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Sony brings hardware and services to TGS, but forgets games

EDGE - PlayStation 3 is slimming down. Again. At Sony’s lengthy Tokyo Game Show press conference on Tuesday, the company revealed a new PS3 model, half the size and weight of the original, but retaining the curved form factor of its predecessors.

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g-nome4228d ago

Well at least they are bringing more to the table than some other manufacturers and developers.

GuyManDude4228d ago

Indeed. Although I was hoping mightily for a new cross-platform Patapon game. That series is long overdue to see the light on PS3, and it would be a good fit on PSV also. An appearance from The Last Guardian would have been nice as well.

Even so, Sony announced plenty at E3 and Gamescom this year.

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darthv724228d ago

you really CANT please everyone.

If sony showed games, people would complain about them not showing hardware.

They show hardware and people complain about the games.

If they showed both games AND hardware Im sure people would complain about services or prices or whatever else they feel was lacking enough to make their point.

Its the same for MS and Nintendo and...you get the idea.

Complainers will complain because its all they know.

NewMonday4228d ago

no games?!!
i don't get this at all, most of the TGS games are coming to a PS3,PSP or Vita

Aceman184228d ago (Edited 4228d ago )

Man Sony can't seem to do enough for these self entitled gaming media types, and regular gamers.

What more do they want from them a cure to cancer, the end of hunger, world peace? Come on cut them some slack they showed plenty of new and original titles for the Vita back at Gamescom.

What do they have to do show new games at every presser? Why arent people complaining about the other companies not showing up or showing anything new?

This is the WORST gaming generation ive ever had the misfortune to be a part of in all my 30 plus years of gaming.

plmkoh4228d ago

Perhaps they missed the 5 new Vita games announced at the TGS press conference.

CGI-Quality4228d ago

Couldn't have put it better myself. Sad when a gaming company gets more grief than respect, even when they DID bring games!

ronin4life4228d ago

You mean all the psp games? Or the Wii port? Or the mystery game from a 3ds franchise, which may also be a port?

this thread is lacking in facts and details, and a lot of you are saying contradictory things.

Aceman184228d ago

@ronin

is that directed at me? i only mentioned Gamescom in my comment, i honestly forgot TGS was this week so if any new games were announced i dont know what they are lol.

but plmkoh below said there were 5 new games so why is the media complaining again about Sony?

ronin4life4228d ago

To be honest, people touting half truths and misinformation upset me, and this thread as a few people doing just that. BLAGH..°[]°//

The comment was directed at plmkoh, not you. I should have specified^_^;;

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DeadlyFire4228d ago

They have showed everything, but their PS4 games. I don't expect we will see them until E3 2013. We might get a GDC teaser of something though.

majiebeast4228d ago

Sony showed games at Gamescom,E3,GG and TGS. Gets lots of hate.
Microsoft showed *games* at E3. Doesnt get any hate from the media.
Nintendo shows mediocre,Ports at E3 and announces 1 new game for wiiu at their special presser and gets praised.

Am i the only 1 seeing whats wrong here?

CynicalKelly4228d ago

Everything is wrong here. The video game community is one of the most childish and butt hurt angry communities I have ever seen. It seems like it may indeed be filled with 12 year old kids.

I seen Sony come out with new breath taking IP's and I thought they looked like they would be an amazing story and experience, I seen Halo 4 and Gears of War 4 and thought they looked like great fun, I seen the Wii U and figured it would a hell load of fun to play something different and innovative.

Everybody else seems to just get angry and shout at each other, I am not sure if it's because they have just the one system or maybe cause the grew up with an abusive dad but it is really pathetic.

I refuse to believe that there is anybody out there who dislikes every single exclusive to a specific platform. All the "fanboys" that berate other consoles just says to me how poor and jealous they are.

HammadTheBeast4228d ago (Edited 4228d ago )

I like how everyone just expects games to start rolling off from Sony, when there's tons of great quality one's in development right now. People seem to have forgotten Games com.

Simon_Brezhnev4228d ago

Yet when we talk about this people call us the SDF. When its just facts.

ronin4life4228d ago

...
The only vita content shown so far at tgs are Multi platform games and ports, save for the delayed keiji inafune

THAT is also fact.

3Rd parties have been making strong showings for the 3ds at tgs. FAR stronger than any other platform. Another fact.

Since you guys don't disagree with facts, I guess I'll be fine... right?

rainslacker4228d ago

"The only vita content shown so far at tgs are Multi platform games and ports"

So they did show games which means it contradicts the article title. So what if they're ports? I have a Vita and will play a port just as easily as I will an exclusive

"3Rd parties have been making strong showings for the 3ds at tgs. FAR stronger than any other platform. Another fact."

actually both these statements are subjective, although ones that can be backed up with logical reasons, but still just an opinion.

smashcrashbash4228d ago (Edited 4228d ago )

Very well said. Sony gets hit from all sides as soon as they don't go all out.They showed games at every gaming event this year for all their systems including VITA.Microsoft stayed at home showed nothing at E3 barely did anything. And they got away scott free because they showed Smart glass with little or no hate at all.But the moment at TGS Sony didn't blow everyone away suddenly it is back to kicking them in the ribs again.You make sense man. I am not sure why you only have one bubble. Here is one on me. And as usual ronin4life the living Nintendo shield is here. Typical.

