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Unlike the Xbox One, the Scorpio will not be some misguided attempt at redefining UI, or being a living room media box.
With smartphone Unsubsidized prices of $700-$800 too. Good luck selling this thing. Neo will be $450 and will be out before Scorpio. DOA
If you think the Scorpio is going to be $700-$800, then you don't even have enough knowledge to speak on the topic.
But the xbox one s is the same price as the xbone launched and i bet your one jumping all over it. For what 4k vid output and ao called hdr that hasnt been proven? You will find if a slim is costing the same price as the xbone released then you better believe the scorpio will more then likely be that price
Hey guess what? Everyone is right/wrong until there is actual facts to draw from. Reminds me of the PSVR pricegate where every day a new leaked price was 'confirmed'... so:
Neo will be 399
Scorpio will be 599
Prove me wrong.
Scorpio will be $499 for the Base 2Tb model and $599 for the 4Tb special
edition.
how so? I don't care about these devices in any sense...but his price points are hard to counter with anything factual...
I'm looking at scorpio as a win10 game store version of the surface series...MS used the surface pro devices to directly fight Apple's ipad line...and facking destroyed ipad's in like a year...as productivity tablets they're unmatched...and they're losing money as they price them so low they don't cover the marketing behind them....but they've almost pushed ipads, and android tablets out of the market entirely (but far from chromebooks, which are now android tablets automatically...and things got really weird this summer, but w/e)...
There is little doubt they'll do something similar with scorpio...They'll price it at something acceptable because it's not a 'device', its a product required for a service (win 10 and everything gaming related to it)...
Do people really think they're going to try to beat Sony by pushing out some crazy high priced console...when the only time they ever competed with Sony was when Sony pushed out a crazy high priced console? They're not that dumb...and they've got the financial backing to slide scorpio out a lot lower than many think. $700+ is laughable imo...I'd be blown away if the base version of the scorpio doesn't land at Xbox One launch prices, which i'd guess will be $50 to $100 more than 'neo'...
I'm not disagreeing with this, but Microsoft WILL follow Sony's pricing with NEO. It will not cost more if they have to take a loss.
I truly believe the Scorpio will be $500 for the base model and 600 dollars for the premium model, which is still expensive to console gamers imo. And it won't even have *Scorpio exclusive games* you'll be able to play every Microsoft new game on your Xbox one and PC
@Goldby I can almost guarantee every Microsoft game will be on Windows 10. Microsoft is trying to make more profit and it makes sense for them to put it on PC and Xbox One. If the developers wants to make more money they will put it on 360 and PC and every Windows 10 platform they can.
ShadowKnight----$500 dollars expensive ? i'm paying 2.5x that for my PC parts and i have never complained once about the price becuase i know what i'm getting when i invest my money into it same thing can be said about the xone scorpio you are investing money into good hardware so why complain if things turn out the way MS plans then Xone will be the stronger console of the three. so no i dont think 500$ is too much and if it is get a job or stop complaining about it becuase no one is going to give it to you for free unless you are a child. (EDIT) ah sorry shadow it wasnt aimed directly at you so dont take it personal i was saying in general
@OneShot huh? I'm not complaining I'm not even going to get a Scorpio because I have a PC. I was referring to most console gamers thinks that $500 is too much for a console. I remember when the PS3 was expensive at $499 and $599 and console gamers was complaining about the price until Sony made it more affordable. I invest my money on a great gpu already and just waiting for the games to come out from Microsoft.
Watch the egg when all of a sudden the Scorpio comes out like a cell phone and it's super cheap but you need to have Live for 2 years. Like a cell phone plan. Ha ha. Would sell tons.
Live is only $60 a year. So $120 for your two year plan. Not gonna happen. MS wouldn't make much money. Cell phone plans charge over 60 a MONTH.
@C02
The only way that would every remotely work is if they force you to pay $10/mo for Live rather than the $60 annual subscription. And even then it'll still likely be $299 for the console.
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Sony is pretty much doing the same thing. Releasing the PS4 Neo & PSVR this year and then most likely a more powerful PS4 Slim next year. How will this fly with consumers? If Microsoft does offer an upgrade trade-in for the original XBox One, then that will make a big difference for gamers interested in the Scorpio. Microsoft will have to eat some of the cost on the Scorpio though. We know it will probably cost them $500-$650 to make and if they want to sell it for $500 or less, they will definitely lose money for the first year.
Drakefan keep drinking that Sony Koolaid..
