Will the Xbox 720 be able to do 4K HD?

Will the Xbox 720 be able to do 4K HD? This is the question that comes to my mind every time I think of the next Xbox: Will it be able to do 4K in movies and also will it be able to do 4K resolution in games? With the rumours going round about Sony’s next-gen console code name: PlayStation Orbis (technically we can call it PlayStation 4), being able to do this and also do 3D gaming at 60fps you would guess that we will start hearing rumours about Microsoft’s next-gen console’s capabilities in this department.

[DiRtY]

movies maybe.
games no way José. Never Trevor. No chance Lance.

[bubblebeam]

Agreed. Even if it could, imagine how weak the game would be?

4K resolution won't be standard for another 10 years (maybe less, but they are soooo expensive).

Remember, Plasma TV's were like 20k over here when they first came out, so I expect a 4k resolution screen wont be cheap.

[Akuma-]

so many psychics in here that knows the xbox 720 or ps4 wont be able to do 4k resolution for video games. it sucks that they cant even guess lottery numbers.

i believe the ps4 will do some 4k resolution for games because sony is already selling 4k resolution telis so itll be more of an incentive for buyers if they can also buy a sony console that can play games for that resolution and watch movies.

microsoft has less of a reason to support 4k resolution because they dont sell hdtvs but i wouldn't completely rule it out. they'd also like to do it if they think it would be a big advantage for ps4 to play games and movies in 4k.

imo 4k wouldn't be supported for all games but some and probably in 3 years most would support that resolution. i might be wrong but i think some games will support 4k resolution. it might even take a few years into the console/s life cycle to get a 4k supported game. sony has demonstrated gt5 running in 4k resolution using 4ps3s so i have less doubt that theyll do it. to completely rule it out is silly

[OccludedGamer]

Amusingly you have the nerve to attempt to insult people in here for stating basic knowledge and refute it without any knowledge of your own to stand on.

Really you need to do some research on the requirement for rendering 4k. Movies is possible but games is an entirely different league.

Consider this, 1080p fills an approximate pixel count that is 4 times what SD used to be. The jump to 4k will be the same again.

Now take the PC community as a reference. Try Metro 2033, Crysis 1 (modded) or Witcher 2 on a GTX 580 (which we would still likely never even see in next gen even though for PC its last gen) Max those games out and your going to be hard pushed running 60Fps. Metro 2033 which uses many of the features destined for next gen will often even dip below 30 at 1080p.

Imagine how a next gen game would perform if it was running at 4 times the resolution with all the enhanced features of DirectX 11. It would hardly even be a frame per second.

Now consider how less powerfull than a PC with GTX 580 and a i7 2600k and 8 Gb of high speed RAM the consoles will actually be.

That is why the psychics of N4G are correct.

[bubblebeam]

1080p = 1920x1080 = 2,073,600 = 2.1 megapixels.

4K resolution = 2160p = 3840x2160 = 8,294,400 = 8.3 megapixels.

There is also 8K resolution, but lets not get into that. I fail to understand how next gen consoles will be able to do 4 times the resolution that we couldn't even achieve this gen.

Even upscaling won't help, but rendering a game at that resolution? No way. I still think that a lot of devs will find it hard to reach full 1080p, without sacrificing graphics and framerate too much.

Next gen, I'll be super fine with 1080p.

[adorie]

4k resolution? Pfft. Welcome to 8k. =)

[christian hour]

Why do so many console owners think their little game box's are made of magic and infinite power? The nex-gen isn't even out yet (though it is 2 year overdue) and already they're priming their next consoles to also be magical infinite power boxes. Go to a PC components site, and build yourself a high end PC from scratch, with quad core processor and at least a GTX 560 GPU, 8-16 gb ram if you'd like, see how much that costs... You will not be able to play a 4k game on a pc at 60fps with that, no way in hell. Even with the GTX690 (3gb GPU) you wont be able to, and thats an 800 euro graphics card.

Lessons to take from this, console owners... (I own consoles too, but I don't limit myself to them, I'm not blind and in denial like some folk)

Lesson 1: New consoles upon release tend to range from 400-600 euro.

Lesson 2: You can just about build a low end pc with 1gb gpu, 8gb ram and a cheap quad core or a nice dual core processor for that price.

Lesson 3: Remember that state of the art 1200-2000 EUR Pc will struggle to run a game in 4k upscaled, don't expect your nicely packaged low end pc in the guise of a Nex Gen console to.

Lesson 4: Its TECHNOLOGY, not magic.

Lesson 5: You. do. not. need. 4K. Not for a long time, you didnt even get proper 1080p at 60fps across the board this gen. 1080p will look amazing nex gen because nex gen will use larger textures for yr tv to take advantage of. For example, this gen you walk up to a box, its texture is say, 256x256, so thats 256 pixels being blown up to 1080 on your tv as you get up nice and close to this textured box. Say it had 512px textures, or wishful thinking, 1080px textures, that is going to be a huge improvement without needing a new expensive tv.

