Sony’s PlayStation 4 to support 4K resolution

Yahoo sources believe Sony will include 4k resolution playback in their next-generation PlayStation console

[Silver-Hawk]

I knew it. This is Sony and Sony's devices normally pushes the boundaries of technology available of its time.

I hear a lot of fanboy talking about how there won't be a big upgrade in tech advancement made on next gen consoles but It's just the fear of supporting an inferior device that'll be lacking on the technological front. While Wii u is trying to push 1080p like this gens hd consoles, the ps4 will be way ahead in technology and be able to do 4k resolution once again making the Nintendo console hardware outdated.

There are so many advancements that can be made in gaming with better technology where not only graphics will improve. We definitely need better graphics to decipher things easier and for more immersion in games. We need smarter unpredictable ai, better physics, sound and all sorts. I can't wait for the ps4. I know some unfortunate people will start hating on 4k and probably say they just bought a HDTV recently but people were hating hdtv a few years ago also.

[ChunkyLover53]

1.You are getting awfully excited for an unconfirmed rumor.

2.If this is true, it means the launch price of the PS4 will be significantly higher, and nobody will really be gaining anything from buying a console with 4K support right now.

3.Not sure if Sony will gamble on something like they did with 3-D, they should try and keep the PS4 cost friendly as possible so they can compete next generation.

The early 4K capable TV's are going to be really expensive for years to come, I don't think adding this (if true) is going to help Sony push more televisions.

[bintarok]

If it's true, 4K shall be great for imax theatre quality movies, gaming may be possible too. Personally i'd rather playing lag-free 60FPS 1080P ray-tracing games on the ps4.

[blumatt]

It will support those new 4k blu ray discs with much higher capacity. In guessing the PS4 will have a 100gb+ 4k blu ray drive. Most games will be 1080p but some will be 4k.

Sony always uses its consoles to push the newest media formats. It kinda sucks cause I just bought me a 1080p Samsung 50" plasma. But I'll get me a 4k tv in a few years maybe.

[NastyLeftHook0]

I don't want a cost friendly product, i want a sony product, a playstation product, the best product.

[Azmatik]

why all the hate its true games can ALWAYS progress and look better stop being a nooby thinking the next gen wont be a huge jump for sony because it will. have you forgot sony knows what theyre doing you act as if they will be putting PC parts in theyre next console and charging ALOT of $ personally 600 when ps3 launched isnt alot of money. seriously when did sony ever start puting PC parts and architecture in theyre systems how about think before you type/speak. I agree tentonsoftube i dont care about price i want a high quality sony product do you think my Sony Muteki 7.4 HTIB isnt worth 1200 and is one of THE best HTIB's ull ever find . i just dont understand we all should be happy we actually have a company pushing our tech ever watch a blu-ray? its fenomenal and people hate lol

[blumatt]

Why all the disagrees?? It's all just speculation but Sony always uses the newest disc format so 4K is very much possible.

They'll likely use physical and digital delivery meaning you'll be able to buy it on disc or through the PS Store.

[camel_toad]

@tentonsoftube - I'm with you on this. When I buy a new console I'm not looking for a sub-par experience.

Why all of the disagrees @tentonsoftube? If you want a cheap and affordable gaming experience you can stick to the casual phone games, which can admittedly be very fun.

[morganfell]

I have to agree with tentonsoftube. Hell I don't have to agree, I want to agree. But I have to because it's common sense. From the first moment I fired up my 60GB launch PS3 it felt like the best technology....because it is. Period.

As for the PS4 I feel the same as I did about the PS3. I do not care about the price and I do not want them to cut the price if it means sacrificing capabilities or quality. Don't have the money? Go buy a cheaper machine.

Of course if you took a launch 360, which I had, and added a larger HDD, next gen disc drive, WiFi, and 4 years of Live the price was far beyond the launch 60GB PS3.

And just yesterday I saw this:

http://www.engadget.com/201...

Yeah it's pricey but it's 84inches. And look how fast HDTV and 3D prices dropped. They'll go down in price...fast.

EDIT: Oh look, my first disagree. I eat disagrees for breakfast. They're confirmation I am on the right track, dancing on that nerve of truth. Someone is scared of Sony...again. They should be.

[xAlmostPro]

Price wouldn't be that steep. Like you said it's a rumor. But if it's true it could mean 4k res images, maybe movies. Nobody says it has to be games.

Current PC gpu's could easily handle this resolution in picture/video.

Also like £D, it could be a feature they unlock further down the line, when higher res becomes standard, even if only for movies.

[Brosy]

I say bs to the 4k rumor. You barely have a few games tha can do 720p games on PS3. I don't see next gen games doing more than 1080p. And why not? 4k is rarely utilized and overly expensive for a small jump in picture quality. 1080p is affordable now and looks great.

Then you have the financial trouble sony is in. I just don't expect them to go too far in debt this time around. They don't have to pay for blu-ray and Cell R&D this go around, so they should be able to produce a quality product at a more affordable price. But they are billions, not millions, ofreasons to go the more cost effective route. Or they could just bet it all and remain in last place next-gen as well.

@tentonsoftube
Sony has released one console that had a reason to brag about power. And that was the PS3. And it has also proven to be the biggest failure of the 3 consoes sony has produced. You must be young. But your fanatical fanboyism has certainly reached a commendable level lol.

[ozzywazzy]

@tentonstube

Said like a champion. If your looking for a cost friendly device, look elsewhere. I have one console in mind. If you want a true next gen system, I'll be waiting for Sony.

This is pretty standard knowledge.

[dedicatedtogamers]

I don't think this is true, because it would mean another push for ANOTHER wave of brand-new, cutting-edge TVs, and Sony has already done that twice this gen (once back in 2006 to push HDTVs, and another time a few years later to push 3D TVs). And if any of you are willing to look back and consider the business side of things, Sony (and the economy as a whole) was in MUCH better shape six years ago. The economy was better. A $600 PS3 was expensive but people still bought it. Can the market bear up the weight of a $600 PS4 in addition to a new 4kTV? I don't think so.

[shadow2797]

I seriously doubt there will be much, if any, 4K gaming done next gen. However, I'm inclined to believe that Sony will include 4K Blu-ray and display support. It would make business sense for them with their approaching 4K TV and camera lines in the future. They have to think in 5-7 year terms, after all.

Note: I don't think including this will be nearly as expensive as the Blu-ray player in the PS3 initially was.

[DeadlyFire]

4K games will not exist next gen. I am sorry if you think so. Sure playback is possible, but games are not.

Next gen will be pushing 1080 and WiiU is not trying to push 1080. It has 1080 full support. PS3 could do 1080 in a few cases and WiiU easily can have 3 times the power of PS3.

Now 1080 with ray tracing at 30-60 fps might be possible with something like OpenRL from Caustic.

[soxfan2005]

It's too bad you missed out on the PS2 then. After all, you seem to want only the most cutting edge technology. The original Xbox was more powerful, and more technologically advanced than the PS2. The number of 720p and 1080i games on the Xbox was many times greater than on the PS2. This is a particularly valid comparison considering this article is about screen resolution too.

Just as 4K is only now becoming available, 720p and 1080i were in their infancy in the early 2000's. MS took the lead last generation in developing a console that supported the most HD games. Therefore, unless you are a hypocrite, you clearly would have chosen Xbox over PS2.

If anybody disagrees with me, I'll just do what morganfell does and use the disagrees as a badge of honor, and as proof that my statement is the truth.

[juggulator]

Pretty sure it'll be true. The PS3 supported Super Audio when it first came out and the infamous otherOS, both of which are no longer present on the PS3 so if 4K doesn't catch on they'll just remove it.

@soxfan2005 It would be a shame if the first Xbox wasn't more advanced than the PS2 since the PS2 was launched long before the Xbox.

[Diver]

so the assumption is that ps3 owners couldn't have owned a xbox. jus cause they owned a ps2, you know the second time sony brought a new format to gaming, doesn't mean no xbox 1. 4k is sony continuing the format trend.

