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Clouded vision: what Sony will do with Gaikai

VG247: Rob Fahey makes sense of Sony’s Gaikai buy. Streaming is only part of PlayStation’s future, but it’s going to be a vital one which leverages an enviable back catalogue across multiple devices. Question is, who’s going to buy OnLive?

RAM-354308d ago (Edited 4308d ago )

Clouded vision: what Sony will do with Gaikai?

use it?

GribbleGrunger4308d ago

lol. I've been talking about this on another forum and the only feedback I get is: 'the internet isn't fast enough yet'. It's almost as if they don't understand that Sony just bought Gaikai for that very reason.

'let's buy Gaikai!'
'It won't work!'
'Buy it anyway.'

ChronoJoe4308d ago (Edited 4308d ago )

Well it's true. Gaigai's application is limited and there's no physical way it can provide a better experience than playing the game locally simply because data transfer isn't virtually instantaneous as it is across your your motherboard on a PS3.

There are some games that cloud gaming can simply never benefit from. Like SSFIV for instance, are games like this to be left behind? or will Gaikai's application be very limited and selective?

I doubt I'll end up using it anyway. Cloud distribution is nice for movies, services... etc, the stuff that doesn't demand an instantaneous response, but for games when local games are always going to be better I'll stick to buying my games to play locally.

The application I see is for people who can't afford the hardware to run these games locally... with cloud gaming for instance, PS4 games could even be playable on PS3s. That'd amp up the potential distribution of their next consoles launch games, if everyone with a PS3 could already play them. After all you have to remember they don't usually make much money selling their hardware.

Amazingmrbrock4308d ago

I could almost see sony morphing gaikai to allow video and music streaming as well. They've been trying to push their music unlimited thing for some time now but without much success.

They will definitely keep it doing games but since they also sit on a massive publishing catalog of music and movies its almost silly to not put those out streaming as well.

BattleAxe4308d ago

Its possible that the next service that Sony will buy is Netflix. This was a rumor that was started about a year ago.

princejb1344308d ago

people gotta stop saying the internet isn't fast enough
are you sony?
are you a game developer?
do you do networking?

if you answered no to all of these, let sony do their thing, they know what their doing
if they believe they can pull it off they probably can

thank you

SilentNegotiator4308d ago

Sony has lost it. They just sunk $380M into technology that isn't ready when they're losing more and more every year.

Furthermore, Onlive proved that people don't want to pay for server use....same game prices minus expensive server costs and the customer gets less quality (compressed video, less response)....not exactly a very sound business model.

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ChronoJoe4308d ago

Yes but in what way? Replace retail releases with cloud ones? alternative method of distribution? means of supporting an otherwise incompatible back catalog?

sllshrm4308d ago

I don't think they'll deviate from Game Demos for now

ATi_Elite4308d ago

Gaikai is a good service and works better than onlive. With advancements in technology Gaikai will improve.

Onlive uses different Tech and it sucks! End of story!

Sony could use Gaikai to stream all it's Old games, music, and movies! This should make SOny some well needed ca$h!

also this could help the PS4 be cheaper by not worrying about backwards compatibility. This is a good move by Sony as Sony's video game division is pretty profitable.

The Tsunami, Earthquake, Radiation, and Riot in England really put a hurting on Sony's cash flow along with the recession and dismal sales of TV's!

Sony's Picture division should be profitable this year. Last year they spent Billions making movies that will release this Summer!

Spiderman, Resident Evil, Total Recall, and Skyfall will all get my money! (well maybe not Spiderman)!

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ElitaStorm4308d ago

maybe not Spiderman?

are you kiding? Do you know how many kids wanna see spiderman?

we Will see about that tomorrow.

joab7774307d ago

How will Jack Trenton mesh with Perry. One is truthful and the other wants to tell you that gaikai will be the greatest gaming device in history, able to stream pc Battlefield graphics on the ps3 tomorrow. It'll b fun to watch but maybe Sony's purchase is an insight in to their next Gen perspective. It will be interesting to c exactly what they will do with a pc browser streaming game company. At least they are out in front of something. It's good news. I wanted them to team up with valve, but it's too much to ask.

chukamachine4307d ago

Cut it up, put it in a sandwich and feed me.

