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Always-On DRM, Day-One DLC,Online Passes – What We Don’t Want to See in 2013

Overall, 2012 was a good year for games like Far Cry 3, Dishonored,The Walking Dead, on the other hand, certain games, trends became so ubiquitous that we hope to be rid of them for a good while.

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prototypeknuckles4114d ago

i can bet money that well still see a bunch of these, gamers just et it happen and dont care.

brish4113d ago

I think they care. A lot of gamers feel helpless about it but not all do.

I know a lot of people who got sick of the DRM on PC games and stopped buying them. The PC game industry started to shrink when they added intrusive DRM.

The vita has technology that makes used games, and sharing games a pain. It also limits the device to one psn account. The vita is failing in the market.

I predict that new games, and consoles will continue to do these things. The gaming market will continue to shrink and the industry will use this as justification to put even more DRM into their products alienating yet more of their customers reducing the market even further.

I expect the game market to crash in 2013, or 2014.

SAE4113d ago

I agree with you. i dont think they will stop doing these limitation because it gives them money and people buy them too . vita is the prototype for these things.

brish4113d ago

@IDeath489

"i dont think they will stop doing these limitation because it gives them money and people buy them too."

Less people are buying console games since the market started using more DRM.

The problem is those pesky pirates right? ... despite that there wasn't any piracy for the ps3 for the longest time and ps3 games typically undersold the xbox games which did have piracy. If pirates are to blame then why weren't ps3 sales significantly better than the xbox?

I know, it's bringing games over to friends places to play, and the used market must be the problem right? Now they have online/content passes which are required to enable portions of the game that are bound to a specific account. So of course adding these would fix everything right? Since passes were introduced the console market has been declining.

So if they add even more DRM like the vita has it will be a success right? There is a vita sitting about 15 feet away from me. A device that I can use any time I want ... but there is a problem. It's not mine. It belongs to someone else and it's bound to her account and always will be. I have playstation plus and could download games for it ... but it isn't bound to my account so I can't even put the games on it. She almost never plays games and won't likely be buying any. If the single account restriction wasn't in place I would buy a VITA game to try it out and if I liked it I might even buy my own VITA. I don't buy VITA games because of the DRM.

I know, it must be the economy right? People are spending less money on entertain in general right? If that were true than the movie industry would be in decline but it isn't.

There is something very wrong with the game industry right now. The industry likes to blame everyone from pirates, used games, game sharing, to the economy for their woes. There is no way anything they do could negatively affect sales, right?!

Who am I? I'm one of the millions of people who stopped buying PC games because of DRM. I moved over to the console market because it had far more sane DRM (can't copy the disc for the ps3). Then they added online passes. I used to buy 1 or 2 games a month which is significantly more than the average. Today I rarely buy games for the console anymore because I'm disgusted with what they are doing with the DRM for their products.

MikeMyers4113d ago

Just because it happened doesn't mean they don't care.

prototypeknuckles4113d ago

actually it does, if we dont support it then the company would back down and not use it, such as DRM with ubisoft people got pissed and ubisoft took it off, but online passes especially for single player games,makes no since, people dont speak up about it and a few gams have had it, not many but a few.

MikeMyers4113d ago

For the PC they have spoken which is why some publishers have now retracted their stance. There is only so much the consumer can do, companies like Sony now have online passes for their own games. So when I buy a used game I make sure my copy hasn't had the online access used or else I take the difference in price and use that to counter what it will cost me to unlock it. I also support GOG and other DRM free game services. I still haven't picked up Diablo III because the price is still too high IMO for a game that is online enabled for even single player. So yes, from my end I do care. I cannot speak for anyone else.

I will not buy digital games on Xbox Live or Playstation Network for example unless the price is lower than the physical format. I will not support online pricing if the price is the same as it is at retail. That is why I like Steam, the prices are much more competitive. If publishers want to take away the flexibility of the physical format then give me something in return like a lower price.

rainslacker4113d ago

No doubt you'll continue to see them. There is hope though as Ubisoft said they were cutting back on their DRM practices. It's safe to assume that others may as well, depending on the reasons Ubi did it.

Day-One DLC is just added revenue, so it'll likely never go away.

Online passes are a way to prevent, or at least recoup revenue from, the 2nd hand market, so they'll likely stay. Quite frankly a better solution to me than cutting out 2nd hand sales. Although I personally don't care for online passes.

SilentNegotiator4114d ago

Yes. I hate those things. Restricting the new buyers isn't the right way to fight used and piracy (the latter of which finds ways around anyway).

showtimefolks4113d ago

Let me tell you how to stop a lot of this non sense 2 way solution

1: gamers need to stop beng used copies at GameStop where they only save $5 from regular price.

2: publishers need to look at Sony with sly 4 and not charge full 60 for every game. Some games don't offer enough content to justify a full $60 price

So both sides are at fault. Used game business is a multi billion dollar business so publishers will find a way to take some of that piece of pie

animegamingnerd4113d ago

what if the game is out of print that is the problem with this war on use games

Cam9774113d ago

I agree with point 2 whereas I disagree with point 1; some gamers really need to save money, even if it is a measly $5.

