We don't need the Xbox 720 and PlayStation 4

GameZone writes, "It's an inevitable truth that we will see new gaming consoles from Microsoft and Sony sometime in late 2013. My view may be the minority, but I don't think we need a new Xbox or PlayStation console, unlike some people in the industry. I'm sure a lot of gamers want a new console just because it's something new to own, but I have a few problems with new consoles and the argument for them. Before you completely write me off, just let me explain my point of view."

[Hatsune-Miku]

Speak for yourself. Core gamers need next gen consoles the ps4 and xbox 720. I've wanted these new consoles since over a year ago and I'm looking forward to the upgraded tech of everything to enhance realism

[LOGICWINS]

No one NEEDS consoles. That would suggest that you require them to survive. WANTING next-gen consoles is a different story.

If your a core gamer, then you would understand that upgraded tech and enhanced realism come at the expense to greater development costs. The more a game costs to make, the less creative leeway devs will be given because publishers will want them to focus on creating guaranteed hits(Halo, COD, Halo imitator, COD imitator etc.)

[zebramocha]

@logic Then explain crysis1? And I heard that games start out with these high poly character then made to run on consoles.

[JoGam]

Dude your comment...needs, wants....it ain't that deep.

[scotchmouth]

Jogam wins this round

[ozzywazzy]

@logic

Obvious and unnecessary. Stop trying so hard. Its clear your not a learned man.

[nrvalleytime]

@ozzywazzy

2 Thoughts:

1. I've seen LOGICWINS make insightful comments in several forums and discussions. Don't accuse someone based on one statement and without actually addressing what he has said.

2. Speaking of learned - It's, not its. And you're, not your.

[Anon1974]

Logicwins couldn't be more spot on. It takes tremendous resources for developers to push hardware and even this gen, few developers can do it effectively. New hardware isn't suddenly going to change that because the hardware isn't the bottleneck for most devs.

And, like logic stated, the more money that becomes invested in a product, the less chances will be taken. We don't only see this in videogames. Many in the movie industry have commented in the past how ballooning budgets rob them of their creative freedom as everyone becomes involved to try to protect their investments. Video games aren't different in that regard. Even when the new gen arrives, don't expect too much.

[R6ex]

I could no longer wait for the PS4 & Xbox 720, so I dumped my PS3 and Xbox 360 for a high-end PC last year. Everything looks so much better!

[ILive]

Its not the developers, but the people who consistently buy the cod and the halo's. Publishers would always play it safe when they know people are going to jump on the perpetual sequels without thinking " hey didn't I just play this last year and the year before."

[Hydrolex]

YESSSSSSS We don't need those crappy consoles

all We need is WII U ! It's perfect.... NOTTTTTTTTTTTTTT

[ShaunCameron]

Not just that but also the fact that the core market is stagnant which means even if the game does sell, a good portion of whatever revenue it generates will get eaten up by the costs resulting in less profit. And this is why the industry NEED the casual crowd.

[Razmossis]

GTAV and MGS Ground Zeroes.

^^ Right now I couldn't care less about "next-gen".

[pixelsword]

The key is if the software language is coded as efficiently as is can be for the technology they serve.

Since there was no breakthrough in hardware that allowed the use of GPGPU techniques, GPGPU coding can be done on the PS3 and 360 as well as the Wii U. The bad part is (and good part[in terms of extending the console life]) GPGPU as we know it has not been utilized on any console in a large way much at all at this time. In a way, on the PS3 is has been done more, but just in reverse in that the "GP" of the GPGPU has been done on the Cell and not the RSX (GPU).

The problem is that a lot of games haven't been optimized for use on the cell processor; which is why you get games like Black ops that isn't really as graphics intensive as a game like, say God of War, but doesn't run as efficiently when compared with God of War. The first big secret of the cell is that you run all of the heavy work through the cell, you would have plenty of ram for other things to do just like Julian Eggebrecht said... but the second theoretical part is that even when you do that, if after you run everything through the Cell you apply principles of GPGPU techniques to the RSX you should be able to have games that should be able to do the fabled 1080p, 60fps on games larger than the boards of Lair with no problem.

