Ah, the question that has been debated so many times since Uncharted first caught our attention when Naughty Dog announced it back in E3 2006. A “Tomb Raider clone” they called it, a “rip off” they stated but it wasn’t until the game first released in 2007 that gamers finally understood just how different Uncharted was compared to the PS1 classic Tomb Raider.
Unfortunately most gamers today still feel the need to state that Uncharted copied Tomb Raider, are they right and is Uncharted just a Tomb Raider clone. You want to know what my answer is, NO, that’s right a big fat NO.
Let me explain
The reason I’ve wrote this blog is because it’s become apparent while browsing through the web, reading comments off forums and YouTube while watching the brand new Crossroads trailer, that people still think that Uncharted is just a clone of Tomb Raider and Uncharted copied Tomb Raider right down to the last detail.
As a fan of both I want to explain why I think that the Tomb Raider games was the last place Naughty Dog looked for inspiration and for that I need you to remember the cult classic Steven Spielberg film Raiders of the lost Ark which was released in 1981, it starred the brilliant, brave, heroic explorer Indiana Jones who went looking for the Ark of the Covenant. Indiana Jones is basically the Nathan Drake of films and it’s obvious that Naughty Dog would of looked here first to this genre of films as inspiration for Uncharted rather then look at something like Tomb Raider first. I mean it was their goal right, to create a cinematic story based game it makes perfect sense they would look at these sort of films first
The thing which strikes me the most about the “They copied that” argument is that Uncharteds gameplay has always been about rolling behind cover, grabbing your AK and picking off wave after wave of enemies as you try to make it to your current objective, bringing you one step closer to an artistic cinematic cut scene which will tie the story together smoothly. In Tomb Raider however there was none of that, not even in the newer ones like Legend or Underworld. When playing Tomb Raider I never once thought of it as a game where I rolled behind cover, fight off wave after wave of enemies and then watch gripping cinematic cutscenes while watching the story and characters develop deeper in front of my eyes. If anything Tomb Raider was more about its puzzle solving then fighting off a huge amount of enemies. With Tomb Raider the enemies mostly came after Lara, like a walk predator stalking it's prey for example or to put it simply they were just in her way unlike Nathan Drake however who went out looking for trouble and pissing off the wrong type of people just so he could get to the treasure first. While Lara was the think first shoot later, Nathan Drake was the total opposite and often faced the harsh consequences of his actions after, a train rolling off a cliff after blowing it to pieces while still on board, by having a shootout on a plane, watching it's self explode and then break in two or how about throwing a grenade at the bottom of a cruise liner, like that was going to work out well, you get the point
It’s a shame people these days still think of Uncharted as a clone of Tomb Raider or even think that Uncharted would have never “existed” without Tomb Raider. Platforming was the main feature of Tomb Raider and Uncharted but platforming didn’t start with Lara Croft, the genre had been around for years going back to the Mario games. It’s pretty obvious that Uncharted or a game like Uncharted would have found its way into development with the right studio without the help of Lara Croft.
With this long debate I feel like it’s more to do because the two main characters are treasure hunters and because of the platforming genre even though the two games have many other features which would separate them by a lot, but most gamers ignore them and go straight to the obvious, "bu bu but there both treasure hunters".
If theres anything Uncharted has told us it's the fact that Uncharted is the game Tomb Raider should have evolved into back when Tomb Raider Legends came out but unfortunately that didn’t happen.
It’s obvious now that the developers of the brand new Tomb Raider which is ready to hit our stores next year would look to a game like Uncharted as inspiration. Do I think that Uncharted didn’t take any inspiration from Tomb Raider at all, of course not, it was obviously a game Naughty Dog looked into at some point but because they had already done platform games I highly doubt it would of been their main source of inspiration and the game would of been made with or without Tomb Raider. As I’ve said previously in this discussion I think that Naughty Dog looked more into films then games because of the cinematic story telling the Uncharted games presents us with.
If you take a stroll around the web these are some of the comments I’m referring to
"If it wasn't for Tomb Raider, Uncharted would have never existed"
"Uncharted pretty much owes everything to Tomb Raider"
"Uncharted" WAYYYYY before Uncharted was even thought of. There are some stupidly ignorant people in this forum..."
"Anyone who calls themselves a gamer and denies an ounce of influence of Tomb Raider in Uncharted is lying themselves"
"Looks like Tomb Raider copied from a game that copied from Tomb Raider"
"Narrative had been a focus on Tomb Raider since before Uncharted existed, action, set pieces even cinematic storytelling" (LOL I know)
This in my opinion seems a bit “fan-girlish”. These types of comments and thinking probably has more to do with nostalgia if anything else but not by logical thinking. Just straight to the "Tomb Raider did it first because there kind of similar"
Although there is another side of this whole thing which interests me the most
If you look closely at the way some of these comments are said you might start to see that most of them are said because of Tomb Raider being a multiplatform game now and the fact Microsoft dosen't have a game to rival Uncharted this gen. What I'm trying to say is most of the time this debate seems to be leaning more towards a fan boy "Xbox 360 vs. PS3" debate rather than the current debate we are already talking about.
In conclusion I would like to say I have high hopes for the new Tomb Raider and I hope the game does well as it's shaping up to be an excelent game, especialy untill Uncharted 4 comes out next gen. I do hope though in the future people will think about this debate logically then just basing their opinions off the obvious, nostalgia or other peoples opinions when thinking that Uncharted is just some clone of Tomb Raider.
