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So you're "not ready" for next-gen consoles? Here's why you should be

“The current generation isn’t maxed-out,” say fans. Others chime in with the common, “fancy graphics don’t make games better, gameplay does,” argument.

Are these assertions true? Absolutely. Do they offer up a reasonable argument to delay the next inevitable generation of consoles? No, and here is why.

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NYC_Gamer4370d ago

Many gamers are stuck with the illusion that new hardware only brings better graphics

Controversy4370d ago (Edited 4370d ago )

That's a great point. Many seem to forget that new hardware will bring vastly improved phsyics, AI, and new ways to play and tell a story.

It's not the visuals that make a new generation of gaming exciting after seven years of this current gen, it's the new experiences and ways to play only possible with better tools.

Cheers.

sphinct4370d ago

This is a well-argued piece. Nice to see something with points to make about the value of another generation rather than yet more rumors.

I, for one, would love to get me some next-gen consoles ASAP. (If my wallet can handle it, haha.)

Army_of_Darkness4370d ago

Too much exciting new games coming out on the PS3 still to even care about next Gen. lol! well, for me anyway:D

FunAndGun4370d ago

I don't play PC games so this question is honest and serious. Since PC's are years ahead of consoles and a window into the future of consoles.

Can you give me some examples of games currently on PC that vastly improve on physics, AI, and new ways to play and tell a story that can't be done on current consoles?

Not graphically, but gameplay wise.

HeartDisease4370d ago

no one will answer your question funandgun. truth is there is only better physics since it is tied to graphics. stories and how they are presented are opinions. ai and gameplay are mostly stagnant.

more horsepower will not improve on anything but graphics since that is what people buy. expect beautifully tesellated chest high walls with million polygon heads popin out from them for you to shoot at next gen.

sjaakiejj4370d ago

@HeartDisease
Guess you were wrong..

@FunAndGun
The reason for that is really quite simple: Piracy. Due to the insane amount of piracy on the PC platform, it is not seen as a profitable end-goal for games. Most games exclusive to the platform end up making a loss, without even considering the larger investment required to make a game that's able to utilise the new hardware appropriately.

PC will get games, but they will not be exclusive. Instead, the PC gets games at the same technical level as consoles, with perhaps some cheap Dx11 features such as Tessellation. That means that we'll see a significant improvement in game quality for PC when new consoles release.

Sithlord-Gamble4370d ago

@sjaa ...

PC is held back by consoles???

Battlefield 3 disagrees with u!

Where was all the AI advancement ur talking about on a title developed especially for PC as the lead platform?

So consider ur theory busted.

TekoIie4370d ago (Edited 4370d ago )

@funandgun

There's a reason why these games were awesome this gen:

Uncharted trilogy
Mass effect trilogy
Alan wake
Assassins creed franchise

These are some of the games with brilliant scripting and storyline which was near absent last gen (well on the level those games are on) and would be possible if PC's hadn't advanced. Also the animations in uncharted are amazing and there's nothing that can compare to it.

megacowdung4370d ago

Yeah, i think graphics are fine the way they are now. I'm not saying an improvement in graphics is bad but it's not necessary. More RAM and a stronger processor would be much better than improved graphics.

JOHN_DOH4370d ago (Edited 4370d ago )

have you seen planetside2 footage? I think it's like 1000 vs 1000 in a persistent world. It's being made by Sony for pc only.

Arnon4370d ago

AI can in fact be improved with better hardware. Especially with a faster, multi-core'd CPU. It will just depend on how much effort developers will put into their games.

Judging by how gaming is moving, not a lot of effort is going to be shown.

limewax4370d ago

PC has PhysX, which is an incredible physics engine.

There may well be more, but the only game I have found outside of PC so far that utilizes PhysX is Escape Plan for the Vita.

So in short, yes there are actually games that support improved physics on PC. Including the batman arkham games and many many more

Rhythmattic4369d ago (Edited 4369d ago )

limewax
you do realise PhysX, is proprietary to Nvidia ... (as is DX9-10-11 to MS)

You know, the things PC gamers hate.... "Closed" & ""Not Compatible"

Open GL for the win. (hope you get the point.)

slayorofgods4369d ago

It still seems like the biggest improvement for the next generation will only be 20 dollars worth of more memory..

* 3.2 ghz tri core to 3.2 ghz quad core won't make a big difference in gaming.

* The GPU isn't going to be that much of a upgrade, the physics will be upgraded about as much as the graphics... Marginally.

