PS4 and Xbox 720 Frostbite engine tech help sought by ‘Battlefield 3’ developer (Photos)

DICE, the developer behind “Battlefield 3,” today posted a job offer seeking a Senior Software Developer for next-generation systems like the PS4 and Xbox 720. Some of the job description mentions that the employee will be working as a part of an “AAA game team” with the “Frostbite engine tech.” You can check out some concept images of the PS4 and Xbox 720 from Yanko Design, as well as some pictures of what appears to the PS4 controller, in the slideshow at the top of this article and the details below (via D

[akaakaaka]

That looks sexy!
Ps4 can do 4k2k games Pew pew pew ahhhhh I got exited sorry XD

[ThatHappyGamer]

4K resolution is not gonna happen for games, maybe for movies. 1080p + 60FPS is what we gonna get for games.

[DeadlyFire]

Well if Sony/Microsoft can push 3-5 Tflops out of a console then yes 4K will happen at 30fps for the consoles. Top PC cards can push current games at 20-25 fps. On a console platform with same 4ish Tflops and optomization we could easily see 4K at 30 fps. That makes 1080p + 60 FPS not only possible, but definite if 4K is their aim.

[stragomccloud]

@Deadly fire
No, because the average consumer will never have 80" tvs.

[tee_bag242]

You guys thinking 4k @ 60 fps is going to happen on the consoles keep buying into false hope.
You obviously don't realize HDMI cables and ports are bandwidth limited at this point in time.
If a PC has the grunt, they have the option to push that res and framerate because monitors can use the higher bandwidth m-DVI and dual m-DVI. This doesn't happen on TV's. The 4K TV's still only support sub 30 fps,
Honestly, Sorry to poo poo on your dreams but you should do some research on it before you talk nonsense.

[Leviathan]

@ tee_bag: You have a point. That's why Sony invented a new wireless HDMI called DPconnect. Wireless.

http://cdn2-b.examiner.com/...

But you would probably have known that if you ACTUALLY READ THE ARTICLE!

[Ryto]

@Leviathan
That picture is a bunch of crap.
You aren't getting 4k native games. There is no demand for that technology, majority of consumers have only just adjusted to HD, no one is going to buy £40000 sets, even in 10 years they aren't feasible.

So before you blow of crap websites that a 10 year old has mocked up, go on reliable technology -non- sensationalist sites for accurate information, and if you cant handle that simply google BBC news.

[DoomeDx]

Were not gonna get 60FPS. Believe me.
People still want to squeesh out as much juice as possible out of the console. So expect great looking games, in 30 FPS. there will be more 60fps games, definatly! But the graphical beasts will remain 30 FPS, but in 1080p.

[Leviathan]

@ Ryto: Hdmi 2.0 is slated to be released very soon. Based on HDMI Forum meetings it is expected that WIRELESS HDMI 2.0 will increase the maximum TMDS per channel throughput from 3.4 Gbit/s to 6 Gbit/s which would allow a maximum total TMDS throughput of 18 Gbit/s.This will allow HDMI 2.0 to support 4K resolution at 60 frames per second. Other features that are expected for HDMI 2.0 include support for 4:2:0 chroma subsampling, support for 25 fps 3D formats, improved 3D capability, support for more than 8 channels of audio, support for the HE-AAC and DRA audio standards, dynamic auto lip-sync, and additional CEC functions.

Before you guys call bullsheep, why don't you do a little truth digging of your own.

[kneon]

@tee_bag242

HDMI 1.5 is supposed to be released soon and I'm sure that will address any bandwidth issues.

[tubers]

Devs like to put more geometry and other effects. I bet we're still heading to 1280x720 land @ 30 fps but a good trade off for games that would look more amazing.

I bet 1080p@60 FPS is more likely to be reserved for "PS3 Classics".

[tee_bag242]

@ kneon. HDMI 1.5 may very well be getting released soon, but it doesn't change the fact that 99% of HDTV's HDMI ports are still infact bandwidth limited.
A HDTV display can still only receive a input of 1080p @ 60 fps or a 3D input of 1080p at 24 fps.
HDTV's having an 200Htz + refresh rate is a totally different thing, that internal processing. They still can't receive the higher bandwidth

[morkendo23]

from the photos

ps4 look like SMALL!!!! google box tv box,controllers with BALLS at the end???. 720 look barely unchanged with infer-red light (kinect) i'll hold onto my ps3 hope for the best.
not impress one bit with next GEN consoles.

[DeadlyFire]

You do know those are concept photos of the consoles. Not confirmed design. The controllers are from patents, but not confirmed to be only way to play. Likely Dualshock 4 will appear for PS4. If its not broke don't fix it. I don't see why anyone wants the controller to change.

[FragMnTagM]

I know that I would like to see a change to the PS3 controller.