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LightofDarkness4228d ago

Sony showed enough games this year; cut them some slack, eh?

It's not like MS or Nintendo were bowling us over at E3 or Gamescom with a truck-load of tantalizing exclusives. If you want someone to criticize, I believe you're ignoring the logs in the eyes of those two to point out the splinter in Sony's.

GreenRanger4228d ago

I was hoping Sony would focus mainly on the Vita and announce a few new IP's, but they didn't.

Aceman184228d ago

Come on dude the plentiful new IPs the showed at Gamescom wasnt enough for you?

jay24228d ago

PMSL, xboxs is the console we need games for, we got what FIVE in AUGUST? including 1 from Sony Japan

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Sony Taps Bungie's Head of Revenue to Lead Live-Service Games

Sony has recruited Bungie's head of revenue Jaremy Rich to head up its live-service gaming division, Rich has announced on social media.

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ChasterMies14d ago

Please do not put Destiny’s monetization into Sony’s first party games. The monetization is what’s driving players away from Destiny.

just_looken14d ago

The new temp boss is the sony cfo bean counter so i can see this being a thing get every penny.

Cacabunga14d ago

PlayStation officially losing it.. fans will never support gaas games

just_looken14d ago

@car

The new boss did a interview in japan he wants to tap into the mobile market like nintendio so he give 0 fucks about gamers/fans

https://www.pushsquare.com/...

Redemption-6414d ago

@Cacabunga
You only speak for you and those who think like you, but most fans will support what they want. Playstation and PC fans are literally supporting Helldivers 2 and that is a gaas. Maybe you wouldn't, but many more would if they like it.

Huey_My_D_Long13d ago

@Redemption-64
Look, Im not making any judgement calls about this guy, but I will say that Helldivers 2 GaaS model is unique to Helldivers, and legit the only other game I can think of thats similiar was the Avengers game except HD2 pass is still better.
The fact that you can earn in game currency in a way that doesnt make you feel like you have to grind forever, as well you being able work on that pass that you bought...on your own time without a time limit...that right there is fucking huge to me, and I can't name any game other than avengers that avoided trapping players with FOMO logic...I think GaaS on HD2 shouldn't be compared to the rest of the industry...it should be copied.

Einhander197213d ago

Cacabunga

Helldivers 2...

Redemption-64

In Europe it's a 60 40 split favoring PC.
In the US its a 60 40 split favoring PS5.

So PlayStation owners supported the game just fine, it's not getting carried by PC or anything like that.

FinalFantasyFanatic13d ago

@just_looken,
I'm perfectly fine with the way Nintendo entered the mobile market, I never touched their mobile games, meanwhile, the console/handheld stayed the way it is. As for being a bean counter, he's probably going to reel in these massive budgets that Sony's studios have had lately, I haven't played Spiderman 2, but I cannot see how they almost tripled the budget for that game.

@Redemption-64,
That's an exception to the rule, I'm expecting a lot of these GAAS games from Sony to fail, to be fair, they only need a few to succeed, but I would have preferred that they put more of their resources into other types of games.

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DivineHand12514d ago

True their monetization is driving players away and at the same time, their decision to chop out content and convoluted systems is keeping new players away from the game.

Joe91314d ago

I don't think that will happen based on how things worked out at Naughty Dog now that we know what we do, seems they had the option to fully commit to live service games or stay making single player experences so they gave up on their live service game. We are not sure how things came about with Bend making a live service game but I hope that was not a forced situation. Sony doesnt seem like they are forcing studios to switch up but we will see, Sony's bread and butter is single player games it is how they dominated the console market.

Obscure_Observer14d ago

Yeah, I though Sony learned something from all their failures in the LS segment under Bungie´s disastrous leadership and supervision which led to games been cancelled, studios closed and all the people laid off.

Looks like Bungie still plays a major role in Sony´s LS initiative and Sony is not backtracking on their GaaS plans.

S2Killinit14d ago (Edited 14d ago )

Are we forgetting that Destiny is also a highly successful franchise? I feel like that definitely deserves mention here.

Besides, there is no reason why a person cant learn from past experiences.

Joe91313d ago

I agree, people act as if Destiny flopped when it came out lol it took 9 to 10 years for the numbers to fall yet people are still playing it add the success of Helldivers 2 no wonder Sony is going forward down this path.

S2Killinit13d ago

Personally, I see no problem with Sony also having service games as long as they make good ones, and more importantly they deliver the AAA story driven games that they are known for. So yeah, I agree 100% with you.

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Christopher14d ago

I mean, this person made some pretty bad decisions at Bungie. I hope they've learned from them because I definitely don't see those type of ideas as good for PlaySation in general.