* As far as destructible environments and sandbox games and even AI, the thing that is holding back consoles is Memory. and that is pretty much it.

morganfell4369d ago (Edited 4369d ago )

It is completely possible to make great AI with the current hardware and yet Devs do not. Same with physics. There are plenty of great looking games this gen that are crap. Do we really want more of that?

Current systems are more than capable of providing AI that do not run backwards faster than you can run forward and the current gen can have better AI than those we too often see that have eyes in the back of their head, act like bullet sponges, never drop a weapon and run, never scream and cry when they are wounded as they realize they are really about to die, never panic, and are the most fool hardy bunch of doorknobs in the world.

I could also expound upon AI interactions that are non-kinetic in nature, all easily possible on current gen.

Most AI is dumber than a bag of hammers yet current hardware could do better. It isn't the hardware that is incapable but rather the developers or most often the producers who will not allocate the time and resources for better AI.

Plenty of real life reactions are easily capable on the current gen. But AI are not the advertisement poster for sales as are graphics. Developers are simply playing to that which gains them the most mileage - a pretty picture. That really says something about the shallow nature of gamers and our consumer demographic on the whole.

It is confounding so many believe next gen will improve the most important aspect of gaming - the gameplay. Better hardware isn't a magic bullet that suddenly engenders developers with creativity. It doesn't evolve them as developers over night or even over a year.

Better looking games that cost even more, with the same broken or tired mechanics and AI are precisely what we will get next gen with very few exceptions. I want to see some revolutionary thinking this generation.

Max Payne 3 and it's per bullet impact physics implementation prove this gen is more than able to handle a complex implementation that requires vast amounts of number crunching - because that's what's needed in that type of physics, godlike math. And the game still looks incredible.

I want to see more games like Dust 514 that are breaking the mold of the current gen thought methodology and the manner in which gamers interact with one another.

No one is denying that better more capable hardware make certain aspects of the process easier, but the fact is that hardware is not the stumbling block this generation that some think. We can't solve a problem if it cannot be honestly addressed and games like Max Payne 3 that have taken the time to do things right make fools of those that believe next gen hardware is required for next gen gaming.

attilayavuzer4369d ago (Edited 4369d ago )

Anyone remember those early tech demos of Alan Wake with the tornado hitting? Or the Star Wars Euphoria demo? That's what I'm excited for next generation. It might sound ridiculous, but I've always wanted a game that's a painstakingly created house that you could just go in and destroy with crazy precision, hopefully that'll be a possibility...I'm sick of ragdoll too.

Mrmagnumman3574369d ago

@ Fun and Gun, there is a reason some of us play on PC, its not just PHYSX, and DX11. Its because of games like ARMA 3 and Planet-side 2. ARMA 3 has a 600km island to explore with near photorealistic graphics. Planetside 2 has 1000 vs 1000 matches with graphics better then Halo. And another huge reason is MODDING! I am currently making a mod for crysis 2 that is a whole game set in a open world Chicago, and the graphics on it are incredible, not to mention it's accurate to real Chicago, and looks photo-realistic at times, and features DX11 features on everything. Don't listen to what console gamers tell you, real pc gamers don't buy a gaming pc for better graphics, we buy it for all the things you can do on it that aren't possible on consoles.

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Soldierone4370d ago

Hit the nail on the head. In fact ever since this talk started all I've been wanting is better features, graphics are on the list but it isn't number 1.

A-Glorious-Dawn4369d ago

It's all important, I am and will always be a graphic whore though..

I have said it before, I will play a shitty game if it looks really pretty.....

It's my Vice and mine alone....

TekoIie4369d ago

Dunno why we bother asking for better graphics lol. Its guaranteed to get better every gen not matter what.

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mcstorm4370d ago

I think i agree with you here i have a massive back log of games for my 360 and ps3. I have yet to finish uc2 halo cea op flahlash point point rr, lbp 2 driver, resistance 3 skyrim fifa 12 gt5 bf3 rise of knightmares and more and this is just on 2 consoles i still have uc ga mnr on the psv as well as rez mario 3ds Mario kark 3ds and zelda on my psv and 3ds. My biggest problem is i tend to get an hour or so a night and i cant get enough of forza 4 online at the mo it just keeps me going back to it but got a week off soon so going to get through as much as i can.

christian hour4370d ago (Edited 4370d ago )

@funandgun

Any game that utilizes physx is a good example of what could be brought to current gen games, just look at mirrors edge or arkham city with phys x enabled. I've also heard CUDA can do wonders with AI, but sadly since crysis no game devs have taken the risk of pushing the boundaries for a pc only game.