Lesson 6 : Don't come in here and talk about what you think you know nex gen is capable of, when you do not even know a thing about the technology and hardware involved in making your favorite games appear on your tv.

Lesson 7: Please, never, ever, ever, ever say "OMG its so close to CG movies". If you do think this, you need to go to spec savers mate. Or educate yourself on what goes into CG movies, or just google Render Farms.

Lesson 8 (To myself): Stop coming on N4G and ranting nonsensically... I cant even remember what I was talking about at the beginning.

[SilentNegotiator]

People are barely finished adapting to 1080p TVs as it is.

And more importantly, what non-2D games are going to render at 4K on any sort of relevant, affordable system?!?

[fr0sty]

Occluded, 1080p60 has 6 times more pixels than 480p, which is still considered "enhanced standard definition" while also having twice as many frames per second. 480i, the true "standard definition" of television, has 240 lines of resolution on any given field (2 interlaced fields complete 1 full frame, 60 fields per second.), so 1080p60 is actually 12 times higher pixel resolution than 480i.

Those that want 4k out of Orbis/Durango... You can get it, but don't expect the actual graphics being rendered at that resolution to look any better than a PS3 game. And not even some of the better looking ones. Look at PS3. It hit 1080p60 on one game (wipeout HD), but even had to cheat to do that. First of all, wipeout has a simplistic graphics style that isn't heavy on shadows/shaders/high polygon count models, and second of all it employed an adaptive resolution system that would downscale the native resolution that the game rendered at in real time if the action on screen got to be too much for Ps3 to process at full 1080p. So, you only got 1080p60 on some frames.

The Call of Duty games didn't even natively render in HD at all, employing sub-720p native resolutions and then upscaling to hit 720p.

Expect similar performance with the next gen and 4k. Sure, they could render it, but it won't be anything spectacular that is being rendered, and you probably won't be very impressed with what your 4k games look like on that several thousand dollar 4k TV you bought. native 4k in all console games is a full generation away still.

[CraigandDayDay]

I think there will be a few PSN titles like another Stardust (it was 1080p on ps3) that will do 4k gaming on PS4 but there won't be graphically intense games that will run 4K gaming. I believe both consoles will offer 4K movies and video content but in different ways. The PS4 in the form of 4K Blu Ray and digitally via PSN. The Next Xbox will offer 4k video via XBL movies and probably just regular BluRay discs.

[fr0sty]

I would imagine that if 720/Durango were to use a blu-ray drive, they would go ahead and include the functionality for it to be able to read more than 2 layers. From what I've heard, PS3 can even read some of those 4+ layer discs, it would just require a firmware update. As such, 4k on both systems for movies (both online and disc based) should be expected IMO. However, most folks aren't ready to buy new TVs just yet. Everyone just finally upgraded to 720p/1080p. 10 years ago you were lucky to see a HD set in a home, now you most likely see at least one flat screen laying around somewhere. And some of the least technical people I've ever met still don't really give a damn about HD. They still have standard def cable or satellite hooked up to their HD set, and couldn't be bothered to upgrade.

[pixelsword]

@ bubblebeam:

See, that's the thing:

if all of these accelerated graphics aren't going to be standard for another 10 years, then how far ahead is the PC to consoles where it counts, really?

I can do 3D on my PC/PS3, but since 3D ain't mainstream it ain't a game-changer; so why is it that these very few PCs that can do all of the accelerated graphics are always giving the PC this "way more advanced than consoles" rep when these very few PCs are also not mainstream?

[Blaze929]

I don't think the duration of next-gen consoles would even last long enough to where they'll "meet" 4K TVs in more homes and better prices. $20,000 won't change to $1,000 in not even 10 years probably.

So no point in making the next xbox 4K compatible. Maybe the gen after sure.

They couldn't even standardize 1080p and 60FPS gaming THIS gen.

[vortis]

They couldn't standardize 720p at 60fps this gen.

Only game that managed it was upscaled and had one-track corridor levels.

[beerkeg]

I think the ps4 will be more than capable of 4k, I think it will be able to do treble that.

That's right, I think the ps4 could do 12k, without breaking a sweat.

The ps4 is the most important time in human history. It is the beginning AND the end.

The ps4 will define the Human race.

[Sp1d3ynut]

@ beerkeg... stop drinking your own contents.

[tee_bag242]

@ Sp1d3ynut - Bubble up for making me laugh my t1ts off at the crack of dawn. :)

[neogeo]

I'm not an Apple fan, but there is 1 reason I would like to see a Apple game console.

