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Can the Wii U repeat the success of the Wii?

The Wii may have been a success this generation but what does this mean for the Wii U? This is a complicated question. The Wii without a doubt blew away the 360/PS3 in sales numbers. This generation became less about which console had the best graphics but what could cater to the masses. But even with this success does this mean the Wii was truly the winner of this last generation and what does this mean for the Wii U?

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LX-General-Kaos4196d ago (Edited 4196d ago )

Quite possibly

The Nintendo Wii U entertainment system is launching this holiday season with a very affordable price for a next generation console. Nintendo knows that affordability is one of the major factors for the survival and success of a gaming platform. Strategic pricing plays as a major key factor in blasting the install rate of your gaming platform to successful heights right out of the launch gate.

So far we have all witnessed the supreme innovations that come standard with the Nintendo Wii U entertainment system. Along with next generation graphical capability, and many 1st and 3rd party exclusive offerings. Many great experiences that shed a blinding light on the future of how videogames will be played.

The Nintendo Wii entertainment system was the clear winner of the current generation. Selling upward of 100 million units. Greatly surpassing other current generation offerings as far as sales go. I do believe that it will become increasingly difficult for any major gaming corporation to match numbers like that again. But I do believe that Nintendo and Microsoft have a shot in the dark to toppling the illustrious numbers of the Nintendo Wii entertainment system. Both have done a fantastic job this generation in catering to the masses. Spawning new and unique innovations that have successfully reached out to gamers from all walks of life.

At this point only time will tell the tale

Rated E For Everyone

moparful994196d ago (Edited 4196d ago )

Sales don't equal quality. Nintendo was so successful in the sales department because of the Wii's ability to appeal to non traditional gamers. They essentially carved out an entire new audience meaning they weren't competing with anyone. As a self proclaimed hardcore gamer I was greatly dissapointed with the Wii.. I grew up in the Mario generation. My first taste of gaming was on a Nintendo console and my favorite console of all time is the SNES. So I'm clearly not biased, I did not like how Nintendo turned their back on those of us who helped propel them to the valhalla of gaming.. Now they are just chasing money and they have lost touch with the core gamer.. Which is why for the first time in the history of the gaming industry there are 3 home consoles thriving.. Sony and Microsoft have the Core gamers on lock, Nintendo has the casual audience. Unless they walk away from the gimmicks then it will stay that way..

Gr814196d ago

Appealed to me just fine. Your narrow viewpoint of traditional gamer of casual gamers is just ridiculous. Wii obviously did something right as it was the dominant console this gen.

zebramocha4196d ago (Edited 4196d ago )

@arius Mop's comment is not entirely wrong,nintendo were supposed to usher in a new way of how we could play games but they didn't accomplished this fully because the wii mote lacks precision,third parties didn't know how to use it and I believe the people at nintendo didn't understand it either,I based this off of the stuff Sony and razor hydra have shown which suggest more can done with motion gaming,if nintendo came out with new ips this could've help to slow down the stale wii sales and the need for wiiu for some time because their is a reason to hold on the wii.

ChickeyCantor4196d ago

" third parties didn't know how to use it "

Well there is your creative industry.
They were lazy and money talks.

jmc88884196d ago (Edited 4196d ago )

Winning isn't the 'most powerful system', it isn't the the most quality 'system', it's the one that makes the most money WINS.

That's clearly the Wii. I never bought one. Have a 360/ps3/pc.

But even if you want to say quality. My 360 had RROD, disc scratch problem, a hd crash, and now the dvd drive is giving out. I wouldn't call that quality.

Again, you have eyes to see and ears to hear, but you still won't learn. Reread what you wrote, I cannot believe you are even stating that they appealed to a larger audience, and thus garnered much more sales, and......that was their key to winning. Coupling THAT with lesser, cheaper, and for Nintendo more profitable system then MS/Sony.

Remember don't get caught up with certain fake benchmarks in life, as most of it is smoke and mirrors. Go after what's really important and don't get sidetracked.

