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PS3 sales "continue to lag" Xbox, price cut "likely" by E3 says Pachter

E3 is right around the corner in June, and while Nintendo's Wii U is likely to grab the spotlight with no next-gen announcements planned from Microsoft and Sony, Nintendo's rivals could apply some pressure to the market with hardware price cuts. In fact, Wedbush Securities analyst Michael Pachter sees a PS3 price drop as a likely outcome at E3.

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NYC_Gamer4398d ago

I expect the kinect 250gb bundle to receive the price cut

GribbleGrunger4398d ago

to sum up this article for those who can't be bothered to read it:

'consoles sell according to the software available'

Razmossis4398d ago

Stopped reading at "says Pachter".

guitarded774398d ago (Edited 4398d ago )

@ Razmossis

Yeah, Patcher is a waste of life, but I too think both consoles will see a price drop at E3. Sony needs to break the $200 magic price mark. There's just something about that $200 mark that brings consumers running... even though it's only a $50 difference. MS should offer the 320gb at the $200 price point, and both Sony and MS need to have motion control system packages under the Wii U's price point. Nintendo's new console will be the must have holiday gift and in short supply, so if Sony and MS have a better priced console and readily available it will give them both monster sales this holiday.

brish4398d ago

I always find it odd how the xbox outselling the ps3 in the USA every year is news but the ps3 outselling the xbox globally every year isn't news.

http://www.vgchartz.com/yea...

http://www.vgchartz.com/yea...

KonaBro4398d ago

Brish I wouldn't use VGChartz to back up anything considering most people will just laugh at you.

As for Pachter, he's just being an idiot as usual. Sony isn't trying to beat Microsoft in sales. They could easily do that by dropping the PS3 to a price that no one could ignore. However, Sony is trying to make money and since they are the only console to make money at a higher prices then the other two consoles, I find it highly unlikely the PS3 drops in price in this year. If it does, it will be towards the end of the year in time for the holidays.

sikbeta4398d ago

PS3 will not catch up to X360 in sales...

thorstein4398d ago

Not to mention that this is just a pseudonym for "IndustryGamers" a site whose writers know nothing about the Industry or Gaming. They are just trolling for hits on their irrelevant site.

GribbleGrunger4398d ago

@sikbeta

i think you'll find that 'catching up' eventually leads to 'being caught'

brish4398d ago

Opinion: Why PlayStation 3 Will Outsell Xbox 360
http://ps3.ign.com/articles...

pixelsword4398d ago

Worldwide or US?

These articles always leave out the info that contradicts their central theme.

Edward754398d ago

@ Brish , do you live in the United States? If so that is why it matters. Prices for systems are different here then elsewhere, and if you do live in the US what products and how many that sell in different countries has little affect on here. Flip the script and say you lived in Japan... Why talk about 360 worldwide sales? It makes sense.

rhcpfan4398d ago

@brish

lol@"ign" and "opinion"

room4144398d ago

Why do articles about U.S. sales always have misleading titles?

NeoBasch4398d ago (Edited 4398d ago )

This is what I don't get. Why do people assume N4G only applies to America. N4G is a news feed for games. Period. That includes the UK, Japan, and any other nation with significant news in gaming.

MmaFan-Qc4398d ago

what Pachter say....is always futile.

DeadlyFire4398d ago

Well I was kinda already expecting that. Typically when a new generation is announced old generation cuts prices back. I could have predicted this in 2010.

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Drekken4398d ago

Its just time for a $199.00 PS3. I don't care which model... its just time.

Hellsvacancy4398d ago

I think im gonna need another PS3 before too long, my slim takes a little while to load games, i price-cut would be handy

torchic4398d ago

I want $199 so that I can sell my black slim and get the white slim :D

then get the "Great Wave" PS3 skin oh yessss :)

Fylus4398d ago

Definitely. My Slim is sort of in a malfunctioning stage... It won't read disks after it gets too hot and it keeps corrupting my hard drive. I could definitely cough up 200$ for an all out brand new system:) It needs to happen before DUST 514 comes out though

Consoldtobots4398d ago (Edited 4398d ago )

call me crazy but if you go to gamestop.com you see the PS3 for $199 and the 360 for $139.

morkendo234398d ago (Edited 4398d ago )

U can buy 60gb ps3 @ pawnshop for 149.00 now
here in seattle.
bought second one saturday.