It could be $2999 and people would never question the price. They would simply buy it and at that price. We can then have some 4k! too bad I can't afford the system or a TV.

[wishingW3L]

not even PC with the most powerful hardware right now would be able to play games at 4k. Beside, you would need a 100" monitor to notice any difference anyway, so 4k would only be a waste of resources.

[shutUpAndTakeMyMoney]

a high end pc with a gtx 680 or 7970 can do it.

Toshiba shows off 4k gaming.
3840x2160, 30fps.
https://www.youtube.com/wat...

I am pretty sure in 3 years mid ranged pc's will be able to do 4k. To bad the display is thousands of dollars.

[akaakaaka]

lol at the pc fanboy, you just shut the pc fanboys up, and they still disagree at the facts.
4k will be part of the games on the ps4 for sure and most likely next xbox.

[FordGTGuy]

God you're a retard do you honestly think that the next Playstation or Xbox 360 will have a GPU on the level of a GTX 680? You must be out of your mind.

GTX 680

Lowest price on Newegg: $426.99

7970

Lowest price on Newegg: $379.99

[Qrphe]

@FordGT

Why not?

The GeForce 7800 (PS3's card base) was around the same price when it released on 2005 (probably more due to lower inflation).
At least two demos based on such card were shown on E3. It's a pretty safe bet.

[DigitalAnalog]

The gap between graphical potential for the PC this gen is so far ahead it puts the last generation comparison to shame. While the last gen was able to get the "best" at that time, the equivalent now would be mid-high end this gen AND THAT is if they plan to charge $599 like last time.

IN order to match up from last gen's inflation, (not to mention modify the components for a smaller case), would at least be $799, and that is being generous. By the time the so-called "next-gen" consoles do release said power the PC would already have another gen ahead at the same time.

Sadly, it has already been proven that 4K puts so much strain on the PC's top end cards for current-gen graphics. You really think as FordGTGuy has pointed out that the "closed" console with no possible upgrades are able to have games rendered in that resolution? How do you think they can pull that off for next-gen? Where would the power come from? That would be like the equivalent of requesting the PS3 to pull off the Samaritan Demo at 1080p. THAT is how much burden 4K places on consoles.

Putting your fingers in your ears and "believe" that consoles would magically pull that off is beyond wishful thinking. FACT: You need GRAPHICS POWER to pull off high-resolution. There has been no other known CHEAPER method TO-DATE!

[Qrphe]

@Digital

I'm not debating whether or not games will run at 4k, just whether the GTX 680 is a potential card (just the card).

PS3 is based off of the GeForce 7800 series:
GeForce 7800 GTX released Jun. 22, 2005 at $599 ($682 adjusted to 2011).
GeForce 7800 GT released Aug. 11, 2005 at $499 ($511 adjusted to 2011).

PS3 released on Nov. 10, 2006 at $499 and $599 ($511 and $666 [2011]). The GT was a more economical but a bit behind the GTX just to note.

GTX 680 2GB was released on Mar. 22 at $499 (now around $450 on NewEgg) while the 4GB version was released later (don't know when or how much) but now it's $550 on NE (wdk which one Epic or SE used but SE mentioned being tight on ram).

I'm not saying I'm $100 correct, but just based on that I see a PS4 based off of that card something within the realm of possibilities if it were to release late 2013 or just 2014.

[aquamala]

Would be just like ps3 can play movies at 1080p but its not powerful enough for 1080p games

[ATi_Elite]

Do you guys really care?

Do you know how much a 4K TV cost? The cheapest one right now is $10,000.....that's a nice used car right there buddy! (Sony has a 4K TV....$20,000)

Oh and one more thing NO Cable broadcast, TV broadcast, satellite broadcast or Media Disc is currently in 4K resolution so you have nothing to view your 4K TV in 4K resolution!

[They are testing a 4K resolution broadcast in Europe in very limited areas....but again who has $10K for a TV]

Also 4K only really helps on screens 70" or bigger and the technology is LCD or LED based not OLED. (OLED is limited to 1080p but has the best overall picture quality, uses less energy, and has thinner TV's)

So will the Xbox720 be able to output 4K? I really don't care cause I don't have $10K for a 4K TV that only has 1080p media!

It cost a pretty penny and a lot of muscle to get my PC to do 1600p so no way do i have any interest in 4K!.....I more interested in affordable NO BEZEL monitors and consoles that can do AAA games at 1080p!

[MRHARDON]

Xbox 720 will never be able to do 4k, if the user tries, it will RROD.

[WetN00dle69]

And the Orbis will YLOD.

[DeadlyFire]

If it could it would be a strech and both consoles would have to aim at 3-4 Tflops or more of graphics power for respectable 30 fps framerate to even exist on them.

