Mind-Blowing MGS3 Theory (Spoilers)

The Indoctrination Theory has been a major point of debate over the past several weeks, with players arguing both for and against the Mass Effect 3 conspiracy. I’ve got a theory, too. Metal Gear Solid 3 isn’t exactly what it seems.

Oh, and spoilers abound, obviously.

[Amazingmrbrock]

Well it fits. I like it, and knowing hideo kojima it could rightly be possible. would draw the series in a nice even circle and explain why 3 was a prequel when the other games were totally in order, all of the fallowing solid snake.

Plus would leave room for some other awesome simulations later, I want to see a game of The Boss.

The whole series could even be meta meta meta and be a clone of snake/big boss reliving his whole life in order to bring him back. Recorded by nano machines or something, it's all stuff that can be written in and kojima is zany enough to do it.

[crxss]

great read! definitely possible knowing Kojima. Theory explains why Solid Snake salutes The Boss's gravestone in the beginning of MGS4 having not known her. MGS3 is hands down the best in the series.

[MrMister]

Dude you 1000% sure it was THE Boss's grave and not Big Boss's?

[ajay_solidsnake]

Like Desmond, Solid is reliving BigBoss's memories.
Right ??? :p

[MrMister]

The S3 simulations are the most interesting things about MGS story. Also, look at how they took excellent soldiers like Grey Fox, Olga (mgs2), and Raiden and turned them into cyborgs. Could that be another plan of the patriots, which would extend the story? Also the VR missions theory ould very well explain why MGS 3 had the name Solid in it's title, even though it's apparently about Big Boss. Also peace Walker got really deep into the subject of AI. Is it possible that Kojima is setting up Dr. Strangelove to be the architect of the future S3 simulations?

I love MGS....

[Wintersun616]

The "Solid" doesn't come from Solid Snake, they added it when they went 3D with MGS1 and got "solid" objects in the game or something like that. Google it for a better explanation.

[Clarence]

No. Solid was add when MG2 Solid Snake was released in Japan in 1990. MG series was originally created for the MSX2 computer in Japan. It was then ported to the Nintendo.

Naked Snake or Big Boss is the original Snake. Then there's Solid and Liquid.

[VonBraunschweigg]

You're both kind of right. The 1st game was called "Metal Gear", the 2nd "Metal Gear 2 Solid Snake", with Solid Snake as a subtitle to the game, not the series. Even then that was "Tactical Espionage Action", a qualitystamp MGS:Rising won't receive. It's not "Metal Gear Solid: Snake" or something. With the PS1 game the series was renamed to it's current name MGS, on MSX it was MG.

MSX was pretty big in Europe to but the original cartridges were often hard to get. I played a copy of MG on 3.5 floppydisk, and the game would randomly crash when you entered the elevator. Perhaps only fair:) Even back in '87 Kojima had you guessing. The whole game you take orders from Big Boss, but in the end he commands you to "switch off your MSX". Great stuff.

Edit: weren't there 3 clones, 3 enfant terribles with Solidus Snake being the 3rd? I hated Raiden so much I didn't pay enough attention I'm afraid.

[Wintersun616]

Seems like I didn't remember it exactly correctly, but it wasn't too far from the truth.

"Kojima retitled the game Metal Gear Solid, choosing this over the working title Metal Gear 3. This was due to the fact that he believed that the first two MSX2 games in the series were not very well known.[40] He used the word 'Solid' which was chosen due to the game being the third installment in the series, and because it uses 3D computer graphics.[41] Sequels to this game also use the Metal Gear Solid title, and follow a new numeral progression."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

@VonBraunschweigg,

That's exactly what I was trying to say, you just managed to explain it better. Bubs for helpful. :)

[clank543]

In MGS5, you'll just be controlling Solid Snake while he's playing MGS1.

[Soldierone]

It's interesting and could be an easy way for Kojima to tie things together, but overall I think its looking a little too far into it.

I mean the time parodox things etc happen simply because MGS2 already happened. If Kojima allowed you to kill Ocelot, or to let Snake die completely, then the story wouldn't flow correctly with MGS2. its a simple mechanic. I believe the game also explains what the meaning is to virtuous mission too.

Plus I kinda think he didn't really have an idea for MGS4 just yet and wanted to open up more of the book, so he went into the past. Tons of creative writers do this all the time, its common formula and takes rather a lot of skill to make it work almost flawlessly like Kojima did.

[VonBraunschweigg]

Ah, the Ocelot paradox:) I assume most players already unlocked that particular Trophy, if not than move along...great humor, I wonder if it was Kojima or Bluepoint Games that came up with

"Problem solved, series over"

I just couldn't stop laughing when that text popped up. One reason I never check on available Tropies before finishing a game.

[Slugg3r]

One thing that breaks the theory in the case MGS3 is relationship between Snake and The Boss. There was definitely history between The Boss and Snake. There is no way Solid would have asked the same questions or felt the same way if he was in VR simulation of the operation snake eater. I mean the Boss's betrayal, the ending, everything would be different if it was really Solid instead of BB.

[Fez]

It could have been Solid just re-playing the events as they happened, like the assassins creed universe.

The more I think about this theory the more I like it. I don't think Kojima and the writers intended it to be that way (since there would be more references and maybe even a full explanation by now) but it's a cool idea and not too far fetched for the series.

[Nelson M]

I love Metal Gear

[Jio]

My brain...I think it's broken...