I just like to point out that this is just my opinion; you will probably have yours which you'll share in the comments below :)
The friendly folks over at Razer recently sent us their full size Kishi Ultra mobile gaming controller, and this thing didn't disappoint.
VGChartz's Mark Nielsen: "Upon finally finishing Devil May Cry 5 recently - after it spent several years on my “I’ll play that soon” list - I considered giving it a fittingly-named Late Look article. However, considering that this was indeed the final piece I was missing in the DMC puzzle, I decided to instead take this opportunity to take a look back at the entirety of this genre-defining series and rank the entries. What also made this a particularly tempting notion was that while most high-profile series have developed fairly evenly over time, with a few bumps on the road, the history of Devil May Cry has, at least in my eyes, been an absolute roller coaster, with everything from total disasters to action game gold."
Me leaving it out should be telling of my thoughts on it. Better than 2 as a DMC game.
Still a good game though.
3,1,4,5 to me, never played 2. 5 gameplay is amazing but level design was really disappointing to me, just a bunch of plain arenas, the story felt like a worse written rehash of the 3rd and the charater models looked weird ( specially the ladies ). Another problem with 5 was that there was not enough content for 3 charaters so I could never really familiarize with any of them
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God DMC2 was an awful game.
And in case this isn't obvious it goes worst to best
Order changes depending on your focus. I tend to focus on gameplay/fun factor, so...
5, 3, 1, 4, 2.
I really didn't like 4 but commend Dante's weapon diversity. The retreading of old ground was pretty unacceptable to me.
But even then... Still more enjoyable than 2 for me
TSA go hands on with the beta for Inazuma Eleven: Victory Road, but how is the game transitioning to the post-stylus era?
While my opinion will seem biased as I am a huge Tomb Raider fan, I do need to point out some things about your blog that are just wrong, and I'll apologize for my bluntness in advance.
Saying that Uncharted didn't copy or take anything from Tomb Raider is rubbish. Uncharted took inspiration from Tomb Raider as Tomb Raider took inspiration from Indiana Jones. Your piece acknowledging that Uncharted took inspiration from Indiana Jones and denying that it took any from Tomb Raider is even more rubbish.
Uncharted probably wouldn't have existed without Tomb Raider. Why? Well naturally, if that was the case, why did Naughty Dog take so long? They, like everyone else, noticed the Tomb Raider games were in decline and strategically waited for the falling point where they could pop out and say, "Hey! Forget Lara Croft, check out Nathan Drake over here!" I'm not saying there's anything wrong with that, because Uncharted did a LOT of things right, especially when compared to the last couple of Tomb Raider games. But don't sit there with your head so far up your ass and tell me Tomb Raider wasn't a factor in Uncharted's creation.
I've stopped listening to the people who've got their heads collarbone-deep in their Playstation 3 disc slots claiming that Tomb Raider is an Uncharted wannabe. It's nonsense. Like I said in my own blog, Tomb Raider has been around for years longer than Uncharted. I've also stopped listening to the people claiming Uncharted is a Tomb Raider clone. The games are VASTLY different while the theme remains the same. The THEME. That's the only similarity, really. And if I had a coconut for every time multiple games shared the same theme...well, let's just say I'd be neck deep in fruit.
Parts of your blog are proper spot on, though, and what helps is that you're a fan of both Uncharted and Tomb Raider which prevents you from being narrow-minded, praise the Lord. I remember reading what you mentioned, that the developers claimed they were going for the same cinematic styled action that made Uncharted successful, and there's nothing wrong with that. The developers are following in the footsteps of a game that did things right! People should praise that, not talk crap about it.
Although, I will admit that you might want to watch your wording--I couldn't help but get the impression that you might be an Uncharted fanboy, given the way you said certain things.
I like Uncharted and Tomb Raider. TBH I remember playing pitfall on the old console and then playing the 3D edition and it being about treasure hunting and such. Anyway, I think this genre has always existed in some form.
Uncharted borrowed from Tomb Raider, but there is nothing wrong with that because without doing so it would not be what it is.
Tomb raider reboot devs have already said that they have looked to Uncharted for ideas. To me this tells me that the only people who really care about this kind of stuff are fanboys.
Both games can be awesome and both can coexist. For me, Uncharted or Tomb Raider will never be the same no matter how much similarities they have.
Uncharted and Tomb Raider are so different that the only people that say they are similar is because they hasn't played neither. But the TB reboot, now that's a rip-off just like the Sony All-Star.
More like tis the other way around now Lara is taking elements from Drake with the blockbuster action and so is resident evil 6. Games borrow elements from each other thats how it works and makes better games they arent just ripoffs of each other.
Uncharted is a combination of Tomb Raider and the GeoW cover shooting combined with cinematic flair.
I wouldn't say Uncharted copied TR, but it's clearly inspired by it. I would also say many games including the new TR are inspired by Uncharted, not surprising since it's so successful.
Saying this game is a rip of or a copy of that is usually a futile exercise. All games build on those who have come before and trends that are popular are also influential.
Also as games have evolved into genres there will be many similarities within games in the same genre anyway.
But fanboys and girls will surely not give up this idea to defend their favorite game or brand, it's just that it's pretty pointless...