Violence in video games is a bit of a hot potato and has been for some time, and following E3 back in June, Epic Mickey 2's Creative Director Warren Spector supposedly gave his two cents on the games of the show, reportedly saying "the ultraviolence must end". Except according to Spector, he never actually said that at all.
“To be clear, I didn't say and I've never said and I don't believe that the violence must end. I could care less about violent video games," Spector told X360A during Gamescom. "I've made them, I don't believe in the media effects argument. I don't believe that violent video games cause anything in anyone really."
OtherSide Entertainment has bounced back from the cancellation of System Shock 3 and Warren Spector is working on a new game.
The Game Developers Conference kicked off today as a week of virtual talks. In a live chat alongside a rebroadcast of his 2017 GDC talk, Deus Ex designer Warren Spector talked about why he wouldn’t make the game today.
Well, Warren worked on the immersive sim, System Shock 1 whose spiritual successor was/is Deus Ex.
You'll be happy to know, he's currently working on System Shock 3 at OtherSide Entertainment.
Also, a Remake of System Shock 1 is releasing in few months.
@victorMaje
Also, CP2077 was initially targeting the dark Deus Ex style aesthetics/look. A bit darker. Check the first teaser.
But changed later to what it is today.
He just said he couldn’t make a game like that today. Of course it’s kotaku promoting the game that wouldn’t be made and the coward that wouldn’t make it lol. What a weird ass publication. And he’s a weird dude, legend or not. I’m not interested in the game he’s not going to make like conspiracies didn’t exist in 1987 or whenever he was relevant.
"The guy who made Deus Ex and produced System Shock can't make a good video-game." - sourOG
I salute you for your stunning, brave response
Says the white knight securing his spot in Lucas’ friend zone. Your begging isn’t getting him any closer to your buttcheeks.
Immersive sims are my jam. It’s kind of sad to see one of the founders of the genre be such a spineless coward.
Imagine being dumb enough to call someone who made 2 of the greatest games ever in System Shock and Deus Ex a hack lmfao. I'm sure you know more about making a game than he does.
Yeah 30 years ago. The article is saying he wouldn’t make that game today you idiot lol. Because he’s a hack and a coward.
You and kotaku can champion his self-censorship of you want but don’t act like I’m the dumb one lol. He’s no different than the moron trying to ban GTA because it “supports stealing cars”. That’s how dumb y’all are. Is your dimbulb brain too fragile for such complex conspiracies written 30 years ago? My condolences.
Wow you're a LOT dumber than I thought 😂. Because he doesn't make another Deus Ex it's self-censorship? Last I checked he is allowed to make whatever he wants. Oh my bad, he is only allowed to make what you tell him to. How about you go and make the next Deus Ex since you apparently have all these "complex conspiracies" in your head, but we both know you don't have the brain capacity for that 😂.
By the way if you actually READ the article you would've seen he said this:
“I’d actually love to make a new Deus Ex game but the property is now the property of Square Enix so that ain’t gonna happen,” he wrote. He did however write, “Spiritual successors to Deus Ex are basically all I’m interested in making.”
But he doesn't want to make another one? Like I said you're a LOT dumber than I thought.
I didn’t say he couldn’t make what he wants. He said what he didn’t want to make lol. Moron. How about I don’t make a game and that would give kotaku something to write about.
Ohhhh a spiritual successor? You mean a responsible, conspiracy free one just in case you idiots play and then decide storm the capitol with Viking helmets? Sounds amazing. If my brain was as smooth as yours I’d be hyped too.
Clearly yours is a lot smoother because you clearly can't come up with a "complex conspiracy" game to write about and you can only speculate what game he will make but continue your fake Illuminati persona you seem to think you have.😂
"You mean a responsible, conspiracy free one just in case you idiots play and then decide storm the capitol with Viking helmets? Sounds amazing. If my brain was as smooth as yours I’d be hyped too."