[NeoBasch]

Well, to be fair. It could be true. The BDA have been trying to keep Blu-Ray alive for when the 4K or Quad HD era hits. They're hoping that by developing higher capacity discs they can stay relevant and have optional support of 2160p.

This ISN'T 4320p (the other half of Ultra High-Definition). This is the lower half: 2160p. It could be possible, but only for movies. I doubt any games will even attempt to run at that standard.

[BattleAxe]

This is why I love Sony.

[Bloodraid]

@Azmatik

You seem to have forgotten about a little thing called "PC Gaming". Pretending that some budget gaming console is going to be multitudes more powerful than even the best PC rigs is ridiculous. And acting as though console hardware is somehow years ahead of PC hardware is outright retarded.

[MAJ0R]

4D confirmed.

*wakes up*

What's that, I must have been dreaming of delusional people hyping things up again.

[Kurt Russell]

I love reading you people argueing over something that doesn't exist. :)

[AAACE5]

He also forgot how much the console and tv will cost.

Last i remember a couple years ago, a prototype 4k tv cost $50,000. And that was just the 32 inch. They said the prices wouldnt be reasonable ($5,000-$10,000) until about 2017.

[Silver-Hawk]

I see the disagreeing fanboys buzzing around already. I wonder why they wouldn't want 4k resolution and are already declaring crap.

Most of these fanboys wouldn't want any advancements made better than a Xbox 360 because they'll be buying a Wii u. This gen barely saw games in 1080p @ 60fps but that doesn't mean next gen shouldn't strive for better. Ipads already are doing better than 1080p and technology is moving at a fast rate.

[Trenta27]

You know you are the fanboy at the moment, right? As Clunkylover says, you are awfully excited all because of a rumor.

[CommonSenseGamer]

Your "strive for better' argument. Where was that when the PS3 came out. Remember, HD gaming only starts with the release of the PS3 Sony proclaimed. Yet here we are today and so few games even break 720p without compromise.

I remember back when Sony was harping on about the emotion engine in the PS2 and what that could do for gaming. Honestly, take a reality pill as people who feast on hype and marketing end up looking foolish.

[miyamoto]

LG launches world’s first 84-inch, 4K 3D TV in Korea

http://blog.gsmarena.com/lg...

Toshiba 55X3 4K 3DTV launches December 10th in Japan, no glasses necessary
http://www.engadget.com/201...

4K TV already being trialed by one UK broadcaster
http://www.engadget.com/201...

Don't you worry about these trolls Steel Heart, they hate progress & are in self denial.

Ultra High Definition Television (or UHDTV, 4K, 2160p, 8K, 4320p) is a digital video format proposed by NHK Science & Technology Research Laboratories and defined by the International Telecommunication Union (ITU).[1][2][3] UHDTV has a resolution of either 3840 × 2160 (8.3 megapixels) or 7680 × 4320 (33.2 megapixels).
8K UHDTV has 16 times the number of pixels of the existing 1080p HDTV and brings 8K UHDTV to roughly the detail level of 15/70mm IMAX.

NHK advocates the 8K UHDTV format as Super Hi-Vision.

Its coming soon and nothing can prepare these anti-progress trolls for it.

They deny the fact that digital imaging are now beyond Full High Definition.

Digital SLR cameras are capable of 46 mega pixels, digital video cameras are now capable of Ultra High Definition. Heh, even streaming videos on You Tube are in UHD! And these trolls say " We don't need 4K!"

Wait until Xbox 720 in 4K & Blu-ray is revealed they will claim M$ did it first.

And they think Sony is behind when it comes to the latest & greatest in entertainment, no way Jose.

Sony's Blue-ray discs are more than capable of storing 4K imaging & video. They came to the battle prepared & armed to the teeth.

Whether its 4K Blu-ray video playback only or with 4K Blu-ray video game graphics, Sony will always be one step ahead of them trolls.

[andibandit]

They arent declaring crap, in fact most would want it, but cmon....4k....i cant even mention a tv, off the top of my head that could support it

[killerhog]

Man i just got me a 50inch SdTv flat screen (with s-video, composite & component etc. capabilities), was planning to upgrade to an HDTv next year, then in 3 years finally get me a 3DTv and now effing sony wants me to get a 4kTv? Eff that imma get me a Nintendo wii next gen.

Lol @ the disagree/s can't take a joke? I honestly hope ya are little kids because adults acting this way is sad.

[bergoo]

Lol, you're on N4g and questioning disagrees. New here?

[WeskerChildReborned]

Dude, this is a rumor and 4K tvs will be expensive as heck.

[kneon]

Yes it's a rumor but it's almost certainly true.

The next TV upgrade wave will be 4k and it only makes sense for Sony to support it. When the PS3 launched, 1080p TVs were also really expensive, now they can be bought for peanuts. It will be the same thing all over again.

[RevXM]

full HD tvs were expensive as heck too, but no one forced you to get one.

Old crt worked fine.
Also I believe 4K WILL BE supported as current GPU's already support it. heck even Intels integrated graphics support 4K so how much cost and effort would go into supporting it?
Pretty much NONE as it will be native tech from this point forward. Next gen GPU's or the next after that will prolly run games buttery smooth in 4K res with all the bells and whistles you may get. I also believe Ps4 will do 8K resoultion but that would be more of a rumor material although Sony is known to push Playstation platform to be the best and complete entertainment platform. Ps3 have gotten so many uppdates, BD live, 3d, 4K res images etc.

I dont think Sony will hold back on the ps4 they want it to be as powerful and capable as they can make it. so when it arrives I guess we are prolly looking at a 450$ system at least!

Remember PS3 had FULL HD and 7.1 surround from the get go when the proper equipment that align with such spec were incredibly costly!
360 didnt have HDMI or Optical audio out, sa cd , BD or HD DVD. Ps3 had it all and Sony have been keeping adding features to it afterwards. BD live, 3d, 4k images etc.

[TheMasterShake]

dude yahoo is full of shit, they have no clue what they are talking about. last time they spoke up about playstation they thought that after the battery of your controller dies once then you have to buy another. id never believe yahoo....... EVER.

[Allsystemgamer]

It will support 4k for MOVIES ONLY.

If the most advanced pcs aren't there yet what makes you think the ps4 will in a year or 2?

[CommonSenseGamer]

You know, how much RAM would be required to actually produce fantastic visuals in.native 4k resolutions?

The reality will probably be that the PS4 will support 4k but the reality will be not without major compromise to visual quality. Just like the PS3 with 720p.

[aquamala]

Just like ps3 can play movies in 1080p, but few games are playable in 1080p

[Pjuice]

pc's can support 4k and higher resolutions already in gaming nvidia 600 series supports up to 5760 x 1080 and ati/amd supports up to 7680x3200 i believe go to amd.com to check. I'am not saying next gen consoles will have anything around 4k i'am just saying pc's do have that tech but it's funny reading people saying they want the best and pc gaming is to expensive it cracks me up at the beginning of every new console cycle how much people drop on t.v's and consoles combined (you could have a sick pc for that money).

http://www.geforce.com/hard... nvidia surround supports 3 monitors up to 5760 x 1080 res and a fourth monitor for web browsing or whatever you want to do

[hesido]

This 4K is just a numbers game, for luring customers. 4K is simply NOT needed one bit for gaming. The only good it would do would be quad-split screen on a 65inch screen.

Would anyone complain if games looked as good as a 1080p movie that was shot at 60fps, I wouldn't.

If I have to choose a path for graphics enhancements, I'd choose better rendering technologies, not a pixel count race, especially anything past 1080p.

[_-EDMIX-_]

This rumor is all but confirmed. Even Sony talked about this last year so it actually probably true.

http://www.engadget.com/201...

this is why i don't really think its all that fake. I mean you can do it to some extent on PS3 so.....

[pixelsword]

Sony said they won't release it until a big jump, and I think 4k is a big jump.

This will sound silly, but it makes sense:

PS4
4K
Killzone 4
Resistance 4
GoW 4

It's coming to a head using the 4 in the advertising, so based upon that, I think it's true.

