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Why Sony Should Exit The Console Hardware Business

Joel Taveras writes, "When you think the word ‘PlayStation,’ what immediately comes to mind? Is it high end hardware? Is it Blu-Ray? Oh, I know, it’s 3D gaming, isn’t it? Come on, who am I kidding? It’s obviously none of these things.

When you think PlayStation, the first thing that should come to mind are the iconic characters and games. Memorable archetypes that have stood — and will stand — the test of time. Favorites like Jack and Daxter, Kratos, Sly, Nathan Drake and the list goes on and on. It’s Sony’s first party DNA that has paved the way to make PlayStation, and, more importantly, Sony Computer Entertainment, what it is today."

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Resistance_lord4206d ago

What was that about Price Increase?.

darthv724206d ago (Edited 4206d ago )

a company exit unless it is under certain situations. The "A", #1 would be if they are the ONLY one supporting it. A good example would be SNK.

They were a great company that made fun arcade games and tried their hand at the home console market. Problem was, they were pretty much the only ones making games for their home arcade console.

There were a few third parties but nothing to the extent of support like other platforms had. Looking back at Sony's track record, their original focus (in games) was as a software house. Mickey Mania and Hook are still a couple of my favorite Sony Imagesoft games.

Their entry INTO consoles was at the hand of Nintendo. I mean they had been making chips (video and sound) for the N and sega platforms and when approached to cooperate on a CD drive for the SNES I really fely it was a good decision Nintendo made.

Nintendo didnt think so but at least Sony was able to take their idea and turn it into something personal. something they would own and be proud of. People tend to forget that sony, essentially, was in the same situation that MS is now.

They didnt have the stable of in house studios to make dedicated games back then so they had to make deals for titles with the same companies Sega was courting for their Saturn. i guess we could say that was the original time when paying for exclusives wasnt considered a bad thing.

What worked for them was they were new. They offered a new perspective on an entertainment medium that was considered childs play. Sega was somewhat taken more seriously in the Genesis days but even they knew they were getting overlooked by the shiny newcomer. Sony had ideas then (they still do) but obviously delivering on them was a risk because they were new.

Seems like the risk paid off in the end. So here we are, many MANY years later and another newcomer has entered the ring. MS. Plenty said it wouldnt work and i have to think back to that same sentiment when sony entered the ring. Two different companies and yet the same public opinion.

Kudos to sony for winning over the public and becoming a viable force in the gaming business. So now, why cant we give MS the same respect? That answer.....is like "how many licks it takes to get to the tootsie roll center of a tootsie pop" the world may never know.

sikbeta4206d ago

SLim V2 is more expensive than V1 Slim, it has no fancy and awesome slot-loading drive, dust-magnet top-loading tray (laser could get f@#*ed by that) + ridges and honestly, that's like cheapest plastic ever, I mean difference is kind of too obvious going from fatty -> Slim -> Slimmer

O-T

I don't want Sony to exit the console race, but there isn't much that can be done if they keep sinking like they do, I don't have problems switching to XBX3 or Wii-U as my main console, but sure PlayStation will be missed

Dee_914206d ago

He's basically saying Sony should stop making hardware and let the developers make games for xbox and wii ........................
I dont even..

MikeMyers4206d ago

There's no need in Sony abandoning the console market, at least not until the demand goes away. What I think will happen is what we perceive as a game console will slowly change with each system like we've been seeing. Consoles today do a lot more than just gaming. Sony's acquisition of Gaikai will also change what a console does and further extend Sony's reach of getting consumers.

InactiveUser4206d ago

Sony is still on pace to finish this generation in 'first place' in terms of hardware sales; unlike the 'third place finish' the article mentions.

They have already 'won' this generation in terms of quantity and quality of full retail exclusives.

The PS3 is likely to surpass the 360 in hardware sales within a few months, if not about April 2013 at the latest when GoW: Ascension, Beyond: Two Souls, etc. release.

After that it sets it's sight on the Wii, which is nearly dead in the water with sales plummeting and little software incoming with the release of the Wii U.

Combine the very slow future growth of the Wii's totals with the fact that the PS3 has yet to hit the mass market / impulse buy $199, $179, $149 or similar price points. It's clear the PS3 is extremely unlikely to have a 'third place finish' this gen.

guitarded774206d ago

Sony would be the last of the big 3 I'd want to leave the hardware field. I personally like having three strong companies... it drives innovation, competition and makes gaming better.

GarandShooter4206d ago

@ Darth

Nothing has changed, but technology. The human animal didn't change in the time span between the PS1 release and the Xbox release. There have always been idiots, they just have a more readily available forum now.