Oh so you know exactly what his next Deus Ex spiritual successor game is? Tell me what is it called and what is the story about with your fake Illuminati ass 😂
Clearly not since the point has gone over your head 3 posts in a row lol. I said in other words, you are too woke to handle good games. That’s what he said, not me.. You are too mentally fragile to handle his “complex video game conspiracies” written 30 years ago and doesn’t want to support that anymore. I didn’t say his games sucked, I didn’t say I wanted to make a game or replace his game, I didn’t say I know what he’s making, I don’t have an “Illuminati persona” or whatever dull shit your brain is trying to fart. He said he wouldn’t make that game today due to the political climate... a game he’s already made... because he’s a coward who blames you. Do you understand? Do I need to walk you through this? I got you bro. We’ll get through this someday.
I have no idea what the spiritual successor is and I couldn’t care less after this article lol. If I had to take a guess I’d say boring. An immersive sim void any mystery whatsoever because people like you are too dumb to know the difference lol. I’m a “fake Illuminati ass” because I’m laughing at the people in this article crying about the real world influence of video game stories? That’s funny somewhere I guess. Your emojis liked it at least.
"Clearly not since the point has gone over your head 3 posts in a row lol. I said in other words, you are too woke to handle good games. That’s what he said, not me.. You are too mentally fragile to handle his “complex video game conspiracies” written 30 years ago and doesn’t want to support that anymore. I didn’t say his games sucked, I didn’t say I wanted to make a game or replace his game, I didn’t say I know what he’s making, I don’t have an “Illuminati persona” or whatever dull shit your brain is trying to fart."
Except that's not what he said in any way but you wanna seem to make it that if he doesn't make a game about "complex conspiracies" he can't make a good game. You didn't have to say his games sucked. You called him a hack which IMPLIED it. I don't think you're keeping up with this point here.
"He said he wouldn’t make that game today due to the political climate... a game he’s already made... because he’s a coward who blames you. Do you understand? Do I need to walk you through this? I got you bro. We’ll get through this someday.""
Did you also miss the part where he said he would LOVE to make another Deus Ex, you know that series that talks about conspiracies, BUT it's owned by Square Enix? He walked back his previous statement in the SAME article. I said this to you in a previous comment. I know reading is hard for you.
"I have no idea what the spiritual successor is and I couldn’t care less after this article lol. If I had to take a guess I’d say boring. An immersive sim void any mystery whatsoever because people like you are too dumb to know the difference lol. I’m a “fake Illuminati ass” because I’m laughing at the people in this article crying about the real world influence of video game stories? That’s funny somewhere I guess. Your emojis liked it at least."
So you're making judgments on a nonexistent game based on a statement he walked back? Just because he SAID he wouldn't do it anymore doesn't mean it's not possible he won't do it again clearly by the fact he said he would LOVE to make another Deus Ex, a series that LITERALLY delves in conspiracies. You are taking ONE of his statements, ignoring his others and are running with it lmfao. You may find this hard to believe but developers don't always stick by what they say.
"I’m a “fake Illuminati ass” because I’m laughing at the people in this article crying about the real world influence of video game stories? That’s funny somewhere I guess. Your emojis liked it at least.""
Except no one was crying "we hate conspiracies, real world influence or whatever you wanna call it", but you seem to want to make it that way for a reason. Seems like my emojis touched a nerve with you. 😂
That’s exactly what he said lol. It’s literally the second paragraph of the article. I never said he couldn’t make a good game. He said he wouldn’t make a game about conspiracies today, including a game he already made. He wouldn’t have released that in 2021. He thinks it’s scary and I called him a hack because he’s a coward for not standing up for his own work. I don’t doubt his capabilities as a developer. Your implications are just assumptions.
Yeah I know that series that talks about conspiracies and this article that writes about how he wouldn’t do a game about conspiracies today because of real world
Implications. I love reading.