The financial gamble is too much when its much safer to develop for current gen consoles as well as PC, so really all the pc is getting these days is nice shiney versions of console games, with the odd exclusive here and there, but again due to the costs of a lengthy production schedule required to make an engine that takes full advantage of the latest CPU's and GPU's its a big risk for the devs to take, especially if they're under the umbrella of a larger publisher. This is of course all just opinion and speculation from what i've observed in the industry over many years.

I don't know why but I have this feeling when we do see the jump, it's going to be half-life 3 on a new source engine. And thats when I'll finally get around to buying myself a PC... maybe... budget permitting :P

I'm all for new consoles so PC games can truly take advantage of the hardware at their disposal, instead of being developed with current gen consoles in mind. Even if I never get a PC capable of playing these games, I still love seeing the advances in gaming that it always brings time and time again.

theeg4370d ago

@funandgun

here's some pc games current consoles are 100% incapable of playing at anywhere near whats considered playabl;e framerate, graphics, units on screen ect.....

Shogun 2 total war

xbox360/ps3 couldnt even handle rome total war from 2004 with 1000's of units on screen

let alone empire, napoleon, medival

basically consoles cannot do large scale rts

mmo's, only garbage instance with terrible graphics like dcu online

mods, true user content, because morons would dowload something that fu%^#ed up[ their ps3 and sue.

bf3 with 64 players....lol

consoles are ancient man, they are 8 years old hardware wise, they are the vcr's of gaming

they literally cannot do ANYTHING a gaming pc can....like 1080p, 1200p, 1440p, 1600p

lol...they cannot do anti aliasing, v-sync, dx10, dx10.1, dx11,

we can go on like this forever

ps3/360 = last gen

MysticStrummer4370d ago (Edited 4370d ago )

"Can you give me some examples of games currently on PC that vastly improve on physics, AI, and new ways to play and tell a story that can't be done on current consoles?

Not graphically, but gameplay wise."

Congrats, you didn't answer the question at all. Almost everything you listed has to do with graphics, except for RTS, and that genre not working well on consoles has more to do with control scheme than hardware power. PS3 (and maybe 360... not sure) can use mouse and keyboard, and Move was shown to be great for RTS with RUSE, so even your RTS point is pointless. Number of units on screen... again, graphics. The only valid point you made was about mods and user created content in general.

OT - I'm still looking forward to games this year and next, so I have no need for a new console. I'll start wanting next gen to get here when Sony shows PS4 and some games I drool over. Until then, I'm fine. Anyway, I'd rather AI was improved than graphics next gen.

extermin8or4370d ago

Most of your points are graphics and about the whole MOD's thing; I'd call the person that made the MOD that fucks up ps3's or 360's the moron not the unlucky person who downloads it....

RevXM4370d ago

PS3 can do AA, V-sync, 1080p, 256 and prolly even 1000 + players, 1000's of onscreen characters, And ps3 for instance doesn't use DX at all, but custom OpenGL and other libraries.
And there is yet to be a standard TV aimed at private and home household consumers with the following resolutions : 1200p, 1440p, 1600p. so anything but 1080p would be stupid because TV screens doesnt suppurt it and by the time it is supported they will already support much higher res like 4-8K resoultion. (next gen)

Infact BF3 with 64 players to would be possible.

You seem very biased, but truth be told consoles are ancient compared to current high end hardware.

The thing is that developers trade away neat visual elements to gain more detail, thats why games are 720P, sometimes with jaggies, at 30FPS, with tearing and with lower amounts of objects on screen. Its called trade offs and that is what you have to do to make the games the best they can be againts the devs vision and skill level, they need to weigh, measure and optimize to make their vision come alive and be the best game they can make.

Not every console game is a GOW 3, Uncharted, Killzone or Gears, but not every PC game is a Crysis, Metro or BF either. its all up to the devs and if you ask me they have been on the lazy side since Crysis. Thats true when small devs like 4A (metro series) and CD Project RED (the withcer series) make the BEST looking games around while Crytek, Epic games etc slacks off and releases no games to push the bar.

Can't wait for Next gen!

princejb1344370d ago

its nice to have new updated hardware but that also means developers will have to use more resources for the updated graphics which might make video game prices increase
last gen we was paying about $54 for a game after tax, this gen is $65 after tax
who knows maybe next gen ill go up to $75

showtimefolks4369d ago

you know all these fans for both ps3/xbox360 who are so ready for next gen will be waiting a while before anything comes out. Both ps3/xbox360 are still 250 and 300 so the prices have to come around 149-99 before we will see a new console. And when both are selling well why should either MS or sony bring out a new one? just to please few fans who just want a new hardware.

gears of war 3 look at how good the game looks and new crysis we don't need new consoles just yet, if new consoles can do 15% better than current ones than that's really not next gen so here is hoping both MS and sony announce their systems at E3 2013 and being them out in fall 2014, by than both ps3 and xbox360 will be under 149 and most likely sold close to 100 or over 100 million consoles

Horny Melon4369d ago

Yeah I mean c'mon the ps3 and xbox 360 were only the tip of the iceberg when it comes to milkin.....I mean bilkin....I mean finding new ways to add value.