Ignorance must be bliss for you...
You are wrong , doa for you as you were never going to buy one ..... If its the more powerfull machine it will sell .... Why? It's the more powerful machine ...... And from what I read on this site a lot of others here will buy one also .... Glad your not.
He seriously needs to worry more about his game and stop talking shit about the rest of the industry. I've been playing the Lawbreakers alpha for a couple days and it suuuucks. Yeah it's just an Alpha but it feels like the core gameplay is just bad. Trying to meld a hero shooter like Overwatch with fast paced arena multiplayer doesn't feel good at all
he wasn't 'talking shit' about anything...
Gaming communities have gotten so touchy about their precious toys it's reaching a breaking point, i think...
Consoles are expected to last like a decade...that is dumb...it's been dumb for over a decade...and continues to be dumb. All he was saying was that MS w/ scorpio is moving towards a smartphone like system in terms of it being a boat for a service...not a closed product that becomes obsolete way sooner than a buyer would prefer...
Would anyone ever upgrade a smartphone every 2 or so years if the new phone used a completely different closed OS...completely different apps...and completely different services?...no...that is the context of this...he's not saying MS is just trying to sell you stuff more often...
The service is windows 10's game store...The idea is that you'll buy scorpio for an evolving software suite that will grow and flourish...the device may get tired and old, but there will be a newer one available sooner rather than later that can still use all the games (apps) you bought before...you're stuff will all be in familiar places...the idea of 'starting over' will no longer be relevant...etc.
that's not 'talking shit'...he's just stating a very obvious description of what MS CONFIRMED to be doing last month... And the fact that MS fanatics are so pushy about backwards compatability with the Xbox One SHOWS that MS is on the right track...imagine a platform service where when you bought a game (again...an app)...and you just...had it...and it worked on all the newer platform devices you bought later on...? crazy right? You could say that would almost be like...a smartphone...We're able to use apps we purchased in 2009 on phones multiple generations newer...no selected BC, no partial emulation, no BS at all...you buy something, you have it, and it'll grow with the overall suite you've invested in...THAT is the better way, and exactly what this tired console model needs...
Even vacum cleaners gets updated and better faster then a console. So this is a good thing Microsoft and Sony are doing. Consoles cant be like they were in the 80's with long locked hardware profiles. It worked then. Not so much today.
I agree LarZen. Who says we have to be locked to the old ways of thinking. Onward and upwards, always innovating.
Your spot on. Technology is different now. Also having a console upgrade every 3 years is not to bad as long as they continue to be forward and backwards compatible. If you think about it ms could even offer a base model of a console with a small hdd or no hdd in them to as you could move for external hdd from one console to another and all your games on it.
As long as the xbox one gets support for at least 5 years with all games I see this working. Its also a way to push us towards cloud gaming to as the next step.
The Scorpio launches 4 years after Xbox One and is essentially the birth of a new gen.I believe the Scorpio 2 probably comes out 2021.
The NEO is a weak mid gen upgrade releasing this year (yes book it) only 3 years after PS4 launched. PS5 likely comes 2020. So if you buy ALL Sony consoles over a span of 7 years you would have bought 3 devices.
Sony seems to be adopting the Iphone/Iphone S model.
Microsoft just looks to be going with a 4 year model.
I don't see it.
Hmmm, let's see. Xbox one, xbox one s, Xbox scorpio. What were you saying about 3 consoles in a 7 year span? That looks like 3 consoles from Microsoft in a 5 year span. And don't hit me with "s model is just a slim." It has 4k upscaling, 4k Blu-ray player, hdr, and does 4k streaming, it's not "just a slim. "
You're deliberately being disigneous. Slim is just a slim with 4k Blu Ray, HDR support, AND a 4k scaler. The Xbox chipset stil l1.31 TF. Scorpio is a next gen console.
How is the Neo "weak" mid gen upgrade? Doesn't it have a better gpu and better cpu speed. Better for VR?
@343
Why are you comparing a mid gen upgrade with next gen?
Thats like saying the NES is weak compared to the ps4.... doesnt help your argument one bit
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Actually you get a better perspective if you move out to the estimated arrival of PS5.5 which should be here around 2022. So four consoles in 10 years.
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Hahahaha! Another pathetic excuse. Let's go to year 2023, shall we? Well, Scorpio 2 holiday 2023 release. That's a 4 Xbox consoles.
Microsoft isn't doing mid gen upgrades. EACH hardware unit that is not a revision is a full upgrade.