[sak500]

@dirty

U say movies? Well might not even that, try to download a clip of a 4K Rez video. I did and it brought my following PC to it's knees. Well it does play it but can feel the fans going hyper and all cpus running at full speed and fans going haywire.

Core i5 760 @ 3.6Ghz
2 x 2GB 1700mhz DDR3
SSD 128GB Split for OS and progs
1 x 500GB, 1 x 250GB 1 x 160GB
5870 1GB x 2 (crossfire)

Unless the videos are highly optimized i doubt any next gen consoles would have the power to do run videos let alone games.

[Danlord]

Thanks for that reply bro. But don't u think microsoft could surprise us in the end? It will be nice if it will be able to do 4K HD in movies and games as well ;-)

[green]

Are you ready to spend $800 on a next gen console so that you can play 4K games on your $20,000 TV?

In-fact, what disk format would the system use because a 2 hour highly compressed 4k movie will weigh in at over 200GB. Sony's 2 minute 4K uncompressed demo of Spider man was 500GB.

I will rather the console makers perfect what we have now(1080p at 60fps)before delivering 4K at a horrendous quality.

[mcstorm]

I agree I see the next gen being 1080P 60fps and nothing more. People are only just getting HD TV's to replace there old TV's and 4K tvs are not going to drop that much in price over the next 5 years so maybe the Gen after but not this next gen.

I would be happy with 1080p 60fps.

[akaakaaka]

we buy a wiiu or rather stick with your 360/ps3
if you don't want new teach.

PS4 and next xbox are going to go 4k and yes the games will be playable in 4k at 30fps. and most likely tv prices will go down like the always do and in a year or two 4ktv will go from 1.5k or 2k witch is normal and in one more year after you will be able to get a 4ktv for $1.500k or lower.

nobody is forcing you or me to go and buy one right now or in two years I will get one when the price is right lower then $1.500 for a 50" and yes i rather pay $800 for a high end console.

[hivycox]

@psn_arakouftaian:

I don't know what you smoked when typing your comment...
But i want some of it ;)

[RevXM]

"Sony's 2 minute 4K uncompressed demo of Spider man was 500GB"

Really?
500GB/120... it's like 4GB data per second!!! think for a second... Blu-ray 2X speed is 9MB/s and that gives us very high quality surround sound working every hearable frequence and the image quality is actualy quite good.
Lets say 4K Blu-ray require 48MB/s since the resolution is four times greater give or take a few percents. That should leave enough room for image quality improvements as well as some reasonable audio adjustments/improvements too Im sure.

4GB per second @ 4K is just a waste of resources and Blu-ray would still be an apropriate format.

And I dont think 4k video and games is a problem.
It all depends on when it comes out and what kind of games are "supposed" to support native 4K. Arcade and some downloadable titles and such would run fine at 4K. Trial, Limbo, Wipeout and similar.

And 800 for a high end system is pushing it.
PS3 and 360 both cost under 1k to make at the launch. I heard the ps3 cost 800.
But they were high end spec systems sold for like 450-600 at retail.

[green]

@revXM

You think i pulled those numbers out of thin air? Well hear you go http://www.techradar.com/ne...

And in Case you won't read it

"Actually getting a 4K film onto a Blu-ray disc would be a huge challenge. We asked Sony's Pasch to tell us how many Blu-ray discs it would take to watch a three-hour Lord of the Rings film in 4K?

"On the basis that three hours of 4K video takes up 3.16TB, this would be 212 standard 25GB Blu-rays – although the quality of image and amount of Blu-rays used all comes down to the amount of compression applied."

"Blu-ray has the capability to go beyond what is can do today," says Foster at Futuresource. "Physically it can support up to eight layers – the original specification allowed for 200GB! Whether anyone will want to make one of those is a different story, but it shouldn't be difficult to go to four layers, though even that would require a new player; the electronics in a BD player simply couldn't handle a current BD disc with a 4K resolution." "

In essence you will need to buy a brand new player

[RevXM]

Of course youd have to get a new BD player.
But you must understand and think for yourself too.

4GB/S is just funny lol.
99% of all SSD's cant even read half the speed of that. Blu-ray 1080p Movies of today must run on 2X players which read at 9MB per second.
4 000/9 = 444.
You really think you would be able to tell that the picture and sound is 444 times "better" than standard blu-ray? HELL NOO its a waste of resources.

CA 5X speed should suffice for 4K video, depending on the increased quality but as a minimum. Today we get 12X speed, but the 4k ready format would need to be called something slightly different or adding to the blu-ray name Like DVD to HD DVD. In essence its still blu-ray technology, just not quite the same standard.