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MastaMold4398d ago

The PS3 has been in 2nd place in worldwide sales for most of this year again US does not equal the world when will people understand this, oh yea and the PS3 has sold 60+ million in 5 years it took the 360 6 years to pass those numbers it looks like the PS3 has sold way faster dont you think

OC_MurphysLaw4398d ago

When will people understand that an article speaking about NPD preview reports and US sales is not meant to represent the world? When will people stop feeling the need to "defend" their console everytime a sales related article comes up? When will people understand articles like this aren't about who is in first, second or third but about expectations on price cuts in the U.S.?

Dee_914398d ago (Edited 4398d ago )

Whats so hard about saying sales lag in US flourish worldwide ?
I think if they made it known people would understand :) however they dont......
just to answer one of your questions.

duplissi4398d ago

ill just leave this here...

as of nov 2011:
If you average out worldwide units sold per month of each console, the numbers favor Sony. Over its lifetime of 72 months on the market, Xbox 360 is averaging about 800,000 units sold per month. Over 60 months on the market, PlayStation 3 is averaging 925,000 units sold per month.

Based solely on averages, if you were to remove Xbox 360's year head start, 57.6 million units sold becomes 48 million units sold. If you were to give PlayStation 3 12 more months to sell, paralleling Xbox 360's lifecycle, PS3's 55.5 million units becomes 66.6 million units sold.

Hicken4398d ago

+bubbles.

Now, let's see someone call that a lie, or minimize its importance. It's only a matter of time.

mr_badhand4398d ago

Every year its the same thing. PS3 will outsell the 360.

How many price drops?
How many models?
How many bundles?

Maybe its time to let this issue die and move on. People keep bringing up the 360's headstart but it is what it is, a headstart.
If this issue is so important to some here then maybe we should be mad at Sony for not releasing a year earlier.

Muffins12234398d ago

Yes but usa makes up msot of the world market and is the largest market soooo it is almost the World sales when it makes up for 75 percent of the gaming inustry

Anon19744398d ago (Edited 4398d ago )

mr_badhand said "Every year its the same thing. PS3 will outsell the 360."

And every year except last year and that one year they tied, the PS3 has. What's your point?
I don't understand why this is even an issue for debate. Since the 360 had any competition, head 2 head it's been outsold. By the Wii and by the PS3.

And even though the 360 clings to it's small lead from it's time when it was sold unchallenged, we know it doesn't matter because research has shown that when it comes to consoles out in the wild, there are more active PS3's out there than there are 360's. This is what matters to the industry. It's not the slight lead Microsoft's console still clings to on paper, it's the amount of consoles out in the wild and what's moving the most software. That's what makes the industry thrive - software, nor hardware. And from the developers themselves we know that with the exception of Call of Duty - revenue generated between the PS3 and 360 are neck and neck. So in this great pissing match, as far as the industry is concerned - so far it's pretty much a tie.

Drake1174398d ago

Lol i would like to see some facts and numbers about the number of ps3s and 360s "out in the wild". Right now its giving me a picture in my head of xbox 360s and ps3s in the middle of the jungle spear fishing.

banner4398d ago

If you have to take the advantage that one console had and say, take that away and give it to the other console..... You sir look stupid!

All this moving the numbers around is stupid... As of today, ms has sold more consoles world wide. Ms is still ahead of sony by a few million some 6 yrs later some of you just have to get over it, cause new consoles will be here soon.

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baodeus4398d ago (Edited 4398d ago )

@duplissi and Hiken

"IF" you were to remove Xbox 360's year head start, or "IF" you were to give PlayStation 3 12 more months to sell,

Why ask IF when there is no IF, you already know the result. What is the total current console sold now, as in what is the current state of gaming consoles, in REALITY, no IF?