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pat_11_54370d ago

I'm still not ready for the next generation simply because I'm broke. I can't afford a new generation of consoles right now.

GroundsKeeperJimbo4370d ago

$25/month to your savings my friend. I'd say you still have around 18 months($450) :]

pangitkqb4369d ago

Very well said, Jimbo. Rather than moan, gamers should simply prepare. That or be content to wait a while before jumping on board each gen.

cas854370d ago

You could pick it up cheaper after a few years or used if it launched today. You don't necessarily have to buy on day one. The same goes for games - backlog is a good thing price and selection wise.

AIndoria4370d ago

Some really really good points up there. Well said, mate! One thing I am concerned about though, is the question whether the new consoles will be affordable. PS3 wasn’t affordable(At least not to me) when it was released. Let’s wait and see. But hey, I don't even own 10$ right now!

Soldierone4370d ago

I think for Sony at least it will be. It mostly depends on the gamble MS and Nintendo make if you ask me. If they price theirs high, Sony will come in at the same or just under it.

Sony learned that in the economy right now you can't sell a high quality thing at a high price, people will just jump for the cheaper stuff. I say this in regards to Sony as a whole (TV's etc) and the fact PS3 couldn't sell amazingly well when it launched.

My bet? PS3 and Xbox come in at 350 to 400 at max (If I had to pick, it'd be 300 dollars) , WiiU 200 to 250 at most.

yabhero4370d ago

Umm WiiU is a new console... And even though people don't like to hear it, it probably sporting newer tech so I'll say. 300-350. Though if it's a real power house ( cause now its just like 3.5 according to rumor. But if it ends being 5-6 times ( its probably not) I'll pay 400-450.
One thing we do know is that WiiU is using a Power7 chip. At the very lowest level. It can run 16 threads. 360 and ps3 do 6. Threads go to AI physics sound and stuff. Those things on the WiiU have th potential to be 2-2.7 times better.

Horny Melon4369d ago

I'm amazed at the number of people that get suckered by Nintendos bs every generation. The Wii-U is not going to be a power house. It is only a couple times more powerful than the 360 or ps4.....both of which will be getting replaced next year. Making buying the Wii-U because it will be more powerful than the ps3 and 360 pure folly.

Soldierone4369d ago

Edit I meant PS4 and Next Xbox, not the current ones lol

NastyLeftHook04370d ago

im ready cuz i want to see how draw dropping uncharted "4?" looks on ps4.

Controversy4370d ago

Hard to argue against wanting to see that!

Cryptcuzz4370d ago

What you meant to say is jaw-dropping hehe, but you can't go wrong with a comment like that.

I too am ready for next-gen, bring it on!

jthamind4370d ago (Edited 4370d ago )

and here's why i shouldn't be:

i have a PC that will likely put the specs of next-gen consoles to shame. and i can upgrade it whenever i want/need to.

SignifiedSix4370d ago

Its just too bad you wont be able to fully utilize those "specs" as they do in consoles.

Put a 7970 or 680 in a console and it would run the PC counterpart right over.

Why? Because they could utilize all its power!

Why do you think consoles output pretty amazing graphics for their ages?

Go play your "powerhouse". Too bad you're not getting the full potential of it...

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10 Weirdest Video Games of All Time

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PS5 Pro specs leak video taken down by Sony

Sony is taking actions as video by Moore’s Law is Dead, has been issued with a copyright claim.

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andy851d 10h ago

And people say it's all fake because Sony haven't said anything 😂 conveniently forget the PS4 Pro was only announced 2 months before release.

BeHunted1d 9h ago

It's fake. There's no factual evidence other than his own made up specs.

Hereandthere1d 9h ago

What were the specks Sony was afraid of showing?

Shikoku1d 9h ago (Edited 1d 9h ago )

Digital foundry put a video out saying what he leaked was exactly what they also knew about the PS5 PRO. So no it's not just stuff he made up

Babadook71d 6h ago (Edited 1d 6h ago )

If it’s fake what copyright does MLID infringe upon?