[Bloodraid]

>This will sound silly, but it makes sense:
>PS4
>4K
>Killzone 4
>Resistance 4
>GoW 4

What part of that was supposed to make sense again?

[pixelsword]

I guess the part that said

"This will sound silly"

and

"It's coming to a head using the 4 in the advertising"

totally lost you.

Just like the 360 used 360 instead of xbox 2 because they didn't want to sound like they were behind the PS3, using numbers in adverts is an old practice.

I guess you n4g "geniuses" also aren't capable of making simple leaps in logic.

[Muffins1223]

next gen last around 7-8 years now so im not surprised that the next xbox and ps4 will support this...this is not any new technology you dumb ass....this is just a god damn screen resolution lol.So funny to see people act like and say "pushes the boundaries of technology"
Though wiiu is once again already looking like its gonna fall behind,i say delay it and upgrade it or release with out trying to get the hardcore gamers cause no way someones gonna get that that's a hardcore gamer with those specs.Again,this isent technology idiots,this is just for screen resolution(4k pixels)

[_-EDMIX-_]

LMFAO! All the disagrees are from Wii U fans.

Remember all the talk about Sony and MS "not making beast systems like this gen" talk? LOL!

[h311rais3r]

Yes it is a screen resolution but I the game is running at 4k that's a different story all together.

Modern high end gpus stress at 2k resolution. Those are $1000 video cards TODAY. If the consoles release within the next year or 2 then they WILL NOT support 4k gaming. No possible way. You have to remember each resolution up requires much more power. Example? A game running in 720 @ 60fps most likely will run at around 50-60 fps on 1080p with 2xaa and VSYNC off.

Do some research on video cards and stressing and over heating ETC and you will see it won't happen in a 600 dollar console.

Stop dreaming and face reality. Movies in 4k are possible. No problem. But games? Nope sorry not happenning. Especially in a console any time soon.

[TheFreak]

When will sony learn? The company is already losing huge amounts of money and they want to gamble on this (if it's true). Make the console as CHEAP as possible without losing quality. The people who are running this company should be knocked over the head with a baseball bat and put to sleep haha.

[ATi_Elite]

1. "Supporting 4K Resolution" and "RUNNING games at Native 4K Resolution" are TWO entirely different things.

2. 4K Tv's cost over $10,000

3. Do you really expect the PS4 to run Games at Native 4K resolution when the PS3 has like NO AAA 1080p resolution games and not all AAA PS3 games are 720p

4. 4K TV's cost over $10,000

5. Only the AMD HD7970 $469, AMD FirePro Series GPU's $600 or higher, or Nvidia GTX680 $500 are capable or rendering games at 4K resolution. See the dollar amount of those cards. Sure the price will drop by the PS4 release but by how much?

6. 4K Tv's cost over $10,000

7. Now mid way through the PS4 life cycle 4K Tv's "MIGHT" catch on and drop in price.

I seriously doubt it cause most people do not have 1080p TV's and NO broadcast that I know of are higher than 1080p

8. 4k TV's cost over $10,000

9. AMD is very capable of making a custom PS4 GPU to fit the PS4 watt requirements and pump out 4K Resolution but at what COST to the consumer? Backwards capabilities to the PS2 and PS3 have already been rumored to be a No GO in the PS4 to save on $$$$$.

10. $700 Console and $10,000 4K Tv, I don't have that type of cash! Hell that's a nice used car if you ask me!

[theaceh]

Crazy Ken promised a whole bunch of stuff with the ps3 (6 usb ports, etc) and Jack Tretton straight out lied about the Motorstorm and Killzone footage we saw before the PS3 released.

I think some PS3 owners must have selective memories or something. All I know is that I have learned to take a "lets wait and see" approach when it comes to rumors and anouncements from Sony and other tech companies. I expect great quality products from Sony, but It's just safer to set your expectations a bit below whatever they promise.

Ken Kutaragi
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[sak500]

Agreed +bubbs for both ati_elite and theaceh. Sony followers will believe anything even it's proven time and again sony lies when putting out its consoles. Ps2 ? toystory graphics, poor saddam hussain of iraq bought 100s of thousands of ps2 to use it for military believing the chips on ps2 could be used for advanced weaponry.

And all the pre-Ps3 launch hype all of us remember except the sony koolaid drinking army.

So for ps4 the promised 4k, 50terabyte storage, 50 billion mhz of processing power, nuclear powered laugh-engine (cry-engine is already TM)etc will not happen.

[tee_bag242]

Well put ATI

[Kos-Mos]

Well said.

[ABizzel1]

Maybe for pictures and possibly for video playback. Gaming is highly unlikely. Even todays high end GPUs would have problems with running graphically intensive games at that resolution with a solid framerate and they cost $400+ so unless you want a $600+ PS4 then don't get your hopes up. Next gen will see a leap in graphics @ 1080p, but 4K and even 2K is too much for current tech to produce an Uncharted 4 with the leap gamers want without a $600+ console.

[shutUpAndTakeMyMoney]

To bad this has nothing to do with gaming and 4k tv are like $10,000.

I hope they say ps4 will be in 4d and run at 240fps again so that ps fans can just go wild! lol

[greenpowerz]

Sony fans will work 4 jobs this time to pay for PS4. 720 will perform like the 360 next geni when it comes to more advanced 3rd party games but this fact will be ignored again next gen because of wild claims. Remember Sony fans boasted supernatural capabilities about ps3 before its launch and Sony let the fanboys say untrue things, forcing Sony to add more lies.

Super computers etc.

Sony fans think nintendo fans are disagreeing but its all rational fans of all consoles.

[linkratos]

This would be the final nail in the coffin of the Playstation brand. 999 USD consoles are not gonna fly in this market. This is not just being un-cost effective, this is financial suicide.

This better only be fore Blu-Ray. Complete waste gaming wise.

[fr0sty]

Guys, with a firmware update PS3 can do 4k. The difference being, will that be 4K games or just 4k video (as the BD players and all that the article mentions only provide). You need to keep in mind how much more power is needed to actually natively render a game at 4k resolution. Most PS3 games run natively at 720p resolution. 4k is more than 8 times higher resolution than that. For that alone you need 8 times the power of the GPU to handle rendering that. Your frame buffer has grown 8x. 8x more pixels needed (higher fill rate) per frame. Everything has to be higher, and not just a little.

Not saying it isn't possible, however with current top of the line video cards not able to hit 4k resolution with AA, AF, and other post processing effects applied while keeping a playable frame rate, I don't see PS4 doing it either. You can't expect them to get a video card that is the size of 3 PS3 games stacked on top of each other and connected to a power brick the size of a gamecube to fit into a console sized case, and not instantly ignite into flames as soon as you turn it on. If PS3 really is going to be on shelves by christmas 2013, native 4k resolution games will be about as frequent as native 1080p games are this generation.

[ConstipatedGorilla]

Calm down. This is doubtful.

[Emilio_Estevez]

They need to hurry up with 4K, I can still see pixels!

[airforcex]

Remember that the GPU won't be anything that exceeds what PCs can do. Sure, it'll do 4k but the framerate will suffer. Call of Duty won't be 4k. LBP, sure! And expect the next XBOX to do the same.

[under taker 34]

"sony’s PlayStation 4 to support 4K"

......and a 4k price tag if true which is Blatantly non sense. the company would hit a spiraling new level of low revenue, which would send the company to bankruptcy.

most 2014 games won't run even at 2000p, most 2014 pcs should be able to run ps3, 360 and wii-u games at higher.

........but not what we haven't seen. ps3 was said to run all ps3 games at 1080p, which was actually an official statement, and it turned out to be false.

[DiRtY]

Anyone checked the prices of a 4k TV lately? The Toshiba is available for 7,500 Euro / 9,420 USD.

I know, prices will go down, but even next year you will have a 5000 Euro price tag... For the first generation of these TVs.

