BioWare Set to Segregate Gays in Star Wars, Outrages Homosexuals and Homophobes

In the virtual world we are set with few rules and regulations to abide by, our imaginations are taken to cities around the world, planets across the galaxy, and worlds beyond our own. But, when we begin to interact with other characters or people, our real world personal values can conflict with those of the virtual one. With that, the Daily Reaction crew of Sebastian Moss and Dan Oravasaari discuss the continuing controversy of same gender relationships in video games.

[doctorstrange]

BioWTF. Seriously, who there thought that was a good idea?

[Foolsjoker]

Implementing the option just to segregate it is ridiculous.

[joab777]

I don't think that's what they did. What's crazy to me is all lack of reality. I just watched Lincoln and forgive me for the comparison because slavery should not be compared with gay rights. But, after everything Lincoln did, at the end, one congressman was still angry with him because because he didn't use stronger language concerning the right of free men to vote. Now, Bioware has been a pioneer and just like all businesses, money Is their bottom line. If u support the cause, u should applaud them for putting their necks on the line financially to push an ideal. If u don't agree, then bioware probably ticks u off. But, remember, they are constrained too and could easily ignore the cause altogether. So, as everything has happened in human history, good or bad, it happens in increments. Sure, get pissed off at them and maybe they will stop fighting the fight.

[TrendyGamers]

I can't see how they thought it was a good idea.

[pixelsword]

Who cares; just about all women are men in games anyways.

[TENTONGUN]

lol.

[konnerbllb]

Bioware: Let's have people pay to be gay!

Consultant: I don't th..

Bioware: * interrupts* it's a genius idea, we're going with it.

[Aloren]

That's such a ridiculous article. It's not segregation...
As of now, there's no SGR in the game at all.
They're adding some in the first expansion of the game, which happens to be a new planet. So yeah, at first the options will only pop on that world.

Calling this segregation is just like saying Arkham City is misogynist because you had to pay more to get a chance to play with a female character.

[DragonKnight]

Man, you're all making a mountain out of a mole hill. Here you're all ready to lynch BioWare for supposed segregation when you're forgetting some important factors. First, BioWare have been among the biggest supporters of same gender relationships in games. What, does that all of a sudden disappear with this? Second, they could have decided to not implement the feature at all, would that be better? Third, this is a preliminary thing and no one knows what the future is going to bring, and yet you're all jumping on the "BioWare is anti-gay, let's burn them at the stake" bandwagon.

I find it laughably ridiculous that so many say things like "you can't judge a game before you play it" trying to tell people not to jump the gun about game design choices, and yet in the same breath with little information available you're all ready to pounce on BioWare citing insensitivity to the LGBT community by making the option to be gay a paid feature. I also find it laughable that the the authors of this piece berate people for having the opinion that homosexuality is wrong, telling them to grow up and they aren't entitled to have a say in every gaming design choice, and then conveniently flip the script to attack BioWare when BioWare could have said "screw all of you, none of you get to play as a gay or lesbian anything."

In a world where people segregate themselves, and homosexuality has devolved into a political correctness issue instead of just a basic fact of existence, the real hypocrites rear their ugly heads armed with ignorance and a desire to just find something to b*tch about.

If you're playing an MMO just so you can have any kind of relationship, maybe you're spending too much time gaming. BioWare has made a lot of mistakes, but this stuff just came up and you're all ready to get the pitchforks out in defense of something I bet most of you do nothing about in the real world.

[pandehz]

Cant believe you got disagrees.

Ppl are blowing this way out of proportion and so is the media. N4G is becoming like The Sun, Fox news and Kotaku.

If there was one chief editor with some ethics he/she prolly wouldn't allow a biased headline like that

[Roccetarius]

All this boils down to is getting people to talk about the game. It's what companies do, especially EA since they're hated already.

Look at the recent Dead Island controversy. That was a PR stunt as well.

[solid_warlord]

Console gamers are made of pre dominanately by male gamers who enjoy mostly shooters...not guiter heroes. Since im free to my own opinion, i believe that gay is not somet that should be encouraged in console gaming. Since PC gaming have alot of RPG and lets face it, thats were most gays play. I think console should remain the way it is. Not give gays or anyother groups any special attension. I aint being a homophobe, i have no problem with homosexuals as long as they leave me and my family alone then they can do whatever they do.