Sony and Microsoft sold a lot of units, but specifically for Sony they lost hundreds of dollars per PS3 sold the first few years. They may never breakeven this cycle, which means for Sony the whole generation was for nothing. All that work, and not a penny gained.

Of course, they're 'posting a profit' on each one sold NOW, but all totaled the next few years, those profits won't match the big gaping hole that was left from the first few years.

They didn't turn their back on you. What they did is say hey, the people that are entering this business are F*$&#&G crazy, and if we try to match them, Nintendo will be gone.

That's a fact. Because Microsoft and Sony have bigger pull within the debt markets due to their much larger overall corporate size.

Don't you understand the way business works? It's all about debt. How much you can take out. How long can you keep it flowing by paying it back. For game devs, the more big games they release, the bigger it gets too.

Nintendo is the Montreal Expos of the Video Game world, whereas you have Sony and Microsoft as the Yankees, and Mark Cuban led Mavericks. They just cannot compete straight up, because everyone else is willing to lose billions to do it. What you ask is unrealistic, and it is so because of Sony and Microsoft. Their big spending, and debt capacity creates an oligopoly to keep competition away. Nintendo had to go for another strategy and beat them down like a crack ho with clearly inferior technology. Which makes Microsoft and Sony look like FOOLS.

But you see, that's what the distortion of debt financing does. Bend over to the banks and whoever THEY say wins, wins. Until their debt poisons the industry so much, Nintendo runs an end around, around them and cleans their clock.

In other words, Nintendo's strategy is 1000x better than MS and Sony's.

MS and Sony's way is basically to sell everything at under cost and keep anyone else from even sniffing their territory. Why do you think big businesses outlast smaller ones? Big ones can take out more debt, for longer, and undercut the mom and pop stores. They can always have the lowest prices, because those savings are paid for by the debt they take out. Our system is so rigged and screwed up it's well, just look around, it's toast.

Now with the Wii U, the hardcore games are returning. They won't be as good as the PC, and none of the so called (but really none are)'next gen' systems will match the PC, but the Wii U versions won't be too far behind the PS4/720.

Think gaming on very high...not ultra...with few DX11 features versus all of them. Overall that's a slight difference.

linkratos4196d ago

WHo turned their back on who? The GameCube could have been better but it was clear to Nintendo that core gamers didn't have their back anymore, so they tried to get a different audience.

moparful994195d ago

@Everyone disagreeing with me.. My point wasn't just "who won" I used to be a huge Nintendo fan as evidenced by my love of the SNES. But for me I felt betrayed by Nintendo... They shoe horned a gimmicky and far from perfect motion contol scheme into the wii to appeal to non traditional gamers.. They turned their back on the very gamers that have been there since the NES. @AriusDion the Wii might have appealed to you but to me and millions of other so called "core" gamers it was a huge dissapointment.

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xflo3604196d ago

@lx-general-kaos#1 you my friend are my hero.

On topic - The wii u will sell out this christmas, thats a near cert. Next christmas when xbox720/ps4 are on the horizon nintendo will reduce the price of wii u considerably and then we will see sales at a level near that of the original wii. By the time xbox720/ps4 release the wii u will likely be half the price of these new consoles from sony and microsoft meaning sony/microsoft will be in serious trouble.
I mean what are parents gonna buy for themselves and/or their kids? a sub £199 console (trust me the wii u will be this price next xmas) or a £400 console?!
I rest my case!

InsaneChronos4196d ago (Edited 4196d ago )

Are you serious? O__o

P.S. It's very funny how Nintendo and Microsoft fanboys are joined against the Sony consoles. It's just hilarious.

rpd1234196d ago

From what I see it's Sony and Microsoft joined against the Wii U. Either way it's funny.

linkratos4196d ago

? This guy said nothing against Sony OR Microsoft, he is probably the most positive person on here.

Sanquine904196d ago

NO, the market is to small. I think the wii U does not appeal to the casual audience than the wii did. Parents do not care about new inovation blabla what you said, they want something different. A second screen is not enough. Some people will think the wii U is the same because of the wii mote in the commercial.