Also current BD disc with capacities up to 400-500 GB can be read on any 2X BD player. Ps3 also although I cant promise you can burn and watch movies from it as I dont know how well it runs on minimum standard drives such as Ps3. (regular 2X drives).

[Danlord]

@ Green- I wouldn't mind that. Even if am broke and can't afford all that goodies now I can wait a few more years when the price drops to buy it. Besides if the Ps 3 comes out with the capabilty of doing 4K HD it will be a shame Microsoft didn't put in there (in the first place) for a console that is suppose to last for 10 years. Look Where Apple is right now: 2K already. I bet Apple Ipad will hit 4K in 5 years time from now :-)

[OccludedGamer]

Only if they find a way to sell their Ipads off at $10,000 a shot. Seriously the price is not going to drop as fast as you think.

However that's not even the issue, where will all the raw power come from to power the display? Since tech progression is slowing it's not going to be easy.

[Npugz7]

Who cares! 4k is such a gimmick! Why the hell would you need anything past 1080p plus who has 10000$ for a new tv.

[Rhythmattic]

I agree, but it's all relative....

I knew someone that paid $15000 for a 40 inch plasma in the late 90's and it was not even full hd then.......

People need to realize its supply and demand, because just like 4k screens, one day, it will be holographic and incredibly expensive on release....

[kingPoS]

It's called progression. You have to move forward when it comes to technology. Rarely would you hear someone proclaim that a technological platform is so good it doesn't need improvement.

[specialguest]

Technically, 4k res (4096x2160) should actually be 2160p, just like how 1920x1080 is 1080p. It seems like the group that is in charge of naming it 4k did it for marketing purpose to make it sound like an extreme boost. Why not just stick to the same measurement labeling/naming?

[ZoyosJD]

4K is a standard used in the conversion of film movies to digital that has been around since before HD was defined. They simply choose to use the already established term "4k" rather than expanding on the "1080p" terminology with the awkward term "2160p".

Z-O-Y-O-S

[ExCest]

Incorrect. Blu-ray was called a gimmick once. Now people know that 1080p is the glorious standard. The only problem is that PCs are pushing forward and 1080p doesn't cut it anymore with 1200p monitors and the new 4k stuff and whatnot.

[Qrphe]

IS THIS REALLY A GIMMICK!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

http://www.pictureshack.us/...

(Dark Souls at 4k)

[donman1]

Does it really matter at this point if 4K HDTVs will be be mainstream and/or affordable for a years to come (maybe 3-4yrs from now).

[Droid Control]

4K is BS.

To see any difference between a 32'' 1080P TV and a 4K TV that 4K TV would need to be 100''. If someone buys a 60'' 4K TV they won't see any difference from a 60'' HD TV.

What would be better would be 1080P at 60FPS as standard on all games next gen.

[SnakeCQC]

if both tvs deliver their maximum resolution there will be a very noticeable difference

[WiiStation_360]

Only if you sit less than a meter from the screen haha. Almost impossible to tell from 3+ meters (Y)

[SnakeCQC]

i can tell the difference between 360p 780p and 1080p and i've seen 4k at some tech events from many meters away(im sure most people can if they paid a little attention) and its jawdroppingly good

[bubblebeam]

"What would be better would be 1080P at 60FPS as standard on all games next gen."

Technically, it is possible this gen. Developers know that eye candy sells games, so they aren't going to sacrifice neat graphics for higher resolution and frame-rate.

Expect the same next gen. Us gamers are to blame, as whenever 2 games are going head to head, you can bet your bottom dollar that the graphics are the first thing that gamers will pick out.

Since when do you see someone look at a game and say "wow. Look at teh epic fraymraytez and rezoluushun!!!"?? Exactly.

Although I'd love to be able to play 60 fps as standard (next gen consoles), it is just a dream at this point.

[vortis]

"Since when do you see someone look at a game and say "wow. Look at teh epic fraymraytez and rezoluushun!!!"?? Exactly."

Call of Duty.

[ElementX]

"teh epic fraymraytez and rezoluushun" Can't people just grow up and quit purposely misspelling crap thinking they're being funny?

[SyWolf]

I am quite sensitive to resolution and frame rate. So while I never say it like that, I'm always glad when I get to play games at higher resolutions with solid high frame rates.

[bubblebeam]

@SyWolf

"So while I never say it like that,"

I wasn't trying to impersonate you. I was just making a point that you never see people comment on stuff like that. They always judge by graphics.

I'm with you though, I'd prefer higher resolution and especially frame-rate. But I can't see that happening any time soon because of the reason I mentioned.

@ElementX

I used it in context though. TBH, I think the people who dissect someone's comment without contributing to the article/topic at hand need to grow up. Just my 2 cents buddy ;)

[ExCest]

Isn't that what everyone said about flat-screen tv's? Now what happened?

