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Nintendo responds to Mario sequelitis criticism

Nintendo has responded to recent criticism that it has begun churning out Mario games at too frequent a pace.

Company president Satoru Iwata explained that the past logic of releasing one 2D Mario per Nintendo system would still continue - probably.

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majiebeast4259d ago (Edited 4259d ago )

3 mario games in less then a year is really milking it.

Capt-FuzzyPants4259d ago (Edited 4259d ago )

But you can't blame them. Mario games sell a lot. They make a ton of money off them. And anyway some of the games are different like the sports and Mario Party. I understand that they should really work on things besides Mario too, but when they're making so much money why would they.

Hisiru4259d ago (Edited 4259d ago )

@majiebeast
Portable Mario games:
-The last portable 2D mario game was launched in 2006 for the original DS. New Super Mario Bros. 2 is completely different from Mario 3D Land, so you can't even compare. New Super mario Bros 2 is not milk imo, it's a "sequel" to a 2006 DS game in a different platform.

-The last portable 3D Mario game was launched in 2004 (Mario 64 for the DS), so Mario 3D Land is also not a milk, it's the new 3D portable game after the 2004 release.

Now the consoles:
-The last console 2D Mario game was launched in 2009 (New Super Mario Bros. Wii), so New Super mario Bros U is going to launch 3 years after the last Mario 2D game on consoles.

How exactly is this milking? How is it different from what Sony (resistance 1, 2, 3 + PSP game/several others like Motorstorm) and Microsoft (Gears of War 1, 2, 3, spin off/Halo 3, Halo reach, Halo 4, Halo ODST) is doing?

The problem is not "milking" the problem is that NSMBU looks very similar to the other "New" Super Mario 2D games.

You guys really want to hate on Mario/Nintendo and say they are "milking" mario, but all the 3 companies are doing the same.

-Omega4259d ago (Edited 4259d ago )

@Hisiru

Your really comparing the amount of Mario games we get to other big franchises like COD, Assassin Creed and Halo

Despite being those types of franchises which seem to get milked a lot. COD coming out every year for example and Halo with how many we've had just on this gen they don't compare to how much Nintendo milk Mario.

As Mikecosgrove has said below if most other games this gen which are only up to their third game or sometimes just the second get points taken off while it comes to reviewing them because they "feel the same" or "add nothing new" then why should the same not be said about Mario.

No one is "hating" on Mario or Nintendo so lets not try and spin this whole thing, people are jus starting to realise that Mario is becoming milked, it's not just some random BS that people have came up with out of the blue it's a fact.

Where are the new IPs from Nintendo thats what we want or even as RmanX1000 has said below how about some new installmets of old franchises like a Starfox game or a one of F-Zero.

Hisiru4259d ago (Edited 4259d ago )

@-Omega
So youre using your personal opinion to describe what is "big"? Really? For me millions of others, a 2D/3D mario release IS big, it's still the most known character in the industry of gaming consoles.

"COD coming out every year for example and Halo with how many we've had just on this gen they don't compare to how much Nintendo milk Mario."

Really? COD is adding a lot of new and innovative features in every year, right? No. Halo had at least 4 new Halo games in the same console.

I am not saying New Super Mario Bros U looks innovative, the last really innovative Mario I played was Mario Galaxy 2, but still, even if it's not innovative, it doesn't mean it's "milk". People were complaining that there is too much Mario in a short period and I explained that we had the last 2D portable game was in 2006, the last 3D portable Mario was in 2004 and the last 2D console Mario was in 2009.

"people are jus starting to realise that Mario is becoming milked, it's not just some random BS that people have came up with out of the blue it's a fact."
Youre using what kind of standards? Your personal standards? It's baseless argument imo. As for quality, it's not up to you to decide for me (consumer), it's a personal opinion and even reviews can't tell me what is good and what is not good; as for sales it's still selling well; and as for date releases/short period I already showed you that last time we had one Mario game in each category was a long time ago.

"Where are the new IPs from Nintendo thats what we want or even as RmanX1000 has said below how about some new installmets of old franchises like a Starfox game or a one of F-Zero."

Iwata already confirmed they have both new IPs and traditional games to announce, we just need to wait for the WiiU conference before we talk about it.
http://nintendoeverything.c...
"Those include both our traditional franchises and of course new propositions as well"

@Freakazoid2012:
Exactly! As for "old IPs", they Released Donkey Kong Country Returns, Punch Out, Excite series, Pillotwings, Kid Icarus, Metroid Other M and many others. As I said above, Iwata already confirmed they will announce more traditional games and new IPs.