If anything, I blame Al Gore and his invention of the internet.

yoshiroaka4206d ago (Edited 4206d ago )

He fails to realize the reason sony makes great games as well as original games that takes risks is to support their console.

If the game flops it doesnt matter because its about pushing their console and the console makes them money through royalties etc. If they dont have a console to push then the effort and risks they take will not be as great. They may even turn to a sub par developer. Almost every game Sega made used to be great when they had a console to push. But not so much now.

Even a great studio like Naughty Dog cant make and uncharted quality game on the same level with a gimped budget.
If sony didnt have the money or potential money coming in from its consoles to justify blowing a huge budget on games then the games will suffer.

RumbleFish4206d ago

What are all those so called journalists smoking? SONY are selling and supporting 4 consoles at the moment.
PS2, PS3, PSP and PS Vita.
Why should they stop making consoles?

I must be drunk that I'm on this site again...

knowyourstuff4206d ago (Edited 4206d ago )

LMAO yeah you'd have to be drunk to eat a single word of the nonsense that goes on on this stupid website that has all the integrity of a tabloid magazine that does nothing but make sh*t up over and over again. There are so many trolls, and idiots with no writing skills fishing for hits, it's just all nonsense and anyone with an IQ above 80 knows it.

Sony is doing just fine, they make all the best exclusives, they certainly take more risks and innovate and drive the industry forward more than anyone else, and the only ones who want them in the business anymore are their competitors, and the fanboys that support their competitors.

Getowned4206d ago (Edited 4206d ago )

I'm not even reading this, there is no need at all for Sony to leave the gaming/console business. Why was this approved. I'm not a Fanboy I've liked most consoles and play on PC often, but ever since the Wii U was announced people have been out on full force to attack Sony and try to discourage PS fans. Doom and gloom playstation articles seem all the rage lately and no one brings any prof at all. I don't wany any of the big 3 to stop making consoles, and the day one of them drops will be a vary dark time in gaming history.

Actually, I desided to read this article, and I've come to the conclusion that who ever wrote this dosen't know a damn thing about what he's talking about, he's only grasping at straws that are unimportant in the big picture. Infact most, if not all of his arguments are extremely flawed and under researched. This article dosen't deserve the attention it has gathered. I don't care who's in first or last place in this "war" that some fanboys have invented, but this is just idiotic.

To sum up what I've wanted to say.
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

-Superman-4206d ago

Sony has gave one of the best console games exclusives, and now exist hardware business?
God of war, littlebigplanet, uncharted, mgs and all those games...
The less Competition there is, the less games microsoft and nintendo are going to make.
More Competition is always better.

doogiebear4205d ago (Edited 4205d ago )

@Darthv72:

Microsoft is run by a bunch of casual-audience-loving, greedy, money hungry, kinect pushers. Microsoft spends more money making commercials that deceptively fool people into thinking that the average AAA 3rd party game is exclusive to xbox, INSTEAD of ACTUALLY spending the money fee's from Live on actual exclusives. Plus even after charging just to play online, M$ pockets your money any way because the pay for their online through all the ads on Live. Why in the heck are there ads? So microsoft is the biggest band of crooks to grace the gaming world. They've introduced more negative trends into the industry then any other company. Don't get mad at me if u got an xbox--I honestly mean no disrespect. But if Sony was doing half the dumb stuff MS puts it's customers through, then i'd be condemning Sony too. Fortunately Sony is still loyal to gamers (for now).

pixelsword4205d ago

I think the closet fanboy journalists are still bitter about Mass Effect...

zeeshan4205d ago

Think someone should write an article about this author with the title that reads, "Why this {insert_author_name_here} should quite writing lame-ass articles".

TheMrMadzen4205d ago

What was that? I couldn't hear you over the 500GB!

Peppino74205d ago

This writer should exit the writing industry.

morganfell4205d ago (Edited 4205d ago )

I'll repeat what I said in another article. Dualshockers publishes this article.

Then some guy called Dualshockers_Carlos submits this article:

My 2 Cents: "The Last of Us Probably Won't Sell Very Well"

http://n4g.com/news/1100413...

Pattern of hate? Agenda? One is owned by Dan Curtis and the other by Joel Taveras but the evidence is pretty clear.

And to answer the critics of that thought, I don't remember seeing any " Why Microsoft should get out of the hardware business/game industry" articles despite only having two consoles, one for which they dropped support fairly quickly and the second which suffered the biggest hardware failure debacle in the history of gaming.