[Aloren]

That was funny.

"gay is not somet that should be encouraged"

"PC gaming have alot of RPG and lets face it, thats were most gays play"

"i have no problem with homosexuals as long as they leave me and my family alone "

Sorry to tell you, but you may think you "aint being a homophobe", but the way you talk says otherwise.

[solid_warlord]

@Aloren

Not at all. Im just stating, ur free to do what ever u do. I wont attack u and ur belifes and u dont attack mines. It was a rational and logical comment. No cursing or bad language used. But i should quote that NOT all PC gamers are gay and NOT all console gamers are hetrosexuals.

[Aloren]

Well, that bit about gays leaving your family alone is still a little weird.

[AngelicIceDiamond]

Offtopic

@pic Looks like the village people the Star Wars Edition lol.

[Foolsjoker]

Is it me, or would you actually like to see George Lucas make a Star Wars remake with the Village People? Couldn't be worse than what he has been doing.

[doctorstrange]

Young Men's Clone Association?

[MuhammadJA]

As much as I agree with you about People being born the way they are whether straight or gays, the same can be said about pedophiles and necrophilia. Everyone is born with their own desire. Nothing is a choice.

[Beetey]

Smart. Do the thing that will make everybody mad.

[knifefight]

Hey Bioware, how's the weather all the way back there in 1850?

[Heisenburger]

Search your feelings.... you know this was a foolish decision.

[League_of_Draven]

So? I see no problems with this. Just wait until they make a planet for beastiality and pedophiles as it will fall in line with this and you'll want them on a different planet too.

[ChocolateGiddyUp]

I think it's pretty crazy to compare a gay relationship to child/animal rape, but I'm also sick enough to think a bestiality planet would be hilarious.

I don't even care about Star Wars, but I'd pay any amount of money to see Mr. Hands in space.

[BanBrother]

Chocolate, you are sick....... and I completely agree lol.

@League

Anyone who agrees with you is an un-educated moron. Comparing homosexuals to pedophiles is sick beyond belief. What next, are we going to segregate people who have birth-marks? People are born different. You would have been a friend of Hitler if that scumbag was still alive.

OT: Does this not remind anyone of the Planet Chick from DBZ? Lol Frieza ordered Vegeta and Nappa to destroy a planet of women lol. Now THAT is funny.

[peterdawa]

I wish they would remove homosexuality from games. It shoudnt be encouraged.

[doctorstrange]

@peterdawa...... it's not being encouraged, it's being accepted as a natural thing. Homosexuality is not a choice, you can't encourage someone into becoming gay.

Meanwhile, discouraging it is like trying to discourage a plant from growing. A % of any mammal species will be homosexual, it's a part of how life has evolved. There's nothing wrong with it, and it can't harm you.

Put down the pitchfork and try to accept the 21st Century.

[League_of_Draven]

Homosexuality IS a choice. In fact, you can CHOOSE to be homosexual on whatever planet they're making for them.

[FunAndGun]

^^ @ League_of_Draven ^^

How do you know it is a choice? Unless you identified with being gay at one point in your life and then made a choice to be straight, how would YOU know it is a choice?

Did you choose to be straight or is that JUST how it is for you?

Why would someone WANT to be discriminated against?

You are so ignorant.

I hope one day your personal beliefs are challenged by what you feel in your heart when someone close to you comes out of the closet. You are obviously short-sighted, dim-witted, and very isolated mentally.

Someone, somewhere really must have hurt you if you carry that much disgust for something that doesn't affect your life, liberty, or pursuit of happiness. I'm sorry. :(

^^ @peterdawa ^^

LOL, "It shouldn't be encouraged"

But mass murder, sexism, and headshots....Thats OK?

Why is it every other facet of human life can be portrayed in video games, but once the word 'GAY' comes along, everyone treats it with such fear and realism?

WHAT ARE YOU SO AFRAID OF? Homosexuality is NOT contagious. Just like killing in video games does not make you a killer.

[Pozzle]

"WHAT ARE YOU SO AFRAID OF? Homosexuality is NOT contagious. Just like killing in video games does not make you a killer."