This is best guess here, but IF (a huge-frickin' if) someone comes up with an algorithm or efficient enough code to streamline the physics code and/or vector calculations coming to the cell to the degree that the code can ignore the RSX altogether (what I think the ultimate purpose of having the Cell-RSX setup was in the first place) you should have very efficient numerical data coupled with graphics code that has been bounced from the cell back to the RSX to be manipulated as GPGPU code, which should run very fast and even better with a higher resolution.

Basically, Cell for all of the math (if possible) RSX, ram for everything else (which should give you an even larger playground once GPGPU principles are applied).

[kupomogli]

@nrvalleytime

Not to be of any offense, while the word and can be capitalized and used at the beginning of a sentence, your usage of the word is not one of those times.

Everyone makes mistakes. I'm sure that I've made a mistake or two in this very post.

[nrvalleytime]

@kupomogli

Grammar side, the word "and" can be used as I used it above for emphasis. Intentional fragments are rarely used, but I was purposeful above.

You're right, however - everyone makes mistakes. My issue pertained more to the spirit of the message. The grammar was just a bonus. :-)

[Felinox]

I remember when I saw Battlefield 3 on a gameing rig. That's when I was ready.

[Hellsvacancy]

Just look how crappy AC3 looks on the PS3, I knew then that id had enough of this gen

Im going to buy a PC after Xmas Ive decided

[Gazondaily]

Agreed. When I first booted up BF3 on my PC and played (Damavand Peak was the map), my jaw hit the floor. I couldn't believe it.

In fact, I'm off to play it now lol.

[Godmars290]

Devs might "need" faster processors and more RAM, simpler system architecture, to deliver on promises made this gen which went quickly forgotten, but gamers have pretty much proven they'll take whatever they're given.

People wouldn't have bitched about Kinect, Blu-ray and an UD-DVD add on among other crap otherwise.

[Genuine-User]

Blu-ray is crap?

[Godmars290]

The attitude towards it. That community and even industry negativity still lingers towards it.

[GuyThatPlaysGames]

Think about it, even if the games were more "realistic" as you would say, the core gameplay is failing. Look at all the graphical powerhouse games. Almost all have failed once people look past the shiny new graphics. Only childish people want the next shiniest thing to look at but will be the first to complain when they realize the games suck. Answer this, what is something that can be done on next gen that just can't possibly be done right now??

[Conzul]

Watch Dogs.

[MysticStrummer]

It's funny that anyone agreed with Conzul since Watch Dogs will be on current consoles. The question is what can be done next gen that can't be done now on consoles. Graphics fall into the shiny object category that Mike mentioned. A better answer would be Planetside 2 or BF3 with the bigger maps and player count.

[TBlank20]

Exactly! You spoke my mind.

[aquamala]

Look at BF3, AC3, Far Cry 3 on a gaming PC and tell me you don't want that on a console!

[bloodybutcher]

sure we do!at least i do.but i would settle for current gen visuals, just with more ram.6gb would be good already, compering to what we have now on consoles.

[vortis]

Also, how about games like DayZ and Planetside 2? Big games that are memory hogs because of how much content they have on-screen at once?

We can't have nice things on consoles like that until we get new hardware. So yeah, I want new hardware.

[2pacalypsenow]

Next consoles wont look that good those game require high end cards to max out and those cards cost around 300-400$

[Ares84HU]

Whoever wrote this I got something to tell you:

You don't need to buy next-gen consoles when they come out. You can stick with X360 and PS3 for the rest of your life but we both know that you will be first in line next year the get either one of the next-gen consoles buddy.

[geddesmond]

Yeah same here. Its funny cause if fools who write articles like this take a look at games like Far Cry 3 on consols and then see the game run on maxed out settings for the PC would they still say we don't need next gen or that graphics and performance ain't everything.

[miDnIghtEr20C_SfF]

Title should be... "Why I don't want the Durango or PS4."

[Amsterdamsters]

Being a "core gamer" has absolutely nothing to do with "needing" prettier graphics. If the next Xbox or PS don't add something other than prettier graphics that is actually useful in the game playing experience, then we don't "need" those systems...though, you might "want" them.

[NintyJazz]

PC games now probably have better graphics than what the ps4 or 720 have.
Not a fanboy, not even a pc gamer, just saying the truth.

[Axonometri]

says you

[tachy0n]

nothing lasts forever.

[Eazy-Eman]

and we both know hearts can change

[bloodybutcher]

and it's hard to hold a candle

[Hanuman]

in the cold november November rain.