Of course the console would be at least $600 and Sony is so broke, that might be a real challenge for them. They did close Studio Liverpool, BigBig and Zipper for a reason.

[Moncole]

Thats why the PS2 was weakest console last gen because Sony always pushes technology.

[cedaridge]

1st less deal with the past. Yes! SONY ps2 is less powerful than the original xbox but were is it TODAY? u can still get a ps2 for $40 to $50 bucks wth games for dirt cheap. 2nd less deal with the present. ps3 is more powerful than xbox 360 but the problem with Sony console was price & the cell being to hard, multiplat games on ps3 just plan SUCK and the Exclusives mean NOTHING without the multiplats to go with it. that is what made the PS2. 3rd the future. I Believe 2K/4K will happen the HDMI cables are already available and i seen a samsung smart tv doin 960hz, but the cost is ridiculous! I hope Sony look at the TRUE lifecycle of the PS2 when making the PS4 because I do like the ps3 but my madden, 2kBBall, COD, Multiplat games is done on the xbox 360 and my ps3 is starting to collect dust. 1st gen went to Sony PS2. 2nd gen goes to Microsoft XBOX 360. 3rd gen? "Time will Tell but the Nintendo Wii U is the 1st one coming!" psn: cedaridge / xbl: cedar4Thunder

[fr0sty]

Dreamcast says hi.

[DarkSavior]

Support doesn't mean native resolution. The current ps3 had only a handful of native 1080p resolution games. Support just means at this moment "work with". For example you can buy a 720 Samsung plasma. It "supports" 1080p. It gets downscaled. We should have new systems at least focus on 1080p as the minimum.

[tee_bag242]

It's not that difficult to have a system that supports 4k. Before anyone gets too excited, get a clue and think about the framerate. A high end PC can support beyond 4k resolution ie. eyeifinity but will take a major hit in performance. I'm sure a PS4 could support this res at release but I don't imagine games will run at 60fps with a Single GPU, not unless there is some massive (unlikely) technological breakthrough.
But for browsing, movies and low spec apps it's entirely possible. More than anything it's Marketing talk as usual.

[whoyouwit04]

If this is true sony needs to remember what happen with the ps3 and vita launch all that tech and no buyers, you would think they would've learn by now that it is not tech that sell consoles its the games.
And yea while sony do deliver games it seems that dosen't help either maybe people are just done with sony.

[Apex13]

Firstly for those who just here tech and get excited calm down. It would be a stupid move on Sonys part to do so because the penetration for 4k is going to be so small to begin with.

Like any new tv tech it's going to be expensive for over a year and we are talking 4-8K expensive.

Sony doing that will just shoot up the price of their new console which will lead to PS3 disaster.

[Abdou23]

4K TVs wont be popular for another 4 years,same as HDTVs.

[Lugia5000]

LOL he got a bubble with that?

PS3 RULEZ AND IZ KING

I deserve a bubble now.

[tokugawa]

lol @ the idiotic fanboys..

sony is in a whole world of financial trouble, their tvs are not what they used to be, and they are frankly no longer the leader or innovator of anything.

as the ps3 has just taught them, even their once owned console market is no longer a cash cow.

yet all the idiotic n4g sony sheep think that sony are going to throw out another expensive 4k able console? you kids aren't well.

sony are on the verge of financial ruin. whole countries are on the verge also, so dont start saying or thinking that sony are too big because they aint.

if sony does this (releases an expensive and late 4k able console) then releases a new line of tvs especially for this, in the current economical climate... then i think we can say goodbye to the sony that you idiotic fanboys love.

i dont think that sony are still deluded! i am certain that they have woken up and realise that they are in serious trouble, and the sony brand is no longer held in the highest esteem..

another expensive mistake would be suicide..

disagree away kids

[remanutd55]

its getting interesting, now show me the games sony, show me the games and then i will decide if i upgrade to 4K, i havent upgrade to 3D because im still waiting on a glassless tv set but by the look of things i dont see that happening anytime soon so at next E3 with the ps4 launch line up unveiled and im assuming not that expensive 4K tvs i will decide if i upgrade or not. but first i want to see the games running on 4K tvs

[NastyLeftHook0]

gt6 (if a ps4 title) would be incredible on 4k i could only imagine what the KING of simulators would be like on 4k.

[beerkeg]

The king of car racing simulation is only available on pc. Which would be a reality in 4k.

4K racing on ps4 will not be a reality.

[Allsystemgamer]

Games will not be 4k.

If $2000 Pcs don't do it what makes you think a $600 console will?

[whoyouwit04]

What the hell is every body proplem with wearing classes to watch a movie, hell its not like you are going to watch every thing in 3d even if it was avaliabl, so thats what about 6 to 8 hours a week maybe less that you but on a pair of shades got damn. I swear Americans complain over the Dumbest stuff and wonder why we are so far behind japan and techology.

[remanutd55]

im sorry whoyouwit04 but i get dizzy everytime i watch a 3D movie or wear 3D glasses, is not a dumb comment, you made a dumb comment, so thats the reason im waiting for a glassless 3Dtv and next time think before commenting nonsense.

[LOL_WUT]

Now that would truly be next-gen

[mcstorm]

I agree but I don't see it. I think it will support 1080p running at full 60fps and upscale to 4k abit like most games are 720p now.

HD/3D tvs are only just starting to get into peoples price range. I remember when I got my 360 and I did not know anyone who had a HD TV and it was only 12months after I got my 1st one.

4K tvs are not going to be in most peoples price range for another 5 years or so.

It would be nice for sony to give it support but I think to give it full support will push the price of the PS4 up and I think sony want to try and go with a price range the next xbox will have to try and beat it out the gates this time round.

[DigitalAnalog]

1080p is already punishing most graphic cards with current-gen games. What kind of unbelievable horsepower that will allow the PS4 to play NEXT-GEN graphics at 4K resolution? That would be like the equivalent of Uncharted 3 running 60fps per second 1080P in 3D for the PS3. Extremely unlikely. No, I'm sure it has something to do with the new disc format, images and the whatnot. Games on the other hand, absolutely not.

Unless...

The PS4 is actually a PC service in disguise. Like Steam but a SONY specific application to run it's own independent games.

[tachy0n]

the PS3 cant even do REAL 1080P, same with the X360

4K resolution will be the same as it is happening with 1080p right now with consoles, upscaled with low/high resolution textures/low FPS.

but still! thats great! getting the PS4 day one!

[DigitalAnalog]

That was just an example since the concept of resolutions have been clearly flying over a lot people's heads. There's really no point "upscaling" to 4K since the pixel density would remain the same regardless if it was a 4K or a standard HDTV.

[cee773]

yes because of ram restrictions and the gpu its been 6 and 7 years tech advances people tablets are beginning to push 1080p so use your imagination

[Baka-akaB]

It's hardly that clearcut . If your source is 1080p, then the final image, even upscaled, is still based on a 1080p source - you cannot add additional information. However, with a good quality video processing chip, you can 'guess' the missing information, so theoretically yes - you can improve the picture.

So actually yeah you can have a small improvement from it . Let's not pretend dvd upscaling wasnt giving a good result most times . It can be worse too , but most it's still a neat "better than nothing while waiting for source material" option

[NastyLeftHook0]

well, the king knows what to do, when to do it. 4k will be great.

[Allsystemgamer]

Yea. For movies. If you think the games will be 4k and not look like ps1 games you are delusional. You usually have sensable comments but this is just blind fanboyism.

Sony movie codecs most likely will allow 4k

Games will NOT support 4k.

Again...

If a $2000 pc doesn't do it

What makes you think a $600 console will?

[beerkeg]

Yeah, those 3D tvs are flying off the shelves. Let's bring in 80 inch 4k tvs. They'll sell.

[tachy0n]

LOL

pay $20,000 for a TV?

[DwightOwen]

I read it was $30,000 somewhere.

[tachy0n]

@DwightOwen

84 inch LG 4K TV is what im talking about.

[bub16]

haha LG SUCKS!