Add to this their studio killing practice and one can only scratch their head over why Sony is the one constantly targeted. It is Sony who has had several great and well supported consoles and handhelds and an expansive and broad library of games that are the ones targeted for continual hammering by adolescent writers serving a certain piece of competing hardware.

It's fairly easy to spot a website like dualshockers that has no grasp of the industry, provides no service to the demographic about whose hobby they write, and is run by a transparent agenda driven individual. The sooner websites like his disappear the better we as gamers will be.

SolidStoner4205d ago

or..

why should stupid people never get born!?

G20WLY4205d ago (Edited 4205d ago )

This was written by the same genius that wrote a 430 degree, hit-hunting article on why he was going to trade in his Vita for a tablet lmao!

Notorious Sony doubter/hater - hardly level headed, bias-free journalism...

On topic: I couldn't disagree more with his article(s).

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HarryMasonHerpderp4206d ago (Edited 4206d ago )

Yes Sony makes great software and we do think about their iconic characters when you hear the word Playstation, but they also make great hardware for us to play as these characters.
The guys got a point and I can see where he's coming from but Sony are good at making hardware, they make slick and reliable consoles.

Unlimax4205d ago (Edited 4205d ago )

I don't know what the story of these people with Sony itself!

Jealousy blinded insight ... They know that a playstation device is the most successful gaming system throughout the ages.

I would like to know what Microsoft did to the gaming industry with their useless platform called "Xbox" since 2001 ..

Kinect >> Sony Eye Toy ( 2000 )
Multiplayer >> Dreamcast did that already ( 1998 ) !

slayorofgods4205d ago

Microsoft is as it has always been.. A company that takes old ideas and markets them to the mainstream. The eye toy and dream casts multiplayer were half-hearty decisions to kind of test the water. The thing Microsoft does, just as they did with windows, is they take that idea and they market it and they push it as if it is the next big thing. AKA they actually take a risk with it to get it out there. Lets face it Sony's eye toy isn't very commonly known and hand movement in games would not have reached the mainstream without kinect, just like multiplayer online.

Thatguy-3104206d ago

Nope they have built a stable ecosystem that has a variety of games. Saying that they should exit the console hardware business is like asking Nintendo the same question. Nintendo and Sony are stapled into the "Gaming" industry whether people like it or not. Each have shared ups and downs but they are what GAMING has built up to be.

TheRacingX4205d ago

Ditto....and even though all companies are out to make $$$ and loads of it, Sony cares about its customer and values the $ you just gave it, and wants to make sure you enjoy what they just sold you for a long time so you come back again to buy their next product as well.....brand loyalty

I own both a 360 and an original Xbox, I loved the 1st Xbox, lots of new and original stuff, yeah I may have been peeved they squoze my beloved Sega out of the market, taking everything the Dreamcast tried and did and called it Xbox live, but that was OK , I still got the great Sega games along with new stuff like Mechassault, Crimson skies, Brute Force, etc, but then the 360 came, and after some initial offerings...the new and original stuff dried up, it turned to "exclusive DLC" which I still have to pay for, "improved" xbox live which I seemed to be paying more and more for, then....a melted console... "dont worry we'll fix it, nothings wrong" ......then another, then "sorry we wont fix it anymore buy another"....I'm sorry but microsoft lost me, they did everything to GET me as a customer but did NOTHING to keep me as a customer...

shutUpAndTakeMyMoney4206d ago (Edited 4206d ago )

If they left I would also exit. And stick with using only my pc.

Unmatched quality on console would also exit the market.
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

GribbleGrunger4206d ago (Edited 4206d ago )

Just Sony?

PSP/PS3/PS2/PSVita/PSMobile.. .

How about a company that has contributed little and only has one console?

jujubee884206d ago (Edited 4206d ago )

Have you seen some of Sony's/SCE's marketing for those respective services/products?

PSP: Racist commercials. Made a reputation for itself trying to combat piracy and failing.

PSV: SCE/Sony are spending millions on PSV marketting when all they need now is a price drop and sink more money into games/ideas for games.

PSM: No marketing yet, I guess it is still in beta?...

...I mean, the Playstation Mobile Ads (on YT) look like they promote htc, Asus, other partners, the fact VITA can play PSM content, etc. while neglecting to sell other indy devs on the fact PSM is the only ONLY platform in town that can play on multiple Android hardware (old or new w/out a hitch as long as its certified), has a great DRM guidelines, and will have the backing of PSN ... FREAKING PLAYSTATION NETWORK, THE HOME OF AAA FRANCHISES, JOURNEY, ETC!!!