Freakazoid20124259d ago

@Omega, That's honestly not a valid point. You are saying it only applies to Mario because he has been around longer than AC or CoD? So its okay that COD comes out yearly because its only been out 15 years but its pathetic that we have 10 mario Platform games in 30 years? If those franchises were as old as Mario they'd have a ton more games out,not just 10.

Okay your comment on new IPs. Last Story, Pandoras tower, Disaster day of crisis, come to mind but I know there are more.

Old IPs like Star fox? You mean like DKC,Punchout or excite bike? Those are actually on Wii too. People only cry about Starfox because its like the only thing you have left to pull up that Nintendo hasnt already done a game for.
If they did make starfox,it would some how get missed kinda like how you missed all their new IP's and old IPs in your post.

ConstipatedGorilla4259d ago (Edited 4259d ago )

They sell a lot, but if they start over saturating, people will grow tired of it. How about a new IP, Nintendo? Please create a new franchise, I'm begging you!

Lol I got a disagree already... I guess we don't want any new franchises. I really hate this site.

BattleAxe4259d ago

"Nintendo responds to Mario sequelitis criticism" ......more like colonitis.

victoryscreeeeeech4258d ago

@ConstipatedGorilla xenoblade chronicles is a new IP, and it was critically acclaimed

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user54670074259d ago (Edited 4259d ago )

The problem is that they all play the same.

I mean they think that adding some new items for Mario to get makes it fresh and exciting.

Look at the jump between Super Mario 64 to Super Mario Sunshine then to Super Mario Galaxy...BIG Differences.

Hell the Wii U one just looks like New Super Mario Bros Wii but in HD. I know the whole defense to this is "Oh well as along as the game is good why should we care" because other franchises get marked down when it comes to reviewing them because of the games feeling the same as the last ones. Look at Uncharted 3 and Gears of War 3 last year in most reviews people said something along the lines of "Despite being a fantastic game, it feels like we've done all this before" then go on to give them both a lower score. We shouldn't give Mario a free pass, this has to stop

It bugs me because they could of done Luigis Manison 2 instead as a launch game for the Wii U but gave it a handheld release instead.

linkratos4259d ago (Edited 4259d ago )

In what world are the New Mario games not penalized? They receive much lower scores than the games you mentioned and the other classic Marios like World, 64, and Galaxy. Tons of reviews harp on about how nothing has changed much.

victoryscreeeeeech4258d ago (Edited 4258d ago )

U shouldnt compare mario 64 and sunshine to galaxy, cuz one came out in '96, then '02, then '07, by those years people want more 3d Mario, i want more 3d mario now, they are good games, i cant tell if ur being sarcastic on the 3d mario tho. i dunno about the new super mario bros 2d side scroller cuz ur right it is just an HD edition, and reviews on that game for the 3ds are essentially, "its the esame game, but its still good' similar to gears and uncharted. sorry fo grammar, reply if im wrong, i would like to know why

ronin4life4259d ago (Edited 4259d ago )

This. I am a little annoyed by this as well...

But what is funny is during the GC era, all anyone would say is "WHAT THE #$%$# IS THIS CRAP?? I WANT MARIO, NOT LUIGI'S MANSION OR ANIMAL CROSING FMWJFNWFJNJB"... and once Mario Sunshine came out, it changed to "...WHAT. This Isn't Mario!! GIVE ME MAH MARIO!!!!"...

Funny how quickly things can change...>.<;;

from the beach4259d ago

Hope Eurogamer checked this one for misquotes.

r214259d ago

Your avatar perfectly fits your comment XD

RmanX10004259d ago

There arent too many, but their "wow" or nostalgic factor of the NSMB series stopped after the NSMB Wii. We seriously need a new StarFox and/or F-Zero

TheLyonKing4259d ago

They do milk Mario but he still sells. Nintendo can probably to continue to squeeze some more money out there cash cows for a few more years if they keep things fresh.

NyGiants74259d ago

Sony and MS do the same exact thing w/ there franchises. Halo, Resistance, Gears, COD, GOW, etc

TheLyonKing4258d ago

Yeah but when you look at the years mario has spanned I think they might have milked mario a bit longer than those franchises.

allyc4t4259d ago

I must be the only one enjoying NSMB2...

omarzy4259d ago

I'm loving it as well. Even if it did not add a whole bunch, it is still just as high quality as the ds one which is very good.

triplev164259d ago

I'll be picking it up soon, glad to hear people are enjoying it.

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Nintendo's Massacre Of The 3DS And Wii U Is Finally Complete, Regrettably

Hanzala from eXputer: "The cruel hammer of Nintendo has fallen. Farewell, 3DS and Wii U, you surely brightened my life and many others; you won't be forgotten."