Here is some food for thought:

You (ps3) and me (x360) join a race. You arrived late and you remained last. So instead of asking why you lost, you said "if" you were early, you could have won.

1. Well why didn't you show up early like i did?

2. Do you ever think or would admit that it is your fault for coming late to the race and lost? Should I be blamed for you being late?

3. I'll admit, you ran faster than I'm. Everyone know You and You were their favorite while I was a nobody. I join in as a rookie which you didn't even notice since you left me in the dust from the previous race. You still take me lightly this time around, running high on your ego, so you take your time thinking you could beat me, but now you just trailing behind. Who fault is it? It is me or you?

4. Haven't you learn anything from the Tortoise and the Hare story?

5. With that said, we both lost to that old veteran runner; he was late too like you. What a shocker.

kreate4398d ago

@bao

i do like ur comment.

But between microsoft and sony, microsoft is the more ego-driven company.

Microsoft doesnt even care about sony. They're more worried about apple and google.

SilentNegotiator4397d ago (Edited 4397d ago )

@Dlacy

So it's okay to ignore the Ps3's general sales just because? Oh, well, so long as we're ONLY discussing NPD, we can say that the ps3 is "lagging" behind the 360 and SEVERELY needs a pricecut.

"When will people learn that we can ignore the ps3's general success and delude ourselves by sticking our heads in the sand with NPD sales charts? If Pachter, a supposed professional, wants to talk as if a limited scope shows he entire picture, why can't he without you evil pstree fanbois getting all over him??"

You're more than happy to ignore how the ps3 is REALLY doing in favor of NPD numbers, though. You KNOW that if the tables were reversed, you would NEVER let a portion of sales that show the ps3 favor be treated like the whole.

Trenta274397d ago

That may have been the case before, but not anymore. PS3 sales have pretty much stalled, Sony is losing billions and cutting jobs, and they are having trouble keeping people with the console. I love my PS3, but my Xbox beats him.

baodeus4397d ago (Edited 4397d ago )

@kreate

I agree with you that MS is pretty arrogant too, and that is why they are late and losing in the mobile/search market against Apple and Google; Although those are entirely different markets.

I think eventually, OS, which is MS strength, might also become obsolete.

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donniebaseball4398d ago

Seems like MS is in the driver's seat. If they drop price, Sony has no choice.

CarlitoBrigante4398d ago

Pachter never learns, Sony won't announce any pricecut in E3 if history learns us anything. Because right after E3 its summer and its a really calm season to buy new consoles.

I expect Sony to give a pricecut around september, like they did in 2009 and 2011.

Rhythmattic4398d ago (Edited 4398d ago )

With hands flailing...

Its a kinect joke....

Sgt_Slaughter4398d ago (Edited 4398d ago )

*Shakes head back and forth with a facepalm*

Dee_914398d ago

so if sony drop the price ms will do nothing ?

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BitbyDeath4398d ago

@DK286K, don't know where you're from but MS dropped the price in Australia last year after Sony did.

Sony actually had their console cheaper than MS for a few weeks down here.

Dee_914398d ago (Edited 4398d ago )

@ bitby I guess he means in the US because ofcourse thats the only place that matter /s

@DK286K
The xbox 360 price dropped back in 2010 and in 2009. ps3 dropped its price in what .. august of 2011?
My original point is its doesnt matter what either one do, they will drop their prices when ever they want.Ofcourse xbox will be the first to drop its price because it was the first to come out. It doesnt take a rocket scientist to realize that.

Megaton4398d ago

Sony can't break the network effect that the 360 has, especially in America. That's why they keep trailing and that's why the 360 is having its best hardware sales of this entire generation when it's delivering the worst game lineup of damn near any console ever made. Hardly any exclusive games worth a crap since 2010, yet hardware is flying off the shelves. Sony likes to talk about "momentum", but Microsoft actually has it.

