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Nintendo: We are not milking Mario franchise

Nintendo is not milking the Mario franchise by releasing so many games, according to company president Satoru Iwata.

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Shok4259d ago (Edited 4259d ago )

Title should be "We are not milking the NEW SUPER Mario series, cause that's what he's talking about.

Anyway, I agree, there's only ONE New Super Mario Bros game per system, that's not milking at all.

BUT, these games essentially the same thing over again and hardly innovate over their previous installments. They seem like copy-and-paste jobs, which essentially creates the illusion of the series being milked. I think that's what makes most people claim it's milked.

blumatt4259d ago

I think Nintendo might need to look up the word milking then. lol

All jokes aside, even though they're milking Mario, I'm STILL thinking about buying me a Wii U and a copy of Mario Wii U when it launches. I haven't had a Nintendo console since the NES and I think I'm ready to play me some Mario again.

Super Mario on the SNES was my favorite right behind Mario 3 on the NES.

I'm going to get all three consoles this go around most likely.

-Omega4259d ago (Edited 4259d ago )

Sorry this is off topic to your comment Shok but this is a Duplicate article

http://n4g.com/news/1063844...

Says the same things in here

Pushagree4259d ago

Only nintendo could tell thier fans such a blatent lie and get away with it. Mario is the original milked franchise. Companies like activision learned how to milk because of it.

live2play4259d ago (Edited 4259d ago )

super mario 3dland
new super mario bros 2
paper mario 3d

all include mario, so yea mario is milked
BUT
they all play differently

a 2d platformer
an rpg
2d/3d hybrid platformer

yes he is milked
but milking doesnt mean that those games are bad

they are actually all very very fun to play

do all of them innovate? do they all have groundbreaking new ideas? no

but it doesnt mean they are bad
lack of innovation does not equal boring gameplay
(it can, but it doesnt always)

take nsmb2 for example

the look and feel is basically a copy and paste
but its still a ton of fun

it was made by a new team that brought neat ideas to the levels

each level feels different from the others and each have a unique mechanic that makes it stand out

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.
.
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now the music in nsmb series is god awful, the game looks bland especially the wii verison

but they actually did change the backgrounds for the 3ds one,
the 3ds version looks far better than the wii one

nsmb2 has night time, dusk time, mountains, auroras, eery dried trees for the ghost levels, even the castles have different insides

this game feels alot like past mario games
it makes sense since it was made by new blood
.
. new people want to do old things
veteran developers want to try new things

stuntman_mike4258d ago

I can see Reggie pulling on that big old teat right now.

only joking i think the 3D console mario's is where Nintendo tend to innovate though.

V0LT4259d ago

Over 200+ Games and games with Mario appearances and that isn't milking?

PopRocks3594259d ago

Because gaming's most recognizable icon doesn't deserve any sort of exposure, right? /sarcasm

Would anyone claim the same thing of the Sonic franchise? At one point they were releasing around three Sonic games a year spanning out on every major platform.

Soldierone4259d ago

Yes, yes I would call Sonic milking. In fact I'm pretty sure every Sonic fan like myself felt alienated by it. You buy a Sonic game and it sucked for the 10th time in a row, you kinda start to second guess buying them.

The difference is SEGA kinda screwed themselves and needed a cash crab, Nintendo isn't in that hole and could be innovating or creating another icon.

mobiusoneac44259d ago

"Nintendo isn't in that hole and could be innovating or creating another icon"

This. It feels like such a waste to keep releasing nearly the same game when they could focus those resources on something else.

Freakazoid20124259d ago

I'm not saying Nintendo doesnt milk Mario but they do have Zelda, Metroid, Donkey Kong, etc. TO pretend all the release is Mario and that they never release any other games is not only false but childish to pretend.

Ult iMate4259d ago

Agreed.

New Super Mario Bros 2
SMB U
Paper Mario 3DS
Mario Kart 3DS
Mario Land 3DS
Luigi's Mansion 3DS
Mario Tennis 3DS
Mario Party 9
Mario & Sonic 2012

And that's for the last year announced and released games of Mario franchise. If that's not milking, then what is it?

1upgamer994259d ago (Edited 4259d ago )

And let me ask you this...how many of them scored at least an 8/10 Oh and Lugi games are not MARIO..

Rrobba4258d ago (Edited 4258d ago )

But those are all either completely different games or at least on different consoles.

