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Soldier: Killzone 3, Fallout 3 have the most realistic combat, Army training sim is an ‘abomination’

In a recent VentureBeat interview, 12-year vet Sergeant Dave Mull said that the videogames that most accurately simulate combat are sci-fi FPS Killzone 3 and post-apocalyptic RPG Fallout 3. Additionally, Mull shared his thoughts about the Army’s combat training simulator, the EST 2000, calling it an “abomination.”

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bubblebeam4167d ago

“Ugh, you should see that abomination the Army trains on [… the EST 2000] has a controller shaped like an M4 or M16 and graphics like a Dire Straights music video.”

I laughed so hard. This guy sounds awesome. Anyone who likes Fallout and Killzone is awesome in my books. And to boot he is trained in military combat...neat.

SilentNegotiator4167d ago (Edited 4167d ago )

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

The AI seems to just charge at you. In which case, I think KZ almost is a better combat sim.

But then, the idea seems to be more on trying out different weapons (to save money on real bullets) than practicing engaging life-like enemies. They should really try to combine engagement sim and weapons sim, if ya ask me. EST 2000 ultimately looks pretty iffy.

jony_dols4167d ago (Edited 4167d ago )

I must be the gritty & heavy feeling of the weapons in KZ & Fallout.

If you removed regen health & sci-fi elements in Killzone, then I could definitely see how it would mirror real life infantry combat.

On a side note you'd think that US military would invest in developing a better sim, when elsewhere they spend 40K on a single Javelin missile...

Eyeco4167d ago

KZ2 on Elite , without crosshair's and Hud is about the closest you'll ever get to war sim, the difficulty is brutal

kneon4167d ago

@Eyeco

It's not just the difficulty that makes KZ2 so good, it's also the AI and the fantastic atmosphere. This is a game to be played on a huge screen with the surround sound cranked to 11.

bubblebeam4167d ago

@SilentNegotiator

The animations in that thing are horrible. They are worse than Goldeneye 64 LMAO. It reminds me of the end of Terminator 1, when the termintor does some weird bum rush behind them.

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JsonHenry4167d ago

Guess he has never played ARMA 2 or Red Orchestra 2.

Knight_Crawler4167d ago

Was going to say the same thing.

Fall Out is a bad example becuase the aiming mechanics are so horrible, hence the reason you need the VAT system which you can not do in real life.

Killzone is good but I would pick Battlefield over Killzone just becuase the weapons are actully real life weapons.

Outside_ofthe_Box4167d ago (Edited 4167d ago )

I'm not understanding why he mentions Killzone 3 though. KZ3 isn't realistic at all. The recoil and bullet spread on the guns resemble the arcadey CoD guns.

KZ2 is faaaar more realistic than KZ3. There are 24 variables for calculating bullet damage in that game compared to just 7 for KZ3. Every weapon is unique and has realistic recoil and bullet spread. The movement is realistic as well as it accurately represents a solider running with heavy armor. KZ3 feels more like a shooter to please CoD fans than a shooter that suppose to represent skill and realism in my opinion.

ATi_Elite4166d ago (Edited 4166d ago )

"Mull’s answers are based on just what he’s played and not necessarily every game in existence"

Obviously this guy has NEVER EVER played Arma 2! Some body get that Soldier a PC and a Fresh copy of Arma 2 Operation Arrowhead! He'll be begging to go back to basic training by sundown!

He did give a great description of why he chose KZ3 and FO3! KZ3 is such a great game overall but the Chaos and Chatter is dead on. FO3 combat sucks but managing your character and no Life regeneration is realistic!

and as far as the Engagement Skills Trainer 2000.....Crytek has been making a new one and using their CryEngine 3 and it looks.......

It's CryEngine 3 running on a $200K Virtual Reality Computer like I even need to say how it looks!

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Qrphe4167d ago

>Mull’s answers are based on just what he’s played and not necessarily every game in existence

He should play some of the Arma games, seriously. Possibly throw Red Orchestra in there.

MrDead4167d ago

I got Arma 2 and wasn’t very impressed, it was good but not very fun. Now I have the Arma II Dayz mod and its one of the best games I've played, Armas mod community has made this game brilliant.

I love the Killzone series, the AI is evil, play it on elite and you have an insane battle on your hands.

This interview was posted in full on N4G last week, can't find it at the moment.

sandman2244167d ago

Killzone is one of the best fps I've ever played.

Blackdeath_6634167d ago

agreed its one of those games that never gets old. i always find myself going back to it. has the best multiplayer experience imo.

AusRogo4167d ago

I still play kz2 online, is great fun.

bloodybutcher4167d ago

ausrogo, really? i haven't been online in kz2 for ages, but surely would love to come back from time to time.how is it with finding full servers?

claud34167d ago

Fallout 3 sim is second and killings as well. Were does this guy get of

GreenRanger4167d ago

"realistic combat"
Yeah, games where you fight aliens, zombies, robots and mutants and have to put 17 bullets into one of them to kill them is definitely more realistic than an army sim. /s

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Hicken4167d ago

Monstar's got you on this one, Tommy.

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Looking Back At 2008, An Unbelievably Incredible Year Of Video Game Releases

Huzaifa from eXputer: "2008 was home to the likes of Call of Duty: World at War, Dead Space, GTA 4, Far Cry 2, Left 4 Dead, and many other hits, which is outright remarkable."

ChasterMies21m ago

Some of these low paid video game “news” writers weren’t born before 2007.

CrimsonWing6911h ago

I don’t think anything can compare to 2023

lucasnooker11h ago

1998 - the best year in gaming! Metal gear solid, crash bandicoot 3, medievil, half life, ocarina of time, thief, tenchu, resident evil 2, Spyro, tomb raider 3, oddworld abes exodus, banjo kazooie.

