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PS4 10x power of PS3 and Xbox to release in June

More news from a UK daily national tabloid newspaper which makes some bold claims for its readers gleaned from suggested Internet rumors, leaks and its own sources.

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bunt-custardly4099d ago

The thing is, The Sun has millions of non gaming savvy readers who will take their claims as gospel.

gaffyh4099d ago

@bunt - Definitely.

A lot of this is old rumors, and conjecture and nothing that has actually been substantiated.

Also Xbox June release, really doubt it.

Gamer19824099d ago (Edited 4099d ago )

Indeed the amount of crappy football rumours people take as truth I hear is insane.. I would love to See PS4 in June and hell its possible but its doubtful. It would really annoy the crap out of MS though if they did.. It may explain why GTA was delayed as they could have told Rockstar its launching in June so rockstar delayed to game to make a PS4 version. Imagine if GTA was an exclusive (nex gen) to ps4? That would be huge for Sony and releasing early would possibly net that.

-Superman-4099d ago

New Xbox likely to launch in June 2013 - Fake
Will have film quality graphics - like real life? I don´t think so

SonyStyled4099d ago

i imagine they will be close to film quality graphics. theres already a few PS3 exclusives that are comparable to film quality as it is. god of war and killzone for example

FlyingFoxy4099d ago

I always said 2015-2020 would be the year of graphics that take a huge leap.

KwietStorm_BLM4099d ago

@Sonystyled

LOL there is nothing "film quality" about God of War or Killzone. They have very good graphics and that's it. Be serious.

user39158004099d ago

Wait a minute 10x more powerfull? I thought the PS3 was already had supercomputer power, does this mean its a quantum calculation now? Lol, whatever, Im tired of bs numbers with poor results.

ZoyosJD4099d ago

Quantum computers should take over right around the time transistors gates hit low single digit atom counts, sometime around the year 2025. But they may never become consumer products, as the process of transmitting quantum data requires "teleportation" due to the fragility of quantum bits(qbits, which are know to be destroyed after each operation), and some of the components are physically rare(something like diamond, crystal, etc. would be required).

As a quick example of the exponential power of qbits, a terabyte of data is 2^43 0/1 values, while 500 qbits is 2^500 "complex" values. They can be analogized to vector calculus, while today's computers would comparatively be addition and subtraction by 1.

meganick4099d ago

The PS3 certainly is no supercomputer, but it was quite a powerful console when it came out, and it still holds up well today. But today's high end PC's (which are also not supercomputers) trounce the PS3.
But anyway, I'm eager to see what Sony reveals about PS4 later this month.

Shadowstar4099d ago

Supercomputer is a moving target. Your dumb phone is probably an advanced supercomputer compared to the first supercomputer in the 1960s.

3-4-54099d ago

Why do the English over sensationalized everything?

The media that is.

FlyingFoxy4099d ago

British, not english.. the UK isn't just england.

GalacticEmpire4099d ago

One crappy tabloid rag does not represent an entire country.

British journalism is a mixed bag like most other countries and, proudly, some of the most unbiased of any country.

3-4-54099d ago

Obviously it doesn't represent a whole country and I know the difference between England & Great Britain alright.

admiralvic4099d ago

You need to get out more...

This is no different than Famitsu saying "check back for a scoop on a popular game fans want next week." Typically these are followed up by some lame game no one cares about, a game we never heard about and won't care about or in some cases a genuine scoop.

Wesley854099d ago

The Sun is a very despised paper in the UK. They are known to lie and create stories to sell papers. And it is a paper owned and run by American Rupet Murdoch.

frjoethesecond4099d ago

Rupert Murdock is Australian.

Wesley854098d ago (Edited 4098d ago )

He is dual nationality Australia/American.

I just googled and found out he lost his Australian citizenship when he aquired his American citizenship in 1985.

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KingKevo4099d ago

Definately lol. Those 'journalists' just collected every rumor that is on the internet, no matter how dumb it is. But hey, it's The Sun, so nothing much to expect from them anyway, but for us who are informed it's funny, but the regular reader might even believe it.

Bigpappy4099d ago

If they were to truly release in June, that would be a very interesting move. I would really like to see how it sells, right after the E3 hype. But alas, this will not happen.