NSMB2 and NSMBU are similar but on different consoles. THey are 2D platformers. Paper Mario is more like an RPG. Mario Kart is an arcade racer. Mario Land is a 3D platformer. Luidi'g Mansion is like an adventure game, which features Luigi not Mario anyway. Mario tennis is a tennis game, Mario Party is a mini-game collection and Mario & Sonic is a sports game which IS NOT made by Nintendo, it's made by SEGA.

So, does Nintendo use the Mario CHARACTER a lot? Yes. But they do not milk any individual franchise. Have you ever seen more than 1 Mario Kart game on a single console? No. Same goes for New Super Mario Bros, and many others. Not to mention these games are mostly well rated anyway.

I do agree that they could add some new ideas to their classic games, but ONE game in each franchise per console is NOT milking.

Ult iMate4258d ago (Edited 4258d ago )

@1upgamer99
@Rrobba

Nevertheless that doesn't change the fact, that Nintendo is milking Mario franchise. The franchise doesn't have to consist of games of one genre. The Mario franchise is overmilked.

>>Lugi games are not MARIO..
Luigi is one of Mario brothers. His name is Luigi Mario. So his a Mario alright.

ChickenOfTheCaveMan4259d ago

Was there even a game where this guy was doing actual plumbing in those 200+ games?

Burning_Finger4259d ago

LMAO. It's Beyond milking. It's called "SUCKERS". lol

I stopped playing Mario right after SUPER MARIO WORLD.

linkratos4259d ago

Congrats on skipping Mario 64, Galaxy, and Galaxy 2. Only a real sucker would play some of the greatest games ever.

1upgamer994259d ago

Yeah Mario 64 only the FIRST true 3D platform game EVER...Gosh I guess Nintendo F ed up... and Mario Galaxy only scored a 10 out of 10....

TheRealHeisenberg4259d ago

A lot of major franchises are being "milked" so to speak. Is it really milking if it something that the fans want and end up enjoying?

LOL_WUT4258d ago

Yeah the problem with those games is that they get bashed for being the same thing, while Mario on the other hand gets a free pass. Whoever says that Mario is not being milked needs to pull their head out their a**.

linkratos4258d ago

I still don't understand how you think Mario gets a free pass?

slutface4259d ago

they milk it but they almost never change their formula. nintendo has to step it up with the originality cuz the competition is passing them by while they are still doing the same stale franchises.

from the beach4258d ago (Edited 4258d ago )

FIVE Little Big Planet games since the first one came out in 2008, all of them the same. And a kart racer..

DigitalRaptor4258d ago (Edited 4258d ago )

Yeah. All the same...

LBP - innovation defined.
LBP PSP - a port to strengthen PSP lineup. Decent.
LBP 2 - even more innovation.
LBP Vita - even more innovation, for a handheld.

Where's your fifth?

I wonder if you played them? Likely not.

from the beach4258d ago

The series isn't innovative, it's a flipping 2D platform game! The character doesn't even have so much as a signature move.

The PSP one was more of the same crap - although I'd hasten to add it's not a port of the PS3 game, as you'd know if you played it.

The rest is more of the same crap again and presumably will be again on Vita. I included the Move spin-off as another game, there's also all the DLC they've vomited out over the past four years.

'Crap defined'.

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Nintendo's Massacre Of The 3DS And Wii U Is Finally Complete, Regrettably

Hanzala from eXputer: "The cruel hammer of Nintendo has fallen. Farewell, 3DS and Wii U, you surely brightened my life and many others; you won't be forgotten."

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Xbox's Preservation Step Sets A Much-Needed Example, Especially For Nintendo

Hanzla from eXputer inquires: "If Xbox can care about preserving its games and legacy, what exactly is wrong with Nintendo, trying to kill game preservation single-handedly?"

purple1015d ago

Ahh yes the good old game preservation of saving all your games to a removable hhd on the Xbox 360, taking it round your mates house, setting up multiple tvs to
Be met with “save data corrupted, please re download”

Or how about removing 360 games
From the store
, download them now or else, and, better hope to god that save data doesn’t corrupt, or it’s lost for ever

Nice one ☝️

Zeref4d ago

It's better than what Nintendo and Playstation is doing. It might not be perfect but at least they are TRYING. Unlike the others.

DarXyde4d ago

Trying? Take off the blinders for a moment, mate.