We've been through this such a long long time
just...

[nrvalleytime]

tryin' to kill the pain

But lovers always come and lovers always go

[Wintersun616]

@nrvalleytime,

Sorry to be the combobreaker, but in this case

"But haters always come and haters always go"

would be more appropriate considering the title of this opinion piece of shit.

[NYC_Gamer]

I'm very much looking forward to upgraded hardware and features...PS4/720 will be good for developers since they would have more power to work with.

[Riggans42]

Is it a good thing for them? Or will more games be rushed and we'll see super HD remakes of old games. I want new consoles, but I also want devs and pubs to change their practices.

[LOGICWINS]

What we're going to see is a lot of JRPG devs/publishers(Sega, Level 5, Altus) moving to the PS Vita. Altus has already showed much interest in the console(P4: The Golden) because dev costs remain low. The Yakuza/Persona series have proven that a game doesn't need the latest tech to be incredible.

The next-gen will be more money focused than any other generation to date. Online multiplayer will be shoehorned into more games and we'll be seeing much more season passes.

[Cyb3r]

I think that its about time now for PS4 and next Xbox

[Eyeco]

yes realistically all 3 next gen consoles should have been released by now, let alone revealed

[aviator189]

I don't know...I've had like ~$500 saved up for next-gen since the past year. In short, I'm ready.

[BanBrother]

A whole $500????

You sir, are greedy. Share the love /s

[aviator189]

Well, I've got to buy a launch game or two with the system. :p

[shutUpAndTakeMyMoney]

Then don't buy one. I will though..

[MilkMan]

Id have to agree with you 100% EXCEPT, I DO want to play certain games that each of these companies hold. Id like to play Gears of War (maybe if its better than 3) so that's M$' Xbox, I'd like to Play God of War, Uncharted and Infamous and the Heavy Rains of PlayStation and of course I love the great games of Nintendo AND their third party games that "somehow" no one spoke of this gen, but were there. So unless we can get a unified system.. I'm afraid we have to get them all.

Now I hear Apple and Valve want some also. LMAO.
Yeah....better get a 2nd and 3rd jobs.

[sway_z]

The writer of this article is correct in stating we don't 'NEED' new consoles....

...But WE damn sure 'WANT' em!

Bring on the next gen ASAP....and hurry up already ;)

[Treian]

Because one article represents all of the gaming community right...

[sandman224]

It's been long enough. I can say that I want a new Xbox/ps4. It has been way to long let the gamers decide we all want new hardware. I know the wii u just came out and to me throwing a touchscreen controller isn't cutting edge tech. I want to hear that next gen games look better than pc games. Bring it on Microsoft. Show us what you can do

[seanpitt23]

Looking how bad farcry3 is on ps3 for eg the draw distance is shocking we really do need new consoles now

[sway_z]

FC3 is not so bad technically....the draw distance is awesome for a console 6 years old, way better than Skyrims and many other comparable games.

Far Cry 3 is siiiick!

*Just seen your comment, okay no worries...edited :)

[seanpitt23]

No iam not trolling I only have a ps3 and never bought a Xbox so I can only judge the ps3 version and don't get me wrong it looks ok but you can deffo tell we need new consoles

[Jumper09]

lol clean ur glasses pls. Far cry 3 on consoles runs horrible. 25fps max and 15fps in fights. That is horrible.
Farcry 3 is one of the games that shows that we need new Hardware.

[Oh_Yeah]

Yeah..far cry 3 doesnt look that great on ps3, a bit blurry and jagedy. Still game of the year.

[FarCryLover182]

I NEED and WANT it.

[Kamikaze]

right,we dont NEED new consoles but its a good opportunity to catch up on new hardware and for better features so in a way we kinda need them.us

[Kyosuke_Sanada]

If the sins of the this generation doesn't carry on to the next than I am all for a new one.....

[FarCryLover182]

Sins as in DLC, preorder bonuses, etc?

I don't think those are going anywhere :/

[ME1989]

Lmao, wtf is this?

Yes, yes we do need them. Tell that to the countless number of devs saying we desperately need new consoles.

[brbobcat]

Those are the devs that can't find a way to make $$. They are using "old consoles" as an excuse for their poor product.

Do you honestly think games will become more fun or exciting with better graphics?