[Ryo-Hazuki]

I would love to see 4k games on the PS4 if it's possible next-gen

[metsgaming]

Im pretty sure the ps3 already supports 4k, i think just for picture. Great but how long till 4k is affordable and supported. Sony is rumored to release a 80 inch 4k tv for like 30,000. Yea that will have to come down really quickly in order for anyone to even think of supporting a 4k game.

[Lugia5000]

Mmm hmm, because yahoo said so, right?

[Voiceofsoi]

Personally, I think getting rid of aliasing on consoles once and for all, having 60 or 120fps as the standard for all racing and fighting games, and a launch price of $400 or less is more important.

However, if they can do all that with a native 4k resolution, and I think it's possible, holy crap dude. What a leap.

[TopDudeMan]

I won't buy a tv that big. I don't think I'd have enough wall space.

[bub16]

knock down your wall and replace it with the TV?

[GribbleGrunger]

I wouldn't get your hopes up people. This is only a rumour after all and 4k would eat that memory and processing power. Not to mention it would be a hard sell to convince people to upgrade their TVs yet again. I'd say that 1080p at 60fps is a definite, but 4k games? It's not going to happen for a very long time.

We may see it in the browser if they use that new tech they've been working on. Can't remember what it's called but it allows you to zoom in on a small portion of the screen. That potion contains yet more information and has other points you can zoom into.

[Baka-akaB]

My bet is mostly and most likely for videos anyway , if true .

[GribbleGrunger]

Yes, that I can agree on. The 4k assets for a game would be a huge undertaking for devs, let alone the processing power, storage and memory you'd need to run them. I'm not saying it's impossible, but it's highly unlikely. Maybe a few PSN titles may pop up from time to time with that resolution as an option, but most games will run at 1080p because those are the majority of TVs out there.

[WeskerChildReborned]

Wasn't this already rumored back a while ago?

[TotalHitman]

If the PS4 is going to last 10 years like the PS3, it better be 4k resolution.

[sway_z]

Forget 4K....just make sure every games's 1080P 60FPS as standard & make sure there's plenty of RAM Sony!!!

[Baka-akaB]

not just plenty . It better make sure it doesnt have less than its assumed xbox direct competitor , for the sake of multiplatform games

[Qrphe]

Unlikely as Sony isn't even pushing 4K TVs nor monitors as much as it pushed 3D.

In addition, there is no support for 4K PC gaming so I doubt this rumour.

[shutUpAndTakeMyMoney]

BF3 4k!
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[deletingthis34675334]

4K is a little overkill don't you think? I doubt most games would internally render images higher than 1080p. Besides, how close do you sit in front of your 52" TV at home? 2 feet? You are going to lose your vision soon.

[--Onilink--]

hahahaha i honestly cant even begin to comprehend the people who think this rumor is true.

Just some slight technical knowledge should be more than enough to get some common sense working, and realize that its not an "oh i bet its going to be expensive, like the PS3" scenario. We are talking that current monstrosities like the GTX690 (a $1000 dual GPU card) can probably do 80fps on 2500x1600 w/max settings on Battlefield 3. This is a card that came out a few months ago, and it probably cant do 4k and keep a locked 60fps. And thats without considering the absurd amount of RAM that would be needed to have those massive textures

And now im supposed to believe a console, which is more than just the graphics card, running engines which will only improve on whats seen with Frostbite 2, will do 4K?? I prefer to be realistic so i dont end up dissapointed

Please people, lets not be so naive. And even then, why would i care about 4k in my $1000+ fictional console if i also have to spend $10.000 on a new TV??

[Lugia5000]

Its N4G. When PS3 has an awesome rumor, then its true.

[DivineAssault]

lol i doubt ppl will run out & buy a $2000+ tv just to maximize resolution... 1080p will be standard & 4k for the rich.. PS4 having the ability to run it is fine but if they think it will push tv sales, they are wrong.. I guess we will have to wait n see.. Another yr of rumors & speculation that will end up 80% false

[--Onilink--]

those tv's are nowhere near $2.000. Sony actually announced an 80 inch TV thats going to cost $30.000.

[DivineAssault]

agreed.. but i said $2000+, so i meant from smallest on up

[tommygunzII]

2k and 4k is a reality in the very near future. It shouldn't come as a surprise that a console in 2014 would have it as well.

[TheKayle]

4k on a 55/60 tv? useless...... point (and i got a 55 samsung tv)

anyway is a bullshit too much power needed to run a game in 4k and ps4 for sure cant have a 700 800$ sk video on it

[Freakazoid2012]

"The estimated retail price of Sony’s 80-inch XBR? Our source says it will be in the ballpark of $30,000, and we could see an introduction as soon as this coming holiday season. We’ll have more on Sony’s 4K plans soon."

Sure it sounds great kids.Now you just need need 30,000 for the TV and 2,000 for the console...

I swear some Sony fans will believe anything.

[Anon1974]

Oh great. Another poster looking to flame other gamers simply because of their gaming choice.

Quick story, I mentioned the fact that when the PS3 came out originally it was matching what the PS2 did in sales from launch until the recession hit in 2008. This guy was "Derp! You're a liar!" So I provide him with links to Sony's own sales data and VGSalesWiki that also links back to Sony's data. The guy completely ignores the Sony link and says "Yeah, anyone can edit VGSalesWiki!" despite the fact the data directly links to Sony's official data.

I point this out and he says "I know what happened the past 6 years! The PS3 hasn't outsold the PS2" like someone was making that argument. What's further telling is from his original comment, it's clear he understood I was talking about sales initially after launch, but suddenly I'm the guy in the wrong because I'm claiming the PS3 overall outsold the PS2? Show me where I said any such thing. Then, rather than reading or even trying to comprehend my comments, or - god forbid - take a second to get informed, he insults me and blocks me.

The whole thing started this huge dogpile on my comments of people personally attacking me as a liar, but not one actually tried to provide evidence to the contrary. That's one of the main things wrong with a lot of the posters around here. They're either flaming or speaking from positions of ignorance and they have no desire to ever consider other people's opinions.

Just like this guy's post. No thought. No opinion provided on the topic. Just "Sony fans are stupid for some reason" and that's it. I just don't understand the mental unbalance that causes people to just take to the forums and troll. Toxic disinhibition. You guys seriously need help.

Nice new account, by the way. So tell me, how many of these accounts do you go through in a month before people get sick of your flaming and debubble them? Methinks the mods might want to have a look at the ole IP address and see how many other accounts it matches up to.

Edit: Oh, I can see from the sudden disagrees on my comment and agrees on his he has at least two. ;)

[Freakazoid2012]

LOL 15 disagrees for you...

Nowhere in my post did I say Sony fans were stupid. I said some of them will believe anything. Mainly talking about you of course.

LOL the best thing about your post is you describe yourself perfectly.. No ability to think for yourself. Believe anything you read online as fact. Nobody can have an opinion that doesnt match yours or they are a hater,troll, ignorant, etc.

BTW kid a wikigames site anyone can edit is not proof of anything.

You said the PS3 outsold the PS2 until 2008. What I said is that is a lie. PS3 sales have only increased since its release not decreased.. You have to be really really stupid to think that as the price of the PS3 dropped its sales went down.

Keep trolling, keep hating,and above all remain ignorant. It's much more amusing than if you actually knew what you were talking about.

[2pacalypsenow]

Ps3 already does 4k resolution for pictures but in the next 2-5 years i doubt we'll have 4k tv's in the normal price range

[OpenGL]

Yeah, I was going to mention this. Also HDMI 1.4 only supports 4K at 24Hz which will be too slow for games, so it's likely only going to support 4K for pictures and the next Blu-ray revision. If Sony wants 4K for games they'll need to support DisplayPort, and I can't really see it replacing HDMI on HDTVs but who knows.

[WildStyles]

Nothing wrong with future proofing your system. Just make sure it's not ridiculously priced.