Yet, this is the commercial SCE's/Sony's marketting team made for PSM...

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

... I think I am going to get a headache. Their messaging is just so out of tune with PSM. ~.~'

darthv724206d ago (Edited 4206d ago )

your examples look strangely familiar. as if there was once another platform holder that was trying to do too many things at the same time.

In fact, I would suggest Sony NOT be as supportive as they are trying to be. i know that may sound crazy but wouldnt it make better sense for them to focus on a single platform within the different markets?

PS3 for console, PSV for portable and the PSMobile for everything else in mobility. Yes that would mean them discontinuing support for PS2 and PSP. But that support would then be turned towards their current platforms.

Support for the discontinued lines would (could) still come from outside sources. i mean even nintendo knew when to change gears and put all their efforts into the SNES. The NES continued thanks to strong 3rd party relations. Yeah its funny to read "Nintendo" and "strong 3rd party relations" in the same sentence.

By no way is Sony like Sega in terms of losing $$ and support. But they ARE like Sega in trying to be the main line of support for ALL of their platforms. Even ones that are certainly past their prime.

Remember, Sega was supporting Genesis, CD, 32X, Saturn, Master system (in other countries) AND Game gear. That is 6 platforms with a 7th (Dreamcast) in the works. Its no wonder why Sega did what they did.

i am only offering up the idea that sony play things a bit closer to their chest. PS3, PSV and PSMobile should be their main focus. Let the other platforms continue to be supported by other means.

GribbleGrunger4205d ago (Edited 4205d ago )

Yes, too much diversity CAN have an adverse effect, I agree, but this is how Sony have always done business since 1946, when Masaru Ibuka (who ran an electronics shop) was eventually joined by Akio Morita and they then formed Sony. They then went on to create the worlds first tape recorder.

Sony was built up with the family business ethos central to their strategy and gained a reputation as the 'Everyman' company, eschewing immediate profits for long term investment. And I think it paid off, don't you?

At the heart of Sony's philosophy is the idea that you can only expect support if you continuously supply demand and deliver on that promise regardless of whether it always serves the consumer better than yourself. This reputation may well be slightly old fashioned in todays markets where money moves digitally around the world in seconds, but to Sony's credit they have stuck fast to that strategy.

Because Sony have that reputation, developers know that Sony mean it when they say their consoles will have a ten year lifecycle, which is why I find it odd when people laughed when they also included the Vita in that strategy. This is WHY support for PS1 and PS2 (and now PSP) carried on even after the new consoles had released.

Look at the long term prospects, not just the short term gains: PSP games will eventually find a new market on the Vita and PSP owners are more likely to eventually upgrade to a Vita when the price drops. PS2 is now a 'branding' console and offers a cheap alternative for the first time buyer, who can then get cheap second hand games to play.

All of this is now under one umbrella, PSN and Sony complete organisation is under SEN. This centralizes everything and makes distribution of resources key. Now how do you distribute those resources to all PS branded goods and beyond? You buy Gaikai

andibandit4205d ago

@gribblegrunger

You are illuminating sonys problem......jack of all trades, king of none. I wish they would pour their skills into making one fantastic product, instead og making a bunch of good ones. Maybe if they only had one product, they would market it like they should.

GribbleGrunger4205d ago

It's not a problem per-say. Last gen, no one thought Sony's strategy was wrong, it's only because they're success has diminished that people say it now. NO business can find the top line and expect it to remain stable forever, there are always going to be dips because of competition.

The company will go up again at some point and all this will be forgotten. Remember that the PS3 is approaching 6 years and has 'at least' another 4 years of shelf life. The PSP is 7 years old and will continue for another 3 years and the PS2 is still selling. The Vita is no different.

It is NOT the gaming department that is losing them money, it's their TVs and Cameras, and this is because of 'competition'. Hold fast and watch. Only consumers engage in short-termism.

SegataShanshiro4205d ago

Nobody cared about online on consoles until halo 2 came out....ps2 did not make online on consoles famous, it was the hecksbawx that you hate so much

And lol at the disagrees cause facts are facts like them or not

GribbleGrunger4205d ago

The HDD bay in the PS2 was there for a reason. Originally, Sony was going to create an online infrastructure but decided against it because online just wasn't good enough or stable enough. Even now it isn't perfect but it was much worse back then. They just waited a generation.

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knifefight4206d ago

Read more in my upcoming book: Why Dualshockers Should Exit The Journalism Business.