Nafon4099d ago

perfectly sums up the article and title.

Matt06114099d ago

Love how he definitely just googled PS4 images and took the first two he found.

hotrider124099d ago (Edited 4099d ago )

720 release date JUNE?? lol so much flamebait the SUN must be sooooooo bright

they will post anything for hits.

lfclee4099d ago

So is my laptop I paid £399 for and so are the graphics !

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xursz4099d ago

Isn't the Wiiu like 300. Ps4 will probably launch at like 450.

juandren4099d ago (Edited 4099d ago )

Read again. It's in pounds, not dollars. Don't think the PS4 will be $700...

CaptainN4099d ago

That was regarding it being 10 times the power not price!

kneon4099d ago (Edited 4099d ago )

Madness?

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

Probably not what you meant :)

Anyway launching in June does have some advantages. By launching so early they can take advantage of the current slowing in Wii U sales. They will hope to capture some of those that may have gone for a Wii U. And of course they would be out before the Xbox.next so they would get a jump on Microsoft.

But I don't expect it in June, most likely September or October.

Ju4099d ago

Doesn't make sense. But maybe they'll do it just to be out "first". Big business will pick up for or around the holidays. You can't build headway by releasing that early. And both specs will be available by then. People will make up their mind and probably wait the couple of month. And, nobody buys consoles in summer...

dcbronco4099d ago (Edited 4099d ago )

Ju, I'm not sure you're right. It could make sense. A June release is right around E3. The 360S released around that time and did big sales. A new console with a lot of new games would get people in the stores. Hardcore gamers don't check the month before they buy.

If you had a tiered release schedule like the Sony rumors it really makes sense. The US and Japan in June and Europe by the Holiday season. Though for Microsoft, you don't have to worry about Japan. Sell direct to the US military personnel. But this way you also take care of the hardcore early and leave the Holiday for mainstream purchases. This gets the consoles in the hands of your base with less worry of "this year's hot items" purchasers in the way. June is a very good release time. Add that Summer job money and extra free time and it's ideal.

On the power thing. People seem to forget the advances in GPU's and CPU since 2004-5. This is 2013. GPU's definitely 10 times the power. And with HSA and programming built around it CPUs won't be far behind that. So 10 times makes perfect sense. Look at benchmarks for a R520(ATI card 360 GPU based on) and compare it to a Southern Islands card. Southern Islands is more than ten times the power.

rainslacker4099d ago

I don't see a June release happening. E3 is June 11-13, which means Sony would have to either announce a launch date for that on the 20th along with a plethora of games, and then hype it up at E3 while units may just sit on the shelf and retailers scramble to get ready. It is possible, just not probable.

I remember the Saturn launch where Sega just came out one day and said "you can now buy it in stores" only a few months after announcing it, and several months before their original launch date. It was disastrous for them. If the PS3 launch is announced on the 20th, then it wouldn't be that bad, but June is only 4 months away, and it's only 1 month after their big release of The Last of Us. Still may be possible if PS4 is completely BC, but highly unlikely.

OTOH, I wasn't expecting the teaser a couple days ago, so who knows.

b_one4099d ago

what a shitty times, i think now even i can be a journalist.

Conzul4099d ago

Yes, if you put in the "effort", you could b_one.

=D

b_one4099d ago

News, News, read all about it!!! Playstation 4 11x times faster than Xbox 360 - unfolding lies behind cramgaming.com article!!!

What about it Conzul is it good?

Conzul4099d ago

@b_one

Y'ah dun good, son. Yah dun good.

Jreca4099d ago

If XBOX is launching in June, they are pretty late in advertising and hyping things. And I can't see any console predating the market before GTA5 release date (not that I care about it, but the industry does).

steve30x4099d ago

I'm pretty sure that if GTA5 is going to be a next gen game then the consoles will need to be available to buy. Otherwise it will be a next gen console game that cant be played because theres no hardware to play it on.

FlyingFoxy4099d ago

if there is anext gen release they will obviouslyjust up the texture quality which would be easy, just like altering in game settings on PC.

rainslacker4099d ago

It's not always that simple Flying. Even a texture swap would require a complete retesting of the game. Anything released in June would have to be going gold within the next 2 months, particularly for a title that will sell big.

