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Analyst: Xbox 360 Top Platform in US for November, Down 20% YoY

EEEDAR analyst Doug Creutz believes the Xbox 360 was the bestselling console in the US for the month of November. He says the console sold 1.35 million units during the month, which means a 20 percent drop year-on-year.

Creutz has also given his sales figures for the other video game platforms. Nintendo's new console, the Wii U, is expected to have sold about 450,000, however sales could have been higher if Nintendo was able to ship more units. He also predicted $50 million in Wii U software sold. He also predicted the 3DS to be flat year-on-year with sales of 800,000. The Wii is expected to sell 170,000 units for the month and the DS 260,000 units.

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shutUpAndTakeMyMoney4153d ago

america is xbox land we know this.

Welshy4153d ago

Agree'd. Every time i see the words "xbox", "sales" or "America"in the one sentence i immediately think how pointless it is.

Xbox 360 will always outsell PS3 now in the states and probably will through brand loyalty/familiarity next gen too.

Telling me 360 outsold PS3 in the states is like me being surprised at it raining when i live in Scotland. (I actually do btw, not stereotyping =P)

Lvl_up_gamer4153d ago (Edited 4153d ago )

"Xbox 360 will always outsell PS3 now in the states and probably will through brand loyalty/familiarity next gen too."

I don't agree. The PS2 sold 53 million units in North America alone. The 360 has only sold 40 million thus far. That's a 13 million unit difference where we all know that in the next 3 years the 360 won't accumulate.

http://www.vgchartz.com/#No... America Totals

Thus, it's the Playstation brand that gamers are more familiar with in North America. We are past the point of "Loyalty". Only 15 million Xbox's were sold in North America so where did this "Loyalty" come from? There is no loyalty prior to buying a companies first console, the Loyalty comes after purchasing it. Sony had a much larger loyal following.

The reason the 360 is selling better in North America (the largest gaming market in the world) is simply because gamers want to play whatever console their friends are playing on and the biggest game title right now that everyone is playing is Call Of Duty and we all know who has the Call of Duty early access DLC....It's Microsoft and the Xbox 360 combined with the exclusive Halo franchise.

So the reasons as to why the 360 is selling well in North america:

1 Year early release
PS3's HIGH selling price at Launch
XBL
Halo
Call of Duty
Xbox being the FPS console of choice

To consumers in North America...those are the main selling points that they care about where they run out and purchased the 360.

Nothing to do with "loyalty/familiarity" ; ...that would be an argument for why the PS3 is selling so well in Europe and Japan.

Welshy4153d ago (Edited 4153d ago )

@lvl up

I was actually taking you seriously for a moment til you ended with "Nothing to do with "loyalty/familiarity" ;...that would be an argument for why the PS3 is selling so well in Europe and Japan."

So all the pro's you listed for the reason 360 sells in the US are valid, but if i were to say PS3 is popular in EU/JP because it has free online, friends play it combined with Sony and the exclusive GT5 franchise, multiple other exclusive franchises and the variety console of choice (more exclusives of varying genres), then that is just "brand loyalty/familiarity"?

You actually made a really good point until you shot youself in the foot with that statement.

nukeitall4153d ago

@TheFaceless:

He is saying MS didn't have any brand loyalty anywhere, while PS has had to dominating generations almost everywhere, so yes there is undoubtedly brand loyalty in Europe and Japan.

Japanese has a very strong nationalism so it doesn't even need brand loyalty in the first place considering the PS3 is the only real and direct competitor to Xbox 360.

Sure there are benefits to PS3, but they certainly weren't apparent years later.

Next generation, MS will have a strong brand loyalty in the US and somewhat in Europe.

@Lvl_up_gamer:

You are spot on.

SonyStyled4153d ago

i live in america and quite a number of us have ps3's. i think the media blows the situation was out of proportion. honestly, i think its no more of an "xbox" land than it is "ps3" land

League_of_Draven4153d ago

America is actually Nintendo land. Nintendo even made a game based off it.

GribbleGrunger4153d ago (Edited 4153d ago )

Ok, so this is a very confusing assessment of sales. Sony only sold 800,000 during November? It sold 525,000 on Black Friday alone. So it only sold 275,000 for the remaining 3 weeks? Get outa here. 1.2 to 1.4 million sales is closer to the truth with the 360 outselling it by 150,000 to 200,000. Even VGchartz, who undertracked the Black Friday figures has the PS3 selling 752,337 last week.