Syntax-Error4206d ago (Edited 4206d ago )

"Why Sony should partner with Microsoft for console domination"

MS-Handles online development and OS
Sony-Handles hardware
Both split production cost and design

Software development remains the same and everyone wins. THE END

SilentNegotiator4206d ago

Sony never hit as far bottom as Nintendo with the Gamecube. Why shouldn't Sony be given the chance to continue?

Benjamminkno4206d ago

I don't know. Vita is doing worse wouldn't you say?

SilentNegotiator4205d ago

Come off it. It's not even a year old.

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moparful994205d ago

Why dualshockers should exit the journalism business.. See above....

CarlosX3604205d ago (Edited 4205d ago )

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!

News piece/Topic title is stupid. BOOOOO!

IAmLee4205d ago

Another day, another hate article about SONY.
Who keeps approving this Bullshit..

geddesmond4205d ago

Lol my thoughts exactly. Yeah Sony should leave one of the only divisions making them money lol. The media is plagued with amateurs writing about their opinions

morkendo234205d ago (Edited 4205d ago )

from KNOWYOURSTUFF

"this stupid website that has all the integrity of a tabloid magazine that does nothing but make sh*t up over and over again"

and yet people still come here on a daily base complainting,whining,crying about sh't they dont know about for hits.

chriski3334205d ago

why doesnt this trolling writer leave the business

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Merrill4206d ago

Please rename this article to: "Why DualShockers Joel Taveras Should Exit Game Journalism"

If Microsoft and Nintendo were my only choice I would exit buying future systems.

HammadTheBeast4206d ago

Yes Joel, Sony should just "exit" the market with one of their most profitable areas. Smart decision right? /sarcasm.

JoelT4206d ago

I'm sorry I didn't know that it was a shiny piece of plastic and metal that entertained you for all these years.

Is it not the games that make the system? Does it really matter what they are played on?

MattyG4206d ago (Edited 4206d ago )

So you're saying that a Wii has all the same games a PlayStation has?Yes, the system does matter. If they left the console race, do you think those games would still happen? I don't think they would just get handed off to Nintendo or Microsoft. And quite frankly I'm not sure they'd want their rivals old franchises on their consoles.

Merrill4206d ago (Edited 4206d ago )

In a word JoelT, Yes.

Without that "shiny piece of plastic and metal" that you so elegantly described, there wouldn't be some of the most amazing games ever created. Must I name all the contributions brought to the industry because of Sony??

Do you think these IP's would continue to exits and flourish under the rule of Microsoft alone? Christ, even with competition in the marketplace Microsoft doesn't innovate or bring new IP's worth playing(in my opinion) to gamers. Imagine only them...

If anything should exit the game industry next gen, it should be the current gaming "Journalism" model adopted by people like you. Write about something that doesn't get fanboys all riled up, eh? One can dream...

moegooner884206d ago (Edited 4206d ago )

What's up with Dualshockers these days, first a flambait article about Resident Evil being a crappy series since launch, and now this, I guess you guys are desperate for hits, what a shame, I used to have such respect for you guys, ... well not any more

unworthyBOZO4206d ago

"I'm sorry I didn't know that it was a shiny piece of plastic and metal that entertained you for all these years.

Is it not the games that make the system? Does it really matter what they are played on?"

Wow so this is what game journalism is, that's pretty fucking sad and pathetic.

Seraphemz4206d ago

Im sorry, but this is horse sh*t, these articles are complete nonsense, written by jerks like this guy???

I cant believe the crap that is posted on this site now, it used to be about NEWS, now its overun by dribble like this.

RivetCityGhoul4206d ago

it's called competition. competition is what drives the industry dumbass. take your journalism elsewhere cause its not needed here.

Man-E-Faces4206d ago

"Is it not the games that make the system?"

JoelT, you must be confused and mistook Sony PlayStation for Microsoft Xbox. Yes?

vividi4206d ago

this guy is insane LOL!

dredgewalker4205d ago

It matters a lot, if there was only one restaurant in the world then it would be really a sad place to eat...

raWfodog4203d ago

It seems I'm late to the party as this article and thread is already two days old but I would still liek to weigh in?

Simple answer: The vast majority of the great IPs and characters we have come to know and love simply may not have existed if Sony never came out with their own console. So, yes, it kind of does matter what system they are played on, if that system is primarily responsible for that games existence.

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Godmars2904206d ago

I still wonder if not for Sony building up the industry past what Nintendo did in their time if MS would have gotten into it. Or what, given that they've only played it safe, things would be like if it was still only Nintendo and Sega.