[taquito]

the ps3 does 1080p as well, but what res are the games, 720p at MOST on all titles besides crapy indie/psn/2d games

it cannot even handle ps2 games in 1080p on those remakes, so, even if this is true, it will strictly be for movies/next gen bluray

resistance 3 = 960x704
alan wake = 940x540

4K = 4096 × 2160 , lol.....only pc's push that much juice, if the ps4 DID do that res in gaming, I would be all for it, and I would gladly cough up the $1200-$1500 for it, nobody else would though, and that is why it is 100% for sure not going to be supported in any games next gen, the only place you can game in high resolutions like that are on pc

[tubers]

I completely agree.

I hope everyone would understand that.

I just hope most AA graphically demanding games for the PS4 doesn't go below 1366 x 768 native @ solid 30 FPS with a good AA filter.

[Reference: PS3 Crysis 2 is only 1024 x 720 native]

(I am not expecting much from the next gen unless it costs like 700 dollars for the lowest model)

[dkgshiz]

As long as they keep the price to a $400 max it will all be good.

[JellyJelly]

Start by making 1080p the standard resolution for games and I'll be happy.

One thing I learned this gen is to take all the pre-release hype (bullsh*t) with a LARGE grain of salt.

[RegorL]

Of cause they will!

PS4 will probably do 4k like PS3 does 1080p
(in _film_ playback and very few games)

[shossofe]

Going with the rumored specs, this rumor seems more like a fairy tale wish.

[x800]

4k? hahahah dont make me laugh!

[OC_MurphysLaw]

When I find myself owning a tv capable of 4k... I suppose I can be excited. But the likely hood of that happening before I buy a big old 60" cheap 1080P flat screen is slim to none. It will be a long as time before I jump through that hoop.

[pandehz]

Im pretty sure ps4 wont be able to handle 4k games. Unless its something thats not graphically intensive.

[Azazel]

4k has been out for 6 months now. I am guessing you dont know sony; and you dont own a ps3 either.

[synce]

It probably will support it but don't expect any games to take advantage of it. Just like the PS3 supports 1080p but it's 99% 720p, and many of those games are actually sub-720p resolution. I think the next-gen standard will be Blu-ray at 1080p

[warhawkbeast559]

As soon as there's a PC capable of playing a game at 4k. these same people here saying its "overkill", "Not Needed" or "It'll cost too much" are going to be the same people bending over for it. I can careless if its a 'rumor' or not.

[steve30x]

Saying you can care less means that you do care. If you said you couldn't care less then you wouldn't care.

[hesido]

I can careless, you can careful. :)

[steve30x]

Sony also claimed that all PS3 games would run natively 1080P 60FPS. Dont believe anything until the console is available and tested.

[capcock]

It won't, don't be in denial

[Braid]

Yeah that's great, and what kind of a beastly hardware will be able to pull this off? Even a double GTX 690 would not be able to render 4K resolution games at a stable framerate. Let's be reasonable for a second, folks. Most of you are not even willing to pay more than 500 bucks for the console, so I'd say good luck with that.

[ElementX]

Sony also tried to push 3D and look where that got them.

[Zancruz]

3D was an added feature that was added years later... Sony pushed Blu-ray and yes, see where that got them. Blu ray is everywhere and more affordable and greatly enjoyed by people that watch them.

[StreetsofRage]

Bluray is not everywhere. Some thought it would be the next dvd, but it clearly wasn't. Places that sell and rent movies are dissapearing and stream services are appearing. Bluray for the most part has failed. Unfortunately I wish it didn't since I prefer disc media over streaming. Now companies sell a combo bluray plus the standard which makes no sense. All it does is raise the price. Sony has a history of pushing failed products and services... this right here will be one of them.

[Zancruz]

Where do u live? Seriously my local best buy blu-ray section is bigger than than a dvd section.... Netflix is what killed the rental stores long before they started streaming movies, Blu-rays looks and sounds better than any other format thats currently available.

[ElementX]

Best Buy is going down. Read the news their sales were 90% down or was it below projected?

[XabiDaChosenOne]

@streetsofRage Are you serious? Walmarts Bluray section SHITS on its DVD section. And streaming will not replace physical media.

[Zancruz]

Lol, Really dude? Best Buy was and example, I can go into most stores in chicago and find a nice size selection a blu ray movies like target, walmart or Frys.... Hell and let's not forget online sites like Amazon and many many others....

[FRONTLINE]

whats 4k

[--Onilink--]

1080p is 1920x1080. 4K is 4096x1714 (that's actually the lowest 4K type, there are 3 others)

Basically 4-6 times the amount of pixel than 1080p

[Qrphe]

With that said, 2k is a lot more likely to be supported for games while also having 1080p for 3D gaming.

4K may be only supported, if anything, for home theatre systems like already suggested.

[omarzy]

When will this site stop approving this crap?

[StreetsofRage]

Useless tech. Unless you buy a 60 inch tv and up and play a few inches away from the screen, than your eyes won't see a difference. This is for movie buffs with home movie theaters who will buy the 80 inch sets. Blurays never caught fire and have been taken over with streaming services. This right here will be for a very small minority. I imagine movies being around $50 each.

[Zancruz]

People say the samething every time, It's it's useless, it's expensive, You won't see the difference blah blah blah.... Movie streaming sucks compare to Blu-ray and IF u can't see the difference then you must be blind or have a very crappy television entertainment setup. Lol

[sandman224]

Thank you Sony. Good bye 3d hello 4k. 4k is here to stay. Thats what I'll be chanting when it happens. I just hope Sony will have enough horsepower inside the ps4 to allow games to run at 4k with out any sacrifice to the games performance.

[Ambivalent_]

They should have 4K video playback and gaming in 1080p. Seems to me as a win-win compromise.

[Zancruz]

I can believe it...

PS1 was REALLY made for Nintendo, to be a disc drive for them.
PS2 had, DVD-rom, fiber optic cable, dolby surround sound and etc
PS3 had, Blu-ray rom, 1.3 HDMI, 3D, Build in WIFI and etc...

While other companies claimed they didn't need that type of technology in their system, but added it in later future console updates... Sony maybe advance and pushing the boundaries of technology and while game developers are not utilizing the Playstation's technology until halfway into its life cycle. Sony is looking into the full entertainment value of the playstation brand with movies, games, music, conectivity... I welcome 4K resolution in the PS4, even though I just brought a brand new 2012 60in 3D LED that wouldn't even be able to display the beauty of 4K.... 4 years it will be time to upgrade my TV anyway.

[BrianC6234]

I hope Sony includes lots of RAM for video on the PS4. If they don't why bother with this idea? How much RAM would be needed to make games with that kind of resolution anyway?

[SnipeySnake]

Oh come on...I just bought an HDTV a couple weeks ago ;-;

[mrbojingles]

Why? 4k TVs won't be on the market in a big way until 2014 or 2015 and even then they won't be widely adopted until 4-5 years after that. HDTVs just became widely adopted and that's 720p. Don't have enough people with 1080p.

I guess it's nice to have it go to 4K but a incredibly small group of people will use that

[Wile]

I work in the film business. Most films are shot on the ARRI ALEXA camera. It's shoots 2K maximum. Almost all theaters project 2K maximum. There is the RED EPIC camera that shoots 5K that sometimes is used on movies and televison but even then, when it is edited it is done in 2K. Point being there is NO 4K media available.

If Sony's PS4 supports 4K it will only be for videogames.

[plmkoh]

"when it is edited it is done in 2K."

Did you just contradict yourself, the source is totally different to what you edit it to be. Since film of about 35mm is approximately the equivalent of 13 megapixels and 4K resoluion being about 9 megapixels, it just means that in order to resolve true 1:1 film we need 4K and therefore cinemas should be 4K.

http://gizmodo.com/5914426/...

"NO 4K media available."...it's not really that hard.

[Wile]

Hmmm...how long did it take you to Google that link you posted. How many features have you worked on? How many films, television and commercials have you edited? Don't pretend you know what you are talking about.