[liquidhalos]

No i dont think graphics will make the games more fun and exciting but more resources available to use for physics and AI sure as heck will

[hiphopisdead]

yes... better visuals are always better... i dont know what to say dude... but how does better visuals not equal more fun? are you opposed to higher resolution screens? bluray? cg in movies? or are you happy with VHS quality puppeteering special effects movies?

[brbobcat]

@hiphopisdead

Yes, I am opposed to CG in movies. Look at what it has done to the quality of movies...Battleship, Transformers, the new Star Wars films.

Sure, better graphics can sometimes be nice in video games, but until developers learn innovation than sales will continue to slump.

[hiphopisdead]

@brbobcat

it doesn't sound like you are opposed to cg in movies... it sounds like you're opposed to bad movies trying to use cg to make it better.

inception has cg, lord of the rings, avatar, jurassic park, star trek, 300, matrix 1, ... they are all awesome.

CG is not the problem... bad everything else is the problem... and if everything else is awesome! the visuals can kill it if it sucks... so really... you need everything to be perfect.

[hiphopisdead]

@brbobcat

to add... are you saying you would have liked Battleship if it weren't for the cg? haha... that movie had failure written all over it. CG had nothing to do with it sucking.

Personally i think movies like star trek and 300 were awesome with cg... and even if you find a recent movie you like... chances are you'd prefer to watch it in HD or the theater.

And if you're one of those people that wait for a movie to come out on DVD and watch it on their old 480i/p setup... then all the power to you.

[SprigganN4G]

yes, we do. it's called PROGRESS, end of story.

[taquito]

since they will be a huge DOWNGRADE from the pc i play on right now, no, i don't really need them, but i still want them

i want new fresh console ip's (i still get them on the pc all the time) but my consoles don't even get turned on more than 3 times a year, why would they, 95% of the games are multiplat, they look 10x better on pc

i did play halo 4 for a week, and starhawk for a month, that is the extent of my console gaming this year

so, no, i could totally get by without ps4/nextbox, but i still want them, even though i know for sure, next gen consoles will have nothing on a current gen pc

[MysticStrummer]

Today's PC ass kissing brought to you by Tampax.

[Zha1tan]

Im already in the next gen baby.

[Erdrick]

the graphical leaps from console generation to generation are decreasing exponentially - i mean graphics are fairly realistic now, so it's impossible for the next 15 years to have the equivalent leaps from NES days to PS3.

[hiphopisdead]

totally disagree... there are a few generations you're missing between NES and PS3. The difference between PS2 and PS3 will be just as big a jump IMO as PS3 and PS4.

as far as comparing the platforms using screenshots that fill up half your screen... you will still notice a difference... but the difference will be even more if the screenshot was actually 1080p! better yet... even more of a difference if you're watching the VIDEOS running at FULL 1080p.

[OC_MurphysLaw]

The realities are .....most people want more than just a game console at this point. PC gaming is making a resurgence and one of the bigger reasons is your pc no longer is stuck being in the office for many. Laptops and pc rigs are now 100% easier to hook to your TV's and get that big screen experience. multi tasking, playing high end games on your 50 inch TV all equates to what the mass consumer is now looking for in their game experience. Smany consumers have bought expensive huge screen TV's they want/expect to use them...and PC's are bridging that gap (big picture mode is another step in that direction).

Consoles have moved in the multi media direction, and they have had a degree of success in doing that. both the PS3 & 360 have media functions, web browsing, etc...HOWEVER... while the PC does all of these things pretty effortlessly consoles currently are merely able to do one thing at a time and that is directly related to their limited hardware and RAM. They still play great games...but its not simple to swap back and forth between Uncharted 3, Netflix and you web browser...its load screen after load screen to swap between the 3.

This is where new console hardware will evolve. The realities are Nintendo currently and MS and Sony will be launching boxes that are closer to PC's than ever before. And they have to be to survive.

[That-Guy]

"No one will need more than 637 kb of memory for a personal computer" said Bill Gates, and look at where we are now. This author is just ignorant.

[cee773]

Gates really said that? lol

shows his lack of vision.

such an ignorant comment stupid Gates!