Apparently gamers will only defend the ~artistic integrity~ of a game if it involves extreme violence, possible rape, or a severed bikini torso. Yep, apparently the Dead Island severed torso is "art" and the allusions to rape in Tomb Raider are there for "realism" and anybody offended by such things is just a wimp or a pussy or "taking fiction too seriously".

But two men or women kissing? "EW! GET THAT NASTY SHIT OUT OF MY GAME! IT'S NOT NATURAL!! KILL IT WITH FIRE!!"

[CoLD FiRE]

Homosexuality is fine...as long as it involves hot chicks and no dudes. Say whatever you want to say but "I" think sexy women kissing each other and having sex is hot while if it was men who did it I think it's completely disgusting.

I know some smartass will call me a hypocrite and that if I accept lesbians I must accept gays. I still don't deny people their right to stick it in each other. I just think the act itself is disgusting. Call me a homophobe, I don't give a fu*k, it's your opinion and it sucks just like your boyfriend.

[Pozzle]

Interracial marriage used to be compared to bestiality, and look how far society has come since then. I only hope that one day we, as a society, will look back at this generation and laugh at how ridiculous it was for people to do things like protest homosexuality or compare two consenting adults (who happen to be the same sex) with the rape of children and animals.

[doctorstrange]

I'd hate for historians to write off this generation as being filled with short-sighted bigots

[Qrphe]

You'll be the crazy grandparent whose grandchildren make fun of for personal beliefs just like today we make fun of our racist grandparents.

[FrightfulActions]

@doctorstrange

Homosexually is not natural. I don't care one way or another what someone does in their personal life, its none of my business, but despite that it certainly is NOT natural. If it was natural then the relationship could produce a child. This is a fact.

[Qrphe]

Natural as it doesn't occur in nature?

Because I'm sure a quick google search could give you a huge list of homosexual behavior in animals proving it otherwise.

Please give me your objective, fact-based definition of "natural."

[deep_fried_bum_cake]

It's sad that someone agreed with you. I understand that your opinion is probably brought about by religious belief, or just the way you were raised, but that is the stupidest reasoning ever.

When you grew up, you sure as hell didn't have a choice in being attracted to the opposite sex, it just happened. The same as with gay people and their attraction to the same sex.

I mean considering what a lot of gay people have to put up with growing up (bullying; segregation) there are probably quite a few who wish the could just make it easier by being attracted to the opposite sex.

But that's not how it works and they can't help who they are attracted to, the same as you. So I would have to say that homosexuality is very natural considering that's the way they ended up.

[Th3 Chr0nic]

Animals also eat their young and shit where they sleep and eat that too

[FunAndGun]

so then who created all the gay people?? O_o

I am pretty sure they naturally were born from straight couples.

[FrightfulActions]

@Qrphe
If a species cannot procreate, it cannot endure. Think what you will, but a homosexual relationship doesn't result in offspring. Only a small few creatures can swing both ways and have offspring. Humans are not one of them, far as I know.

I don't believe homosexuals will be the humans downfall or anything, that'd just be silly. But fact remains that it isn't natural if they cannot procreate.

@deep_fried_bum_cake
I'm actually a regrettable atheist and grew up with very accepting and reasonable family so...

I'm not really sure why you're so sensitive to this. I clarified that I have nothing against homosexuals. I just said that it isn't natural.

Just because I'm fine with them doesn't mean I have to warp my definition of natural to make overly-sensitive people feel more secure about themselves.

I don't condone bullying of any kind, but just because a few can be 'born that way' doesn't make such way 'natural'. Some children are born with an extra limb or lack of limb. These abnormalities are considered deformities because they're not natural to the 'default' human template.

You're not 'supposed' to be born that way, its a fluke of genetics. Same with those who are born with hormonal abnormalities that lead them to be gay. Does that mean we should treat them differently? No, of course not. People are people and they all have rights. But it doesn't magically make them natural either.

They're unnatural. It isn't an insult, its just a fact.