I have never like Sony's controller.

The Power A controller I got for the PS3 has increased my playing ten fold compared with Sony's DS3.

I don't use the tips of my thumbs or I have to bend them at extreme angle on the DS3 in order to not slap them together every five seconds.

In case you hadn't noticed, I got long fingers and I just can't get used to the controller no matter how I hold it.

I got this: http://static.bdasites.com/... for my son and I can use it just fine. The reason being, that the sticks are seperated and it allows my thumbs not to slam into each other.

I actually like that small controller as I get a quicker response time due to the buttons being closer to the sticks and plan on getting one for myself.

At the very least Sony should release two different versions of the DS4, or just make the sticks interchangeable with the D pad.

[Hellsvacancy]

Im not liking the looks of the PS4 controller

[Raoh]

Neither am I, I hate the 360 controller layout, love the size but hate the analog stick positions. I have a 360 controller for my pc and my left thumb starts to hurt after long gaming runs.

[Sp1d3ynut]

Wuss....

[Raoh]

I love that people disagree with what happens to me as if they are here with me.

[TheGamerDood]

These devs are no longer playing coy I guess, :D Bring on next gen baby!

[ATi_Elite]

Hey that's pretty cool....Dual shock controller comes apart and now you got a Move controller! That's pretty slick!

4K Games ha ha ha, not happening! Oh your gonna play 4K games on your 720p TV cause 4K TV's cost $20,000!

Next Gen will brag about 4k and will deliver just as many 4K AAA games as this Gen delivered AAA 1080p games which is ZERO!!!!

Oh and 4K TV's cost $20,000 so while your hitting the disagree button remember that 4K TV's cost $20,000 and there currently is NO media or broadcast in 4K resolution for those $20,000 TV's!

So just be happy with 1080p @ 60fps!

[shutUpAndTakeMyMoney]

Let 4k go.... Noone is buy a $20k tv and sony knows that.

[GraveLord]

Nintendo thought the same about HD. Look what happened.

[rbjmaster]

They sold the most consoles ?

[XB1_PS4]

@gravelord I bought a 26" HD TV just after my xbox, it cost $650 at the time. There is no such thing as a small 4kTv which means they will always be in the multi thousands of dollars. They're not a viable target for a console market.

[nirwanda]

Both consoles are very likely to do what MS did this gen with a chip that will scale to a 4k res.

[hazardman]

im trying to figure out how theyre gonna scale 4k res on 1080p display, and how you thought of it.. to me it makes no sense.

[Hozi]

The only thing we should expect is to be let down. Sony and MS live in a fantasy world and only when their consoles are out on shelves do they wake up and say
"oh shit, we screwed up big time, lets try and fix this mess quickly"

all I'm saying is you have to know by now that is SONY says it will support 4k at 60fps, then we will only get half of that and only some games might be 60fps. M$ too!So if games will really run at 60fps and be in completely 1080p but look like the agnis philosophy tech demo. I will be a very happy gamer.

[akaakaaka]

Most of you guys act like lil 13 year old getting their menstruation wow.

Ok 4k tv are expensive because the ones that are on sale are 83" and is a technology for rich people.
Eveb 1080p83" or 100" are super expensive.

4k tvs wil be made in 32" and up and the price eventually will come down to price and I don't mind gaming bext gen ganes on my 1080p tv because it will also look amazing in it to until I decide to get a 8k tv
Yes tvs will be 8k but for movies only and 2k or 4k will be tge native for ganes. Just like this gen 720p was the native for ganes and 1080p the bative for movie's ..

[rainslacker]

The price will come down, but will it come down in time to make it relevant for the next generation's life span? I could see it in the PS5 or next nextBox, but a year or so from now? No.

HDTV's were already down to around $700 for a basic model when the PS3 launched, so it was already relevant to this gen. I know this because I brought my PS3 and HDTV on the same day. That $700 TV I brought as a floor model for $400, and only just replaced it 2 days ago.

HDTV also had more hype, and while not everyone saw the benefit over SD, the difference was clear enough to make a lot of people want it. This just isn't going to be the case with 4K, as the differences are much less noticeable.

[KangarooSam]

Cool concept designs. Still hoping Sony doesn't follow through with the split dualshock/move thing, it doesn't look that appealing. But the second gen bluray discs sound sweeeet. So excited.

[Riderz1337]

Why not? It can be used for some amazing gameplay for games such as Skyrim. Imagine having one side being used as a sword and the other as a shield. That would be epic for you to control the blocking/attacking.

[TheGamerDood]

Exactly. Who cares what it looks like all that matters is how it improves gameplay.

[Hozi]

Umm, we have the Move for that. Oh wait a sec, Bethesda didn't make it compatible with move? too bad, I doubt they would take the time to program their games for a new split style controller.