KonaBro4398d ago

Yes and that momentum has kept them in 2nd place even though they launched first.

mobhit4398d ago (Edited 4398d ago )

...Yet another person with one too many bubbles and has no idea what they're talking about.

May I remind you that Nintendo is still in the lead. Microsoft hasn't won anything unless they bypass Nintendo.

I think Sony will cut the PS3 price soon but at a time where people least expect it.

Megaton4398d ago

I love how you guys turn on and off Nintendo's existence like a light switch based on whether or not you're talking about Microsoft's sales.

Nowhere in my post did I say they "won" anything. They're simply not going to be overtaken by Sony. They will always stay a slim margin ahead. Sony almost had them a couple years ago when the gap was down to around 500k, but now it's back in the millions and continuing to grow. You guys can only deny reality for so long. Frankly, I didn't think you'd still be doing it for this long.

Sony's price cuts have had zero effect on Microsoft's hardware sales. They've proven that not only do their competition's price cuts not make a dent in their units moved, but neither does delivering nothing but terrible Kinect games. It's an anomaly how they manage to keep shifting so many units while doing so many other things wrong. A real testament to the network effect and over-aggressive advertising.

Drake1174398d ago

Kinect is what has been selling xboxes the last few year...its not an anomaly at all. Yes the hardcore gamer hates kinect and laughs at its lineup of games but the average gamer, families, or any one else buying video games loves the damn thing.

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otherZinc4397d ago

I agree!

@Baodeus,
That above comment is the current comment of the year!

Spot on.

If SONY is beating 360 in "Worldwide" sales by "their (SONY'S) numbers"; why did SONY have a "Worldwide" price cut this past year?

SONY's numbers are shipped & they need to get rid of that stock thats sitting in warehouses around the world.

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Cocozero4398d ago

Its incredible that MS managed to be the No.1 console last year without cutting price. In fact the 360 hasn't had a price cut in about 3 years now only new models so they must be raking in the $$$.

If they are smart they would cut the price of the 360 right before the launch of Halo 4 for another mega sales boost.

CGI-Quality4398d ago (Edited 4398d ago )

The 360 didn't sell the most to consumers last year. They shipped more, but the way I understand it, the PS3 sold more to consumers. Only source to go by in such a case is VG Chartz. Take that for what you will, but I don't know a more credible source.

OT: Perhaps he means the US / UK, because everywhere else, the PS3 sells more than the Wii and 360 weekly.

OC_MurphysLaw4398d ago (Edited 4398d ago )

The only source to go by is what the companies themselves report...not VG Chartz...not NPD's ...but what Sony, Nintendo and MS have to say end of story. Their financial reports are the only true source. FULL STOP

edit: @CGI-Quality..."but I dont' know a more credible source"? How about the companies themselves and what they reported:

http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

http://socialbarrel.com/xbo...

room4144398d ago

dlacy doesn't understand the difference between shipped and sold to consumer apparently

k-dillinger4398d ago

umm well how is that possible ps3 fiscal cycle just ended on march 31 for 2011 so how did they outsell them last year when numbers for Sony weren't in yet jeez talk about stretching there numbers

Wolfbiker4398d ago (Edited 4398d ago )

I cant believe there are people missing out on all these great ps3 exlusives.

xPhearR3dx4398d ago

Different people have different taste. Wii killed it this gen in sales, but for me personally, I'm not missing anything by not owning one.

Rhythmattic4398d ago

I understand what you are saying, but as much as WII sux, there are GAMES we are missing out on...

But for the fun of it...

Its a matter of "whats more important" to you as a gamer....

Zelda OR Halo

Mario OR Killzone

Easy really... Nontendo

antz11044398d ago (Edited 4398d ago )

...or they could multiplat and have both? Yeah, theres that too. EDIT: And by that I mean own multiple consoles, lol.

Wolfbiker4398d ago

Nobody buys a console for multiplats....maybe multiplayer but not multiplats....that's mental.

SuperLupe4398d ago (Edited 4398d ago )

Dude I have a PS3 and I didnt care for 99% of the PS3 exclusives that came out last year except for UC3. I mean Twisted Metal came out not too long ago and I still have to even read a review or watch a gameplay trailer for it.