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G33K4196d ago

No. I want to see it be successful but, it will not sell nearly as much as the Wii and the Nintendo fanboys will have to stop hiding behind sales.

MultiConsoleGamer4196d ago

Sort of like PlayStation fans did for the PS1 and PS2 era?

I'm not attacking either console, but rather pointing out that all fanboys are hypocrites. I'm sure you agree.

G33K4196d ago

They are but nintendo fans commonly hide behind Wii and Ds sales when you compare than to others and claim that ps copies nintendo

InsaneChronos4196d ago (Edited 4196d ago )

The PS1/2 had games, not only sales like the Wii. So there is no point in comparing the platforms.

MultiConsoleGamer4196d ago

It has a yet to be announced feature that will blow everyone's mind.

Also, the original prototype controller was shown at E3 2011 just to get public opinion for the final model.

I mention this for two reasons. One, Nintendo is ALWAYS thinking about the long game. And I when I say "the long game" I mean decades into the future.

Two, Nintendo always likes to hold something back for later in the game.

Either way, the next few years are going to be very interesting.

I must warn Nintendo fans about one thing. The Wii U will not be greeted as warmly by the mainstream press, certain websites, and certain forums. This has nothing to do with the actual quality of the product. Expect a LOT of negativity coming from the "usual sources." This will be an attack on the scale of DS 2006. Be ready.

PopRocks3594196d ago

I'm not worried in the slightest if that's the case. The DS was initially trashed but it's now one of, if not the most successful dedicated gaming handheld, or even console in general in gaming history.

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DivineAssault 4196d ago (Edited 4196d ago )

After a few structural changes are made, it can take this industry by storm..

GAMES GAMES GAMES from 3rd & 1st to continue to flow in.. Plenty of M rated content as well

Features that core gamers are comfortable with like pro controller support for ALL games & maybe accomplishments implemented into a lot more titles..

NETWORK thats strong & competitive going into the future..

If all those things are met as well as a few others, theres NO reason wii u cant be dominant for core & casual gamers

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Nintendo's Massacre Of The 3DS And Wii U Is Finally Complete, Regrettably

Hanzala from eXputer: "The cruel hammer of Nintendo has fallen. Farewell, 3DS and Wii U, you surely brightened my life and many others; you won't be forgotten."

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Xbox's Preservation Step Sets A Much-Needed Example, Especially For Nintendo

Hanzla from eXputer inquires: "If Xbox can care about preserving its games and legacy, what exactly is wrong with Nintendo, trying to kill game preservation single-handedly?"

purple1015d ago

Ahh yes the good old game preservation of saving all your games to a removable hhd on the Xbox 360, taking it round your mates house, setting up multiple tvs to
Be met with “save data corrupted, please re download”

Or how about removing 360 games
From the store
, download them now or else, and, better hope to god that save data doesn’t corrupt, or it’s lost for ever

Nice one ☝️

Zeref5d ago

It's better than what Nintendo and Playstation is doing. It might not be perfect but at least they are TRYING. Unlike the others.

DarXyde5d ago

Trying? Take off the blinders for a moment, mate.

1. A failure to preserve games is just that: a failure to preserve games. Don't try to sugarcoat it: NO ONE is doing it properly. Better than awful is nothing to write home about.

2. At the time of this comment, isn't it the case that you need an internet connection to play Xbox games even if you buy physical discs that are hardly in circulation anymore? I don't have a Series X and I can't verify, but I think that is correct. I'm fairly certain you can at least play PS5 games at version 1.0 (not much of a win really when many games require day one patches). I think Microsoft's all digital, licensing approach is by far more aggressive than anyone else's. They really try to push you to game pass where you lose your entire library by umm.... Skipping a month of payments.

I don't think anyone is doing it right whatsoever. Don't get me started on Nintendo, who goes after anyone looking to preserve their games better than they ever would with extreme litigation.

Don't be a simp for any of these companies. Get it together.