[rainslacker]

@Hozi

They might if it was standard on the system. However I hope if the controller does do something like this then it has those balls smaller or detachable, because that looks rather distracting to me. I also hope they don't force motion control into early games to prove it's necessary(ahem...Lair).

[Godchild1020]

I like the way the Dev kit concept art of the next Xbox looks. It looks really sleek and smooth.

As for the PS4, I hope they don't change the controller button layout. I'm one of the many PlayStation 3 owners that prefer that controller layout. Also, please, Sony don't force move down your Consumer's throats. We might end up rebelling.

[Riderz1337]

Holy shit "blu ray Deuce" holds up to 3 times more data. Hope this is true cause then open world games can become massive.

[MultiConsoleGamer]

Zero truth.

"Next generation systems." Does not mention PS4 or Xbox 720.

Slide show images are all bad fakes.

[2pacalypsenow]

Why does everyone call it xbox 720?

[mwjw696]

The real code name is Durango, but saddly the internet has coined the term 720 and it stuck. Thats why everyone calls it that. Microsoft has even came out to the media saying they have not picked a name yet and they have never called it 720.

[WetN00dle69]

Supposedly the actual codenames are Kryptos for the new Xbox. While the new codename for the Ps4 is Thebes.

[hazardman]

had to laugh a that.. it is not Durango. if you had been following up on the next gen. you would know that codename for new xbox and ps4 is kryptos and orbis. people started calling it xbox 720 by doing some simple math is all.

[mwjw696]

@Hazardman You idiot no one knows the real code name IGN is calling it durango, and OXM thinks its Krypto (supermans dog?) and Orbis is the CPU name. Dont call people out when its all quess work at this point like its some common knowledge. A-hole!

http://www.ign.com/wikis/xb...

[bobshi]

Actually, it is (or was at some point) Durango.

Ask this guy; he should know he is working on the UI for it.

http://www.linkedin.com/pub...

"I am currently working on the NextGen Xbox dash creating prototypes as per the Durango design team."

[PhantomT1412]

Because 360*2=720

[onandonandon]

Because it's easier than writing 'the next xbox' or whatever! Really don't see what the issue is!

[jak27]

That Xbox looks so real

[YoungPlex]

Xbox looks about the right size but I'm a little worried if the PS4 is really that compact. Either way both look sexy and will be mine!

[nunley33]

There are those rumors the next xbox will just be named xbox, that's already been done though. It was being called prestige in that photo slideshow, they might as well call it that when so many will only play COD on it. Someone had told me several months ago the PS4 controller had a screen on it. Sounds pretty cool using it to change system settings or whatever even in-game. Wonder if bluray duece will go to xbox but, i've seen the durango dev kits sporting a bluray drive though.

[PhantomT1412]

Prestige sounds more like a model or version of the console, like the "Premium" version of the Wii U.

[hazardman]

i was thinking MS made a deal to have COD exclusive to Xbox when i saw prestige on photo.

[rainslacker]

I highly doubt it will be called the 720. That's just the common term used in forums because it's simple and progressive.

It likely will have a second name, and will be tailored to whatever MS plans are for the system. If they make that final push to become a living room box among the mainstream then expect something that would appeal to those consumers. If they decide to go hardcore with it, then it will be something that is gamey.

I remember Infinity being thrown out a while back. Don't know what I think of that though.

[jlemdon]

Can't wait to see all the new tech demo's from Frostbite,Capcom, and Konami

[seanpitt23]

If the ps4 did look like that then I would be happy but from the pics it does look a little small to fit all the next gen tech in but pics can be deceiving.

[RuleofOne343]

I will take 2 Xbox's ? please .

[seanpitt23]

Cannot wait for E3 2013 its going to be the biggest EVER

[WitWolfy]

Hearing that never gets old

[nunley33]

It will be one megaton surprise after the other, 2 hrs of the most epic awesomeness you've ever seen ^_^.

[isyourhouseonfire]

Hopefully they're hiring a whole new team after seeing the disaster of Battlefield 3. The next gen games need to be done right.

[Th3 Chr0nic]

ihopeyourhouseisonfire bf3 is a great game. go ask the thousnads playing now. if they can hear you over the crys of their enemies and the ratatatatat of their guns that is

[Th3 Chr0nic]

the PS4 looks like a router and a tad ugly.
the 720 looks too much like a slim360

i hope these designs arent close to the final products

[stone_cold]

so we have pc gamer here

[Th3 Chr0nic]

haha how did you know

[nunley33]

You know those pics are just photoshop artist renderings of what they could look like. If they were real, then it would be big news. Both systems will look better than those when they're revealed within the next 6 months.

[Th3 Chr0nic]

thats why i said "i hope these designs arent close to the final products"

[rainslacker]

Agree with you on the 720. The PS4 looked pretty sleek, although I don't think I like that catty cornered loading slot. Front is always the most useful for the majority of consumers. Still these aren't official designs, and they will probably look nothing like that. Sony generally makes pretty sleek products.