You brought up his next game and told me to make it lol. I couldn’t give a shit less what his next game is. That has nothing to do with the point I was making.
That’s some weird shit you went off on lol.
Yeah that’s exactly what this article is lol. People crying about real world implications from scary video game stories. Nah it doesn’t bother me, I was just pointing out at least someone is laughing at your joke lol. Ol fake Illuminati ass! *canned laughter*. You got your own laugh track my dude, that’s pretty sweet.
Oh you! 😂
"That’s exactly what he said lol. It’s literally the second paragraph of the article. I never said he couldn’t make a good game. He said he wouldn’t make a game about conspiracies today, including a game he already made. He wouldn’t have released that in 2021. He thinks it’s scary and I called him a hack because he’s a coward for not standing up for his own work. I don’t doubt his capabilities as a developer. Your implications are just assumptions."
Except that's what you DID by calling him a hack and you were called out for it? Now you're changing the definition because you were exposed for it.
"Yeah I know that series that talks about conspiracies and this article that writes about how he wouldn’t do a game about conspiracies today because of real world
Implications. I love reading."
Except he said he WOULD make another Deus Ex if he could and that series is ALL about conspiracies. You really think he wouldn't make another Deus Ex without bringing up "complex conspiracies" because he said it in an article? That is the series literal constant. It's clear you can't see the contradiction here.
"You brought up his next game and told me to make it lol. I couldn’t give a shit less what his next game is. That has nothing to do with the point I was making.
That’s some weird shit you went off on lol."
Well seeing that you're capable of understanding these "complex conspiracies" you should be more than capable of making that game since Warren Spector is a hack and implied he couldn't make a good video game if it's not about a "complex conspiracy".
"Yeah that’s exactly what this article is lol. People crying about real world implications from scary video game stories. Nah it doesn’t bother me, I was just pointing out at least someone is laughing at your joke lol. Ol fake Illuminati ass! *canned laughter*. You got your own laugh track my dude, that’s pretty sweet."
Lol one person says he doesn't want to make it means we are all crying about conspiracy theories? That's funny because last I checked Warren Spector didn't say "people don't like conspiracy theories". He said "conspiracy theories have become part of the real world." So it's clear you don't read. Yup I'm continuing to laugh at your terrible statements. Glad you're acknowledging that.
Lmao a person that isn’t capable of making good games is your description of a hack, not the definition. A person that created a good game 30 years ago and wouldn’t release that game today due to real world implications is a washed out hack, the term is fine. If it doesn’t meet your description of a hack then that’s your problem. It wasn’t implied on my end, that’s just an assumption on your end.
Yes I can see the contradiction of him wanting to make conspiracy game and him thinking that conspiracy games are dangerous in today’s age. That’s the whole point of my post lol. His spiritual successor sounds dull already just by his mindset.
You: “he didn’t say anything close to that”
Me: yes he literally did
You: “well yeah but you actually believe him when he says something? lol”
Nice argument weirdo lol. Apparently I have more respect for him than you do by believing him lol. I never said I could do better. He said he wouldn’t do it anymore lol. That’s why he’s a hack. It’s not that he’s not capable, he’s not willing because he’s a coward.
I didn’t say you all were crying. I literally said the people in the article are crying. Are you in the article? No? Then I wasn’t talking about you. Another wrong assumption on your part and it’s a common theme here. I never said “people dislike conspiracies”, not once did I say or even imply that lol. YES FINALLY, you got it! He said he wouldn’t do a conspiracy game like deus ex today because of real world implications. It’s too real and scary. I have told you this 3 times but it finally stuck. We’ll end this conversation on that good note. Good job I’m proud of you.
"Lmao a person that isn’t capable of making good games is your description of a hack, not the definition. A person that created a good game 30 years ago and wouldn’t release that game today due to real world implications is a washed out hack, the term is fine. If it doesn’t meet your description of a hack then that’s your problem. It wasn’t implied on my end, that’s just an assumption on your end."