PhillyDonJawn5d ago (Edited 5d ago )

@DarX never speak on Xbox again. You lost all credibility with your internet connection comment. Smh you have 0 clue and misinformed yet speaking on something you don't no squat about.

Einhander19725d ago

What has Sony done exactly? You guys keep deflecting to Sony but I am not actually seeing any results, and ai am certain nothing that you can come up with even comes close to what Microsoft has done and what they have tried and failed to do, like tie all your disks to your account on xbone.

Microsoft removed their whole indie section when they moved to the xbone because they were going to only allow games on the service that came from a publisher, id@xbox started after xbone launched and it only exists because Sony embraced indie and Microsoft was forced to cancel their plans and reverse course.

And every single game that was part of games for windows live including disk games (I have gta 4 on disk that won't work) so hundreds of games that use that DRM no longer work unless the company themselves patched it out which of course very few did.

MrBaskerville5d ago

Not trying. Tried. they killed of the backcomp program years ago. They set something up again, but sounds like it's more of an attempt to save the current library on whatever they are planning next. With luck they save everything and more, but let's see. I could see them killing off parts of the OG xbox and 360 libraries. Can't imagine that they would allow us to play Forza 5-7 in the future.

With that said, I do like what they've done and really wish they could have done more.

shinoff21834d ago

Zeref

So killing off physical media is trying what exactly. Ms don't really give a fk if you think they do your kidding yourself.

Profchaos4d ago

They are not trying this team is established for forward compatability the team is. It interested in preserving Xbox or 360 games.

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isarai5d ago

Is that why Hellblade 2 is digital only?

Zeref5d ago

Just because it's digital only doesn't mean you can't preserve it. Just put it on an external and you have the exact same functionality of what a disc does.

MrNinosan5d ago

Guess you're trolling, but if you actually think that's how it works, I'd recommend buying some braincells.

mkis0074d ago (Edited 4d ago )

Volitile vs nonvolitile data. A disc will not corrupt either. A drive can be corrupted.

Einhander19725d ago

This is just a scammy PR move to distract from the fact they are going digital only and trying to push streaming and subscriptions only.

No gaming company has pushed harder to remove ownership than Microsoft.

Without discs there is no preservation, preservation can't be done by the rights holders it can only be done by the consumers, anything else is a lie.

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Einhander19725d ago

Anyone remember xblig which Microsoft removed their whole 360 indie section removing hundreds of games from people?

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Zeref5d ago

Do you know you can put your games on an external and preserve them that way? There are no benefits to discs. ZERO. Idk why some of you are still obsessed with them.

DarXyde5d ago

Because games like Persona 5 exist. It's STILL V1.00. On Playstation, that's a win because 1.00 is installed on the disc—no need to download anything.

If a game does not require any updates, it's all on the disc.

Extremely low bar in the modern era, of course. It's not much of a win by any stretch.

But for now, physical media does have a purpose, at least on Playstation.

Einhander19725d ago

That is factually not how game licensing works, try plugging your hard drive into someone else xbox, It's not going to work, and it won't work if the licensing servers ever go down.

Einhander19725d ago

Anyone remember games for windows live.

I have around a dozen games, some on Steam itself that will not work because Microsoft shut off the licensing servers.

BehindTheRows5d ago (Edited 5d ago )

I do. I STILL have games (Gears of War being the big one) I cannot access because Games for Windows LIVE is total garbage and no one has held Microsoft accountable.

Zeref4d ago (Edited 4d ago )

You don't have an Xbox apparently. Because you can 100 percent plug in your external and play games from it on any Xbox console lol. You just have to be logged in to prove ownership.

Chevalier4d ago

"You don't have an Xbox apparently. Because you can 100 percent plug in your external and play games from it on any Xbox console lol. You just have to be logged in to prove ownership."

Damn how many times do people got to explain your idiocy to you? You can take a copy of Persona 5 like someone used as an example and play that game on ANY console WITHOUT logging in which means I can lend the game to a friend without internet and they can play my game. Can you lend your hard drive to anyone without logging in for them to play? NOPE. That is a huge difference and if you think otherwise then sorry you're an idiot.