Sony is doing mid gen upgrades so it stands to reason you'd be buying more devices if you bought a PS4, NEO, then a PS5.
Math doesn't seem to be your strong suit.
Xbox One 2013
Xbox Scorpio 2017
Xbox Scorpio 2 2021
PS4 2013
Ps4 Neo 2016
PS5 2019
Ps5 Neo 2022
Ps6 2025
I have to go through thro
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Xbox One 2013
Xbox Scorpio 2017
Xbox Scorpio 2 2021
PS4 2013
Ps4 Neo 2016
PS5 2019
Ps5 Neo 2022
Ps6 2025
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Now you added a PS6. Looks like math is not your strong suit. You deliberately left 2 Xbox consoles and put one PS console, dumbass, Xbone fan trying to spin things ( AS USUAL ) Let's see :
Xbox One 2013
Xbox Scorpio 2017
Next Xbox 2020/21
Xbox Scorpio 2 2023
PS4 2013
Ps4 Neo 2016
PS5 2019
Ps5 Neo 2022
So, i see 4 Xbox consoles and 4 PS consoles in 10 year lifespan. Go back to school.
Why are you inserting "Next Xbox"? MS doesn't do mid gen upgrades.
It's...
Xbox One > Scorpio (Xbox 2) > Xbox Three or Scorpio 2.
Try harder.
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Xbox One > Scorpio (Xbox 2) > Xbox Three or Scorpio 2.
Try harder.
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There you go. You counted 4 Xbox consoles. Well done. Next Xbox or Xbox Three, same shit.
You obviously can't read.
Xbox One 2013> Xbox Two (Scorpio) 2017> Xbox Three (Scorpio2/AgentSmith??????) 2021 > Xbox Four (????) 2025 = 4 xboxes over 12 years
PS4 2013> PS4 Neo 2016 > PS5 2019> PS5 Neo 2022 > PS6 2025 = 5 PSs over 12 years
at 343
More like
Xbox one 2013 --- Xbox One S 2016 --- Xbox Scorpio 2017 = 3 consoles in 4 years....
Playstation 4 2013 --- Neo 2016 = 2 consoles in 3 years....
talking facts alone. if you buy all MS consoles over the span of 4 years (2013-2017) that's 3 consoles. and dont try to word that as me looking dumb, you walked into that with this simple comment you made
"So if you buy ALL Sony consoles over a span of 7 years you would have bought 3 devices."
At the end of the day, in the 3 years of this generation, Sony only has one console on the market and MS has 2. and by next year, it will be 2 consoles for Sony, and 3 for MS
GamesRadar - "At its E3 2016 press conference on Monday, Microsoft announced an Xbox One upgrade: Project Scorpio. It’ll be more powerful, have loads of teraflops and that, and be capable of 4K resolution. But it’s confusing. Is it a real, next-gen Xbox? At the press conference, Microsoft’s Spencer said that it would be the most powerful console ever made, which certainly implied that everyone should prep to upgrade. But then later he said some other things that didn’t imply that. And then some more that sort of did."
Judging by this article, Ms learned NOTHING about the original X1 reveal. Seriously, these developers didnt even know about the damn thing, not even RARE! A freaking first party developer. They just announced it so they could brag about the most POWAH ever in a console, typical Ms all smoke and mirrors.
It hilarious Rare didn't even know about it. They talked about what developers wanted, while keeping their 1st party Studios in the dark.
Yeah, according to this article some developers already have PS4 Neo developers kit on their desk, while Ms announced this thing without telling anyone of its existence lol. Tell me if this doesn't show how much Ms is in panic mode, looks like they had the idea for Scorpio just a couple of months ago.
I shouldn't even respond to this, but I've just been talking about Scorpio. Not every Xbox thread.
I usually try to point out information others won't.
Also, it's insane Rare has no clue at all about anything about it, being first party when they're putting up developer reels at E3 about it.
And that would be no different to not all devs knowing about the neo yet for some reason you just fixate on Rare
I think MS was quoted saying that they were "listening and reading" about what developers and the community wanted. that's probably why it was a secret... unless developers were informed to be silent and then react supersized for E3. either way the information was way under the public radar. quietest kept secret.