[mechlord]

THis is like saying *We dont need i3,5 and 7s because we ve got coreduo, dualcore, pentium 4s and the gang....*

[hiphopisdead]

it's time for an upgrade in tech.

bottom line, PS3 can barely handle rendering games in 720p let alone upscale to 1080p. and when it does, it sacrifices a lot. Aliasing shadow clipping lighting issues. True 1080p games should look as clear and smooth as a pixar blu ray movie - 60fps at full native 1080p, and looking beautiful with Anti aliasing tessellation hd lighting ray tracing etc... that would be awesome! Some compare games like Battlefield or crysis on ps3 and pc and say "they look similar, why upgrade". But that's so incorrect. There is a huge difference, and instead of comparing screenshots that fills up half your screen, compare by playing the game on a high end PC vs PS3 and you'll quickly notice the difference.

Consoles are relatively cheap (vs. iphone fanboys that pay $700 a year for a new phone). Buying 1 console every 7 years is not "too soon".

And once all our hardware is updated, developers will not have to port to a lesser playing field, and games will just start looking even better. Game engines will be upgraded as developers slowly develop less and less for the ps3 and xbox360.

bring on the new tech!

[Kidmyst]

I want the next gens of Sony and MSFT to come but don't want to pay more than $60.00 for a game. With each gen upgrade comes more expensive games and in some cases nicer looking but much shorter games. If after this long, devs like Bethesda and Ubisoft still have issues making games, what can we expect with next gen? I want it but don't want it to be rushed. On that point RROD, give it to us when good and ready.

[vortis]

From NES to PS2 the game prices didn't change.

Some Sega Genesis titles cost more than PS2 titles (remember Virtua Racing and Sonic & Knuckles with its lock-on technology?)

Each new gen DOES NOT increase the price of games. It's just that this gen the new R&D costs were pretty high at the start of the gen and the price of the games had to offset those expenses, hence the $60 price tags.

However, as the generation wears on -- as 2K Games CEO pointed out -- the tech gets cheaper, middleware is low enough in price that ANYONE who knows a thing or two about coding can make a game on a shoestring budget and more money is spent in optimizing a game than actually developing and producing it.

Realistically games should only cost $50. COD is literally recycled assets after recycled assets every year on end but they still charge $60. It's running on a four year-old engine.

For next-gen costs shouldn't be anymore than what they are now. All the software tech and middleware is already designed for next-gen hardware so there will no longer be high R&D costs like it was at the start of this gen, and it takes smaller teams to make higher quality games thanks to things like procedural physics and animation techniques that are available in engines like Unity, CryEngine and Unreal Engine. They just need the hardware capable of utilizing this tech to actually use it.

[Yangus]

I want,but not coming next-gen cool,DQ,FF,Xenoblade,and Monster Hunter,MGS,etc only AAA fps....not insant buy..

[ziratul]

We dont need new console if it's gona be just 30-50% better. They should wait 2014 or 2015.

[Kran]

I cant help thinking about this:

wasn't it just a couple years after the release of the PS3 that gamers began ranting at how they wanted next gen? this has been going on for years now. After the next playstation and xbox releases, give it 2 years and people will complain yet again.

getting sick of all this.

[josephayal]

I dont need a PS4/XBOX720, I WANT A PS4/X720

[Unztayble]

I don't need shit. But I have enough disposable income for a PS4 though. This gen doesn't surprise me anymore. I'm ready bro.

[ziggurcat]

*sigh*

when did people come to the conclusion that we'll be seeing the next xbox/playstation in 2013?

it's *NOT* coming next year. we won't see either new system until spring 2014 at the very earliest... but more likely the holiday season 2014.

[MacDonagh]

If you want new graphics, make your own gaming rig. PC really is where it's at for intensive graphics etc.

[punisher99]

"If you want new graphics, make your own gaming rig. PC really is where it's at for intensive graphics etc."

Unfortunately the PC platform doesnt have the big name great exclusives like Gears Of War 3, Uncharted franchise, the Metal Gear Solid franchise and the Super mario franchise just to name a few.

[MacDonagh]

True enough, but there are thousands of games on there. So many to choose from.

[JoelJD14]

I will respectfully disagree.

[TXIDarkAvenger]

Eh, maybe we don't need them but we WANT them. This gen has being going for quite a long time, though that's not necessarily a bad thing. For me personally, there is a lot of games I want to get through that came out this generation so I really don't mind waiting another year or two.