Also if the architecture is vastly different than the PS3, which is already being assumed, then there is a lot of programming involved, unless they have some parity with the 360/720 version. Too many unknowns to make an accurate guess.

If GTA5 was always intended to be a next gen title though things could be different. I find this may be possible given that the news for GTA seems to be rather sparse for such a big title.

next gen GTA5 would be a mega-bomb if it was released on launch though, and would really help drive console sales. It is one of those few games that really is a system seller.

dcbronco4099d ago

But if there is a next gen version why not be the only system on the market for it. You would clean up with the hardcore for June, July and August. GTA5 brings you a boost in September. Then the holiday season carries you the rest of the year. June actually makes perfect sense. Your main audience in the Summer would be the hardcore gamers and we all know that they will know it's out there. And they won't have to worry about housewives and their Christmas list yet. Plus the software market is slow but people will still have money.

I know the Summer has always been considered bad. But that's because people have accepted it as being that way. But I also know that me and a lot of people I know have always complained about the lack of software during the Summer. Summer is a perfect time if you are first and definitely if you are the only one.

rainslacker4099d ago

I like that thinking. I don't believe the actual hardware matters which time of year it's released. Those first few months are usually made up of the ones that will buy it no matter what. I always hated the software drought of summer, and wish more publishers would take advantage of it, particularly with niche and new IP's. Get sales in the summer and then for the holidays seems logical to me, although I'm sure release practices are pretty well backed up with statistical data over the past 30 years.

dcbronco4099d ago (Edited 4099d ago )

I think it's backed up by data because of the lack of any data to contradict it. In the US, I believe retail makes 40% of it's sales during the holiday season. But thinks like new phones and tablets aren't released during the holiday season. And they make major sales. The 360S was released right after E3 and sales rose substantially. Same for every new PS3. I believe people think you need to wait for the holiday because no one has tried anything else.

There are alway shortages at the beginning of most new consoles because of the holiday release schedule. Why not eliminate that. You'd still get the Christmas sales and will have a bigger install base for those holiday releases. Plus a Summer release means Europe doesn't have to wait with no Christmas sales to worry about.

Also, in reference to your comment above. Back when the Dreamcast was launched, Gaming was a far smaller entertainment product. Not it is the main entertainment product. I'm sure gaming is a well over 60 billion now. Back then I wonder if it was even ten billion. Even the mainstream press follows gaming. They don't train their reporters on it. But they follow it.

rainslacker4099d ago (Edited 4099d ago )

True the lack of data may be because few big games release in the Summer, and most try to cram it in in Q1 or holiday sales...hell just look at the next 2 months, it has a bigger release schedule than this holiday had...possibly due to trying to get out before the PS4. It's sort of a self fulfilling prophecy int his regard. Really big IP's can sell at any time, but most publishers still go for that holiday season to capitalize on sales, like say Assassins Creed.

This wasn't really always the case though. In the PS2 days you generally saw a pretty solid line up all year long, which did dip a bit in the summer, but not the trickle like we've seen this gen.

I'm all for a summer release, and have money saved up already for my next system. However if there won't be any games to go with it then I'd rather they wait.

In reference to above(The Saturn), yeah Sega screwed that up royally. It did release in the summer as I recall. The bigger problem they had wasn't the size of the market, as people were interested in the system, but rather the fact they just said "it's now available" without enough units being shipped out to retail. Some stores didn't even have them and it pissed off retailers. On top of that many developers weren't ready to ship their games with the launch, which left a very limited supply of games available, and developers were pissed because they wanted those launch sales that come with new systems. Obviously this kind of thing wouldn't be the case with the PS4, as it was a lesson learned back in the day.

If Sony says on the 20th, it'll release this Summer, the consumer, retailers, publishers(who likely already know), and developers will be ready for it.

dcbronco4098d ago

The belief seems to be that Microsoft will release this Summer. But I wouldn't be surprised to see them both do it. Sony stated sometime ago that they wouldn't be the last to the market this time so they could release this Summer too.