"What is Xbox Project Scorpio, exactly? Er, it seems even game developers don’t know
" It’ll be more powerful, have loads of teraflops and that, and be capable of 4K resolution. But it’s confusing. Is it a real, next-gen Xbox? At the press conference, Microsoft’s Spencer said that it would be the most powerful console ever made, which certainly implied that everyone should prep to upgrade. But then later he said some other things that didn’t imply that. And then some more that sort of did."
well first off, the reveal trailer of XB1 Scorpio mention playing XB1 games in 4k. so it's an XB1 console primarily with muscles necessary to run in 4k. second, they also mentioned VR in the reveal trailer as well which require lots of horse power as well. and lastly, they talk about if devs want to make games exclusive to Scorpio they can take full advantage of the hardware, they most likely mean for VR only games because they need all of the power and XB1 isn't that capable of doing VR. so naturally these games would be exclusive to Scorpio.
so simply put XB1 Scorpio is a more capable XB1 console. it runs the same OS and games but now it has more features for things like 4k and VR gaming.
- my two cents.
Judging by this article, the writer wanted something negative to write.
It was just announced and is 1.5 years away. It's basically a public announcement to let people know way in advance so they can decide to wait or not. Devs should basically be under NDA and most might not have a kit yet as it is 1.5y from now.
They start sending it out now and every game that runs on the One/S can be made better easily in that time as we don't need a full console launch yet but new hardware isn't a bad thing. The Xbox in particular does run worse (lower resolution on some games--especially Dice's) so they're going a bit bigger this time to future proof it that much more.
As I play on everything I can, I don't mind a better experience doing so but I'm not day one sold yet (give it till next e3).
PS is doing it as well and I don't see everyone running around "but what is it!". As of now we know basically just as much about both--a few specs and that they exist.
If the Neo is how specs are assumed to be, the One technically will be the strongest console too so no smoke and mirrors there.
Anyways, I don't think either are getting exclusives until, maybe, years later towards a next hard launch of next gen consoles (multiplatform "exclusive" with next real generation leap or the equivalent) so Devs don't need as much time with it when it's 1.5 years out. Architecture is the same just hardware is different so get it running on a One/Slim and then up everything you can for Scorpio.
Hit the nail on the head. MS was perfectly clear on what the fuck Scorpio is. If you watched the reveal its pretty self explanatory.
But.. What about NEO? Sony confirmed it exists and that's it. We should be writing about what that console is for? Is it for better VR because according to everyone else and Sony the current ps4 does VR quite dandy so why do we need a NEO? Is it for 4K gaming? If yes then what's the difference between NEO and Scorpio?
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PlayStation is coming out with Neo, but thats ok and not confusing at all...... if Sony had announced the PS4K at their conference, everyone would be talking about how Sony knocked it out of the park. You people are fools!
Useless article..
So they asked devs, they talked about it and never said they are in the dark.. but didn't give up more info then Phil did.. so they must not know anything?
Idiotic. Let's not even get into why little (if that) known devs would even be included in this info to begin with
Actual quote:
“I was obviously in the briefing on Monday, [but] I literally had to run and leave as soon as our section finished because I had an interview 20 minutes later, so I didn’t even get to see the Scorpio part of the presentation, so I’m a little in the dark on the technical details. We're not really thinking or talking about Scorpio for us now. We’re focused on our next goal which is getting [Sea of Thieves] into a closed beta.”
Does not mean he did not know at all.
@manic
Thing is, MS said that they made the thing after delibrating with developers. But their own developers say they dont know about it because they missed the presentation. Something is missing in translation here.
It's just an easy way to dodge the question.. the answer they would all give is "no comment" if pressed for details.. it's not their product to comment on and it's easy to spill the beans when trying to dodge around certain questions.. best to just play dumb lol
None of them were surprised, they all know about it. But even IF they knew something more then Phil told us (they may not depending on if they are starting work on it), they wouldn't say anything
There isn't even really anything to know. It is common sense, if you have even a basic understanding of how computer technology functions. It is a raw video processing power upgrade. there is no physically possible way with currently existing technology, that MS could limit it to be used for just a resolution increase. It can be used any way developers choose to use it. Any types of enhancements that can be made with the XB1 vs the 360 or between a GTX 1080 and 750ti, etc, can be made between Scorpio and the XB1.
-Resolution increases
-Graphical enhancements
-Physics enhancement
-Frame rate enhancements
-Lighting enhancements
Take your pick.
Assuming they upgraded the CPU also, then things like AI and npc/enemy density, etc, can also be improved.