Tacoboto5d ago

"No gaming company has pushed harder to remove ownership than Microsoft."

Ubisoft is literally erasing games people bought from their libraries... My PS1-3 discs are useless on modern hardware. Nintendo's re-published and resold almost their entire Wii U library, and the eShop is completely dead with no BC mechanism in the Switch software. Microsoft publishes everything they make today day one on Steam and Xbox/Windows. Sony only brings to PC the titles they think you might want some years later and Nintendo won't even design a functional long-lasting joystick.

You're absolutely trolling and not serious if you think Microsoft today is the worst offender.

shinoff21834d ago

Yay steam

Not everyone fks with computers though. The disc is still the best way as a console player. Period.

Tacoboto4d ago

How do Sony and Nintendo feel about these discs from 2001-2013?

Don't be stupid, you know Xbox is the best at this today.

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Hofstaderman5d ago

Nobody wants this. Sales or the lack of it in the case of XBOX is very telling. I wonder how the adorably all digital series X will fare. Adorably dismal perhaps?

crazyCoconuts5d ago

Only time will tell, but for from someone like me suspecting that Xbox is trying to gracefully exit the console market, that "forward compatibility" team is trying to get Xbox games playing on Windows PCs. I mean, it's nice that they're not planning on exiting with a "enjoy your games while the hardware still works" message, so that's nice. They still have a brand to protect via Microsoft so probably feel obligated to have a better exit strategy.

Xeofate4d ago (Edited 4d ago )

That is not their plan, their plan is to transfer users accounts to the cloud.

Phil Spencer himself said as much a few months back, plans could have changed but I think people are reading way too much into one statement where Phil said he would allow Epic on xbox because he wants to be able to sell xbox games directly on other platforms. Aka, instead of selling Sea of Thives through PSN he wants to have an xbox store to sell his games on PlayStation without giving PlayStation any money.

Again, it's extremely unlikely that Phil plans to put PC on xbox and licensing would prevent them from just giving out other publishers games purchased on xbox copies of thier games on PC, Microsoft does not own their games.

crazyCoconuts4d ago

The thing that doesn't align with the cloud strategy is the giving up on exclusives. You'd still need strong exclusives for cloud streaming - it's still a "platform" , just with a lower upfront hardware investment. I feel like they've learned what PS learned with PSNow long ago. We're not ready to stream games and it's only gonna lose them money to try at this point

FinalFantasyFanatic4d ago

I would love that, I'd buy up some of the Xbox games if they could run on PC, like the Rare Replay, Lost Odyssey and Dead or Alive Ultimate, probably a pipe dream though.

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Nintendo's War Against Player-Made Content Will Hurt The Company In The End

Danish from eXputer: "Nintendo has historically gone against player-made content and emulation of its games. This has done much to harm the company's image."

XiNatsuDragnel12d ago

I agree nintendo hire some these folks to help in your games it'll help imo.

banger8811d ago

They need to stop announcing these mods and fan remakes until they're finished. Finish it, upload it, and then if Nintendo dmca's it tough shit. Once it's online, people can share it around, even if the original download gets taken down.

Jingsing11d ago

True, but most modders need constant admiration during the process to motivate them.

PRIMORDUS10d ago

Yup, once it's a torrent nothing can be done Nintendo is helpless at that point. But it would be wise if they just had a site on the dark web, it's also easy to use with Tor and no one will bother you.

mastershredder10d ago

This is all coming from the mouth of short-sighted fandom and grifting madness.
No.... it wont. There is a clear defined reason why they don't. This is nothing new. Make your own shi7 from your own original ideas especially if you are trying to capitalize of it it. Duh.

Yeah, hire people that have zero respect or understanding for an established process. Wow. Yep. Totally makes sense.

shinoff218310d ago

Those guys that made that sonic game got a gig from sega or something along those lines and that game was dope as hell. One of the best sonics as of late.