As far as software goes. I think the Xbox will be very similar in a lot of ways to the 360. I think it will use Power7 cores, not Steamroller. But they will be modified for HSA. Or they might be using a combination of both. I believe they will have two APUs, while the PS4 will have one and a discrete GPU.

MS seems to want the ability to do more than one function at a time. An APU with a Power7 CPU and a AMD GPU for full BC and to assist the other APU where needed. The other would be a full HSA Steamroller core AMD APU. That would still be two GPUs, but it would also be a lot more CPU power. That makes sense if the rumors of 3gbs of RAM are for the OS.

If all of the features like Kinect,voice(Skype), messaging and networking are handled by one APU( a light load for a 4 core Power7 CPU) the majority of that GPU and the other entire eight core Steamroller APU would be used to handle strictly the game itself. And I don't think the cost would be that different from using a discrete GPU like the PS4 rumors.

Remember the rumors of a two APU Xbox that had both used for the same process but seemingly for two different things. I think that could be off-loading all functions but the game itself to the other APU.

Plus While the rumors are that the PS4 is slightly more powerful, I believe the Xbox will have an advantage. AMD doesn't have full HSA parts yet. I believe Microsoft might be closer to that than they are. Though the first full HSA APU could be in the PS4. AMD released the first Unified Shader GPU in the 360 months before it hit discrete GPUs. It could do that with HSA on the PS4. But an article I read years ago about a conference with CPU engineers from various companies makes me think MS might be ahead of AMD. The lead AMD engineer commented that they were following the MS roadmap on what became their Fusion line.

The chip in the 360S was the first APU or CGPU as MS called it. And it had to be dumbed down to keep it compatible with the 360s already in the wild. So I think MS has some surprises that AMD doesn't even know about. Plus they release C++ AMP a year or so ago. I believe that was to get programmers ready for HSA and to work the bugs out of the tools for the next Xbox. But. it's all speculation.

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Microsoft Seemingly Closes Bethesda France

As part of its plans to cut 1,900 jobs, Microsoft has reportedly shut down operations at Bethesda France, letting go roughly 15 people

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Hereandthere5h ago

Microsoft should have left them stay 3rd party

GamerRN2h ago

If they are let go, they can be whatever they want. They ARE 3rd party now... 🤦

Barlos3m ago

Yeah, they're also jobless.

PassNextquestion4h ago(Edited 4h ago)

Bethesda France was made up of roughly 15 people... they couldn't of being doing much

Bethesda France mainly did publishing and marketing within the region

blacktiger2h ago

that's a shame for you to say that, i'm sure Elite loves hearing what you just said.

Profchaos4h ago(Edited 4h ago)

Bethesda France focused on publishing and marketing in the region. And 15 people lost their jobs as part of the closure.

I wonder if this is part of Microsoft's strategy to abandoned physical media or possibly gamepass advertising makes their roles redundant you don't need to market a game as hard when the majority of players get the game as part of a sub which already promoted upcoming games

Tacoboto4h ago

It's France too, there's a high likelihood only 1-2 people on the team even had an Xbox.

Profchaos4h ago

Possibly guven all the leaks we know the Xbox brand is really struggling in the region.

Yi-Long1h ago

Well, if your consoles and games are barely found in any stores any more, of course you're gonna struggle finding consumers ...

XiNatsuDragnel3h ago

Tbh Microsoft I think Bethesda being 3rd party same with Activision would probably more competitive than thus scenario imo

Profchaos1h ago(Edited 1h ago)

I think it would have been better for all parties really especially gamers

TheColbertinator2h ago

The recently purchased Activision French offices might take over all the licensing and marketing for Microsoft in France from now on.

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Sony Could Increase Your Game's Difficulty If It Sees You Complain About It

Sony has recently published a new patent that wants to dynamically handle the games' difficulty and gameplay based on the player's emotions.

jznrpg6h ago

This is something I might use. Sometimes I play some good games but they don’t have difficulty option and are a little too easy.