[Relientk77]

Well I want a PS4, Omni, or whatever Sony is naming it

[punisher99]

I say its time for next gen consoles. This gen is getting stale. Do you guy realize there were at least 16 call of duty titles released during this gen alone?? This gen is stale and developers need new platforms that will hopefully refresh their innovation in making games.

[ziratul]

Innovation?

IT DIED long ago.

COD, FIFA, COD, FIFA policy is reality.

New consoles will only bring 1080p@60fps nothing else.

IMHO they could only double current arch (2xcell & 6x Xenon) and name it PS3+ XBOX360+

[TheBatman_Fanatic]

New platforms for more CoD.... great >_>

[Dragonopolis]

Tomshardware just finished another round of system builders....... It was only judging hardware costs not software and capped the Hardware cost at $500. Was able to build a gaming rig for that price.... Used a AMD 7850 with 1GB of Vram with a dual core Sandy bridge Pentium and 8GBs of Ram...... In BF3, was able to achieve over 100 fps on BF3 at 720p at medium settings. At Ultra-settings was still able to play over 45 fps at 1080p......Rarely dipping into the low 20-30fps (which is common fps for current consoles now).... once you factor in the os and little tweaks to hardware your looking at a $600 to $800 dollar PC gaming rig right now that will blow the doors off current consoles. That's building a PC with off-the-shelf pc parts available to the public. Just imagine what Sony or Microsoft can do business wise to bring that cost down into a small console form factor by 2014...... It definitely doable to create 60 fps game console with increase settings (AA, AF, etc...) and hardware specs (more memory better processor) by 2014.

Cant wait to see what Sony and Microsoft have up their sleeve for the next gen consoles.... but I admit it is a desire not a need...... and I still enjoy my games at 30 -50 fps vs 100 fps so I know I don't need 60 fps to enjoy my games ..... I don't need 8xAA or 16xAF to enjoy my games...... but it sure doesnt hurt......

Its like toppings on Ice Cream..... Don't need them to enjoy the flavor of my Ice Cream but oh do I want my toppings,...... lol

[NeoTribe]

These people need to speak for themselves. Im tired of console open world games having heavy limitations and jaggies. For those who keep pushing to keep this gen alive, you do realizs nobody would be forcing you to buy the new gen console right? You can gladly keep your outdated console, they will still make inferior versions for it. Let us people who have jobs and money to upgrade our gaming experience.

[madjedi]

So why are people acting, like as soon as the ps4/720 release all developers will drop ps3/360 support. If the dev cost are that fucking high third parties can still release ps3/360 games, since short of 1st party exclusives the launch games won't be anything astounding.

This gen has gone on long enough, if we had a gig of memory in these systems 2015 might be reasonable, but we don't and despite what some fools claim the graphics aren't good enough.

And to the people crying for innovative games, if you can't describe in detail what is innovative about a particular game or why it needs innovation. Then stfu, because all your doing is throwing around useless buzzwords and degrading it's meaning even further.

You want innovative games, look for them in the psn and live marketplaces, because those cost alot less to dev than full retail games.

I have to wonder how many people that bemoan the lack of new ips or "innovative games" on the ps3/360, but then snatch up the latest mario game and are happy it hasn't changed in 10-20 yrs.

[punisher99]

@madjedi:

"You want innovative games, look for them in the psn and live marketplaces, because those cost alot less to dev than full retail games."

Why should we just settle for cheap innovative 10$ games? Why shouldn't we push for more 60$ innovative games? Last gen was a very successful generation of gaming and it didn't take 16 Call Of Duty titles to get there.

[madjedi]

"Why should we just settle for cheap innovative 10$ games?"

It's very simple economics, the few innovative or different retail titles don't sell enough to cover expenses for a sequel.

Hence the more reasonable expectation of it moving to dl games.

"Last gen was a very successful generation of gaming and it didn't take 16 Call Of Duty titles to get there." And your point is what again, cod is the easiest example of a stagnant series.

Not every series is as bland as it it, other than a significant drop off of jrpgs this gen is basically similar to last gen in quirky titles.

If your not a shooter fan, play rpgs ect. This gen has seen many new ips invented and grown. Rpgs were dominant last gen this gen it shooters.