😂

andy851d 5h ago

Aye because they'd go to the effort of copyright claiming it if it didn't exist 🙃😂 you'd have to be a special kind to be thinking its not a thing by now

Cacabunga1d 5h ago

They need to reveal it with uncharted killzone or a heavy hitter like this

Ironmike1d 5h ago (Edited 1d 5h ago )

U mean the specs that we'll established digital foundry which said these are the actual specs published a video on 2 weeks ago I mean they are only one of most trusted sites for tech information but they just made up a video for the sake of it

Christopher15h ago

I would love for it all to be fake, but lots of people are saying they've seen/heard the same thing. But, man, we 100% don't need mid-gen upgrades when we're failing hard to optimize current hardware.

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Seraphim10h ago(Edited 10h ago)

if I recall Sony lowered sales expectations for PS5 earlier this year. if that is the case we won't hear anything about a Pro until next year or shortly before/when it's dropping. After all, if the Pro was dropping this year/fiscal year they wouldn't have lowered expectations.

As for squashing rumors. Yeah, shit like this prevents potential buyers from adopting now, just like slim rumors in the past. It only makes sense to keep things under wraps from a business perspective. Despite living in a technological age of unfettered access to information we don't need to know whats going on behind closed doors be that at Sony, Nintendo, MS, or amongst any development studios. When the steak is done we shall feast.

JackBNimble10h ago

By the time games are actually made to take advantage of the pro spec's the ps6 will be released or close to it.

jznrpg1d 9h ago (Edited 1d 9h ago )

Just announce it already! I want to preorder one asap. But in reality they don’t want to lessen PS5 sales until Pro is ready to launch so I understand the business part of it. September is probably when they announce it with an early November launch like the PS4 Pro

Ironmike1d 5h ago

Pro won't lessen sales sames ps4 pro never and the ps4 pro was more relevant at the time cos move to 4k this not needed

RaidenBlack22h ago(Edited 22h ago)

Yea, my brother got his PS4 (coz of a good deal) after the PS4 Pro's release.

darthv7219h ago

^^same here. I got a base 4 for only $100 off a guy who bought the Pro. then a few months later I found a guy on craigslist selling a pro for $100 because it was left behind by his former roommate who moved out. That was the beginning of my obsession to buy up the different variants of the PS4 that were released.

As of now I am really only missing the 500m one and the gold slim but otherwise I have pretty much all the other retail ones. https://consolevariations.c...

crazyCoconuts12h ago

Anyone with 4K that appreciates 60fps is gonna disagree about it not being needed.
DLSS is a god send for Nvidia, and there's been nothing like it for AMD...yet ...

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DeadlyFire17h ago

They will announce it around E3 timeframe about May-June whenever they do a showcase for the year.

neutralgamer19921d 8h ago

Just announce it this thing will sell well

Ironmike1d 5h ago (Edited 1d 5h ago )

I don't think it will pll still haven't seen the potential of ps5 yet

Cacabunga15h ago

agreed, but it might sell if they announce some 1st party games to lead the way. if people see the difference with the base version they can move on. for my sake I am still gaming mainly on PS4 (still not finished with RDR2 due to lack of gaming time). I have a huge backlog on PS5 I am hoping to get into.

mark3214uk1d ago

why? game makers havnt even come close to maxing out current spec yet, were getting al lthese new TFlops and game maker are making crappy remakes not worthy of the ps3

Minute Man 72119h ago

The guts of the 5 and X are 5 years old

fr0sty12h ago

People keep saying that, yet we still have games running at near HD resolutions, 30fps, and ray tracing features turned off.

PRIMORDUS1d 5h ago (Edited 1d 5h ago )

I would take that video and upload a torrent of it, fuck that copyright bullshit. If your going to do something that has a chance of being taken down, make a torrent first share it. Then Sony or any other company is helpless and you can laugh in their faces, taunting them to try to take it down 🤣

LoveSpuds23h ago

With kind of analysis and advice, you could be a lawyer for Trump!🤣

tronyx1222h ago

As much as the PS4 Pro didn't represent a major % in the playerbase, announcing a 'better' model will hinder sales from the 'base' model. They are right, business-wise.

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Tales Of Graces Ƒ Retro Review – Holding Out For a Hero

Gary Green said: Namco Bandai heard the call of many fans asking for the PlayStation release of Tales of Graces which was originally released seemingly exclusively for the Wii back in 2009. If you’re acquainted with the Tales series then Graces f won’t be something entirely new to you, yet if you’re a newcomer then you’ll find a plethora of gameplay mechanics and nuances that distinguish this series from other JRPGs. While the game finds itself following the traditional archetype of JRPGs, such as a somewhat clichéd story, Graces has something to offer to both veterans and newcomers alike.

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GoodGuy091d 23h ago

Odd this and the xillia games still haven't gotten remasters yet.