Man-E-Faces4206d ago

It's been said Microsoft only entered the gaming industry to throw a monkey wrench into PlayStation's growing household dominance, Microsoft never cared to progress gaming they copied many features and their controller from the departed Sega. Just look at how stagnant they are now in the games department, sure they'll pump a few new ip's when their new system launches then it's back to the same formula they have now. I don't trust Microsoft they come off as a very shady company!

Jazz41084206d ago (Edited 4206d ago )

And people still argue that n4g is not biased towards Sony. These comments would look alot diffrent if it was ms exiting that I can promise. As far as people saying sony will overtake ms this fall can you please stop repeating the same crap every year as its getting redicoulous. Ms always gets outsold by sony until the holiday and thats when ms outsells sony by way more then sony has the entire year. If you really think thats going to change with Halo4 coming then you are Nuts or bonkers. History has repeated itself every year so far and sony has by far there weakest fall release schedule by far. I expect them to be back further then 2 million consoles maybe 3 by the end of the holidays if history keeps repeating itself. As far as the article goes I dont agree with it. We do need competition and sony is a great competitor. I dont feel they are going anywhere as if anything sony would drop all there products and focus on gaming like nintendo before exiting there most profitable area.

Benjamminkno4206d ago (Edited 4206d ago )

That is interesting. More competition is better. However, I would prefer gaming companies still have a say in hardware decisions. I would point to Sony's SNES, and Micro's DC copied controllers as evidence of their unwillingness to innovate. I don't like the idea of "Entertainment companies" dominating the console arena. I think it's unfair that these companies can lose billions on new consoles and underprice their hardware then wait 5 years to try to monopolize the industry. There would be no casual market to appeal to, or have the 'Move/Kinect', without Nintendo it's that simple. Could Nintendo take losses like the PS3, Xbox or 360 did? Hell no. But it would be a sad day when Mario doesn't decide what kind of controller he uses. I don't want to imagine gaming without Sony or Nintendo. What has Microsoft ever contributed to this industry?

portal_24206d ago

Why is there article after article after article, day after day regarding Sony in a negative way. These writers and their "opinions" make me ashamed of the gaming industry. Always directed at Sony, always. Well big news opinion-minions Sony isn't exiting the hardware business.

GenHero4206d ago

it's because people give these sites hits, if people would just ignore these articles they will go away.

knifefight4206d ago

Haha crap I made my reply before scrolling down to read this one! XD

Oh well, high five!

CarlosX3604205d ago

I wouldn't go that far, but the sentiment is mutual.

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Resistance_lord4206d ago

DualShockers Joel Taveras what are you doing?, Joel Taveras. Stahp!

GraveLord4206d ago

It's the hardware.
Look at PS3, look at Vita. BOTH state of the art at the time of their release.(Vita still is).

Sony makes the best hardware.
Microsoft makes the best sofware.
Nintendo makes the best games.(arguably)

Gen0ne4206d ago

Ummm... isn't software games?

Sheikh Yerbouti4206d ago (Edited 4206d ago )

software ~= LIVE

Independent devs make the best games. Nintendo has the best character line-up.

Blastoise4206d ago

Microsoft make the best software?

No, gonna have to disagree there. As for Hardware depends on what you mean, Specs wise the PS3 is obviously best but for reliability and least crashes ect you gotta give it to the Wii.

Bloodraid4206d ago

The PS3 has the best specs? That's why Bethesda and Sony couldn't manage to get the Skyrim DLC working, right?

madjedi4205d ago (Edited 4205d ago )

@bloodraid And yet many sony first party games run almost flawlessly, so that tells me it's not a hardware, if sony 1st party devs aren't having problems.

"That's why Bethesda and Sony couldn't manage to get the Skyrim DLC working, right?" Which bethesda admitted is a problem on their end and not sony's.

Plz get some new and good exclusives to brag about, because the superior multiplatform argument was dated 3 yrs ago. It's gotten hilariously sad by now.

@Article Fuck you mr author, having sony titles limited to either nintendo's bare minimum specs philosophy.

Or ms's how fast can we drop the core/hardcore gamers that built the xbox to it's current success to chase after nintendo's market.

Yeah nintendo was dictating to every developer what the hardware will be limited to at one point in time. And thankfully sony said screw that we want to push technologies limits, not drag our feet because we can.

Nintendo gets praised for saving the gaming industry, i am just glad sony was there to save it from nintendo's refusal to adapt to advancing technology.

Sony leaving the console industry would cause more shockwaves than either ms or nintendo quitting. Only one company is seriously pushing the boundaries of gaming, and it definitely isn't nintendo's play it safe approach.

Nintendo or ms is all thats left, stagnation city.