SAE4113d ago

People buy and sell used things for hundreds of years. why is it wrong now ?. hiding these stuff to collect dust and no one play them just to give the companies more money is the wrong thing.

people sell for these reasons and many other reasons such as to bring back money and try new things by selling what they dont use / or just like what you said games are toooooooo expensive now so when they sell the used games they ذompensate for the loss..

Software_Lover4113d ago

If it weren't for the ability to buy/sell used items, we wouldn't have...........drum roll..

Used Car lots
Goodwill
Pawn Shops
Ebay
Consignment shops
Rent-to-own places (stupid commercials)

Imagine how many business would close down and how many more people would be out of work. People need to get off this and let consumers decide what they want to do with their own purchases.

I will say that because of the popularity of steam, although pc gamers couldn't share as fluently in the past because of install codes, it shows that if you have great prices people dont care.

000014113d ago (Edited 4113d ago )

more people should act like a broke college student, as i one, and dont deal with most of these gripes on the list. i wait if i know a game like Batman Arkham City will get a GOTY edition, just like im waiting now for a Borderlands 2 GOTY. that way you get all the dlc with the retail game at a $40 price tag, instead of just buying the retail game at full price and buying all of the dlc too. also i've become more patient over the past few years, i now only buy three games a year at the full $60 price tag, as much as it sucks, i now wait a couple months for a lot of games to just drop in price to at least $40 or $30 if im buying it new.

other than that im not a pc gamer so the always on drm isnt affecting me, so i dont have answers to solve that problem. and as far as day on dlc, just dont buy it, or that particular game if its a big deal to you, because it stupid to complain and then turn around only to support the game developers and publishers that continually do that to its fan base *cough* EA and Capcom *cough*. equally unless you are playing a game like COD, Halo, or Battlefield, it is pointless to purchase a season pass. season passes vary game to game as to whether its worth it or not.

Day one patches and shitty ports are just apart of gaming, not everything is perfect, so i think those two will be around to stay.

but i think with a costly hobby like gaming, whether you can afford spending a lot of cash or not, gamers should be more conservative with how they purchase games and dlc. i have too many mates who buy multiple AAA games when the come out only to take months to finish, whereas by then most of those titles have drop in price. just like movies, comics, and art, gamers need to show a bit more restraint rather than throwing cash at the companies like a titie bar dancer.

kagon014113d ago (Edited 4113d ago )

I'm glad I still avoid those kind games, too bad most "gamers" are fools that accept digital extortion unfortunately....

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70 percent of devs unsure of live-service games sustainability

With so many games fighting for players' attention and interest losing out over time, time sink games are at risk of eventually losing steam.

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thorstein1d 5h ago

It was worrisome to begin with.

It's a niche genre with only a handful of hits that can stand the test of time.

Cacabunga8h ago

I like the sound of that!! I will for sure never support these gaas games.
Sony must be shocked at gamer's reaction, making them cancel a few of these and hopefully go back to the good heavy hitters they had us used to..
now bring on that PSPro reveal and show us some SP 1st party awesomeness.

CrimsonWing691d 5h ago

What’s to be unsure of!? Look at the ratio of success to failure!

DarXyde12h ago

It's pretty ridiculous.

Imagine having a breadth of data at your disposal to see the statistically low success rate of these games, only to be laser focused on the exceptional case studies.

shinoff21831d 3h ago

Yes. Stop all the live service bs.

jznrpg1d 3h ago

Only a few will catch on. You need a perfect storm to be successful in GaaS and a bit of luck on top of that. But a potential cash cow will keep them trying and some will go out of business because of it.

MIDGETonSTILTS171d 3h ago

Helldivers 2 manages just fine…

Keep production costs low… don’t just make custscenes until the mechanics and enemies are perfected first.

Make so much content that you can drip extra content for years, and the game already feels complete without them.

Most importantly: make weapons, enemies, levels, and mechanics that will stand the test of 1000 hours. This might require more devs embracing procedurally generated leveled, which I think separates Helldivers 2 from Destiny’s repetitiveness.

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The Battle Pass Is The Worst Thing To Happen To Modern Gaming

Nameer from eXputer: "Some exceptions aside, I don't think the battle pass is a net positive for gaming with how they're implemented in most live service titles."

got_dam1d 7h ago

Battle passes AND meta gaming both.

DivineHand1251d 5h ago (Edited 1d 5h ago )

I like the way Helldivers 2 does battle passes. It allows you to make purchases on each level of the battle pass and gives you the option of choosing which item to unlock first. The more purchases you make using medals the further you progress. There is no timer and you can earn medals towards purchasing stuff via personal orders and Major orders.

I haven't played much live service games that have battle passes but I remember some games that have battle passes where you progress through it linearly using an exp system. What makes it really bad is that the battle pass will have like 50 or more levels with the cooler stuff being closer to the end. They also have an in-game shop that sells exp boosters so you can reach the end of the pass before it refreshes. Everyone ilse will have to grind their way through.

lucian2291d 4h ago

battle pass in fortnite is perfect; buy one and it buys the rest for every other season as it gives you more money than the first cost. so 8.50 and season ends with you getting 13.00, it pays for the next and you have some pocket change to save up for cash shop. All of which is optional

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PS5 Pro specs leak video taken down by Sony

Sony is taking actions as video by Moore’s Law is Dead, has been issued with a copyright claim.