It was a different breed of a gaming era. You’ll never understand what it was like back then. The aura of gaming, it was different!

KyRo11h ago(Edited 10h ago)

I second this. Gaming was a lot more varied and fun than it is today. I'm 35 so getting on compared to some here but I got to see all the changes from NES up to now but I've never felt so disappointed in any generation than I have this current gen. I was expecting more from this generation rather than prettier versions of games that came before it. Game mechanics have become so refined that alot of games feel the same and has done for a while now.

Maybe it's time to have a break for a while. I love gaming but I don't feel I get much fun in the traditional sense out of it anymore.

CrimsonWing6910h ago(Edited 10h ago)

Metal Gear Solid, Resident Evil 2, Abe’s Exodus, and Ocarina of Time are the only things from that list that I liked.

Here’s the 2023 game releases that I personally liked… and big releases that I didn’t care for:

- Dead Space Remake
- Wo Long Dynatsy
- Resident Evil 4 Remake
- Diablo 4
- Fire Emblem Engage
- Hogwarts Legcay
- Street Fighter 6
- Hi-Fi Rush
- Like a Dragon: Ishin
- Octopath Traveler 2
- Final Fantasy Pixel Remasters
- Final Fanatsy XVI (actually ended up not liking this, but it was still a big deal release)
- Baldur’s Gate 3
- Armored Core VI: Fires of Rubicon
- Lies of P
- Mortal Kombat 1
- Marvel’s Spider-Man 2
- Starfield (Ended up hating this one, but big release)
- Super Mario Bros. Wonder
- Zelda: Tears of the Kingdom (I’m an old-school Zelda fan, but didn’t really enjoy this game)
- Alan Wake 2

I mean, honestly I’ve never seen a year of major IP releases like that, ever.

Profchaos7h ago(Edited 7h ago)

Isn't it just a generational thing realistically.

I've been gaming since way back and I some of my favourite games go as far back as the late 80s for me each generation has a year or two of game changing releases one after another before an inevitable dry spell.

I kind of agree gaming had a different feel games hit different because we didn't have the internet nothing got spoiled and you really had to put in the effort to beat a puzzle which could set entire groups of people looking for a solution. But most importantly games were experimental and not as cookie cutter as today even basics like controls were not universal today r2 is shoot l2 is ads garunteed you can't deviate from that in a shooter back then it could of been square, R1 or R1 and circle nothing was standard.

But as time moves on a new generation picks up their controller they are going to be interested in different things that PS1 demo disc with the t Rex blew our primitive 16 bit brains back on launch but to kids today it's laughable.
The new gen of kids coming into to hobby seem to value different things to us there seems to be a huge focus on online play, streamers, gaming personalities, and social experiences, convience of digital downloads. To me I value none of that but that's ok like my parents not liking the band's I would listen to its just the natural cycle.

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Now is the Best Time to Get This Incredible RPG Bundle on Steam

If you are looking for an awesome RPG, look no further. Steam is offering a significant discount on its Fallout Franchise Bundle.

SimpleSlave1d 2h ago

"You can get all Fallout games in a bundle at a significant 20% discount on Steam. Individually, all these games add up to $244.91. With the discount, you can get them all for $195.91. That is $49 less than the original price. Quite a significant discount for such a popular franchise."

😊 😂 🤣 😐 - But why?

Just wait for a sale and get most if not all of it for a fraction of that price.

20% off...lol

Tacoboto1d 1h ago

The games were just on a real sale over the last week or two for the show promotion. Fallout 4 was $10, 3 was $5, NV was cheap as heck too.

So what the heck is this

Inverno1d 1h ago

The original games have been given out for free by Amazon for GOG and Epic, 76 is free now on Amazon if you have prime, Epic has also given out new Vegas for free and 4 has gone down to pretty cheap prices. 194 bucks is a total ripoff when you can get these games individually for less. Don't forget cd keys might sell em for a dollar less at times too. Come on man, us cheapskates won't touch anything near or above 100 lolz

isarai1d 1h ago

Bro that's a ridiculous ripoff are you kidding me? 🤣

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Fallout 3's Reveal Led To Death Threats And Bethesda's First Security Guard

The artist behind Fallout 4’s Deathclaw reveals just how bad things got back when Bethesda took over the series

anast2d ago

People are stupid I get it. No one should feel unsafe,

But I think they need to talk about why they cut so many corners during the development process and why none of their games ever look current. And why they think all of this is okay while they charge full price.

LucasRuinedChildhood2d ago

As much as Bethesda deserve criticism, that's not really relevant to the reveal of Fallout 3 in 2007.

VenomUK2d ago

The default angle Kotaku always go for is to highlight the worst in gaming.

I would’ve focused on the creative.

anast1d 8h ago

The game went downhill at Fallout 3's release. This is when they started to cut corners.

gold_drake2d ago

there is no "but". the hell lol
you dont send death threats, period.

anast1d 7h ago

Usually, you have good comments but this isn't one of them. It just rides the mob. We can do both condemn the actions and not let them use it for other things.

I can say I received a death threat and everyone needs to shut up. People are not honest and will use horrible things to their advantage.

Armaggedon1d 20h ago

Not all games “look” current.

anast1d 7h ago

Their games always look like the gen before it.

Armaggedon22h ago

Yeah, but thats not the result of laziness, incompetence, or a bad engine. Thats what happens with their type of open world games. Its hard for people to find a point of comparison because no one makes games like Bethesda does.

gold_drake1d 1h ago

mh ok thanks, i still think ur wrong in this mate.

anast1d ago

No problem. I'm not here to convince you. I'm only stating an actuality. What your words do if we look at them like events.

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