Profchaos5h ago

Souls games will be like that players struggling make it harder

PassNextquestion4h ago(Edited 4h ago)

I think if used correctly it could work well

jambola52m ago

cool idea
cool idea for horror games especially
the way it's explained here sounds like it could never be forced hopefully, so that's ok with me

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Xbox's Preservation Step Sets A Much-Needed Example, Especially For Nintendo

Hanzla from eXputer inquires: "If Xbox can care about preserving its games and legacy, what exactly is wrong with Nintendo, trying to kill game preservation single-handedly?"

purple10111d ago

Ahh yes the good old game preservation of saving all your games to a removable hhd on the Xbox 360, taking it round your mates house, setting up multiple tvs to
Be met with “save data corrupted, please re download”

Or how about removing 360 games
From the store
, download them now or else, and, better hope to god that save data doesn’t corrupt, or it’s lost for ever

Nice one ☝️

Zeref10d ago

It's better than what Nintendo and Playstation is doing. It might not be perfect but at least they are TRYING. Unlike the others.

DarXyde10d ago

Trying? Take off the blinders for a moment, mate.

1. A failure to preserve games is just that: a failure to preserve games. Don't try to sugarcoat it: NO ONE is doing it properly. Better than awful is nothing to write home about.

2. At the time of this comment, isn't it the case that you need an internet connection to play Xbox games even if you buy physical discs that are hardly in circulation anymore? I don't have a Series X and I can't verify, but I think that is correct. I'm fairly certain you can at least play PS5 games at version 1.0 (not much of a win really when many games require day one patches). I think Microsoft's all digital, licensing approach is by far more aggressive than anyone else's. They really try to push you to game pass where you lose your entire library by umm.... Skipping a month of payments.

I don't think anyone is doing it right whatsoever. Don't get me started on Nintendo, who goes after anyone looking to preserve their games better than they ever would with extreme litigation.

Don't be a simp for any of these companies. Get it together.

PhillyDonJawn10d ago (Edited 10d ago )

@DarX never speak on Xbox again. You lost all credibility with your internet connection comment. Smh you have 0 clue and misinformed yet speaking on something you don't no squat about.

Einhander197210d ago

What has Sony done exactly? You guys keep deflecting to Sony but I am not actually seeing any results, and ai am certain nothing that you can come up with even comes close to what Microsoft has done and what they have tried and failed to do, like tie all your disks to your account on xbone.

Microsoft removed their whole indie section when they moved to the xbone because they were going to only allow games on the service that came from a publisher, id@xbox started after xbone launched and it only exists because Sony embraced indie and Microsoft was forced to cancel their plans and reverse course.

And every single game that was part of games for windows live including disk games (I have gta 4 on disk that won't work) so hundreds of games that use that DRM no longer work unless the company themselves patched it out which of course very few did.

MrBaskerville10d ago

Not trying. Tried. they killed of the backcomp program years ago. They set something up again, but sounds like it's more of an attempt to save the current library on whatever they are planning next. With luck they save everything and more, but let's see. I could see them killing off parts of the OG xbox and 360 libraries. Can't imagine that they would allow us to play Forza 5-7 in the future.

With that said, I do like what they've done and really wish they could have done more.

shinoff218310d ago

Zeref

So killing off physical media is trying what exactly. Ms don't really give a fk if you think they do your kidding yourself.

Profchaos10d ago

They are not trying this team is established for forward compatability the team is. It interested in preserving Xbox or 360 games.

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isarai11d ago

Is that why Hellblade 2 is digital only?

Zeref10d ago

Just because it's digital only doesn't mean you can't preserve it. Just put it on an external and you have the exact same functionality of what a disc does.

MrNinosan10d ago

Guess you're trolling, but if you actually think that's how it works, I'd recommend buying some braincells.

mkis0079d ago (Edited 9d ago )

Volitile vs nonvolitile data. A disc will not corrupt either. A drive can be corrupted.

Einhander197211d ago

This is just a scammy PR move to distract from the fact they are going digital only and trying to push streaming and subscriptions only.

No gaming company has pushed harder to remove ownership than Microsoft.

Without discs there is no preservation, preservation can't be done by the rights holders it can only be done by the consumers, anything else is a lie.

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Einhander197211d ago

Anyone remember xblig which Microsoft removed their whole 360 indie section removing hundreds of games from people?

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Zeref10d ago

Do you know you can put your games on an external and preserve them that way? There are no benefits to discs. ZERO. Idk why some of you are still obsessed with them.