(At least, SD was so HD back then, HD didn't seem so different for me until it became a standard.)

[The Meerkat]

It may, and its also the reason why it will never be called the 720.

Because 720 is viewed as being inferior to 1080 and 4k.

Xbox 4K would be a great name because it would look like an equal to the PS4. Just like PS3 and 360.

[bubblebeam]

Actually, I'd be happy with the Xbox 1080 lol. Even though it skipped 720, at least it might imply we are finally going to be able to play games in full HD.

[PopRocks359]

No, because 4K TVs cost a fortune. One of Sony's cost over $24,000. Why the hell would anyone choose to forward that kind of expensive tech? There's no mainstream appeal for shit that expensive, least of all gamers with average incomes.

[Fishy Fingers]

High end current GPU and even upcoming Intel Chipsets already support 4k. What difference does the price of the TV make when none of that directly effects the manufacturing cost of the consoles components?

[vortis]

Because look at how much the GPUs cost that can run those kind of resolutions.

Does anyone here commenting even have enough money to buy a GTX 680? I'm not even going to mention the GTX 690.

Until people have the money to do more than put a down payment on either of those GPUs then we won't be seeing anything remotely similar in home consoles and can forget about them supporting 4K resolutions.

[Fishy Fingers]

I don't see why it wouldn't support 4k, there's no reason the GPU used couldn't be made to support the resolution but I doubt you'll see many games run it native.

[PopRocks359]

Because it would cost a fortune for one thing.

[Series_IIa]

It's hard enough to get some PC games to run 60fps at 1200p i don't think there will be any miracles in GPU processing anytime soon for 4k without any SLI.

[givemeshelter]

You won't see these consoles running games at 4k anytime soon. Won't happen. These consoles would have to be running Quad Sli or Quad Crossfire GPU setups inside these consoles running high end GPU's in that configuration.
Good luck to that...

[RFornillos4]

funny how before Wii U came out and it was announced that it will support native 1080p at 60fps, everyone was saying PS4 and Xbox720 will be so powerful coz it will support 4K HD... but after realizing the implications of going 4K, mainly costs, and recent news indicating that PS4 and XBox 720 may only aim for 1080p @60fps, everyone seems to be agreeing that this will be the standard.

anyway, no offense. i wouldn't mind having it at 1080p at all, if it means having still affordable next-gen consoles.

[esemce]

Yes I think anyone that knows tech believes that the next consoles will aim for 1080p 60fps, decent AA, high rez textures and maybe 1080p 60fps each eye 3D.

[ALLWRONG]

Some people are just too gullible and fall right for the 4k hype train.

[2pacalypsenow]

So something better than what we have now is a gimmick?its not a gimmick its an advance in technology in the next 5 years it will be priced for everyone right now its new tech so its expensive . Just because you cant afford it doesnt make it a gimmick 4k will be the next high resolution for tvs

[chukamachine]

Most people would be happy with 1080p 60fps high quality textures,shaders,aa,af, new physics engines, new lighting engines, etc.

Resolution is nice, but 4k is not needed atm.

[LNDCalling]

If the next gen is going to last until 2023 then I'd say both next gen consoles will 'minimum' have to support 4k video.. hell even YouTube does!

As for games, again, if MS or Sony envisage 10 year cycles their next gen consoles will need to support it even if its in the same manner 1080p (native) is supported on current gen systems i.e. for Indie tiles and last gen remakes!

As for it'll never take off because 4k TV's cost too much, the same has been true of every generation of TV's, CRT, Large Screen, Widescreen, 720p, 1080p, 3D, if you don't realise that then you haven't been on this little round rock we call home for very long!

[fOrlOnhOpe57]

IF Sony makes the PS4 4K capable then it would be in line with their future-proofing policy for the PS console - presumably another 10 year plan.
I think MS build intentions are more difficult to predict or guess at for the xbox720.

[OC_MurphysLaw]

Do I care? In the next 5-6 yrs the chances of me buying a 4k tv are about the same as an 8k tv.... Slim to none unless they are infinitely cheaper than there current sticker price.

[strigoi814]

i dont think they will jump to that 4K resolution unless they want to advertise sony's TV in the future..like what they are doing now showcasing the windows 8

[2pacalypsenow]

Not even computers even do 4k Games less a console with 2013 tech

[3-4-5]

4K won't be on Next Gen ( 2013-2020 ), but it will be on the Next Next Gen ( 2020-2027 ) ...

Just thinking about those dates feels weird....

[bishbosh]

it amazes me any of you on this can even think MS or sony will bring this tech on their next consoles! beggers belief!!!! what world do you live in?? when fan boys of ms and sony are knocking the wii u for being £300 or $350 and toooo pricey when it has a more advance GPGPU then the CPU and GPU of those consoles! i see MS and sony going the route of nintendo with advanced GPGPU maybe with a cpu that hs a few more cores then the Cpu in the Wii U! just look up GPGPU on google to see this is the route tech is going for now!!