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Sony Taps Bungie's Head of Revenue to Lead Live-Service Games

Sony has recruited Bungie's head of revenue Jaremy Rich to head up its live-service gaming division, Rich has announced on social media.

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ChasterMies14d ago

Please do not put Destiny’s monetization into Sony’s first party games. The monetization is what’s driving players away from Destiny.

just_looken14d ago

The new temp boss is the sony cfo bean counter so i can see this being a thing get every penny.

Cacabunga14d ago

PlayStation officially losing it.. fans will never support gaas games

just_looken14d ago

@car

The new boss did a interview in japan he wants to tap into the mobile market like nintendio so he give 0 fucks about gamers/fans

https://www.pushsquare.com/...

Redemption-6414d ago

@Cacabunga
You only speak for you and those who think like you, but most fans will support what they want. Playstation and PC fans are literally supporting Helldivers 2 and that is a gaas. Maybe you wouldn't, but many more would if they like it.

Huey_My_D_Long13d ago

@Redemption-64
Look, Im not making any judgement calls about this guy, but I will say that Helldivers 2 GaaS model is unique to Helldivers, and legit the only other game I can think of thats similiar was the Avengers game except HD2 pass is still better.
The fact that you can earn in game currency in a way that doesnt make you feel like you have to grind forever, as well you being able work on that pass that you bought...on your own time without a time limit...that right there is fucking huge to me, and I can't name any game other than avengers that avoided trapping players with FOMO logic...I think GaaS on HD2 shouldn't be compared to the rest of the industry...it should be copied.

Einhander197213d ago

Cacabunga

Helldivers 2...

Redemption-64

In Europe it's a 60 40 split favoring PC.
In the US its a 60 40 split favoring PS5.

So PlayStation owners supported the game just fine, it's not getting carried by PC or anything like that.

FinalFantasyFanatic13d ago

@just_looken,
I'm perfectly fine with the way Nintendo entered the mobile market, I never touched their mobile games, meanwhile, the console/handheld stayed the way it is. As for being a bean counter, he's probably going to reel in these massive budgets that Sony's studios have had lately, I haven't played Spiderman 2, but I cannot see how they almost tripled the budget for that game.

@Redemption-64,
That's an exception to the rule, I'm expecting a lot of these GAAS games from Sony to fail, to be fair, they only need a few to succeed, but I would have preferred that they put more of their resources into other types of games.

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DivineHand12514d ago

True their monetization is driving players away and at the same time, their decision to chop out content and convoluted systems is keeping new players away from the game.

Joe91314d ago

I don't think that will happen based on how things worked out at Naughty Dog now that we know what we do, seems they had the option to fully commit to live service games or stay making single player experences so they gave up on their live service game. We are not sure how things came about with Bend making a live service game but I hope that was not a forced situation. Sony doesnt seem like they are forcing studios to switch up but we will see, Sony's bread and butter is single player games it is how they dominated the console market.

Obscure_Observer14d ago

Yeah, I though Sony learned something from all their failures in the LS segment under Bungie´s disastrous leadership and supervision which led to games been cancelled, studios closed and all the people laid off.

Looks like Bungie still plays a major role in Sony´s LS initiative and Sony is not backtracking on their GaaS plans.

S2Killinit14d ago (Edited 14d ago )

Are we forgetting that Destiny is also a highly successful franchise? I feel like that definitely deserves mention here.

Besides, there is no reason why a person cant learn from past experiences.

Joe91313d ago

I agree, people act as if Destiny flopped when it came out lol it took 9 to 10 years for the numbers to fall yet people are still playing it add the success of Helldivers 2 no wonder Sony is going forward down this path.

S2Killinit13d ago

Personally, I see no problem with Sony also having service games as long as they make good ones, and more importantly they deliver the AAA story driven games that they are known for. So yeah, I agree 100% with you.

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Christopher14d ago

I mean, this person made some pretty bad decisions at Bungie. I hope they've learned from them because I definitely don't see those type of ideas as good for PlaySation in general.

CrimsonWing6913d ago (Edited 13d ago )

Honestly, what’s to learn from? How to make people happily continuously dump money into a single game over its life-time? Buy season passes continuously for several years with a smile on our faces?

GaaS is a design decision that is everything wrong with this industry. The fact that Helldivers 2 did so well and people defend the monetization because it was $40 and is a fun game, scares the sh*t out of me to see that the door is open and all shift will probably be to replicate that in future games. We already know the ROI for traditional game dev cost isn’t doing it for them.

I thought with Jimbo leaving we’d see a change for the better… I’m not so sure now.