I dont give a damn if a game is exclusive or not, as long as it appeals me thats where I'll go.

Its pretty clear that its the same for tens of millions of gamers (360 anw Wii only owners) and dont forget the millions of PS3 owners who dont buy PS3 exclusives but only play FIFA/Madden/COD.

Theres a reason why so many multiplats sell better on the PS3 than PS3 exclusives.

mr_badhand4398d ago

Amen, exclusives are important but what is the point if they're not appealing.

Wii has the MOST exclusives out of all three systems, yet most of them are not what I would like to play.

Quality not quantity.

Imalwaysright4398d ago

If you really believe i what youre saying then why the hell are you buying consoles? Just build yourself a PC. Seriously buying consoles for multiplatforms is idiotic at most and i say this being mostly a console gamer. BTW i hope that you dont have a 360 as it would be a redundant piece of hardware to have and a waste of money,

AusRogo4398d ago

It might not sell more, but by god does the machine have some of the best exclusives! Proud owner since 07, and its still goin

mobhit4398d ago

Yep. I have nearly every PS3 exclusive in my library. I have all three uncharted games, all three Resistance games and both Little Big Planets.

So many exclusives to play....

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Microsoft Seemingly Closes Bethesda France

As part of its plans to cut 1,900 jobs, Microsoft has reportedly shut down operations at Bethesda France, letting go roughly 15 people

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Hereandthere6h ago

Microsoft should have left them stay 3rd party

GamerRN4h ago

If they are let go, they can be whatever they want. They ARE 3rd party now... 🤦

Barlos1h ago

Yeah, they're also jobless.

PassNextquestion6h ago(Edited 6h ago)

Bethesda France was made up of roughly 15 people... they couldn't of being doing much

Bethesda France mainly did publishing and marketing within the region

blacktiger4h ago

that's a shame for you to say that, i'm sure Elite loves hearing what you just said.

Profchaos6h ago(Edited 6h ago)

Bethesda France focused on publishing and marketing in the region. And 15 people lost their jobs as part of the closure.

I wonder if this is part of Microsoft's strategy to abandoned physical media or possibly gamepass advertising makes their roles redundant you don't need to market a game as hard when the majority of players get the game as part of a sub which already promoted upcoming games

Tacoboto6h ago

It's France too, there's a high likelihood only 1-2 people on the team even had an Xbox.

Profchaos5h ago

Possibly guven all the leaks we know the Xbox brand is really struggling in the region.

Yi-Long2h ago

Well, if your consoles and games are barely found in any stores any more, of course you're gonna struggle finding consumers ...

XiNatsuDragnel5h ago

Tbh Microsoft I think Bethesda being 3rd party same with Activision would probably more competitive than thus scenario imo

Profchaos3h ago(Edited 3h ago)

I think it would have been better for all parties really especially gamers

TheColbertinator4h ago

The recently purchased Activision French offices might take over all the licensing and marketing for Microsoft in France from now on.

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Sony Could Increase Your Game's Difficulty If It Sees You Complain About It

Sony has recently published a new patent that wants to dynamically handle the games' difficulty and gameplay based on the player's emotions.

jznrpg7h ago

This is something I might use. Sometimes I play some good games but they don’t have difficulty option and are a little too easy.

Profchaos7h ago

Souls games will be like that players struggling make it harder

PassNextquestion6h ago(Edited 6h ago)

I think if used correctly it could work well

jambola2h ago

cool idea
cool idea for horror games especially
the way it's explained here sounds like it could never be forced hopefully, so that's ok with me

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Xbox's Preservation Step Sets A Much-Needed Example, Especially For Nintendo

Hanzla from eXputer inquires: "If Xbox can care about preserving its games and legacy, what exactly is wrong with Nintendo, trying to kill game preservation single-handedly?"

purple10111d ago

Ahh yes the good old game preservation of saving all your games to a removable hhd on the Xbox 360, taking it round your mates house, setting up multiple tvs to
Be met with “save data corrupted, please re download”

Or how about removing 360 games
From the store
, download them now or else, and, better hope to god that save data doesn’t corrupt, or it’s lost for ever

Nice one ☝️

Zeref10d ago

It's better than what Nintendo and Playstation is doing. It might not be perfect but at least they are TRYING. Unlike the others.