[givemeshelter]

4K on consoles will not happen folks. Get over it already. The PS4 OR Xbox 720 will not support this in GAMING...unless they plan on using multiple GPU setups inside these consoles with high end GPU's...and you know that's not happening...

[ajax17]

I just want 60fps minimum on all games. Please just make it happen.

[stone_cold]

we only want 1080p why we buy a new tv for million dollar
f*ck money

[wiiulee]

lol...no it will not do 4k....half of the developers wouldnt make games for it..they would shoot themselves in the foot....fanboys and haters are stilly....wiiu graphics will be more then comparable with the next gen of xbox or ps3 or else wiiu will win next generation easier then before....if sony and microsoft come out with 500 dollar systems with specs that alienate a bunch of smalll third party developers......wiiu to me is in the lead to stay

[AngelicIceDiamond]

4k movies I can see happening before 4k gaming. Consoles have to take it one step at a time unlike Tvs that are built for that. MS and Sony don't wanna release hardware with EVERYTHING being the latest and greatest with out thinking its truly necessary.

Well, MS anyway.

[KrisButtar]

i think the next gen(xbox,ps4), the standard will be 1080p with 60fps as a lot of games this gen havent done that.

[Kennytaur]

In terms of games? Nope, it doesn't need to as it's not even a true standard yet. Most people, even those with HDTVs still watch DVDs and HD channels are in 720p. Why move on before we've even made the most of our current sets? 1080p will be enough for the next ten years minimum.

[Monstar]

Why the fuck does everyone continue to call it the 720?

Did the first xbox have a number? NO.

720 has no meaning to contribute to any console design. gsus

[annus]

Because when they see it they do a 720 and walk away.

[LNDCalling]

Because its games will be 720p?

[Dms2012]

Is that a serious question?

[jelydonut]

I keep seeing "movies maybe".. Maybe on the PS4, as sony has to push the tech to standardize it into the market, but unless MS goes blu-ray instead of DVD, movies ain't gonnna happen on the 720. Unless the movie is only 5 mins long.. then maybe..

[Deku-Johnny]

Let's take it one step at a time. The next Xbox will be able to do 1080p at 60 FPS at best like the Wii U. The Xbox 360 can just about manage 720p and even then it's upscaled from SD. We should wait a few gens till we start with resolutions like 4K.

[wishingW3L]

Wii U can't even maintain stable 30 frames at 720p just like the PS3 and Xbox.

[Deku-Johnny]

Keep telling yourself that.

[pennywhyz]

BUMP this whole article.

[BitbyDeath]

Probably not full retail games but I wouldn't rule out XBLA games.

[animegamingnerd]

i am not expecting 4k next gen but the gen after that

[Psychonaughty]

That would be unreasonable, 1080p is enough and as long as every game is that resolution and 60fps I will be fine, something tells me we might be disappointed though...

[FinalomegaS]

Hahahahahaha @ 4K

never tasted a Native 1080P COD on the 360 but hell let's go straight past GO>>>> collect 200$ and hit the free parking jackpot.

Next thing we're going to hear is some hologram type media disc that hold 1T+ data. Imagine downloading a 4K game... Idk about you guys but the north American internet infrastructure isn't ready for such bandwidth.

[Wile]

Just a reminder to everyone about the events during the beginnings of the console war between the PS3 and 360.

Everyone here was arguing whether or not 360 will deliver "FullHD" like the PS3. "FullHD", a term flaunted by Sony's marketing team, was sucked up and regurgitated be the media and fanboys alike. Countless threads on N4G with dedicated to this endless argument. At the end of the day, has anyone here noticed that with only a few exceptions, the native resolution of nearly all the games on either console has been anything close to "FullHD"?

Do any of you really want to pick up the "4K" torch so soon?

Link:

http://forum.beyond3d.com/s...

[Double_O_Revan]

4k? Hell no!

I'm just hoping for 1080p to be the standard for Every game. I'll be happy with that!

[Tzuno]

even if..... it's all about graphic engine at the end not resolution.

[SyWolf]

People who think that next-gen consoles will do 4k gaming don't know anything about technology.