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andy852d ago

And people say it's all fake because Sony haven't said anything 😂 conveniently forget the PS4 Pro was only announced 2 months before release.

BeHunted2d ago

It's fake. There's no factual evidence other than his own made up specs.

Hereandthere2d ago

What were the specks Sony was afraid of showing?

Shikoku1d 23h ago (Edited 1d 23h ago )

Digital foundry put a video out saying what he leaked was exactly what they also knew about the PS5 PRO. So no it's not just stuff he made up

Babadook71d 21h ago (Edited 1d 21h ago )

If it’s fake what copyright does MLID infringe upon?

😂

andy851d 20h ago

Aye because they'd go to the effort of copyright claiming it if it didn't exist 🙃😂 you'd have to be a special kind to be thinking its not a thing by now

Cacabunga1d 20h ago

They need to reveal it with uncharted killzone or a heavy hitter like this

Ironmike1d 20h ago (Edited 1d 20h ago )

U mean the specs that we'll established digital foundry which said these are the actual specs published a video on 2 weeks ago I mean they are only one of most trusted sites for tech information but they just made up a video for the sake of it

Christopher1d 6h ago

I would love for it all to be fake, but lots of people are saying they've seen/heard the same thing. But, man, we 100% don't need mid-gen upgrades when we're failing hard to optimize current hardware.

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Seraphim1d 1h ago (Edited 1d 1h ago )

if I recall Sony lowered sales expectations for PS5 earlier this year. if that is the case we won't hear anything about a Pro until next year or shortly before/when it's dropping. After all, if the Pro was dropping this year/fiscal year they wouldn't have lowered expectations.

As for squashing rumors. Yeah, shit like this prevents potential buyers from adopting now, just like slim rumors in the past. It only makes sense to keep things under wraps from a business perspective. Despite living in a technological age of unfettered access to information we don't need to know whats going on behind closed doors be that at Sony, Nintendo, MS, or amongst any development studios. When the steak is done we shall feast.

JackBNimble1d 1h ago

By the time games are actually made to take advantage of the pro spec's the ps6 will be released or close to it.

jznrpg2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

Just announce it already! I want to preorder one asap. But in reality they don’t want to lessen PS5 sales until Pro is ready to launch so I understand the business part of it. September is probably when they announce it with an early November launch like the PS4 Pro

Ironmike1d 20h ago

Pro won't lessen sales sames ps4 pro never and the ps4 pro was more relevant at the time cos move to 4k this not needed

RaidenBlack1d 13h ago (Edited 1d 13h ago )

Yea, my brother got his PS4 (coz of a good deal) after the PS4 Pro's release.

darthv721d 10h ago

^^same here. I got a base 4 for only $100 off a guy who bought the Pro. then a few months later I found a guy on craigslist selling a pro for $100 because it was left behind by his former roommate who moved out. That was the beginning of my obsession to buy up the different variants of the PS4 that were released.

As of now I am really only missing the 500m one and the gold slim but otherwise I have pretty much all the other retail ones. https://consolevariations.c...

BoneMagnus1d 8h ago

@darth - Nice collection!

crazyCoconuts1d 3h ago

Anyone with 4K that appreciates 60fps is gonna disagree about it not being needed.
DLSS is a god send for Nvidia, and there's been nothing like it for AMD...yet ...

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DeadlyFire1d 8h ago

They will announce it around E3 timeframe about May-June whenever they do a showcase for the year.

neutralgamer19921d 23h ago

Just announce it this thing will sell well

Ironmike1d 19h ago (Edited 1d 19h ago )

I don't think it will pll still haven't seen the potential of ps5 yet

Cacabunga1d 6h ago

agreed, but it might sell if they announce some 1st party games to lead the way. if people see the difference with the base version they can move on. for my sake I am still gaming mainly on PS4 (still not finished with RDR2 due to lack of gaming time). I have a huge backlog on PS5 I am hoping to get into.

mark3214uk1d 15h ago

why? game makers havnt even come close to maxing out current spec yet, were getting al lthese new TFlops and game maker are making crappy remakes not worthy of the ps3

Minute Man 7211d 10h ago

The guts of the 5 and X are 5 years old

fr0sty1d 3h ago

People keep saying that, yet we still have games running at near HD resolutions, 30fps, and ray tracing features turned off.

PRIMORDUS1d 20h ago (Edited 1d 20h ago )

I would take that video and upload a torrent of it, fuck that copyright bullshit. If your going to do something that has a chance of being taken down, make a torrent first share it. Then Sony or any other company is helpless and you can laugh in their faces, taunting them to try to take it down 🤣

LoveSpuds1d 14h ago

With kind of analysis and advice, you could be a lawyer for Trump!🤣

tronyx121d 13h ago

As much as the PS4 Pro didn't represent a major % in the playerbase, announcing a 'better' model will hinder sales from the 'base' model. They are right, business-wise.

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