[TheFirstClassic]

Qrphe That doesn't prove anything. Animals also have disorders, you realize that right? People shouldn't be disagreeing with FrightfulActions, because what he is saying is true. It doesn't mean it's harmful or not, but the purpose of sexual attraction is to lead to sex, which thereafter leads to reproduction. If you are attracted to the same gender and not the opposite, THEN IT ISN'T NATURAl. Again, that doesn't mean it is harmful or that you can't live following these feelings, but if you think it is a natural instinct then you are just wrong.

[NewZealander]

grow up, if nature intended you to be gay then its natural, if people are born sterile and cant have kids are they not natural?

stop using a word to cover up your homophobia.

i was born gay and theres no way im letting idiots like you tell me its not natural!

[MysticStrummer]

It occurs widely throughout the animal kingdom. It is therefore natural. To say otherwise is ignorant. End of story.

[ChickeyCantor]

I can only assume you were raped by a man. And assaulted by a dog. On planet Uranus.

/rim shot

/See what I double did there? What a great audience.

[FunAndGun]

wow, ignorant much?

[Rhaigun]

This has already been publicly denied by Bioware and its employees.

[ElectricKaibutsu]

Then did they get hacked? Why is it right here on the official Star Wars: The Old Republic site then?

http://www.swtor.com/info/n...

[Soldierone]

You mean this comment: "Secondly, I want to reveal today that we are adding SGR with some NPCs on Makeb and do intend on pursuing more SGR options in the future. More details to come!"

You know shortly after expressing they are very supportive of it? Really seems like segregation..... not.

[ElectricKaibutsu]

@Soldierone
Maybe I misunderstood Rhaigun's comment but I thought he meant them adding same gender relationships was denied by Bioware. You're right that it doesn't mention segregation on the site.

[WeAreLegion]

I don't understand why people still say "homophobia". Nobody is actually AFRAID of homosexuality.

[PopRocks359]

I'm sure there are plenty out there who do. People usually fear what they don't/refuse to understand.

[aliengmr]

N4G comments section says otherwise.

[voodoopickle]

im hobophobic, does that count?

[XabiDaChosenOne]

I guess being gay is the new trend nowadays.

[FunAndGun]

No, that is just society changing around you and PROGRESSING.

[XabiDaChosenOne]

How is this progression? The Greeks used to stick it up each others butts also, actually they used to stick it up the butts of boys between the ages of 12-17 and it was perfectly acceptable and standard within that society. Society in general is a joke and hypocritical, all it does is hope on the bandwagon of the new trend.

[MadMax]

There's just more vocal, mental morons these days in the gay community, that's all. You have been hand fed in what to believe and if you don't do as they say, you will be cast out and called a racist homophobe! they like throwing that one around alot. Lol, it's far from progression! Just a sicker and more mental world is all!

[arbitor365]

this is just pathetic, bioware. there is no reason to make concessions to ignorant bigots. especially since 99% of the people complaining (like the group "one million moms") are not the kinds of people who would play the game in the first place. even most of the homophobic gamers are not going to boycott the game over it. so this is just moronic

its just a blatant cop out. you might as well not have them in there at all, if you are going to segregate them to one planet. that just makes it worse.

ten years from now we are going to look back on incidents like this with such embarrassment.

[ElectricKaibutsu]

Other adults can do what they want. It doesn't affect me.

[FunAndGun]

I wish others were as mature and forward thinking as you.

[Psychonaughty]

To those saying homosexuality is natural, how is sticking a cock up someones arse natural? Common sense should tell you that it is comparable to bestiality and pedophilia. I don't hate or fear gay people but I do pity them and their enablers.

[Pozzle]

How is it "common sense" to compare two adults in a consensual (and probably loving) relationship to the rape of children/animals? Nobody is being harmed in a homosexual relationship, so how is that even comparable to one the sickest crimes imaginable?

Fair enough if you don't like/understand homosexuality - that's your choice, but to compare it to the violation and brutality of child/animal rape is just...gross. And doing so just lessens the true crime of pedophilia and bestiality by treating them as just another form of sexuality, when they should instead be treated as the crimes and violations that they are.

[Psychonaughty]

It's not as bad but it is comparable.

[aLucidMind]

There are over 500 species, including our own, that have homosexual individuals proves it IS natural. If it exists, it is part of the natural world and is, obviously, natural and normal.