Lol no that is THE definition and you're throwing around a word without knowing what it means but want to apply your own definition. You keep calling it an assumption just because of your idiotic use of the word.
"Yes I can see the contradiction of him wanting to make conspiracy game and him thinking that conspiracy games are dangerous in today’s age. That’s the whole point of my post lol. His spiritual successor sounds dull already just by his mindset."
Lmfao no it's not. You're saying he WON'T make it because WE don't like conspiracies when that's not what he said. He said if given the chance he WOULD make another Deus Ex which is filled with conspiracies. You keep saying his spiritual successor is going to be dull when you don't even know what it's going to be about. But because he doesn't make one about conspiracies he's a hack. Wow I didn't you had to be original by making a game about conspiracies. And I'm the one making assumptions lol.
"You: “he didn’t say anything close to that”
Me: yes he literally did
You: “well yeah but you actually believe him when he says something? lol”
Nice argument weirdo lol. Apparently I have more respect for him than you do by believing him lol. I never said I could do better. He said he wouldn’t do it anymore lol. That’s why he’s a hack. It’s not that he’s not capable, he’s not willing because he’s a coward."
By the fact that he contradicted himself means there's no reason to fully believe him. There goes that word hack again. You keep throwing that word around without even knowing what it means. He doesn't HAVE to make one about conspiracies to not be a hack. This makes no sense.
"I didn’t say you all were crying. I literally said the people in the article are crying. Are you in the article? No? Then I wasn’t talking about you. Another wrong assumption on your part and it’s a common theme here. I never said “people dislike conspiracies”, not once did I say or even imply that lol. YES FINALLY, you got it!
Wow one person is people now? My bad I should've known. My wrong "assumption". Lmfao you've been saying "people dislike conspiracies" literally with different wording and that I'm championing "self-censorship" in one of your earlier comments but of course you'll spin that too.
"He said he wouldn’t do a conspiracy game like deus ex today because of real world implications. It’s too real and scary. I have told you this 3 times but it finally stuck. We’ll end this conversation on that good note. Good job I’m proud of you.""
Wow so you're STILL missing the contradiction that he said he WOULD make another Deus Ex if given the chance? If he COULD make another Deus Ex he wouldn't have to make a Deus Ex SPIRITUAL SUCCESSOR. I don't know how you keep missing after I told you this 3 times but it's clear it's NOT sticking. Since you're clearly not understanding this easy point, yeah we'll end it here.
Have a good day. 😂
Rockstar said something similar.
I wish creators would get a backbone and accept that every piece of their art will be reflective of the society during the time of creation.
We selected a few words of wisdom that the creator of System Shock and Deus Ex has to share, ranging from his thoughts on game development to collaboration with Disney
Last I check "The Last of Us" was at E3 and I'd say that's one of the most mature games I've seen so far and I'm sure it trumps Epic Mickey 2.
I sense someone is a little jealous that his game is being over shadowed by all the other big "violent" games
What do you do when your jealous of someone...you name call them or your nasty about them.
Just stfu Spector.
Man the first "epic" Mickey was a disaster. What was on the cover and what was shown as conceptual art got lost in translation in the final product. But that's not why the game blew, the camera was a mess and the game was generally not fun. Even my 5 year old lost interest after a few minutes and he loves ALL things gaming.
That being said, part two to Epic Mickey looks to be headed down the same path. I haven't heard or read a single quote from anyone other than Spector about this game.
No one.
So either no one has played it, or no one cares enough to write about or worse, it just sucks.
I'll wait and see what reviews come down the pike. I normally don't wait for those, but in this case I'll make and exception since I got burnt the first time.
But EPIC, the game is not.
Either way... It is truly sad to see a truly "Epic" Iconic character come under so much fire. I agree the first had its issues and there was a loss of interest in my little ones also, but I sure hope the second addresses those issues and puts Mickey in a better light. The potential is really good for this concept.