1. A failure to preserve games is just that: a failure to preserve games. Don't try to sugarcoat it: NO ONE is doing it properly. Better than awful is nothing to write home about.

2. At the time of this comment, isn't it the case that you need an internet connection to play Xbox games even if you buy physical discs that are hardly in circulation anymore? I don't have a Series X and I can't verify, but I think that is correct. I'm fairly certain you can at least play PS5 games at version 1.0 (not much of a win really when many games require day one patches). I think Microsoft's all digital, licensing approach is by far more aggressive than anyone else's. They really try to push you to game pass where you lose your entire library by umm.... Skipping a month of payments.

I don't think anyone is doing it right whatsoever. Don't get me started on Nintendo, who goes after anyone looking to preserve their games better than they ever would with extreme litigation.

Don't be a simp for any of these companies. Get it together.

PhillyDonJawn4d ago (Edited 4d ago )

@DarX never speak on Xbox again. You lost all credibility with your internet connection comment. Smh you have 0 clue and misinformed yet speaking on something you don't no squat about.

Einhander19724d ago

What has Sony done exactly? You guys keep deflecting to Sony but I am not actually seeing any results, and ai am certain nothing that you can come up with even comes close to what Microsoft has done and what they have tried and failed to do, like tie all your disks to your account on xbone.

Microsoft removed their whole indie section when they moved to the xbone because they were going to only allow games on the service that came from a publisher, id@xbox started after xbone launched and it only exists because Sony embraced indie and Microsoft was forced to cancel their plans and reverse course.

And every single game that was part of games for windows live including disk games (I have gta 4 on disk that won't work) so hundreds of games that use that DRM no longer work unless the company themselves patched it out which of course very few did.

MrBaskerville4d ago

Not trying. Tried. they killed of the backcomp program years ago. They set something up again, but sounds like it's more of an attempt to save the current library on whatever they are planning next. With luck they save everything and more, but let's see. I could see them killing off parts of the OG xbox and 360 libraries. Can't imagine that they would allow us to play Forza 5-7 in the future.

With that said, I do like what they've done and really wish they could have done more.

shinoff21834d ago

Zeref

So killing off physical media is trying what exactly. Ms don't really give a fk if you think they do your kidding yourself.

Profchaos4d ago

They are not trying this team is established for forward compatability the team is. It interested in preserving Xbox or 360 games.

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isarai5d ago

Is that why Hellblade 2 is digital only?

Zeref4d ago

Just because it's digital only doesn't mean you can't preserve it. Just put it on an external and you have the exact same functionality of what a disc does.

MrNinosan4d ago

Guess you're trolling, but if you actually think that's how it works, I'd recommend buying some braincells.

mkis0073d ago (Edited 3d ago )

Volitile vs nonvolitile data. A disc will not corrupt either. A drive can be corrupted.

Einhander19725d ago

This is just a scammy PR move to distract from the fact they are going digital only and trying to push streaming and subscriptions only.

No gaming company has pushed harder to remove ownership than Microsoft.

Without discs there is no preservation, preservation can't be done by the rights holders it can only be done by the consumers, anything else is a lie.

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Einhander19724d ago

Anyone remember xblig which Microsoft removed their whole 360 indie section removing hundreds of games from people?

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Zeref4d ago

Do you know you can put your games on an external and preserve them that way? There are no benefits to discs. ZERO. Idk why some of you are still obsessed with them.

DarXyde4d ago

Because games like Persona 5 exist. It's STILL V1.00. On Playstation, that's a win because 1.00 is installed on the disc—no need to download anything.

If a game does not require any updates, it's all on the disc.

Extremely low bar in the modern era, of course. It's not much of a win by any stretch.

But for now, physical media does have a purpose, at least on Playstation.

Einhander19724d ago

That is factually not how game licensing works, try plugging your hard drive into someone else xbox, It's not going to work, and it won't work if the licensing servers ever go down.

Einhander19724d ago

Anyone remember games for windows live.

I have around a dozen games, some on Steam itself that will not work because Microsoft shut off the licensing servers.

BehindTheRows4d ago (Edited 4d ago )

I do. I STILL have games (Gears of War being the big one) I cannot access because Games for Windows LIVE is total garbage and no one has held Microsoft accountable.

Zeref4d ago (Edited 4d ago )

You don't have an Xbox apparently. Because you can 100 percent plug in your external and play games from it on any Xbox console lol. You just have to be logged in to prove ownership.