DarXyde10d ago

Trying? Take off the blinders for a moment, mate.

1. A failure to preserve games is just that: a failure to preserve games. Don't try to sugarcoat it: NO ONE is doing it properly. Better than awful is nothing to write home about.

2. At the time of this comment, isn't it the case that you need an internet connection to play Xbox games even if you buy physical discs that are hardly in circulation anymore? I don't have a Series X and I can't verify, but I think that is correct. I'm fairly certain you can at least play PS5 games at version 1.0 (not much of a win really when many games require day one patches). I think Microsoft's all digital, licensing approach is by far more aggressive than anyone else's. They really try to push you to game pass where you lose your entire library by umm.... Skipping a month of payments.

I don't think anyone is doing it right whatsoever. Don't get me started on Nintendo, who goes after anyone looking to preserve their games better than they ever would with extreme litigation.

Don't be a simp for any of these companies. Get it together.

PhillyDonJawn10d ago (Edited 10d ago )

@DarX never speak on Xbox again. You lost all credibility with your internet connection comment. Smh you have 0 clue and misinformed yet speaking on something you don't no squat about.

Einhander197210d ago

What has Sony done exactly? You guys keep deflecting to Sony but I am not actually seeing any results, and ai am certain nothing that you can come up with even comes close to what Microsoft has done and what they have tried and failed to do, like tie all your disks to your account on xbone.

Microsoft removed their whole indie section when they moved to the xbone because they were going to only allow games on the service that came from a publisher, id@xbox started after xbone launched and it only exists because Sony embraced indie and Microsoft was forced to cancel their plans and reverse course.

And every single game that was part of games for windows live including disk games (I have gta 4 on disk that won't work) so hundreds of games that use that DRM no longer work unless the company themselves patched it out which of course very few did.

MrBaskerville10d ago

Not trying. Tried. they killed of the backcomp program years ago. They set something up again, but sounds like it's more of an attempt to save the current library on whatever they are planning next. With luck they save everything and more, but let's see. I could see them killing off parts of the OG xbox and 360 libraries. Can't imagine that they would allow us to play Forza 5-7 in the future.

With that said, I do like what they've done and really wish they could have done more.

shinoff218310d ago

Zeref

So killing off physical media is trying what exactly. Ms don't really give a fk if you think they do your kidding yourself.

Profchaos10d ago

They are not trying this team is established for forward compatability the team is. It interested in preserving Xbox or 360 games.

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isarai11d ago

Is that why Hellblade 2 is digital only?

Zeref10d ago

Just because it's digital only doesn't mean you can't preserve it. Just put it on an external and you have the exact same functionality of what a disc does.

MrNinosan10d ago

Guess you're trolling, but if you actually think that's how it works, I'd recommend buying some braincells.

mkis0079d ago (Edited 9d ago )

Volitile vs nonvolitile data. A disc will not corrupt either. A drive can be corrupted.

Einhander197211d ago

This is just a scammy PR move to distract from the fact they are going digital only and trying to push streaming and subscriptions only.

No gaming company has pushed harder to remove ownership than Microsoft.

Without discs there is no preservation, preservation can't be done by the rights holders it can only be done by the consumers, anything else is a lie.

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Einhander197211d ago

Anyone remember xblig which Microsoft removed their whole 360 indie section removing hundreds of games from people?

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Zeref10d ago

Do you know you can put your games on an external and preserve them that way? There are no benefits to discs. ZERO. Idk why some of you are still obsessed with them.

DarXyde10d ago

Because games like Persona 5 exist. It's STILL V1.00. On Playstation, that's a win because 1.00 is installed on the disc—no need to download anything.