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ApocalypseShadow4308d ago

if gamers have been watching closely,KEN KUTARAGI(yes,that guy!) has been working on cloud based computing up into December 2011.that's six months ago.the questions you have to ask yourselves is

what was he working on that was so "totally cool" that dealt with cloud computing?
http://www.google.com/url?s...

was gakai a better alternative or a grab at patents?

sony has so much content from movies,tv shows,music and games,that they would have an advantage over others.apple,microsoft,etc,don 't OWN content like sony.they just deliver content to you at a PRICE by making deals.which includes sony.

but what if sony delivered that content exclusively to every device that's capable?

not saying i like cloud,but it is convenient.netflix,amazon,hulu ,pandora,etc are convenient.if sony makes it easy for you to get it,and puts it everywhere,the money will rake in.it's why microsoft is gunning to create it's own offering of content on xbox.they know sony is working on it.it's why they LEAKED that document.stop you from thinking about last of us and beyond...or just sony in general.as halo 4 has created no hype.

but as we already know,sony will still offer bluray for those that don't have great internet.but for sony,it's easy money,no piracy and cheap hardware as ps3,ps vita are capable of doing it just like ps4.and every other capable device.if gakai can work in a web browser,it will work on anything.and with nvidia's grid.....

things just got INTERESTING.....

GribbleGrunger4308d ago (Edited 4308d ago )

truly exciting times ahead! yes, people keep talking in terms of absolutes. they want to assume it's a 'replacement' so they can shoe horn in their claims of slow internet connections.

but the truth is that people with good internet connections will use it and those without a good connection or no connection at all will still buy the retail copy.

LOL_WUT4308d ago

@ Gribble +1

Thanks for making things more clearer. I was under the impression that Sony would go the streaming route only, but if they have both then it's a big win.

JBSleek4308d ago

I wonder what Sony will do with this. Do they have the ecosystem for this to be a success, I don't really follow Sony closely anymore.

If executed well this could be game changing in a sense but a hardware company pulling off a software driven ecosystem is going to be rocky.

I use Onlive on my Mac and it works fine so peoples fear on log and other concerns should be somewhat smoove if you have broadband internet.

Also, does Microsoft buy Onlive now? Hmmm this is going to be good.

NewsForSnowflakes4308d ago

I don't think Microsoft will acquire Onlive as it's 'gaming' related.

JBSleek4308d ago

What does that even mean?

stage884308d ago

@JBSleek Are you new to gaming?

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NewsForSnowflakes4308d ago

When we said we wanted 'Cloud' on PS3 we meant a FFVII remake.

But this is close enough.

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Sony Taps Bungie's Head of Revenue to Lead Live-Service Games

Sony has recruited Bungie's head of revenue Jaremy Rich to head up its live-service gaming division, Rich has announced on social media.

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ChasterMies14d ago

Please do not put Destiny’s monetization into Sony’s first party games. The monetization is what’s driving players away from Destiny.

just_looken14d ago

The new temp boss is the sony cfo bean counter so i can see this being a thing get every penny.

Cacabunga14d ago

PlayStation officially losing it.. fans will never support gaas games

just_looken14d ago

@car

The new boss did a interview in japan he wants to tap into the mobile market like nintendio so he give 0 fucks about gamers/fans

https://www.pushsquare.com/...

Redemption-6414d ago

@Cacabunga
You only speak for you and those who think like you, but most fans will support what they want. Playstation and PC fans are literally supporting Helldivers 2 and that is a gaas. Maybe you wouldn't, but many more would if they like it.