General rule people that go on and on about the lack of innovation, without explaining anything in detail about why or how it's innovative are fools spamming a popular buzzword.

Look at this gens catalogue it does have some different/nifty titles, but that would require effort on gamers part.

[MRMagoo123]

I just want some info on next gen, some official tech about it and pictures or something, and price so i can start saving would be good

[LUKENBACHER]

I agree and disagree at the same time...

http://therealsocom.com/for...

[XboxInnovation]

I have a feeling transitioning to next-gen is going to be slow.

I remember toward the end of last gen there was a reason to move to next gen, which was HD. HDTV's were starting to blow up and consoles capitalized on it.

We can even go back to the gen before that. The major reason that next gen was forced to move forward was because of online gaming. Again, online/internet was blowing up and consoles capitalized on it.

What is the drive for next-gen? It's surely not Blu ray. I just don't see where consoles can capitalize, the move looks more like a move to next gen for the sake of moving instead of a reason.

This is why the transition will be extremely slow. People won't see a reason to rush out and get consoles.

[FlyShootRaceSims]

Sony and MS should keep the current gen for the author and his ilk then usher in the next gen for gamers that just want to advance and move on. People don't mind paying for a new iPhone, iThis, or iThat every couple of years; I'm sure gamers won't mind paying for a new console every six years or so.

[bayonetta]

Fix it
I Don't Need The Xbox 720 and Playstation 4
---
cause we want it

[PhunnyJesta]

With a lot of console games running in 720p and an unstable frame rate capped at 30fps....its time for a new console.

[Omnislash]

I honestly dont see how much games can improve in the next gen. I think that the PS3 has at least 3 years left in it....

Xbox not really... We do need a new Xbox, I mean ffs they still have to swap discs...

[TXIDarkAvenger]

Is it really a bothersome to swap disks?

I mean, sure its easy to have everything on one disk but so many people are seriously pissed about having more than 1 disk on Xbox. Devs could have easily done what 343 did with Halo 4. They had two disks, the 2nd disk installs the multiplayer and you never have to use that disk ever again.

That being said, I don't mind having new consoles but that is a stupid reason for wanting a new Xbox. All MS has to do is upgrade the size of disks, graphical update, make online free, and buy more developers to make some first party exclusive games.

[punisher99]

"Is it really a bothersome to swap disks?"

Technically there is nothing wrong with it. But its just so primitive. Especially since its almost 2013.

"All MS has to do is upgrade the size of disks, graphical update, make online free, and buy more developers to make some first party exclusive games."

MS doesn't care about games. MS care most about outselling its direct competition and making the biggest profit possible. They will never have their 1st party studios creating multiple exclusives.

[harrry]

because 4 discs is acceptable in 2012. next gen is way overdue

[kickerz]

Said no one ever

[PS4isKing_82]

It's actually the industry that needs new consoles. Sales are way down from years prior. We need new consoles and new ways of gameplay to help sustain interest. Plus the devs really need it since alot of their games are not selling the numbers they need. Ppl are getting bored of the same graphics and games being released every year. Honestly, how many more cods, assassins creeds, and just dances do we need? We need something new. It's time to move on.

[Droid Control]

''We don't need the Xbox 720 and PlayStation 4''

YES WE DO!

[GuruStarr78]

Honestly, I'm pretty content with what I've got at the moment.... I've got 360, PS3 and Wii U.. I really don't feel like spending another 4 or 5 hundred dollars on a new console.. Personally, I can wait 2 or 3 more years...

I'm so backed up now with all the games that came out in the last month, I'll be good for the next year, not to mention what's still coming out in 2013..

Don't get me wrong.. I'd love to have PS4 or a '720', but I'm good with what I've got... developers have really learned how to develop for the consoles we've got..

[cedaridge]

Bring on the next xbox & ps4 ASAP!

[Gamerita]

i bloody need the PS4 or i will cry. :)

seriously though it's any genuine gamer's dream to have one ASAP.

[ajax17]

Didn't read the article because I know it would make me mad. All I have to say is; why would a video game website say we don't need the PS4 or the next Xbox?

[glennco]

i don't read bullshit disguised as articles.

[B-radical]

If consoles wanna compete with stupid tablets and whatnot then yes we do need new ones

[Dfooster]

simply put, when you compare those launch titles mentioned to the games we are playing now like far cry 3 that justifies the next gen 100%. Can you imagine far cry 3 running on ps2? No neither can I, so this to me is a very narrow minded article that doesn't make much sense.