Chevalier4d ago

"You don't have an Xbox apparently. Because you can 100 percent plug in your external and play games from it on any Xbox console lol. You just have to be logged in to prove ownership."

Damn how many times do people got to explain your idiocy to you? You can take a copy of Persona 5 like someone used as an example and play that game on ANY console WITHOUT logging in which means I can lend the game to a friend without internet and they can play my game. Can you lend your hard drive to anyone without logging in for them to play? NOPE. That is a huge difference and if you think otherwise then sorry you're an idiot.

Tacoboto4d ago

"No gaming company has pushed harder to remove ownership than Microsoft."

Ubisoft is literally erasing games people bought from their libraries... My PS1-3 discs are useless on modern hardware. Nintendo's re-published and resold almost their entire Wii U library, and the eShop is completely dead with no BC mechanism in the Switch software. Microsoft publishes everything they make today day one on Steam and Xbox/Windows. Sony only brings to PC the titles they think you might want some years later and Nintendo won't even design a functional long-lasting joystick.

You're absolutely trolling and not serious if you think Microsoft today is the worst offender.

shinoff21834d ago

Yay steam

Not everyone fks with computers though. The disc is still the best way as a console player. Period.

Tacoboto3d ago

How do Sony and Nintendo feel about these discs from 2001-2013?

Don't be stupid, you know Xbox is the best at this today.

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Hofstaderman4d ago

Nobody wants this. Sales or the lack of it in the case of XBOX is very telling. I wonder how the adorably all digital series X will fare. Adorably dismal perhaps?

crazyCoconuts4d ago

Only time will tell, but for from someone like me suspecting that Xbox is trying to gracefully exit the console market, that "forward compatibility" team is trying to get Xbox games playing on Windows PCs. I mean, it's nice that they're not planning on exiting with a "enjoy your games while the hardware still works" message, so that's nice. They still have a brand to protect via Microsoft so probably feel obligated to have a better exit strategy.

Xeofate4d ago (Edited 4d ago )

That is not their plan, their plan is to transfer users accounts to the cloud.

Phil Spencer himself said as much a few months back, plans could have changed but I think people are reading way too much into one statement where Phil said he would allow Epic on xbox because he wants to be able to sell xbox games directly on other platforms. Aka, instead of selling Sea of Thives through PSN he wants to have an xbox store to sell his games on PlayStation without giving PlayStation any money.

Again, it's extremely unlikely that Phil plans to put PC on xbox and licensing would prevent them from just giving out other publishers games purchased on xbox copies of thier games on PC, Microsoft does not own their games.

crazyCoconuts3d ago

The thing that doesn't align with the cloud strategy is the giving up on exclusives. You'd still need strong exclusives for cloud streaming - it's still a "platform" , just with a lower upfront hardware investment. I feel like they've learned what PS learned with PSNow long ago. We're not ready to stream games and it's only gonna lose them money to try at this point

FinalFantasyFanatic3d ago

I would love that, I'd buy up some of the Xbox games if they could run on PC, like the Rare Replay, Lost Odyssey and Dead or Alive Ultimate, probably a pipe dream though.

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Nintendo's War Against Player-Made Content Will Hurt The Company In The End

Danish from eXputer: "Nintendo has historically gone against player-made content and emulation of its games. This has done much to harm the company's image."

XiNatsuDragnel11d ago

I agree nintendo hire some these folks to help in your games it'll help imo.

banger8810d ago

They need to stop announcing these mods and fan remakes until they're finished. Finish it, upload it, and then if Nintendo dmca's it tough shit. Once it's online, people can share it around, even if the original download gets taken down.

Jingsing10d ago

True, but most modders need constant admiration during the process to motivate them.

PRIMORDUS10d ago

Yup, once it's a torrent nothing can be done Nintendo is helpless at that point. But it would be wise if they just had a site on the dark web, it's also easy to use with Tor and no one will bother you.

mastershredder9d ago

This is all coming from the mouth of short-sighted fandom and grifting madness.
No.... it wont. There is a clear defined reason why they don't. This is nothing new. Make your own shi7 from your own original ideas especially if you are trying to capitalize of it it. Duh.

Yeah, hire people that have zero respect or understanding for an established process. Wow. Yep. Totally makes sense.

shinoff21839d ago

Those guys that made that sonic game got a gig from sega or something along those lines and that game was dope as hell. One of the best sonics as of late.