with it.

This is like Apple holding your content hostage on iTunes and telling you that when you die you cannot give it to anyone else...I hope Bruce Willies who has investested millions in iTunes content wins this case against Apple and he can leave all his content to his daughter.

If this is the way digital downloads is going where you do not own the content you pay for and have to agree to some corporate agreements then I will stick with physical copies of what ever I purchase.

Yes some of you will try to justify this by saying that Valve already gives you the game for dirt cheap but it is still our money and we paid for something which means that it is ours and not the company who sold you ot.

aquamala4099d ago

You can't resell digital games on psn and xbl either, MS and Sony have the same problem as Valve

Dark_Overlord4098d ago (Edited 4098d ago )

They're probably waiting on the result of this case first. Though if Valve lose, MS, Sony and even Nintendo will need to implement a resale feature. It would be silly and very expensive for them to argue against it.

KrisButtar4099d ago

If gaming went all digital, I couldn't play games anymore as Internet is not offered in my area, I hope the Germans win as Why shouldn't you be able to sell the product you bought or lend it to a friend or even trade. That's why I myself would never go digital or even use steam or iTunes or any other service where I don't get the physical copy of the product

jek74099d ago

WOAH! you don't have internet in your area but your commenting here in n4g? did you use your rice cooker to connect?

KrisButtar4098d ago

iPhone and I drive to a coffee shop everyday.. They have Internet, it's still 25 min drive

sypher4099d ago

They don't have a resale value, that's the problem. They are either free (downloaded from piratebay or your favourite torrent site) or at the price the original content holder ransoms it for not to be attained 'illegally'.

You aren't paying for the product, but the service of acquiring that product hassle free. Digital goods are of infinite supply i.e. duplicated endlessly thus there is no 'second hand' market where its true value can be attained. Because goods of infinite supply have no value (in terms of money).

I wrote a big article explaining all this about a month back, if anyone is interested;
http://www.ign.com/blogs/5y...

ironfist924099d ago

Valve have a right to defend their digital distribution of games on their own first-party software, however I hope Sony and MS dont introduce the dreaded System locked DRM, meaning no one can lend or resell their PHYSICAL product once its been purchased.

ziggurcat4099d ago

don't worry, sony/MS is not going to implement that "feature' into their next systems. rumours are just rumours, and patents don't mater since almost all patents don't see the light of day (that, and an identical patent was filed just prior to the PS3 launch and we all know how that turned out).

talisker4098d ago

Sorry to disappoint you but current gen consoles have had DRM since day 1. You just didn't realize that...

Dark_Overlord4098d ago (Edited 4098d ago )

@ironfist92

One example would be the Blu Ray discs (PS3), they contain 4 (That I can think of)

High-bandwidth Digital Content Protection (HDCP)

Advanced Access Content System (AACS)

BD+

BD-ROM Mark

Now I'm not sure what DRM the Xbox360 Discs employ (though I remember it taking up about a GB of space on the discs until the update last year? was it)

Like I say, thats just the discs, the actual consoles have DRM implementations too :)

P.S on a side note, virtually every console in history has used some form of DRM.

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Microsoft Seemingly Closes Bethesda France

As part of its plans to cut 1,900 jobs, Microsoft has reportedly shut down operations at Bethesda France, letting go roughly 15 people

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Hereandthere3h ago

Microsoft should have left them stay 3rd party

GamerRN1h ago

If they are let go, they can be whatever they want. They ARE 3rd party now... 🤦

PassNextquestion3h ago(Edited 3h ago)

Bethesda France was made up of roughly 15 people... they couldn't of being doing much

Bethesda France mainly did publishing and marketing within the region

blacktiger1h ago

that's a shame for you to say that, i'm sure Elite loves hearing what you just said.

Profchaos3h ago(Edited 3h ago)

Bethesda France focused on publishing and marketing in the region. And 15 people lost their jobs as part of the closure.

I wonder if this is part of Microsoft's strategy to abandoned physical media or possibly gamepass advertising makes their roles redundant you don't need to market a game as hard when the majority of players get the game as part of a sub which already promoted upcoming games

Tacoboto2h ago

It's France too, there's a high likelihood only 1-2 people on the team even had an Xbox.

Profchaos2h ago

Possibly guven all the leaks we know the Xbox brand is really struggling in the region.

XiNatsuDragnel1h ago

Tbh Microsoft I think Bethesda being 3rd party same with Activision would probably more competitive than thus scenario imo

Profchaos12m ago(Edited 12m ago)

I think it would have been better for all parties really especially gamers

TheColbertinator1h ago

The recently purchased Activision French offices might take over all the licensing and marketing for Microsoft in France from now on.