CrimsonWing6913d ago (Edited 13d ago )

Honestly, what’s to learn from? How to make people happily continuously dump money into a single game over its life-time? Buy season passes continuously for several years with a smile on our faces?

GaaS is a design decision that is everything wrong with this industry. The fact that Helldivers 2 did so well and people defend the monetization because it was $40 and is a fun game, scares the sh*t out of me to see that the door is open and all shift will probably be to replicate that in future games. We already know the ROI for traditional game dev cost isn’t doing it for them.

I thought with Jimbo leaving we’d see a change for the better… I’m not so sure now.

S2Killinit13d ago

Service games are being offered by everyone. Sony cannot afford to only create single player AAA games. No one can. They already said they will be doing both.

Abnor_Mal14d ago (Edited 14d ago )

Ps5 gamers in 2023 seemed to play more live service types of games, so regardless to how people feel about them, numbers don’t lie and Sony is going where the money is. I mean look at the excitement around Helldivers2, people are showing that they want live service games.

Christopher14d ago

They play long-time existing live service games like CoD, Fortnite, Apex Legends, Destiny 2, and the like. Mass majority of new live service games are considered failures and aren't moving gamers away from older games.

just_looken14d ago

Yep the huge issue with live service is they need paid players along with a reason to play them.

You forgot mobile market that also taps into that player base as well as the eve online style games there is only a certain amount of krakens/whales blind supporters compared to the amount of live service games we have its not sustainable math wise.

700 restaurants making food for every seat for 1000-3000 eaters just does not work out

Einhander197213d ago (Edited 13d ago )

Christopher

I am not a big live service fan and literally own zero of the games you listed, but that is not true, unless you call games that aren't the top games to be failures.

There are tons of live service games that are profitable.

Games don't have to be the biggest game ever they just need to make more than they cost.

I challenge you to show professionally prepared data that shows that more live service games fail than make enough to keep going.

Because all the data that I have seen shows that live service is less of a gamble than making a big AAA budget game which needs to survive off retail sales.

FinalFantasyFanatic13d ago

I sometimes wonder if we're at saturation point, where it's hard for a new game to join those ranks unless it's particularly exceptional, people only have so much time and money to devote to these types of games.

romulus2314d ago

Correction, they have no issue playing good live service games

shinoff218313d ago

Lol it's not even a quarter of the ps5s sold. Helldivers may have been a hit but let's not say most are enjoying it because truth is most(the real most ) don't care about it.

S2Killinit13d ago (Edited 13d ago )

I play what is fun. If a live service game is good I’ll play it as long as its not a money scheme which Helldivers is not.

And Im a single player gamer.

mastershredder14d ago

How do you kill a franchise that already been killed?
Destiny’s grind, cash-in-on-playbass-cha-Ching, and pop-culture-insertion mainstream-me-too bs totally killed any rep Bungie had. Sony/Bungie, if you are doing this to ward-off players, it’s already working.

crazyCoconuts14d ago

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Sony May Soon Let You Decide How Much NPCs Talk In Games

Sony has patented to add multiple dialogue modes to let players switch between how many conversations with NPCs they want in the game.

blackblades20d ago

Sony is like the only ones outta the 3 that has atuff like like this pop up changing thing in ways.

just_looken20d ago

Sony in the past has always been first at bat with new ideas/tech but in the end never fully use it or just toss it away.

blackblades20d ago

I think they did use some but yeah most usually never happened but at least they thought about it. Sony seeks things like this and other, Nintendo seek different ways of playing going by there different controler designs and console designs.

just_looken20d ago (Edited 20d ago )

some of the other stuff sony want's/owns never used
https://gamerant.com/sony-p...
https://gamerant.com/sony-p...
https://www.eurogamer.net/s...
https://metro.co.uk/2023/03...
https://decrypt.co/114754/s...

monitor/adjust game difficultly as you play
https://www.techradar.com/g...

Sony nfts
https://www.theblock.co/pos...

Pay ai to play the game for you
https://thebusinessofesport...

Oh all the above last 12 months

I just imagine a evil scientist with test subjects when it comes down to sony recent patent reports.

Kaii20d ago

Will we get dialogue options that won't spoil puzzles in a matter of seconds? :p

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Judge rules in PlayStation's favour in $500m patent infringement lawsuit

Genuine Enabling Technology was seeking damages, claiming the tech allowing PlayStation consoles and controllers to communicate infringes its rights.

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S2Killinit21d ago

Big victory for Sony. And a long time coming.

DarXyde21d ago (Edited 21d ago )

Crazy to think the savings from this lawsuit allows them to develop one AAA game.

Make it Bloodborne 2, please and thank you.

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Profchaos21d ago

Sounds like patent trolling they tried the same thing against Nintendo with the same pattern.

Motion and control input traversing over higher and lower frequencies seperate from each other allowing the controller to do both

Pyrofire9521d ago

Patents suck. Most of them are complete garbage.

Knightofelemia21d ago

So to recoup the money Genuine is going to take on Nintendo or Microsoft next. I hate patent lawyers they are some of the worst bottom feeders out there.

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