S2Killinit13d ago

Service games are being offered by everyone. Sony cannot afford to only create single player AAA games. No one can. They already said they will be doing both.

Abnor_Mal14d ago (Edited 14d ago )

Ps5 gamers in 2023 seemed to play more live service types of games, so regardless to how people feel about them, numbers don’t lie and Sony is going where the money is. I mean look at the excitement around Helldivers2, people are showing that they want live service games.

Christopher14d ago

They play long-time existing live service games like CoD, Fortnite, Apex Legends, Destiny 2, and the like. Mass majority of new live service games are considered failures and aren't moving gamers away from older games.

just_looken14d ago

Yep the huge issue with live service is they need paid players along with a reason to play them.

You forgot mobile market that also taps into that player base as well as the eve online style games there is only a certain amount of krakens/whales blind supporters compared to the amount of live service games we have its not sustainable math wise.

700 restaurants making food for every seat for 1000-3000 eaters just does not work out

Einhander197213d ago (Edited 13d ago )

Christopher

I am not a big live service fan and literally own zero of the games you listed, but that is not true, unless you call games that aren't the top games to be failures.

There are tons of live service games that are profitable.

Games don't have to be the biggest game ever they just need to make more than they cost.

I challenge you to show professionally prepared data that shows that more live service games fail than make enough to keep going.

Because all the data that I have seen shows that live service is less of a gamble than making a big AAA budget game which needs to survive off retail sales.

FinalFantasyFanatic13d ago

I sometimes wonder if we're at saturation point, where it's hard for a new game to join those ranks unless it's particularly exceptional, people only have so much time and money to devote to these types of games.

romulus2314d ago

Correction, they have no issue playing good live service games

shinoff218313d ago

Lol it's not even a quarter of the ps5s sold. Helldivers may have been a hit but let's not say most are enjoying it because truth is most(the real most ) don't care about it.

S2Killinit13d ago (Edited 13d ago )

I play what is fun. If a live service game is good I’ll play it as long as its not a money scheme which Helldivers is not.

And Im a single player gamer.

mastershredder14d ago

How do you kill a franchise that already been killed?
Destiny’s grind, cash-in-on-playbass-cha-Ching, and pop-culture-insertion mainstream-me-too bs totally killed any rep Bungie had. Sony/Bungie, if you are doing this to ward-off players, it’s already working.

crazyCoconuts14d ago

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Sony May Soon Let You Decide How Much NPCs Talk In Games

Sony has patented to add multiple dialogue modes to let players switch between how many conversations with NPCs they want in the game.

blackblades20d ago

Sony is like the only ones outta the 3 that has atuff like like this pop up changing thing in ways.

just_looken20d ago

Sony in the past has always been first at bat with new ideas/tech but in the end never fully use it or just toss it away.

blackblades20d ago

I think they did use some but yeah most usually never happened but at least they thought about it. Sony seeks things like this and other, Nintendo seek different ways of playing going by there different controler designs and console designs.

just_looken20d ago (Edited 20d ago )

some of the other stuff sony want's/owns never used
https://gamerant.com/sony-p...
https://gamerant.com/sony-p...
https://www.eurogamer.net/s...
https://metro.co.uk/2023/03...
https://decrypt.co/114754/s...

monitor/adjust game difficultly as you play
https://www.techradar.com/g...

Sony nfts
https://www.theblock.co/pos...

Pay ai to play the game for you
https://thebusinessofesport...

Oh all the above last 12 months

I just imagine a evil scientist with test subjects when it comes down to sony recent patent reports.

Kaii20d ago

Will we get dialogue options that won't spoil puzzles in a matter of seconds? :p

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Judge rules in PlayStation's favour in $500m patent infringement lawsuit

Genuine Enabling Technology was seeking damages, claiming the tech allowing PlayStation consoles and controllers to communicate infringes its rights.

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S2Killinit21d ago

Big victory for Sony. And a long time coming.

DarXyde21d ago (Edited 21d ago )

Crazy to think the savings from this lawsuit allows them to develop one AAA game.

Make it Bloodborne 2, please and thank you.

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Profchaos21d ago

Sounds like patent trolling they tried the same thing against Nintendo with the same pattern.

Motion and control input traversing over higher and lower frequencies seperate from each other allowing the controller to do both

Pyrofire9521d ago

Patents suck. Most of them are complete garbage.

Knightofelemia21d ago

So to recoup the money Genuine is going to take on Nintendo or Microsoft next. I hate patent lawyers they are some of the worst bottom feeders out there.

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