[TheBatman_Fanatic]

My PS3 is doing just fine! I don't understand the rush for PS3 owners.

[Benjaminkno]

There doesn't need to be a new age of consoles, because they're just going to do what Nintendo is doing. Duh!

No but seriously, I would be very unhappy if the one of the big three opted out of the industry. I 'want' MS to keep their consoles from breaking down, and make their Xbox live service free. I 'want' Sony to get a hold of their internet service, and come out with another console that is more valuable than how much I pay for it. I 'want' Nintendo to take the adult gamers market seriously, lure more third party support, and stop being so stupid about console account transfers.

What I 'want' right now is to have a serious discussion about what a Ps4/720 transition is going to offer us. Let's see a new controller! or a freaking headset with an eye screen or some shit! Give me a vest that will shock me or pinch me when I get shot in COD! ...I've gone too far.

[gamern4g]

That is so wrong. We need new consoles! I did try to play AC3 using my Xbox360 but its allmost impossible. Why? Xbox360 hardware is so old and less powerfull than PS3, so theres a huge and long loading times in this game. It aint all, also theres a huge framerate drop while playing AC3 on Xbox360, you can notice it with your own eye, it makes gameplay rubbish. This aint happening with my PS3, its still going like a rock, but its like 7 years old console. So, we need new consoles and now! I have been waiting new consoles since 2011, but nothing, this is a big disappointment.

[black911]

Show me 5 games that visually look better than Beyond Two Souls?
PS3 graphics get better and better. I'll wait for someone to name 5 and show me 5 and why we need next gen now.

[annus]

The last 5 games that were released on PC.

[IWentBrokeForGaming]

For CONSOLE games Im really pretty happy with where games are now... Halo 4 looks AMAZING on 360, Last of Us looks to be AMAZING, Beyond 2 Souls looks AMAZING, the new MGS for PS3 looks Amazing, Far Cry 3 and Bioshock Infinate look AMAZING for Multiplat titles!

I like the jist that NOW damn near EVERY developer has their head wrapped around the tech they have at hand and NOW we are getting the games that this gen was always supposed to be about!

I'd be comfortable with 2 more years of the finest games like we have now/coming out soon!

The best has just been getting better to just move on now!

[nintendoland]

we don't need so advanced graphics. We need innovation and wii u just does that

[PhantomT1412]

I don't completely agee with the author: sure, if you look exclusively at launch titles, you're not going to find many new IPs just like the WiiU is getting more ports of already released games and sequels than new IPs right now. But if you look at 2007 (2 years after the Xbox 360 release and a year after the PS3's), you'll see a good bunch of new IPs introduced to this generation: Uncharted, Assassin's Creed, Bioshock, Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare (not really a new IP but it brought many changes in gameplay and setting)...
And some of these IPs wouldn't have been so good if it was released on the older generation, and I'm not only talking about the graphics: for instance, the crowd tech of Assassin's Creed wouldn't have worked so well on Xbox or PlayStation 2 (the crowd in Assassin's Creed is denser than any GTA of the 6th generation).
But I agree that there were and still are a lot of sequels but it's just that old IP doesn't disappear...

[novcze]

We want them, they are like one year late actually

[Dungus]

Then why am I worried about going out and buying Far Cry 3 for my PS3 knowing it might look and play absolutely pump? Why am I worried that GTAV will be a jaggy, frame-rate exploding mess? Why do I want to lay a turd inside my Skyrim case and send it back to Bethesda? Why do I have to check out comparison videos to know I'm not getting shafted? Why am I jealous of PC gamers who can afford to keep their games playing the way they were intended to be played? Get bent. The next generation should have come out THIS Christmas.

[acktionjackson]

Who the hell is (WE) anyways? Speak for yourself. The only people who don't a more powerful console are Nintendo fans. When I play Far Cry 3 and see ton's of screen tearing and frame rate issues on both consoles and then look at PC version on just Medium setting it's like night and day. I'm not PC gamer though and I want to play on Console and still have a big game like that play well, look nice, and have solid frame rate. But these consoles are out dated and developers are constantly having to make trade off that affect the end product us users and I'm tired of it. So piss off loser!!!