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Sony Could Increase Your Game's Difficulty If It Sees You Complain About It

Sony has recently published a new patent that wants to dynamically handle the games' difficulty and gameplay based on the player's emotions.

jznrpg4h ago

This is something I might use. Sometimes I play some good games but they don’t have difficulty option and are a little too easy.

Profchaos4h ago

Souls games will be like that players struggling make it harder

PassNextquestion3h ago(Edited 3h ago)

I think if used correctly it could work well

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Xbox's Preservation Step Sets A Much-Needed Example, Especially For Nintendo

Hanzla from eXputer inquires: "If Xbox can care about preserving its games and legacy, what exactly is wrong with Nintendo, trying to kill game preservation single-handedly?"

purple10111d ago

Ahh yes the good old game preservation of saving all your games to a removable hhd on the Xbox 360, taking it round your mates house, setting up multiple tvs to
Be met with “save data corrupted, please re download”

Or how about removing 360 games
From the store
, download them now or else, and, better hope to god that save data doesn’t corrupt, or it’s lost for ever

Nice one ☝️

Zeref10d ago

It's better than what Nintendo and Playstation is doing. It might not be perfect but at least they are TRYING. Unlike the others.

DarXyde10d ago

Trying? Take off the blinders for a moment, mate.

1. A failure to preserve games is just that: a failure to preserve games. Don't try to sugarcoat it: NO ONE is doing it properly. Better than awful is nothing to write home about.

2. At the time of this comment, isn't it the case that you need an internet connection to play Xbox games even if you buy physical discs that are hardly in circulation anymore? I don't have a Series X and I can't verify, but I think that is correct. I'm fairly certain you can at least play PS5 games at version 1.0 (not much of a win really when many games require day one patches). I think Microsoft's all digital, licensing approach is by far more aggressive than anyone else's. They really try to push you to game pass where you lose your entire library by umm.... Skipping a month of payments.

I don't think anyone is doing it right whatsoever. Don't get me started on Nintendo, who goes after anyone looking to preserve their games better than they ever would with extreme litigation.

Don't be a simp for any of these companies. Get it together.

PhillyDonJawn10d ago (Edited 10d ago )

@DarX never speak on Xbox again. You lost all credibility with your internet connection comment. Smh you have 0 clue and misinformed yet speaking on something you don't no squat about.

Einhander197210d ago

What has Sony done exactly? You guys keep deflecting to Sony but I am not actually seeing any results, and ai am certain nothing that you can come up with even comes close to what Microsoft has done and what they have tried and failed to do, like tie all your disks to your account on xbone.

Microsoft removed their whole indie section when they moved to the xbone because they were going to only allow games on the service that came from a publisher, id@xbox started after xbone launched and it only exists because Sony embraced indie and Microsoft was forced to cancel their plans and reverse course.

And every single game that was part of games for windows live including disk games (I have gta 4 on disk that won't work) so hundreds of games that use that DRM no longer work unless the company themselves patched it out which of course very few did.

MrBaskerville10d ago

Not trying. Tried. they killed of the backcomp program years ago. They set something up again, but sounds like it's more of an attempt to save the current library on whatever they are planning next. With luck they save everything and more, but let's see. I could see them killing off parts of the OG xbox and 360 libraries. Can't imagine that they would allow us to play Forza 5-7 in the future.

With that said, I do like what they've done and really wish they could have done more.

shinoff218310d ago

Zeref

So killing off physical media is trying what exactly. Ms don't really give a fk if you think they do your kidding yourself.

Profchaos10d ago

They are not trying this team is established for forward compatability the team is. It interested in preserving Xbox or 360 games.

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isarai11d ago

Is that why Hellblade 2 is digital only?

Zeref10d ago

Just because it's digital only doesn't mean you can't preserve it. Just put it on an external and you have the exact same functionality of what a disc does.

MrNinosan10d ago

Guess you're trolling, but if you actually think that's how it works, I'd recommend buying some braincells.

mkis0079d ago (Edited 9d ago )

Volitile vs nonvolitile data. A disc will not corrupt either. A drive can be corrupted.

Einhander197211d ago

This is just a scammy PR move to distract from the fact they are going digital only and trying to push streaming and subscriptions only.

No gaming company has pushed harder to remove ownership than Microsoft.