Honestly media please do your home work
Developers don't know what the consol looks like and Dev kits have not been giving yet as specs are still being consider. They showed a video of people talking about the future of gaming and how they see it and what they want to achieve. At no point did they say here is the console it does this and this ... The key word that was used a lot is we , we went to developers and ask what a true 4K gaming power Would need , we wanted to work with VR users.
So now that's out of the way let's get it simple
Xbox = brand
Xbox live = the system that allows allow devices under the Xbox brand to connect and talk to one another, allowing users to share and creat content across a wider scale and more ways to play.
Xbox devices that are under Xbox live = Xbox one , Xbox one s , Xbox Scorpio , Windows 10 ( I am using Windows 10 and not PC as PC is not a Windows platform and any PC can run any system you want ).
All these devices connect under one roof , and share content etc , all are aimed at Diffrent users with Diffrent tastes , and allow get the Xbox exclusives ( brand exclusives if you will ) halo , gears etc etc
Just like apple - 4 Diffrent types of laptops , 4 Diffrent types of desktops , but all under one brand and operating system that connects all devices. And all the macs and desktops are aimed at Diffrent users
Developers have always stressed that they need more power and always want more choice to develop for , so ms is doing that ..: and developers do know it's in the works as the video showed developers talking about what they told ms , fallout 4 in VR was mentioned , Ubisoft even said they are working with ms going forward and helping them in the gaming system to achieve more games and better graphics and audience
It's not hard to understand = Scorpio is not the console , is a code name for a project that they want to achieve and what I said above is what ms are wanting to achieve its not hard to understand and people are acting like they are forcing you to join PC or leaving the Xbox one.
Watch e3 again , watch what they say and watch what they say after it ... The Xbox Scorpio is a project for the future and by asking developers now about things they need to do this , they can achieve it and help developers get prepared for the bigger future of games and ways to play.
Then don't , it's not a rant it's what the truth is. Short version for you then since you are a being nice about lol
Xbox never gave developers kits to make games for it , project scorpion is a vision not a console, the vision is to achieve true 4K gaming , VR , 3D and not leave anyone behind who does not want to update ... They are asking developers how to do this without forcing people to update
That's why developers don't know what it is , no specs have been finalised it's simply an idea at this moment
hey i may have had a big paragraph but the amount of people that can't see the simple idea is baffling me lol
and media are claiming all sorts, when its 18 months away and that only have said what they need to do to achieve 4k
i have read so many articles saying its the end of xbox, pc gaming is on trouble, sony have won for years to come
its like shut up, and incase no one notices, playstation are bringing out neo ... a high end console, exact same as ms
I'm shocked by how stupid these articles are regarding Xbox One S and Scorpio.
The concepts are so simple.
I totally agree. Are games journalist being deliberately stupid to bait and get clicks, or are they in actual fact really dumb ?
Deliberately.
They know full well how many people don't watch the show, then get all their "facts" from others that also didn't watch it.
It's so easy to play up the blatantly obvious lack of knowledge. Where people go from experts in one post to clueless about basic concepts in the next..
It's annoying to be sure.. but I get it, business to run
I think the phrase «the most powerful console ever made» is just PR. The next console is always the most powerfull.
I think the power aproach after the tons of news of the Cloud power isnt that smart. What gamers want to see are new and good games, with amazing stories. The problem is that those games take long time to make and cant be done everysingle year.
The best aproach from Microsoft should be games, and games, and games and more games. To make gamers want to buy the machine because of the quality and amount of games only available on the console.
Trying to hype something just because of the number of teraflops just work with the hardcore gamer and not with the millions of casual gamers that dont know or dont care about that.
I seem to remember another company bragging about building "the most powerful gaming device ever conceived". Not a lot of complaints about it just being PR then.
http://www.techradar.com/us...
I agree they should go games, games and games, but they do have to get the hype up for Scorpio so developers jump on board and make games that take advantage of it.
For someone who said there wont be a sequel to Bulletstorm, he talks about Bulletstorm a lot :/
Suppose one can hope through the power of speech.
Every time I see that picture of Cliffy I imagine him blasting the gun in the air shouting "COME AT ME LOCUST!"
Unreal Tournament is dead
CliffyB overrated
^ I almost agree...
He needs to quit with all the talking & playing with his toys cuz he's falling behind & I'm not sure he know's it. Bulletstorm was cool if I was 14yrs old forever & never played another FPS with sci/fi abilities. If you're 15 or older BS was just that, BS!!!
Cliffy talks alot, but he's never really saying anything....