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Xbox's Preservation Step Sets A Much-Needed Example, Especially For Nintendo

Hanzla from eXputer inquires: "If Xbox can care about preserving its games and legacy, what exactly is wrong with Nintendo, trying to kill game preservation single-handedly?"

purple1015d ago

Ahh yes the good old game preservation of saving all your games to a removable hhd on the Xbox 360, taking it round your mates house, setting up multiple tvs to
Be met with “save data corrupted, please re download”

Or how about removing 360 games
From the store
, download them now or else, and, better hope to god that save data doesn’t corrupt, or it’s lost for ever

Nice one ☝️

Zeref4d ago

It's better than what Nintendo and Playstation is doing. It might not be perfect but at least they are TRYING. Unlike the others.

DarXyde4d ago

Trying? Take off the blinders for a moment, mate.

1. A failure to preserve games is just that: a failure to preserve games. Don't try to sugarcoat it: NO ONE is doing it properly. Better than awful is nothing to write home about.

2. At the time of this comment, isn't it the case that you need an internet connection to play Xbox games even if you buy physical discs that are hardly in circulation anymore? I don't have a Series X and I can't verify, but I think that is correct. I'm fairly certain you can at least play PS5 games at version 1.0 (not much of a win really when many games require day one patches). I think Microsoft's all digital, licensing approach is by far more aggressive than anyone else's. They really try to push you to game pass where you lose your entire library by umm.... Skipping a month of payments.

I don't think anyone is doing it right whatsoever. Don't get me started on Nintendo, who goes after anyone looking to preserve their games better than they ever would with extreme litigation.

Don't be a simp for any of these companies. Get it together.

PhillyDonJawn4d ago (Edited 4d ago )

@DarX never speak on Xbox again. You lost all credibility with your internet connection comment. Smh you have 0 clue and misinformed yet speaking on something you don't no squat about.

Einhander19724d ago

What has Sony done exactly? You guys keep deflecting to Sony but I am not actually seeing any results, and ai am certain nothing that you can come up with even comes close to what Microsoft has done and what they have tried and failed to do, like tie all your disks to your account on xbone.

Microsoft removed their whole indie section when they moved to the xbone because they were going to only allow games on the service that came from a publisher, id@xbox started after xbone launched and it only exists because Sony embraced indie and Microsoft was forced to cancel their plans and reverse course.

And every single game that was part of games for windows live including disk games (I have gta 4 on disk that won't work) so hundreds of games that use that DRM no longer work unless the company themselves patched it out which of course very few did.

MrBaskerville4d ago

Not trying. Tried. they killed of the backcomp program years ago. They set something up again, but sounds like it's more of an attempt to save the current library on whatever they are planning next. With luck they save everything and more, but let's see. I could see them killing off parts of the OG xbox and 360 libraries. Can't imagine that they would allow us to play Forza 5-7 in the future.

With that said, I do like what they've done and really wish they could have done more.

shinoff21834d ago

Zeref

So killing off physical media is trying what exactly. Ms don't really give a fk if you think they do your kidding yourself.

Profchaos4d ago

They are not trying this team is established for forward compatability the team is. It interested in preserving Xbox or 360 games.

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isarai5d ago

Is that why Hellblade 2 is digital only?

Zeref4d ago

Just because it's digital only doesn't mean you can't preserve it. Just put it on an external and you have the exact same functionality of what a disc does.

MrNinosan4d ago

Guess you're trolling, but if you actually think that's how it works, I'd recommend buying some braincells.

mkis0073d ago (Edited 3d ago )

Volitile vs nonvolitile data. A disc will not corrupt either. A drive can be corrupted.

Einhander19725d ago

This is just a scammy PR move to distract from the fact they are going digital only and trying to push streaming and subscriptions only.

No gaming company has pushed harder to remove ownership than Microsoft.

Without discs there is no preservation, preservation can't be done by the rights holders it can only be done by the consumers, anything else is a lie.

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Einhander19724d ago

Anyone remember xblig which Microsoft removed their whole 360 indie section removing hundreds of games from people?

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Zeref4d ago

Do you know you can put your games on an external and preserve them that way? There are no benefits to discs. ZERO. Idk why some of you are still obsessed with them.

DarXyde4d ago

Because games like Persona 5 exist. It's STILL V1.00. On Playstation, that's a win because 1.00 is installed on the disc—no need to download anything.

If a game does not require any updates, it's all on the disc.

Extremely low bar in the modern era, of course. It's not much of a win by any stretch.

But for now, physical media does have a purpose, at least on Playstation.

Einhander19724d ago

That is factually not how game licensing works, try plugging your hard drive into someone else xbox, It's not going to work, and it won't work if the licensing servers ever go down.

Einhander19724d ago

Anyone remember games for windows live.

I have around a dozen games, some on Steam itself that will not work because Microsoft shut off the licensing servers.