If a game does not require any updates, it's all on the disc.

Extremely low bar in the modern era, of course. It's not much of a win by any stretch.

But for now, physical media does have a purpose, at least on Playstation.

Einhander197210d ago

That is factually not how game licensing works, try plugging your hard drive into someone else xbox, It's not going to work, and it won't work if the licensing servers ever go down.

Einhander197210d ago

Anyone remember games for windows live.

I have around a dozen games, some on Steam itself that will not work because Microsoft shut off the licensing servers.

BehindTheRows10d ago (Edited 10d ago )

I do. I STILL have games (Gears of War being the big one) I cannot access because Games for Windows LIVE is total garbage and no one has held Microsoft accountable.

Zeref10d ago (Edited 10d ago )

You don't have an Xbox apparently. Because you can 100 percent plug in your external and play games from it on any Xbox console lol. You just have to be logged in to prove ownership.

Chevalier10d ago

"You don't have an Xbox apparently. Because you can 100 percent plug in your external and play games from it on any Xbox console lol. You just have to be logged in to prove ownership."

Damn how many times do people got to explain your idiocy to you? You can take a copy of Persona 5 like someone used as an example and play that game on ANY console WITHOUT logging in which means I can lend the game to a friend without internet and they can play my game. Can you lend your hard drive to anyone without logging in for them to play? NOPE. That is a huge difference and if you think otherwise then sorry you're an idiot.

Tacoboto10d ago

"No gaming company has pushed harder to remove ownership than Microsoft."

Ubisoft is literally erasing games people bought from their libraries... My PS1-3 discs are useless on modern hardware. Nintendo's re-published and resold almost their entire Wii U library, and the eShop is completely dead with no BC mechanism in the Switch software. Microsoft publishes everything they make today day one on Steam and Xbox/Windows. Sony only brings to PC the titles they think you might want some years later and Nintendo won't even design a functional long-lasting joystick.

You're absolutely trolling and not serious if you think Microsoft today is the worst offender.

shinoff218310d ago

Yay steam

Not everyone fks with computers though. The disc is still the best way as a console player. Period.

Tacoboto10d ago

How do Sony and Nintendo feel about these discs from 2001-2013?

Don't be stupid, you know Xbox is the best at this today.

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Hofstaderman10d ago

Nobody wants this. Sales or the lack of it in the case of XBOX is very telling. I wonder how the adorably all digital series X will fare. Adorably dismal perhaps?

crazyCoconuts10d ago

Only time will tell, but for from someone like me suspecting that Xbox is trying to gracefully exit the console market, that "forward compatibility" team is trying to get Xbox games playing on Windows PCs. I mean, it's nice that they're not planning on exiting with a "enjoy your games while the hardware still works" message, so that's nice. They still have a brand to protect via Microsoft so probably feel obligated to have a better exit strategy.

Xeofate10d ago (Edited 10d ago )

That is not their plan, their plan is to transfer users accounts to the cloud.

Phil Spencer himself said as much a few months back, plans could have changed but I think people are reading way too much into one statement where Phil said he would allow Epic on xbox because he wants to be able to sell xbox games directly on other platforms. Aka, instead of selling Sea of Thives through PSN he wants to have an xbox store to sell his games on PlayStation without giving PlayStation any money.

Again, it's extremely unlikely that Phil plans to put PC on xbox and licensing would prevent them from just giving out other publishers games purchased on xbox copies of thier games on PC, Microsoft does not own their games.

crazyCoconuts9d ago

The thing that doesn't align with the cloud strategy is the giving up on exclusives. You'd still need strong exclusives for cloud streaming - it's still a "platform" , just with a lower upfront hardware investment. I feel like they've learned what PS learned with PSNow long ago. We're not ready to stream games and it's only gonna lose them money to try at this point

FinalFantasyFanatic10d ago

I would love that, I'd buy up some of the Xbox games if they could run on PC, like the Rare Replay, Lost Odyssey and Dead or Alive Ultimate, probably a pipe dream though.

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