Without discs there is no preservation, preservation can't be done by the rights holders it can only be done by the consumers, anything else is a lie.

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Einhander197211d ago

Anyone remember xblig which Microsoft removed their whole 360 indie section removing hundreds of games from people?

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Zeref10d ago

Do you know you can put your games on an external and preserve them that way? There are no benefits to discs. ZERO. Idk why some of you are still obsessed with them.

DarXyde10d ago

Because games like Persona 5 exist. It's STILL V1.00. On Playstation, that's a win because 1.00 is installed on the disc—no need to download anything.

If a game does not require any updates, it's all on the disc.

Extremely low bar in the modern era, of course. It's not much of a win by any stretch.

But for now, physical media does have a purpose, at least on Playstation.

Einhander197210d ago

That is factually not how game licensing works, try plugging your hard drive into someone else xbox, It's not going to work, and it won't work if the licensing servers ever go down.

Einhander197210d ago

Anyone remember games for windows live.

I have around a dozen games, some on Steam itself that will not work because Microsoft shut off the licensing servers.

BehindTheRows10d ago (Edited 10d ago )

I do. I STILL have games (Gears of War being the big one) I cannot access because Games for Windows LIVE is total garbage and no one has held Microsoft accountable.

Zeref10d ago (Edited 10d ago )

You don't have an Xbox apparently. Because you can 100 percent plug in your external and play games from it on any Xbox console lol. You just have to be logged in to prove ownership.

Chevalier10d ago

"You don't have an Xbox apparently. Because you can 100 percent plug in your external and play games from it on any Xbox console lol. You just have to be logged in to prove ownership."

Damn how many times do people got to explain your idiocy to you? You can take a copy of Persona 5 like someone used as an example and play that game on ANY console WITHOUT logging in which means I can lend the game to a friend without internet and they can play my game. Can you lend your hard drive to anyone without logging in for them to play? NOPE. That is a huge difference and if you think otherwise then sorry you're an idiot.

Tacoboto10d ago

"No gaming company has pushed harder to remove ownership than Microsoft."

Ubisoft is literally erasing games people bought from their libraries... My PS1-3 discs are useless on modern hardware. Nintendo's re-published and resold almost their entire Wii U library, and the eShop is completely dead with no BC mechanism in the Switch software. Microsoft publishes everything they make today day one on Steam and Xbox/Windows. Sony only brings to PC the titles they think you might want some years later and Nintendo won't even design a functional long-lasting joystick.

You're absolutely trolling and not serious if you think Microsoft today is the worst offender.

shinoff218310d ago

Yay steam

Not everyone fks with computers though. The disc is still the best way as a console player. Period.

Tacoboto10d ago

How do Sony and Nintendo feel about these discs from 2001-2013?

Don't be stupid, you know Xbox is the best at this today.

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Hofstaderman10d ago

Nobody wants this. Sales or the lack of it in the case of XBOX is very telling. I wonder how the adorably all digital series X will fare. Adorably dismal perhaps?

crazyCoconuts10d ago

Only time will tell, but for from someone like me suspecting that Xbox is trying to gracefully exit the console market, that "forward compatibility" team is trying to get Xbox games playing on Windows PCs. I mean, it's nice that they're not planning on exiting with a "enjoy your games while the hardware still works" message, so that's nice. They still have a brand to protect via Microsoft so probably feel obligated to have a better exit strategy.

Xeofate10d ago (Edited 10d ago )

That is not their plan, their plan is to transfer users accounts to the cloud.

Phil Spencer himself said as much a few months back, plans could have changed but I think people are reading way too much into one statement where Phil said he would allow Epic on xbox because he wants to be able to sell xbox games directly on other platforms. Aka, instead of selling Sea of Thives through PSN he wants to have an xbox store to sell his games on PlayStation without giving PlayStation any money.

Again, it's extremely unlikely that Phil plans to put PC on xbox and licensing would prevent them from just giving out other publishers games purchased on xbox copies of thier games on PC, Microsoft does not own their games.

crazyCoconuts9d ago

The thing that doesn't align with the cloud strategy is the giving up on exclusives. You'd still need strong exclusives for cloud streaming - it's still a "platform" , just with a lower upfront hardware investment. I feel like they've learned what PS learned with PSNow long ago. We're not ready to stream games and it's only gonna lose them money to try at this point

FinalFantasyFanatic9d ago

I would love that, I'd buy up some of the Xbox games if they could run on PC, like the Rare Replay, Lost Odyssey and Dead or Alive Ultimate, probably a pipe dream though.

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