Huey_My_D_Long13d ago

@Redemption-64
Look, Im not making any judgement calls about this guy, but I will say that Helldivers 2 GaaS model is unique to Helldivers, and legit the only other game I can think of thats similiar was the Avengers game except HD2 pass is still better.
The fact that you can earn in game currency in a way that doesnt make you feel like you have to grind forever, as well you being able work on that pass that you bought...on your own time without a time limit...that right there is fucking huge to me, and I can't name any game other than avengers that avoided trapping players with FOMO logic...I think GaaS on HD2 shouldn't be compared to the rest of the industry...it should be copied.

Einhander197213d ago

Cacabunga

Helldivers 2...

Redemption-64

In Europe it's a 60 40 split favoring PC.
In the US its a 60 40 split favoring PS5.

So PlayStation owners supported the game just fine, it's not getting carried by PC or anything like that.

FinalFantasyFanatic13d ago

@just_looken,
I'm perfectly fine with the way Nintendo entered the mobile market, I never touched their mobile games, meanwhile, the console/handheld stayed the way it is. As for being a bean counter, he's probably going to reel in these massive budgets that Sony's studios have had lately, I haven't played Spiderman 2, but I cannot see how they almost tripled the budget for that game.

@Redemption-64,
That's an exception to the rule, I'm expecting a lot of these GAAS games from Sony to fail, to be fair, they only need a few to succeed, but I would have preferred that they put more of their resources into other types of games.

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DivineHand12514d ago

True their monetization is driving players away and at the same time, their decision to chop out content and convoluted systems is keeping new players away from the game.

Joe91314d ago

I don't think that will happen based on how things worked out at Naughty Dog now that we know what we do, seems they had the option to fully commit to live service games or stay making single player experences so they gave up on their live service game. We are not sure how things came about with Bend making a live service game but I hope that was not a forced situation. Sony doesnt seem like they are forcing studios to switch up but we will see, Sony's bread and butter is single player games it is how they dominated the console market.

Obscure_Observer14d ago

Yeah, I though Sony learned something from all their failures in the LS segment under Bungie´s disastrous leadership and supervision which led to games been cancelled, studios closed and all the people laid off.

Looks like Bungie still plays a major role in Sony´s LS initiative and Sony is not backtracking on their GaaS plans.

S2Killinit14d ago (Edited 14d ago )

Are we forgetting that Destiny is also a highly successful franchise? I feel like that definitely deserves mention here.

Besides, there is no reason why a person cant learn from past experiences.

Joe91313d ago

I agree, people act as if Destiny flopped when it came out lol it took 9 to 10 years for the numbers to fall yet people are still playing it add the success of Helldivers 2 no wonder Sony is going forward down this path.

S2Killinit13d ago

Personally, I see no problem with Sony also having service games as long as they make good ones, and more importantly they deliver the AAA story driven games that they are known for. So yeah, I agree 100% with you.

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Christopher14d ago

I mean, this person made some pretty bad decisions at Bungie. I hope they've learned from them because I definitely don't see those type of ideas as good for PlaySation in general.

CrimsonWing6913d ago (Edited 13d ago )

Honestly, what’s to learn from? How to make people happily continuously dump money into a single game over its life-time? Buy season passes continuously for several years with a smile on our faces?

GaaS is a design decision that is everything wrong with this industry. The fact that Helldivers 2 did so well and people defend the monetization because it was $40 and is a fun game, scares the sh*t out of me to see that the door is open and all shift will probably be to replicate that in future games. We already know the ROI for traditional game dev cost isn’t doing it for them.

I thought with Jimbo leaving we’d see a change for the better… I’m not so sure now.

S2Killinit13d ago

Service games are being offered by everyone. Sony cannot afford to only create single player AAA games. No one can. They already said they will be doing both.

Abnor_Mal14d ago (Edited 14d ago )

Ps5 gamers in 2023 seemed to play more live service types of games, so regardless to how people feel about them, numbers don’t lie and Sony is going where the money is. I mean look at the excitement around Helldivers2, people are showing that they want live service games.

Christopher14d ago

They play long-time existing live service games like CoD, Fortnite, Apex Legends, Destiny 2, and the like. Mass majority of new live service games are considered failures and aren't moving gamers away from older games.

just_looken14d ago

Yep the huge issue with live service is they need paid players along with a reason to play them.