I've worked in the industry for more than 20 years. The last major I worked on was Marvel's "The Avengers". It was shot in 2K using the ARRI ALEXA (as most films are these days). Most theaters are only capable of 2K. Mastering for almost all movies shot on ALEXA is done in 2K. Movies shot on RED's EPIC camera can be mastered at as high as 5K but it then must be down converted to 2K for distribution.

Theaters just finished converting all their projection systems from film to digital in the last 10 years. If you think "it's not that hard" to convert an entire industry's format standard, I suggest you look into the struggle the FCC just went thru to get US broadcasters into the HD era. It took 20 years of regulation, negotiation and tax incentives.

[plmkoh]

.

[plmkoh]

"how long did it take you to Google that link"

2 seconds, it's a generic Gizmodo story link and it's the first link on google.

Working in the industry proves absolutely nothing, since you are only looking at things as of present rather than to the future (that's what the PS4 is, it's for the future).

The Avengers was shot with contemporary digital equipment, so of course it's going to be 2k, but who's to say it'll be that way in the next few years, hell Star Wars: Attack of the clones was shot in digital the equivalent of 1080p and that was already hi-res for the time.

" If you think "it's not that hard" to convert an entire industry's format standard"

Who said 4K needs to be an industry standard to get things started to enjoy it now or in the next 3-5 years? I'm going to go see the 4K DCP restoration of Lawrence of Arabia next month and that's at a local independent Cinema...

http://www.astortheatre.net...

"Scanned in 8K from 65mm negative elements, and projected using our Barco 4K 32B projector"

and why is that possible, because as I said standard 35mm film is the equivalent of 4k+ res, not hard to understand the concept that 4k isn't some magical fairytale.

[Wile]

Whatever you say Slick. I'm not continuing to waste my time and experience to counter your love affair with Google.

I'm done here. Good day.

[MoreRPG]

Just imagine Uncharted 4 in 4k resolution

[Ricdog]

Just imagine Uncharted in 1080p.

Sorry but no games will support 4k resolution. Sony lied. Everyone was all over 1080p for the ps3 yet that never came. Most games, including good looking ones like killzone, are not even native 1080p. Most games barely hit 720p, if even that since actually a lot are below even that.

[MoreRPG]

I know this wont happen im just saying it would be cool to have a game like that

[Oschino1907]

More simplistic games on PS3 can and do run at 1080p and 60fps and they look great and run smooth. I wouldn't be surprised to see more basic games in 4k as they could look amazing and 4k could really enhance the 3d or split screen w/ or w/out 3d.

Not many have 60+ inch tvs or home theatre systems but for those who do this would be great and in the future 60+ inches and 4k will become more common and more affordable. We have a 61inch in our "family room" for sports and movies but I prefer the better quailty and smaller 46inch in my bedroom for gaming because it looks so much sharper.

I don't know about you but some of my favorite games this gen have been the simple cheap downloadble ones. If 1080p is the standard for all games, and a few basic simple games (which can often be very eye catching with art styles and design) are put out in 4k, I will be very happy and have to consider a 4k oled tv down the road when I feel its the right time to upgrade.

4k may not be for AAA games but for movies, pictures, web etc... It shouldn't be a huge task at all in a few years time and will only be a positive and purely optional (to take advantage of) addition.

[Emilio_Estevez]

Kind of a given imo, they've been selling the 4k bluray players for a while.

[DwightOwen]

Will it also do 4D graphics at 120 frames-per-second???

[Xperia_ion]

Just on the safe side going to save more money.

[DEATHxTHExKIDx]

w8 can tvs even do 4K yet?

[FinaLXiii]

As long it garantee´s native 1080p for all its games im not gonna complain about it.

[urwifeminder]

Eat it up like its gospel lol keep dreaming.

[IHateYouFanboys]

so in other words, sonys failing TV division wants to push 4K TVs on the public, most likely at their exorbitant prices as always.

games next generation will not be in 4K resolution. firstly because literally <0.5% of the population worldwide will have 4K tvs. secondly because if a game can run in 4K it can run 10x better and look 10x better in 1080p, which also happens to be the standard resolution of all tvs manufactured in the last 12+ months.

theyre just trying to sell tvs, much like how they pushed 3D on the PS3 to try and sell 3D tvs. that didnt work, so theyre gonna try again with 4K.

[ninjahunter]

Gather around children and listen to the tales of men who use words that they know nothing about.

[Treian]

even my monitor doesn't support 4k resolution...Oo....

[Limit760]

Called it. http://n4g.com/news/918435/... haha

[mamotte]

And they'll sell it in a combo with a 4k tv. Only $3500.

I mean, how mainstream are 4K tv? Do we really need something like that? The difference between 720p is noticeable in TV bigger than 42", so 4k should be noticeable in our awesome 168", our cheap TV that we're going to put in our mansion, next to our pink Hummer.

[glennco]

you will notice on anything above 55/60". They will bring them to market and the price will drop fairly quick. people are not buying TVs for 3D so they need another hook. 4K is it. how else will they get people to keep buying TVs even though they have a decent one already.

[turgore]

4k games will not happen, but 4k video playback, menus and perhaps even downloadable games could be possible.

[HaVoK308]

Just like each new GPU supports dozens of features, so will the PS4 and new Xbox. That does not mean they will be practical for the general population.

4K TVs are a ways off, and when they do arrive it will be quite some time before they can be found at your local Walmart at a decent price. So, if the install base is not there the publishers won't be footing the bill if there are no positive returns. The budget for games that support 4K would be insane. Hundred-million dollar games would be the norm. The industry wants to lower the cost of games, not raise it.

It will just be a fancy bullet-point for delusional fanboys. Nothing more.

One thing is for sure, when the day comes that I buy a 4KTV it won't be Sony's. Guaranteed to be overpriced. Nope, it will most likely be a Samsung. Just like most of the people in the World.

[PersonMan]

I agreed with you on everything especially the Samsung comment. I love my Samsung TV and my Samsung monitor. They both outshine my Sony Bravia (which I pretty much hate and it has vertical banding on the screen as well).

Samsung is the way to go. I won't be buying any more Sony screens.

[BelieveinGhosts]

I have a Sony Bravia too but i heard that Samsung HD tv's suffer from input lag and is bad for gaming. Is it true?

[PersonMan]

BelieveinGhosts: Samsung HDTVs have a game mode and the input lag is the same as my Sony Bravia (with game mode on of course).

However, if you want the least lag, you'll want to buy a good HDMI-compatible computer monitor. Mine is a Samsung XL2370. I love it. HDMI, audio-out, 1080p. Computer monitors are often cheaper than HDTVs as well. I have mine on my desk next to my computer monitor. That way I have easy access to my PS3 and computer at the same time.

[TABSF]

LG and Samsung have already demonstrated 4K Res TV/Monitors
This Res is destine for PC first then Consoles.

Also the Next Gen would need 2GB minimum to support a resolution this high.

[ClydeRadcliffe]

Makes sense. If the PS4 has a 7-8 year life-cycle, and it's out Q4 2013 to Q2 2014, that'll see it being around til approximately 2022 before it's replaced. That's a LONG time, and 1080p will long since have been replaced by 4K. No point hamstringing your console by restricting its resolution. Even if 4K doesn't become mainstream at that stage, it's better to have compatibility for it than be found wanting like the Wii was.

You can be sure the next Xbox will have the ability to support it too, if not out of the box than with an already planned FW upgrade

[SDF Repellent]

PS2 = Toy Story Graphics

PS3 = Killzone 2 CGI trailer as in-game engine

PS4 = ????

[Morgue]

4k tv's and PS4 will be released when my GF finds a job and pays for the Netflix she lies around and watches all day.

Then has the balls to cOmplain that after I Work all day only pays attention to games and not her. COUGH!!

I'm paying the bills

[glennco]

Xbox 1 supported 1080. so what? doesn't mean anything

[PhunnyJesta]

I don't think many games will run 4k till maybe the next gen. If the ps4 was running crossfired AMD 7990s it might but with the rumored specs of 7670 and the A8 APU there's no way. Even the highest end GPUs on PC have trouble getting certain games at 60fps on 2560x1600.