[stone_cold]

PS4 looks awesooome
i hope next-gen consoles have a good price

[lazyboyblue]

wheres the drive on that xbox?

[mochachino]

I'd love for PS4 to drop the old Dual Shock design.

The only reason I bought the majority of my multiplats on 360 instead of PS3 is due to my dislike of the DS3 controller. It's over 15 years old, I think it's time for a redesign to catch up to advancements in ergonomics.

[Leviathan]

I'm the opposite. If they get rid of the ds3 style I'll just quit playing video games altogether. I HATE the xbox controller.

[bobshi]

Same here.

I know of a fair few people who have Xboxs and prefer the PS3 controller.

Even YouTube numpties like Ali-A prefers it. And he has loads of kids watching his crap.

[DJ]

The DS3 needs to be redesigned. The Xbox 360 controller is far more comfortable. As for 4K resolution, games are going to stay far away from that. 2K is perfectly fine. All we really need is proper anti-aliasing and motion blur.

[nunley33]

I think most playstation fans like and prefer the DS3, its a very iconic controller just like the NES gamepad. The biggest complaint i've heard of it are of the triggers ( L2/R2 ) buttons. I wouldn't be opposed to the idea of it getting updated through changing those or the sticks too.

[Roccetarius]

I just hope the 720 doesn't include Kinect (Spycam) or is a digital only system. Also, they should stick with the current controller.

If it's a digital only system, then that's a new hobby for me.

[ajax17]

Damn it! I just want to be frozen until E3 2013!

[gninja92]

the digital only push by all devs is not a good thing for the consumer. right now red dead redemption a game that is 2.5 years old is $30 on the xbox store. i can find the GOTY version for $25 on the internet from second hand sales. if digital only is the thing of the future then prices in games need to see a sharp decline.

[Roccetarius]

If the prices are going to see a sharp decline, then they'll only sell you 1 / 4th of it. I wouldn't be surprised if they did that.

[hazardman]

true that...but what happens to those with no internet.

[gninja92]

oh whatever. i thin 2002-2009 was the golden age of gaming as those were the days when the best games released without and gimmicks. like day one dlc or online passes. or pre-order dlc. or any dlc other than ones who came out months later. nowadays they all wanna throw you under a bus for another $10

[gninja92]

a comment from the custome rsupport team " oh im sorry sir but you must have an internet connection to play the game, it sora goes without saying att his point in time when its kinda a requirement out of pure expectancy with how far the tech industry has progressed, you need ot have internet". thank you and have a nice day. is there anything else i can help you with?
ME: yeah unlock the bullshit no-internet=no gameplay lock.

[gninja92]

a comment from the custome rsupport team " oh im sorry sir but you must have an internet connection to play the game, it sorta goes without saying att his point in time when its kinda a requirement out of pure expectancy with how far the tech industry has progressed, you need ot have internet". thank you and have a nice day. is there anything else i can help you with?
ME: yeah unlock the bs no-internet=no gameplay lock.

[gninja92]

a comment from the custome rsupport team " oh im sorry sir but you must have an internet connection to play the game, it sora goes without saying att his point in time when its kinda a requirement out of pure expectancy with how far the tech industry has progressed, you need ot have internet". thank you and have a nice day. is there anything else i can help you with?
ME: yeah unlock the bullshit no-internet=no gameplay lock.

[th3n00bg4m3r]

The pictures aren't real, are they?

[nunley33]

No they're not real, just mock-ups from artist renderings. The real systems will look differently when they're revealed sometime between april-june.

[NicSage]

I just hope they turn my Vita into the WiiU Gamepad.

[DivineAssault]

hmmm.. theres no telling what to believe anymore.. just gotta wait & see

[wiiulee]

lol..how silly after coming last this generation , doesnt seem like sony and microsoft learn any lessons....ps2 was the weakest system before...its about innovation and games....4k resolution are they going to be buying those tvs for most households too..

[metroidfusion2]

Ha ha lol 2k or 4k for games is not happening maybe and I mean MAYBE a 2d side scroller but the ps4 and 720 or whatever other name will be doing native 720p and 60fps and native 1080p and 60fps just like the wii u and yes the wii u as of now has 10 native 1080p and 60fps games and im sure more are coming and o my bad should be doing that and 2k and 4k for movies and tv I'm sure that's a possibility ha ha lol why do people belive rumors like they are fact ha ha lol what a bunch of dumbasses lol

[XboxInnovation]

The frostbite engine is garbage

[bobshi]

But I thought the Frostbite engine was made with the next-gen in mind.

Isn't that what all the COD hating BF loving people told us about a year ago when BF was going up against MW3?

Why would they need help now?