Also, comparing consensual sex between two adults to raping children and animals is completely idiotic at best.

[aliengmr]

And how does it effect you?

Nobody is trying to convince people to be gay, just that it has no effect on your life at all.

"I don't hate or fear gay people but I do pity them and their enablers."

Yet, to you, they are no different than child molesters and people who have sex with animals. Classy. Way to to use that "common sense".

[NewZealander]

its consenting dumb ass hows that comparable to bestiality or pedophilia!

who the hell let you out of the gene pool!

[MysticStrummer]

It's natural because it occurs in nature, throughout the animal kingdom. It's not that tough to understand. The laws of society don't always line up with the laws of nature, but the laws of society are more easily changed.

[stuntman_mike]

luv the pic lol.

[bryam1982]

America (and i mean the USA not the continent) is raising faggots, first the army accepting gays now they want the boyscouts to accepted gays too, exposing the kids to that is just sick well at least your nation will disappear cuz how will american reproduce? Lol

[aLucidMind]

Supporting gay rights does not make you gay; by that logic, I support marriage between black and white people. Does that make me, a white man, also a black woman? By your logic, it does.

Homosexuality is not a choice, that is a fact. And only 1 out of at least 75 people are gay. I would say human reproduction won't be taking much of a hit. And if America is as full of people like you, then I will be glad if America is unable to reproduce; last thing we need is more idiots.

[bryam1982]

Fine whit me if u like an army of faggots sticking each other or if u like a gay guy hitting on u lol u are the one thats gonna get butt sex and if this trend continue in 30 years u will see 70 from those 75 people being gay since u americans are fine whit exposing ur kids to faggots

[aliengmr]

@bryam1982

Seriously, stop. You aren't very smart. You should worry a little less about gay people and more about grammar.

Also, you sound extremely insecure.

[aliengmr]

You are aware that the worlds population is NOT in decline?

You know what's even more funny about your comment, that you specifically are talking about the US. I mention that because the US still doesn't nationally recognize same sex marriage and only a few states have legalized it.
But, our nice neighbor to the north, Canada, has. Mexico is similar to the US, in that they allow it in certain areas.

You might want to do a little research. Go to school, learn something, its fun.

[NewZealander]

never mind anyone trying to get anything in your ass bro, you would have to take your head out first.

[Kran]

You know it's still possible for gay guys to actually have kids of their own right? It's called surrogacy.

[Th3 Chr0nic]

These N4G articles do more harmthan good, headlines like this just start fires that have no real fuel beyond the fakerage they try to ensue. another reason why this site and the bloggers that want so badly to get hits are a JOKE

[Th3 Chr0nic]

Just because there are more openly gay people these days doesnt make it normal or right. it means society is devolving more and more and 100 years from now you will hear "its not their fault they were born wanting to screw kids"

yes flame on you know u want to.

[Droid Control]

Homosexuals are everywhere these days. Standards in society change constantly. Just because its legal these days doesn't mean it will always be so or that its right. It was legal in the town of Sodom, its was fine with the ancient greeks, but God has always condemned the practice of shoving your cock up another man's butt. It was condemned by Moses in the old testament LEVITICUS 18:22 and it was condemned by the christians in the new. ROMANS 1:27 The bible also makes clear that Homosexuality is a CHOICE not something you can't control.1 CORTHINIANS 6:9-11

[X-Alchemist]

lol instead of basing you knowledge on the bible have you ever actually asked a gay person if it's a choice or not?

Let me educate you: no it's definitely not a choice.

[Th3 Chr0nic]

Your right no one chooses to be mentally handicapped they are just like that.

[arbitor365]

lots of undereducated xenophobic bigots in this comment section. people who have probably been religiously indoctrinated by their ignorant parents to hate and deride people whom they don't understand.

these people are truly pathetic and they embody what is wrong with this world. unless they change their thinking and stop being craven little hatemongers, history will spit on their graves.

[smashman98]

Bioshame :(

[profgerbik]

I don't know I am not being an ass and I seriously literally have no problem with what people choose to do with their lives, I just hope they make the right decisions.

I can somewhat understand maybe why this has happened, Gays can be just as rude to straight people. It is a moronic cycle.