You forgot mobile market that also taps into that player base as well as the eve online style games there is only a certain amount of krakens/whales blind supporters compared to the amount of live service games we have its not sustainable math wise.

700 restaurants making food for every seat for 1000-3000 eaters just does not work out

Einhander197213d ago (Edited 13d ago )

Christopher

I am not a big live service fan and literally own zero of the games you listed, but that is not true, unless you call games that aren't the top games to be failures.

There are tons of live service games that are profitable.

Games don't have to be the biggest game ever they just need to make more than they cost.

I challenge you to show professionally prepared data that shows that more live service games fail than make enough to keep going.

Because all the data that I have seen shows that live service is less of a gamble than making a big AAA budget game which needs to survive off retail sales.

FinalFantasyFanatic13d ago

I sometimes wonder if we're at saturation point, where it's hard for a new game to join those ranks unless it's particularly exceptional, people only have so much time and money to devote to these types of games.

romulus2314d ago

Correction, they have no issue playing good live service games

shinoff218313d ago

Lol it's not even a quarter of the ps5s sold. Helldivers may have been a hit but let's not say most are enjoying it because truth is most(the real most ) don't care about it.

S2Killinit13d ago (Edited 13d ago )

I play what is fun. If a live service game is good I’ll play it as long as its not a money scheme which Helldivers is not.

And Im a single player gamer.

mastershredder14d ago

How do you kill a franchise that already been killed?
Destiny’s grind, cash-in-on-playbass-cha-Ching, and pop-culture-insertion mainstream-me-too bs totally killed any rep Bungie had. Sony/Bungie, if you are doing this to ward-off players, it’s already working.

crazyCoconuts14d ago

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"... off a cliff"

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Sony May Soon Let You Decide How Much NPCs Talk In Games

Sony has patented to add multiple dialogue modes to let players switch between how many conversations with NPCs they want in the game.

blackblades20d ago

Sony is like the only ones outta the 3 that has atuff like like this pop up changing thing in ways.

just_looken20d ago

Sony in the past has always been first at bat with new ideas/tech but in the end never fully use it or just toss it away.

blackblades20d ago

I think they did use some but yeah most usually never happened but at least they thought about it. Sony seeks things like this and other, Nintendo seek different ways of playing going by there different controler designs and console designs.

just_looken20d ago (Edited 20d ago )

some of the other stuff sony want's/owns never used
https://gamerant.com/sony-p...
https://gamerant.com/sony-p...
https://www.eurogamer.net/s...
https://metro.co.uk/2023/03...
https://decrypt.co/114754/s...

monitor/adjust game difficultly as you play
https://www.techradar.com/g...

Sony nfts
https://www.theblock.co/pos...

Pay ai to play the game for you
https://thebusinessofesport...

Oh all the above last 12 months

I just imagine a evil scientist with test subjects when it comes down to sony recent patent reports.

Kaii20d ago

Will we get dialogue options that won't spoil puzzles in a matter of seconds? :p

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Judge rules in PlayStation's favour in $500m patent infringement lawsuit

Genuine Enabling Technology was seeking damages, claiming the tech allowing PlayStation consoles and controllers to communicate infringes its rights.

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S2Killinit21d ago

Big victory for Sony. And a long time coming.

DarXyde21d ago (Edited 21d ago )

Crazy to think the savings from this lawsuit allows them to develop one AAA game.

Make it Bloodborne 2, please and thank you.

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Profchaos21d ago

Sounds like patent trolling they tried the same thing against Nintendo with the same pattern.

Motion and control input traversing over higher and lower frequencies seperate from each other allowing the controller to do both

Pyrofire9521d ago

Patents suck. Most of them are complete garbage.

Knightofelemia21d ago

So to recoup the money Genuine is going to take on Nintendo or Microsoft next. I hate patent lawyers they are some of the worst bottom feeders out there.

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