[coolmaster]

I wonder what games will be in this enormous resolution...Tetris 4K Edition?

[g-nome]

On the ps3 they had 1080p output when there where hardly full hd tv's around , looks like a lot of people forget how quickly things progress to the next level. The ps4 will be able to upscale movie playback and photos to 4k , that is a given.

[InsaneGam3r]

Time to switch to Xbox

[NateCole]

Why does it matter to you people if Sony supports 4K?.

None of you have to buy it if you people don't want to.

Me. I am a tech head so i will be at the front line waiting for this baby.

[SpecialK]

Probably, but only in the same way that current consoles can support 1080p.

In very few games which are generally less graphically intensive. I mean who knows maybe even current gen consoles could technically support 4K if were talking about an indie game or something really basic like flow.

^ thats not fact though merely a thought.

[Karum]

The next batch of consoles are easily going to be improved in terms of technical specs so none of us need to worry there, though I doubt we'll be seeing many Uncharted quality games at 4k resolution. That 4k res will be more for video like Blu-Rays and photos I think. If it can do 1080p at 60FPS without breaking a sweat though that'd be great.

What I really want to be seeing, especially with the PS4 is features and software. I like the XMB but it needs improved, especially in game - but the thing I'd really love most of all is a ton more codecs to be supported. I'd love to just straight up play a .mkv from the console rather than running it through a media server.

[user7792788]

Why are people arguing over this?? OBVIOUSLY it means 4K movies and not 4K games...

[abzdine]

i'm not ready to buy any next gen console. maybe in 3 or 4 years i dont know but for now PS3 is perfect for me and i have a lot of games i haven't had time to play.

And if they expect me to buy PS4 AND change TV one again they can dream about it i'm not buying anything.

[Excited2play]

I think some people are going to very disappointed when next generation arrives. Of course we want great graphics but let's be realistic folks, There is a limit on what can be achieved with a $400-$500 Console.

nevertheless I'm still very much excited to see what's next :)

[konohashin]

everyone getting randy over this is stupid lol.

I mean 4k whats the point? If its just upscaling even good TVs or av receivers will do the job.

If the console will be able to render games in 4k then read this:

If the ps4 will come out 100% of the people will have NO 4k display.

If the ps4 will be out for lets say 3 years. 100% of the games untill then will be 1080p and by the time will look really awesome becaue devs had 3 years to learn how to work with the console.

So lets say now after those 3 years people really beginn to have 4k displays. What now?

Make all the games run in higher resolution? Wont happen! Why?
Because I highly doupt the games from the first 3 years were not using the machines full potential on purpose so they would be forced to reduce polygon count ammount of effects used draw distance etc....

and programming in 4k from the start would also be stupid because you waste power on the resolution you could have used to make the games look better in terms of draw distance/polycount etc...

Again I highly doubt that 4k has any purpose other than to show off (HEY LOOK WHAT USELESS FEATURE I HAVE!) because games wont just simply run in 4k when enough people have tvs they will either lose polygons etc. and look uglier because going from 1080p to 4k needs quite some additional power. Or the games will stay at 1080p because they realize going higher res for ugly visuals is a bad trade.

The only games that could come out in 4k would be games that look "ugly" like cheap jrpgs (Trinity Universe) or nice looking 2d games like Rayman Origins and PSN games /emulator games.

Think about it.

But hey its Sony so we shouldn't worry because its just ABLE to output 4k like the ps3 is able to output 1080p and we know what that means!

5% of the games run in 1080p so will 5% of the games run in 4k.

[SugarSoSweet]

sounds like Bullshit to me

[kaozgamer]

wow everyone is like "bullshit". kinda reminds me about the hdmi debate when rumours bout the ps3 started to circle around (back in 05), and guess what? ps3 was the first home console to have full hd resolution. wont be suprised if ps4 became the full home console to support 4k resolution

[MYSTERIO360]

If the new PS4 supports 4k resolution it will greatly increase its selling price. Sure the price will reduce after a number of years but the launch price is always the most important in a products debut just look at the PS3.

If Sony do this together with a poor collection of games at launch (like the PS3) then this will really effect Sony which i hope it won't. Hope Sony can balance price with features on this one mind you 4K resolution games would be awesome just imagining killzone 4 in 4k sweet.

[SephirothX21]

4K? God damn!

[SkullBlade169]

I guess this will be just like how the PS3 supported 1080p at <30fps...

[PersonMan]

Just because it will support 4k resolution doesn't mean the games will run at that resolution. I'm betting most games will be 1080p @ 30fps. Just as the PS3 was generally 720p @ 30fps.

Mark my words. I won't be wrong.

[IWentBrokeForGaming]

All I know is the PS3 is the most value out of the box than any console this gen!

I have the old 20gig Pro 360

I also have the 60gig PS3

it's not even fair how much the PS3 does/offers out of the box when compared to the 360!

If the features/build of the 60 gig PS3 and the PS3 Exclusives is anything to go by for the PS4...

Then yet again Sony WILL offer the best console!

[BelieveinGhosts]

Sony would be extremely stupid to include 4K in the PS4.
4K will only make a difference on large screen tv's, greater than 50 inches. It will also be very expensive and only rich people would afford it.
This gen, developers have barely managed to achieve 720p consistently on even 30fps.
Next gen should just focus on improved physics, animations, AI, particles, lighting and Graphics. The standard for next gen should be 1080p running at 60 fps.

It will be a nightmare for us gamers if sony decides to release a more expensive PS4 because of a feature that very few will use. Theres a big possibilty that this scenario could cause Sony to pull out of the console race

[kingofhalo2050]

BS!!!! They said with PS3 , its going to be released with Dual HDMI , 1080p output. When it was released, it barely did 720p with shitty jaggy corners.

I'll believe you Sony, when I actually see the console doing 4K. Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me

[Bob570]

Sorry kids, you won't be playing games in 4k resolution on the PS4.

Let's put this into perspective.
A screen with 4k resolution has 7,464,960 pixels.
Current games run in 720p, which means, they have 921,600 pixles.

That means that next gen consoles would have to be 8.1 times more powerful to run the exact same games in 4k resolution, without any other graphical upgrades.

[LostDjinn]

So 4k video then?

Sounds good. Just to throw a wrench in it...will it support 4k 3D? (HDMI revision required)

[mayberry]

I played Gran Turismo and Shadow of the Collossus in 1080i on my ps2 years before I played 1080p games on my ps3, so, imho 4k is welcome! I will purchase a 4k tv too!

[kingduqc]

we won't see games in 4k you can bet on it. I would be surprised we finish the next gen at 720p 60 fps actually.

[mmike855]

Look at how long it took to get people to buy HDTV's. There is no 2K programming or movies available yet. 4K is limited to digital cinema projectors for movie theaters at the moment, and wont reach market saturation for a good 5 or 6 years from now. The bandwidth needed to support 4k is mind-boggling, to say the least. The PS4 could suppport 4k eventually (just as the PS3 began to support 3D), but out of the box we should expect a fantastic 1080p picture with all of the bells and whistles turned on.

[Kidmyst]

I'm all for the Industry pushing forward in Tech. But have price concerns and game price. When the PS3 launched 3D was capable and came about early when hardly anyone had a 3d tv. now Many years later in the cycle of the PS3 life, 3DTvs are cheaper and more popular so Sony planned for the future. So it's all good if they build in 4K tech but at what price? I really believe PS4 and Xbox720 games will get to $70.00 after launch if not at launch.

[chukamachine]

Couldn't give a xxxx about 4k.

As long as it's 1080p @ 60fps i'm happy.

I just want more textures,shaders,women,x4-8msa a.

I just kidding about the shaders. sorry.

[PersonMan]

Next gen won't be 60fps... not if the developers want better looking graphics. I doubt they're gonna want to show you Uncharted 3 graphics with 60fps. They'd rather show you even more jaw dropping graphics at 30fps. Mark my words. I won't be wrong.

[Kin23g]

That's too much. 4K is definitely too much.