BehindTheRows4d ago (Edited 4d ago )

I do. I STILL have games (Gears of War being the big one) I cannot access because Games for Windows LIVE is total garbage and no one has held Microsoft accountable.

Zeref4d ago (Edited 4d ago )

You don't have an Xbox apparently. Because you can 100 percent plug in your external and play games from it on any Xbox console lol. You just have to be logged in to prove ownership.

Chevalier4d ago

"You don't have an Xbox apparently. Because you can 100 percent plug in your external and play games from it on any Xbox console lol. You just have to be logged in to prove ownership."

Damn how many times do people got to explain your idiocy to you? You can take a copy of Persona 5 like someone used as an example and play that game on ANY console WITHOUT logging in which means I can lend the game to a friend without internet and they can play my game. Can you lend your hard drive to anyone without logging in for them to play? NOPE. That is a huge difference and if you think otherwise then sorry you're an idiot.

Tacoboto4d ago

"No gaming company has pushed harder to remove ownership than Microsoft."

Ubisoft is literally erasing games people bought from their libraries... My PS1-3 discs are useless on modern hardware. Nintendo's re-published and resold almost their entire Wii U library, and the eShop is completely dead with no BC mechanism in the Switch software. Microsoft publishes everything they make today day one on Steam and Xbox/Windows. Sony only brings to PC the titles they think you might want some years later and Nintendo won't even design a functional long-lasting joystick.

You're absolutely trolling and not serious if you think Microsoft today is the worst offender.

shinoff21834d ago

Yay steam

Not everyone fks with computers though. The disc is still the best way as a console player. Period.

Tacoboto3d ago

How do Sony and Nintendo feel about these discs from 2001-2013?

Don't be stupid, you know Xbox is the best at this today.

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Hofstaderman4d ago

Nobody wants this. Sales or the lack of it in the case of XBOX is very telling. I wonder how the adorably all digital series X will fare. Adorably dismal perhaps?

crazyCoconuts4d ago

Only time will tell, but for from someone like me suspecting that Xbox is trying to gracefully exit the console market, that "forward compatibility" team is trying to get Xbox games playing on Windows PCs. I mean, it's nice that they're not planning on exiting with a "enjoy your games while the hardware still works" message, so that's nice. They still have a brand to protect via Microsoft so probably feel obligated to have a better exit strategy.

Xeofate4d ago (Edited 4d ago )

That is not their plan, their plan is to transfer users accounts to the cloud.

Phil Spencer himself said as much a few months back, plans could have changed but I think people are reading way too much into one statement where Phil said he would allow Epic on xbox because he wants to be able to sell xbox games directly on other platforms. Aka, instead of selling Sea of Thives through PSN he wants to have an xbox store to sell his games on PlayStation without giving PlayStation any money.

Again, it's extremely unlikely that Phil plans to put PC on xbox and licensing would prevent them from just giving out other publishers games purchased on xbox copies of thier games on PC, Microsoft does not own their games.

crazyCoconuts3d ago

The thing that doesn't align with the cloud strategy is the giving up on exclusives. You'd still need strong exclusives for cloud streaming - it's still a "platform" , just with a lower upfront hardware investment. I feel like they've learned what PS learned with PSNow long ago. We're not ready to stream games and it's only gonna lose them money to try at this point

FinalFantasyFanatic3d ago

I would love that, I'd buy up some of the Xbox games if they could run on PC, like the Rare Replay, Lost Odyssey and Dead or Alive Ultimate, probably a pipe dream though.

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Nintendo's War Against Player-Made Content Will Hurt The Company In The End

Danish from eXputer: "Nintendo has historically gone against player-made content and emulation of its games. This has done much to harm the company's image."

XiNatsuDragnel11d ago

I agree nintendo hire some these folks to help in your games it'll help imo.

banger8810d ago

They need to stop announcing these mods and fan remakes until they're finished. Finish it, upload it, and then if Nintendo dmca's it tough shit. Once it's online, people can share it around, even if the original download gets taken down.

Jingsing10d ago

True, but most modders need constant admiration during the process to motivate them.

PRIMORDUS10d ago

Yup, once it's a torrent nothing can be done Nintendo is helpless at that point. But it would be wise if they just had a site on the dark web, it's also easy to use with Tor and no one will bother you.

mastershredder9d ago

This is all coming from the mouth of short-sighted fandom and grifting madness.
No.... it wont. There is a clear defined reason why they don't. This is nothing new. Make your own shi7 from your own original ideas especially if you are trying to capitalize of it it. Duh.

Yeah, hire people that have zero respect or understanding for an established process. Wow. Yep. Totally makes sense.

shinoff21839d ago

Those guys that made that sonic game got a gig from sega or something along those lines and that game was dope as hell. One of the best sonics as of late.