Ben_Grimm4153d ago (Edited 4153d ago )

Yea serious! PS3 sold 400,000 the 3rd week of November when the 360 sold 525,000 the 2nd week of October. So it was closely on track with 65k in its fourth week when it was undertrack by 30% in week one!! Not to mention the 5.3 lead in retail shipped versus sold during the holidays!!!

What the hell is going on!?!

StreetsofRage4153d ago (Edited 4153d ago )

My response to Gribble: The fact that 275k people bought a ps3 a few weeks before Black Friday and Cyber Monday is amazing. Why not wait just a few weeks for the biggest sales of the year?

Down 20% year over year isn't a surprise considering the release of Kinect last year. It was the hottest item of the holidays and sold like hot cakes. Naturally the sales this year would be lower.

Anon19744153d ago (Edited 4153d ago )

Last year, it was estimated the PS3 moved 901,000 in the US in November. Sony said PS3 sales were up 9% for Black Friday so if that held true for the rest of Nov than PS3 sales in the US would be somewhere in the range of 980k to 1 million. This guy could be a bit off.

I thought these were good numbers all around. PS3 got a boost, the Wii-U had a decent showing, Vita a bit of a kick in the US and the 360 put up damn respectable numbers when you consider how the rest of 2012 had played out for them proving there's still life in the old girl yet. I think we'll probably see another 2-3 solid years from the 360. MS has to be proud of how they turned things around after sales started to slide back in 2009. They should be. Kinect turned out to be a stroke of genius.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, I was completely sceptical of Kinect's appeal considering the thing cost almost as much as a Wii back when it launched and lacked an obvious, family friendly face like Nintendo has with Mario but I couldn't have been more wrong. I certainly wasn't the only one who voiced concern regarding the Kinect's price point, or the reaction of the core demographic who were generally buying the 360. MS nailed it and brought all kinds of new gamers on-board.

Edit: @StreetsofRage. Kinect launched in 2010, not 2011.

Lvl_up_gamer4153d ago (Edited 4153d ago )

You are combining Retail sales and Sony's Shipped sales...

They are not the same. Sony's claims will always be higher then what was sold at retail simply because Sony ships more to ensure there is stock at retail.

nukeitall4153d ago (Edited 4153d ago )

@darkride66

"Last year, it was estimated the PS3 moved 901,000 in the US in November. Sony said PS3 sales were up 9% for Black Friday so if that held true for the rest of Nov than PS3 sales in the US would be somewhere in the range of 980k to 1 million."

I'm not sure I follow here, but how does 9% in a weekend (or a "black fri"day) means the PS3 moved almost a million units based on 901k units in November?

That doesn't sound right unless you mean to say PS3 moved 901k units black friday?

GribbleGrunger4153d ago (Edited 4153d ago )

Yeah, you are right. I was thinking WW numbers, which is definitely over the million mark. As they say: 'my bad.'

Jek_Porkins4153d ago

The fact that Xbox was number one for November isn't a surprise. The fact that it was down also isn't a surprise, last year it sold over a million on Black Friday. We also have to keep in mind that the Xbox 360 had its best year ever last year, would have been a hard year to top.

Xbox 360 is long in the tooth and the fact that its still leading anywhere is pretty impressive, it speaks to the quality and fanbase that Microsoft has achieved this generation.

Belking4153d ago

Xbox.The force is strong in that one.

FarCryLover1824153d ago

Need next gen....
Need now....
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Nintendo's Massacre Of The 3DS And Wii U Is Finally Complete, Regrettably

Hanzala from eXputer: "The cruel hammer of Nintendo has fallen. Farewell, 3DS and Wii U, you surely brightened my life and many others; you won't be forgotten."

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Xbox's Preservation Step Sets A Much-Needed Example, Especially For Nintendo

Hanzla from eXputer inquires: "If Xbox can care about preserving its games and legacy, what exactly is wrong with Nintendo, trying to kill game preservation single-handedly?"

purple1015d ago

Ahh yes the good old game preservation of saving all your games to a removable hhd on the Xbox 360, taking it round your mates house, setting up multiple tvs to
Be met with “save data corrupted, please re download”

Or how about removing 360 games
From the store
, download them now or else, and, better hope to god that save data doesn’t corrupt, or it’s lost for ever

Nice one ☝️

Zeref4d ago

It's better than what Nintendo and Playstation is doing. It might not be perfect but at least they are TRYING. Unlike the others.