I have met tons of stuck up Gay guys that treated me like an asshole just because I don't want to like guys. I really can't stand overly flamboyant homosexuals either those ones who start acting like females all the sudden but then talk down every girl they see because they feel men are better.

Example I just took my Mom out one day to a concert she wanted to see, so I figured ok I'll bring her along for some family time. There was this group of gay guys next to us, that were practically having sex with each other and kept pushing up against our backs. My mom got real pissed and asked them to back off, instead of being civil human beings they called her a fat ass whore and threated to stab her, so fucking beat the shit out of them against my better judgement but I mean he threated my mother with a fucking knife.. and I left a really awesome concert early with a shitty night ahead of realizing how idiotic humanity can be (when what the fuck are they doing having sex in crowds at a concert..)

She weighs 125... They were just being the usual jealous gay guy.. I don't understand that, Gay men like men but then they want to be girls and act exactly like them? Doesn't that defeat the purpose? I also understand people might feel more like a girl but it doesn't mean your penis or vagina does.. So I never understand people having the need to go through sex changes either just to prove a point.. I get it you feel like a man or women. You don't need to act like one or have a dick or vagina to prove it to me or anyone else, just like who want to like..

You see my point? People can see it picking on gays but I see both sides of the story because I have too many friends and have met too many people to prove otherwise, it isn't just people picking on Gays. Gays pick on people also for not being gay or for not being male, female or homosexual.

Either way it isn't right so maybe it is best they have their own segregated communities, no one complains that is how the world right now is currently set up. We live in segregated countries, where we all think differently about each other (I don't but the majority is quick to talk shit about another country for whatever reason). So why is segregation in a game offending people.

Like always people always focus on the smallest most mundane issues feeling as if they are so important. How about we work on the fact most the world hates each other first?

Not saying all homosexuals are so rude but I am just saying it goes both ways is what people fail to recognize people altogether are just shitty.

[Kran]

I can see your point... but the way you're kind of putting it out there is as if all gay men act that way.

We don't. Yes. "we". I'm a gay guy, but I would in no way act the way those guys you described in public. I'm also not one of those guys who would talk, act or even dress like a woman. I just don't like those guys and find them rather creepy, so yes. Even some of us gays find them a bit... off :/

As to how they treated you and your mother, the fact that they were gay had nothing to do with it. Take the sexuality away from it and they'd just be a bunch of guys trying to stir up trouble. That's how I would see it.

The problem this generation has is they feel it's down to the sexuality and not the person. It's not. I am who I am because of me; I try to be a nice guy, and the customers I talk to when I'm working in a supermarket tend to agree. One woman even said I had such good manners to me today. Did she know I was gay? Probably not because she's just a customer. She doesn't want to know. Could she tell I was? My guess is no because I'm not one of those people who talk camp (call it "Straight Acting" if you will, though it's not really an act :/)

Like I said, I see your point, but sexuality had nothing to do with it. And if it did, maybe purely for the "they were kinda having sex" part :l

[ApolloTheBoss]

The disagree fairy is on a rampage again.

[Truthandreason]

I doubt EA even thought about segregation being an issue,
till it was brought up on the forums, their only focus is money. With swtor crashing and burning any content from here on out will be paid for whether its gay or straight or just plain old non sexual content.

This is an overblown non issue only because journalist need hits on their sites and blogs. It's no problem to report on it but this article is more of a give me attention rant.

[voodoopickle]

I want to knw more abut this "Den of Sin". can I use cartel coins for it? if the gay community gets there own planet I want my dirty whore house. and I bet it will be the cleanest, nicest planet in the galaxy and will actually be color coordinated. seriously, who cares. people read way too deep into shit

[Knux]

PR stunt or not, what Bioware did was beyond stupid.

[KrisButtar]

wow i cant believe some of these comments i have read, i dont know here they are from but its likely they are not from Canada. i wonder what some of these people would think if they found out that Canada hosts gay pride parade in most of are major cities. i have a couple friends who like to walk in it, and i have walked in it to support my friends and im straight. you know my friends dont hold that against me.

[CouldHaveYelledUiiW]

LOL,

Everyone complains about Homosexuals until the LESBIANS are shown...
...and they lock the basement door...