[mayberry]

Wolf of the Battlefield: Commando 3 = 1920×1080
Wipeout HD = 1920×1080
Go Puzzle = 1920×1080
GT5 Prologue, GT5 = 1920×1080
Lair = 800×1080/1600×1080
Ridge Racer 7 = 1920×1080
NBA07  = 1920×1080
NBA08 = 1920×1080
Blast Factor = 1920×1080
Calling All Cars  = 1920×1080
Echochrome = 1920×1080
Elefunk = 1920×1080
High Velocity Bowling = 1920×1080
Locoroco Cocoreccho = 1920×1080
Mainichi Issyo = 1440×1080
Pixel Junk Monsters/Racers/Eden = 1920×1080
Rub’a'dub = 1600×1080
Snakeball = 1280×1080
Stardust HD = 1280×1080
Sudoku = 1920×1080
Super Rub-a-Dub = 1600×1080
ps3 has a few 1080p games

[taquito]

gt5 prologue was NOT 1920x1080! It was 1280x1080 with ZERO AA.

"By the time GT5 Prologue was released, Polyphony was well on the way to hammering down the specifics of the tech: the 1280x1080 target resolution we see in the final game was confirmed"

-SOURCE;

http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

EVERY OTHER GAME on that list are crappy indy games

ps4/nextbox will be 1080p at 30 frames for most AAA games with some sliding back to old 720p

[jalen247]

I think Sony will try to make their next PlayStation powerful enough to support 4K Resolution for gaming at 30 FPS.

They have a history of using their PlayStations to demonstrate new technology that they are trying to push...i.e. CD-ROM, DVD, Blu-ray, 3D, etc

PC elitist fail to realize that 4K TVs will come into play within the lifetime of the PlayStation 4. Technology moves very quick.

I think devs will probably still make their games native 1080p at 60 FPS and upscale to 4K in order to push better graphics.

[tee_bag242]

I can't believe now many blind fan boy children think 4k at 60fps is going to happen.

[wishingW3L]

I don't even understand why they want 4K to begin with!

[animegamingnerd]

well there are people who think the next xbox and playstation will be better then pc's but most likely they will have around 2010 specs

[urwifeminder]

The article is junk status like something else i know.

[KMCROC]

Weather it can or can't am buying my 4K TV from Vizio ,hope they are working on one . look forward to it.

[Gamerita]

i don't know about 4k resolution but i hope it wont do 4k x 4k costing microsoft another billion in repairs. lol

[cedaridge]

Just make a cost friendly next gen system PLEASE!!!

[wishingW3L]

prices go down but specs don't go up!

[animegamingnerd]

not all of us have a lot of money

[FightFans]

4K resolution games? could be but not at the level of Crysis or high complex 3D games. It could run mini games like you see on PSN or XBL market place and 4K movies. The next generation capable of doing it but I think their main focus is 1080p and 3D.

[Gamerita]

true

[ozstar]

Of course, since the first thing MS want to do with their only profit making technology division is lose money.

[level 360]

No and simply because it would add unwanted costs to Microsoft. And I'm sure they wouldn't gamble on 4K just yet unlike Sony who can and this is to do with their television/camera/movie division which is also connected to gaming.

[Rettom]

A high end gaming PC can't even run 2k...

[MasterCornholio]

Next gen for consoles will be about 1080P for all games not 4K which is pushing it.

[AKS]

This resolution crap never seems to end. Increasing resolution isn't as simple as toggling on an option in a menu. That's a massive amount to render. If the new consoles can run a game at 1080p and 60 frames per second with a substantial increase in detail, that's a massive improvement over the 360 and PS3.

Detail, lighting/ shadows, and post processing effects can often have a much bigger impact on visuals than resolution anyway. Also, many current generation games often have no antialiasing or an awful antialiasing method that badly blurs the image. If one of the computationally cheaper AA methods can be applied in the next consoles, that could also upgrade the image quality quite a bit more at a very low cost. For example, SMAA in a PC game often has very little impact on the frame rate yet it does a terrific job cleaning up the edges as far as computationally cheap AA methods go. Crytek has a version of SMAA they will be using in console games, and I'm sure other developers will have ideas as to how to improve image quality over what we usually saw in this generation.

Turning up the resolution, on the other hand, can be crippling to frame rates. You'll notice less improvement with each major step up in resolution. 480p (SD) to 720p is more noticeable than 720p to 1080p. Yet each jump requires a huge increase in computational cost. 4K is for the next consoles is just not practical or realistic, and you'd probably find more noticeable improvements through other settings.

[Tundra]

"PlayStation Orbis (technically we can call it PlayStation 4), being able to do this and also do 3D gaming at 60fps..."

A rumor stating the PS4 can do 4K Resolution, 60 frames per second and 3D gaming simultaneously.

Who the fuck do you get your rumors from?

[ninjahunter]

Lol, the amount of vram bandwidth that would take would be retarded. XD man, why not throw in some AA and crank it up to 60fps. The manufacture cost of the memory would cost more than the rest of the system all together.

[Candy1]

Aside from 4k, Always on connection is quiet concerning for weak connections and mid campaign game disruptions as connection locality strengths are generally not in the control of gamers.