DarXyde4d ago

Trying? Take off the blinders for a moment, mate.

1. A failure to preserve games is just that: a failure to preserve games. Don't try to sugarcoat it: NO ONE is doing it properly. Better than awful is nothing to write home about.

2. At the time of this comment, isn't it the case that you need an internet connection to play Xbox games even if you buy physical discs that are hardly in circulation anymore? I don't have a Series X and I can't verify, but I think that is correct. I'm fairly certain you can at least play PS5 games at version 1.0 (not much of a win really when many games require day one patches). I think Microsoft's all digital, licensing approach is by far more aggressive than anyone else's. They really try to push you to game pass where you lose your entire library by umm.... Skipping a month of payments.

I don't think anyone is doing it right whatsoever. Don't get me started on Nintendo, who goes after anyone looking to preserve their games better than they ever would with extreme litigation.

Don't be a simp for any of these companies. Get it together.

PhillyDonJawn4d ago (Edited 4d ago )

@DarX never speak on Xbox again. You lost all credibility with your internet connection comment. Smh you have 0 clue and misinformed yet speaking on something you don't no squat about.

Einhander19724d ago

What has Sony done exactly? You guys keep deflecting to Sony but I am not actually seeing any results, and ai am certain nothing that you can come up with even comes close to what Microsoft has done and what they have tried and failed to do, like tie all your disks to your account on xbone.

Microsoft removed their whole indie section when they moved to the xbone because they were going to only allow games on the service that came from a publisher, id@xbox started after xbone launched and it only exists because Sony embraced indie and Microsoft was forced to cancel their plans and reverse course.

And every single game that was part of games for windows live including disk games (I have gta 4 on disk that won't work) so hundreds of games that use that DRM no longer work unless the company themselves patched it out which of course very few did.

MrBaskerville4d ago

Not trying. Tried. they killed of the backcomp program years ago. They set something up again, but sounds like it's more of an attempt to save the current library on whatever they are planning next. With luck they save everything and more, but let's see. I could see them killing off parts of the OG xbox and 360 libraries. Can't imagine that they would allow us to play Forza 5-7 in the future.

With that said, I do like what they've done and really wish they could have done more.

shinoff21834d ago

Zeref

So killing off physical media is trying what exactly. Ms don't really give a fk if you think they do your kidding yourself.

Profchaos4d ago

They are not trying this team is established for forward compatability the team is. It interested in preserving Xbox or 360 games.

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isarai5d ago

Is that why Hellblade 2 is digital only?

Zeref4d ago

Just because it's digital only doesn't mean you can't preserve it. Just put it on an external and you have the exact same functionality of what a disc does.

MrNinosan4d ago

Guess you're trolling, but if you actually think that's how it works, I'd recommend buying some braincells.

mkis0074d ago (Edited 4d ago )

Volitile vs nonvolitile data. A disc will not corrupt either. A drive can be corrupted.

Einhander19725d ago

This is just a scammy PR move to distract from the fact they are going digital only and trying to push streaming and subscriptions only.

No gaming company has pushed harder to remove ownership than Microsoft.

Without discs there is no preservation, preservation can't be done by the rights holders it can only be done by the consumers, anything else is a lie.

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Einhander19725d ago

Anyone remember xblig which Microsoft removed their whole 360 indie section removing hundreds of games from people?

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Zeref4d ago

Do you know you can put your games on an external and preserve them that way? There are no benefits to discs. ZERO. Idk why some of you are still obsessed with them.

DarXyde4d ago

Because games like Persona 5 exist. It's STILL V1.00. On Playstation, that's a win because 1.00 is installed on the disc—no need to download anything.

If a game does not require any updates, it's all on the disc.

Extremely low bar in the modern era, of course. It's not much of a win by any stretch.

But for now, physical media does have a purpose, at least on Playstation.

Einhander19724d ago

That is factually not how game licensing works, try plugging your hard drive into someone else xbox, It's not going to work, and it won't work if the licensing servers ever go down.

Einhander19724d ago

Anyone remember games for windows live.

I have around a dozen games, some on Steam itself that will not work because Microsoft shut off the licensing servers.

BehindTheRows4d ago (Edited 4d ago )

I do. I STILL have games (Gears of War being the big one) I cannot access because Games for Windows LIVE is total garbage and no one has held Microsoft accountable.

Zeref4d ago (Edited 4d ago )

You don't have an Xbox apparently. Because you can 100 percent plug in your external and play games from it on any Xbox console lol. You just have to be logged in to prove ownership.