DarXyde10d ago

Because games like Persona 5 exist. It's STILL V1.00. On Playstation, that's a win because 1.00 is installed on the disc—no need to download anything.

If a game does not require any updates, it's all on the disc.

Extremely low bar in the modern era, of course. It's not much of a win by any stretch.

But for now, physical media does have a purpose, at least on Playstation.

Einhander197210d ago

That is factually not how game licensing works, try plugging your hard drive into someone else xbox, It's not going to work, and it won't work if the licensing servers ever go down.

Einhander197210d ago

Anyone remember games for windows live.

I have around a dozen games, some on Steam itself that will not work because Microsoft shut off the licensing servers.

BehindTheRows10d ago (Edited 10d ago )

I do. I STILL have games (Gears of War being the big one) I cannot access because Games for Windows LIVE is total garbage and no one has held Microsoft accountable.

Zeref10d ago (Edited 10d ago )

You don't have an Xbox apparently. Because you can 100 percent plug in your external and play games from it on any Xbox console lol. You just have to be logged in to prove ownership.

Chevalier10d ago

"You don't have an Xbox apparently. Because you can 100 percent plug in your external and play games from it on any Xbox console lol. You just have to be logged in to prove ownership."

Damn how many times do people got to explain your idiocy to you? You can take a copy of Persona 5 like someone used as an example and play that game on ANY console WITHOUT logging in which means I can lend the game to a friend without internet and they can play my game. Can you lend your hard drive to anyone without logging in for them to play? NOPE. That is a huge difference and if you think otherwise then sorry you're an idiot.

Tacoboto10d ago

"No gaming company has pushed harder to remove ownership than Microsoft."

Ubisoft is literally erasing games people bought from their libraries... My PS1-3 discs are useless on modern hardware. Nintendo's re-published and resold almost their entire Wii U library, and the eShop is completely dead with no BC mechanism in the Switch software. Microsoft publishes everything they make today day one on Steam and Xbox/Windows. Sony only brings to PC the titles they think you might want some years later and Nintendo won't even design a functional long-lasting joystick.

You're absolutely trolling and not serious if you think Microsoft today is the worst offender.

shinoff218310d ago

Yay steam

Not everyone fks with computers though. The disc is still the best way as a console player. Period.

Tacoboto10d ago

How do Sony and Nintendo feel about these discs from 2001-2013?

Don't be stupid, you know Xbox is the best at this today.

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Hofstaderman10d ago

Nobody wants this. Sales or the lack of it in the case of XBOX is very telling. I wonder how the adorably all digital series X will fare. Adorably dismal perhaps?

crazyCoconuts10d ago

Only time will tell, but for from someone like me suspecting that Xbox is trying to gracefully exit the console market, that "forward compatibility" team is trying to get Xbox games playing on Windows PCs. I mean, it's nice that they're not planning on exiting with a "enjoy your games while the hardware still works" message, so that's nice. They still have a brand to protect via Microsoft so probably feel obligated to have a better exit strategy.

Xeofate10d ago (Edited 10d ago )

That is not their plan, their plan is to transfer users accounts to the cloud.

Phil Spencer himself said as much a few months back, plans could have changed but I think people are reading way too much into one statement where Phil said he would allow Epic on xbox because he wants to be able to sell xbox games directly on other platforms. Aka, instead of selling Sea of Thives through PSN he wants to have an xbox store to sell his games on PlayStation without giving PlayStation any money.

Again, it's extremely unlikely that Phil plans to put PC on xbox and licensing would prevent them from just giving out other publishers games purchased on xbox copies of thier games on PC, Microsoft does not own their games.

crazyCoconuts9d ago

The thing that doesn't align with the cloud strategy is the giving up on exclusives. You'd still need strong exclusives for cloud streaming - it's still a "platform" , just with a lower upfront hardware investment. I feel like they've learned what PS learned with PSNow long ago. We're not ready to stream games and it's only gonna lose them money to try at this point

FinalFantasyFanatic10d ago

I would love that, I'd buy up some of the Xbox games if they could run on PC, like the Rare Replay, Lost Odyssey and Dead or Alive Ultimate, probably a pipe dream though.

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