Chevalier4d ago

"You don't have an Xbox apparently. Because you can 100 percent plug in your external and play games from it on any Xbox console lol. You just have to be logged in to prove ownership."

Damn how many times do people got to explain your idiocy to you? You can take a copy of Persona 5 like someone used as an example and play that game on ANY console WITHOUT logging in which means I can lend the game to a friend without internet and they can play my game. Can you lend your hard drive to anyone without logging in for them to play? NOPE. That is a huge difference and if you think otherwise then sorry you're an idiot.

Tacoboto4d ago

"No gaming company has pushed harder to remove ownership than Microsoft."

Ubisoft is literally erasing games people bought from their libraries... My PS1-3 discs are useless on modern hardware. Nintendo's re-published and resold almost their entire Wii U library, and the eShop is completely dead with no BC mechanism in the Switch software. Microsoft publishes everything they make today day one on Steam and Xbox/Windows. Sony only brings to PC the titles they think you might want some years later and Nintendo won't even design a functional long-lasting joystick.

You're absolutely trolling and not serious if you think Microsoft today is the worst offender.

shinoff21834d ago

Yay steam

Not everyone fks with computers though. The disc is still the best way as a console player. Period.

Tacoboto4d ago

How do Sony and Nintendo feel about these discs from 2001-2013?

Don't be stupid, you know Xbox is the best at this today.

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Hofstaderman4d ago

Nobody wants this. Sales or the lack of it in the case of XBOX is very telling. I wonder how the adorably all digital series X will fare. Adorably dismal perhaps?

crazyCoconuts4d ago

Only time will tell, but for from someone like me suspecting that Xbox is trying to gracefully exit the console market, that "forward compatibility" team is trying to get Xbox games playing on Windows PCs. I mean, it's nice that they're not planning on exiting with a "enjoy your games while the hardware still works" message, so that's nice. They still have a brand to protect via Microsoft so probably feel obligated to have a better exit strategy.

Xeofate4d ago (Edited 4d ago )

That is not their plan, their plan is to transfer users accounts to the cloud.

Phil Spencer himself said as much a few months back, plans could have changed but I think people are reading way too much into one statement where Phil said he would allow Epic on xbox because he wants to be able to sell xbox games directly on other platforms. Aka, instead of selling Sea of Thives through PSN he wants to have an xbox store to sell his games on PlayStation without giving PlayStation any money.

Again, it's extremely unlikely that Phil plans to put PC on xbox and licensing would prevent them from just giving out other publishers games purchased on xbox copies of thier games on PC, Microsoft does not own their games.

crazyCoconuts3d ago

The thing that doesn't align with the cloud strategy is the giving up on exclusives. You'd still need strong exclusives for cloud streaming - it's still a "platform" , just with a lower upfront hardware investment. I feel like they've learned what PS learned with PSNow long ago. We're not ready to stream games and it's only gonna lose them money to try at this point

FinalFantasyFanatic4d ago

I would love that, I'd buy up some of the Xbox games if they could run on PC, like the Rare Replay, Lost Odyssey and Dead or Alive Ultimate, probably a pipe dream though.

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Nintendo's War Against Player-Made Content Will Hurt The Company In The End

Danish from eXputer: "Nintendo has historically gone against player-made content and emulation of its games. This has done much to harm the company's image."

XiNatsuDragnel11d ago

I agree nintendo hire some these folks to help in your games it'll help imo.

banger8811d ago

They need to stop announcing these mods and fan remakes until they're finished. Finish it, upload it, and then if Nintendo dmca's it tough shit. Once it's online, people can share it around, even if the original download gets taken down.

Jingsing10d ago

True, but most modders need constant admiration during the process to motivate them.

PRIMORDUS10d ago

Yup, once it's a torrent nothing can be done Nintendo is helpless at that point. But it would be wise if they just had a site on the dark web, it's also easy to use with Tor and no one will bother you.

mastershredder10d ago

This is all coming from the mouth of short-sighted fandom and grifting madness.
No.... it wont. There is a clear defined reason why they don't. This is nothing new. Make your own shi7 from your own original ideas especially if you are trying to capitalize of it it. Duh.

Yeah, hire people that have zero respect or understanding for an established process. Wow. Yep. Totally makes sense.

shinoff218310d ago

Those guys that made that sonic game got a gig from sega or something along those lines and that game was dope as hell. One of the best sonics as of late.