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It's come to this: Why I'm suing Sony

Bitmob Community Writer Ed Grabowski: I never expected Sony to lie and use manipulative advertising to try and convince me to buy a PS Vita. Yet, that is exactly what they did.

Tolkoto4405d ago

My brother had the same disappointment with the lack of Super Stardust HD. He's not suing, though :)

I'm interested to see where this goes, if anywhere.

Dir_en_grey4405d ago

The thing is, it wasn't even fine print.

It was clearly stated on the bonus sticker:
"AT&T Data Session And A Downloadable Game WITH ACTIVATION"

I don't get how this guy calls himself "journalist" if he can't even read properly...

FriedGoat4405d ago (Edited 4405d ago )

(Aimed at author) Sorry but this guy is a douche. For one complaining about the Vita being pricey? Moron. So what if you wait a month, it does not say get game INSTANTLY. I bought my Vita and got wipeout after I topped up £5 and I had to wait a few hours. I didn't moan because wipeout didnt magically appear straight away. Buy a retail game you cheapskate. SSHD is like £7 quid and he's moaning like a little girl.
Also if you sue, Good luck ever getting on PSN again hah.

gamingdroid4405d ago (Edited 4405d ago )

I don't know if it is worth suing over, but to be fair to the guy, the wording "With Activation" doesn't clearly say that a purchase or payment is required since an "activation" doesn't necessarily mean it has to be paid service.

AT&T themselves don't use wording like that, as they often use something to the effect of "with 2-year service agreement".

In short, "activation" is ambiguous and can see how a person not familiar with how these services work can be confused.

darthv724405d ago

You can either forgo the use of the data service and buy the game itself for $10 or pay $15 and get the game and 2mos of service.

I'll take the later of the two and just not renew once the time is up. I dont plan on using the 3g anyways but it is nice to have if I ever got the urge to do so later on.

Here is a question. I saw that motorstorm was available for free to vita owners. I dont have my vita yet but I did dl the game to my ps3 for later when I do. Is it the full game or some special edition version that would pale in comparison to the full version?

fear884405d ago

Title should read "Self Professed Educated Gamer and Consumer Fails to Read Retail Box. Sues Sony because he can."

Seriously. If you are an educated consumer, you don't fail to read the box or the printed material. This poor dunce is just making himself more of a public fool.

Exquisik4405d ago

I hate ill-informed journalist like this Ed Grabowski. It is because of journalist like him that consumers are misinformed.

I have taken several pictures of my 3G bundles just to prove how ill-informed this journalist is.

Here is a picture of the box with the label on it.
http://tinypic.com/view.php...

A close-up of the label
http://tinypic.com/view.php...

As you can see, it says "With Activation." You may perceive it as however it may deems fit to you, but to me it means free downloadable game with activation, ergo you must activate the service for the free downloadable game.

In the inside, there's a little flyer with information on how to activate the ATT DataConnect and get the 2nd month free of ATT DataConnect. There is also a disclaimer, which I'm sure no one read.
http://tinypic.com/view.php...

And there's also another ATT DataConnect flyer (more like mini-booklet), except this one shows you how to get the free game.
http://tinypic.com/view.php...

The inside of it
http://tinypic.com/view.php...

And on number "3." it specifically stated that a game voucher code may be redeemable "30 days after your DataConnect Pass activation."

SilentNegotiator4405d ago (Edited 4405d ago )

My word. That's the saddest lack of basic reading skills I have ever seen from any sort of journalist.

His words: "Nowhere, not even in the fine print, did it say that I had to pay to get these promised bonuses"

What was on the box in large print, that he acknowledges reading: "8GB Memory Card, AT&T Data Session And A Downloadable Game With Activation For A Limited Time Only"

Sad. I hope he loses thousands in court fees for wasting so many people's time.

"And that was that. Sony had made it clear that they had no intention of admitting they had manipulated me. Lied to me. Used me. They were willing to lose my business forever over $10"
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They didn't give you a free game because you did absolutely nothing to deserve it. You can't read properly. You can't understand a basic sentence with simple structure. The sticker was clear as day. You even said that you read the darn thing. Sigh....

You activate a paid service, you pay for the service. Get a BRAIN.

Anon19744405d ago

What's stopping him from taking it back? Confused? Fine. Take it back and ask for a refund. Most places will take back merchandise like this within two weeks, no questions asked.

Or, you could just whine and expose your lack of basic comprehension skills to the entire world and go ahead with a lawsuit. To each his own...

LastDance4405d ago

Blizzard have been pulling that trick for years with WOW.

Old news

miyamoto4405d ago

Don't take these morons seriously they are told to write crap like these for a living. They are in for the page clicks.

xursz4405d ago

Author looks at his articles on the front page of N4G with a huge grin on his face.

antz11044405d ago

Wow, this guy has flamed the website not once, but twice in a day with Sony hate. Front page no less, thats a feat.

gaffyh4404d ago

bitmob's non-existent credibility just went into negative figures.

irepbtown4404d ago (Edited 4404d ago )

A bit stuck up his ass this guy is...

Krakn3Dfx4404d ago

He's not a journalist, he's a blogger who writes poorly researched and constructed op ed pieces. Don't confuse self-dillusion with actual ability.

Dee_914404d ago (Edited 4404d ago )

haha bitmob pumping them out
story quality WTF
like this website? NO
g'day to you

edit: dear god please stop calling him a journalist even in an ironic way its still derogatory to real journalist.
editX2: wat Krakn3Dfx said

Diver4404d ago

dang bitemob that's two sony attack articles this week.

people should be aware bitemob was founded by dan hsu the editor that ran egm into the ground.

four months after the ps3 launched hsu chose the cover of egm showing a ps3 with a tomato slammed against it asking 'what went wrong'. the ps3 hadn't launched in the eu but was still outselling the 360 and he asks what went wrong.

where was the cover with the ms rrod billion dollar debacle asking what went wrong?

has any mistake in gaming ever cost a billion bucks? how often does any company in any field ever make a billion dollar mistake?

hsu wrote in his column that he laughed at the sony execs when he showed them the upcoming cover of egm. yeah dan hsu real objective pro - not.

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Nimblest-Assassin4405d ago

And this is why you buy the wifi only edition.

TBM4405d ago

i understand the flyer as i would get the 2nd data month free from at&t, and i would get the voucher from them, but i call to make sure and they said call sony.

i did and they said code would be sent out 30 days after the free activation of data plan. i said ok and moved on with my life as im patient enough to wait.

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kikizoo4405d ago

Oh look, "bitmob" again, after "the playstation brand should die"...

poor desperate fanboyz...or worst, employees for propaganda marketing.

callahan094404d ago

It's not false advertising. The words "With Activation" in the statement are where this writer misconstrued the meaning of the advertisement. The statement on the box said:

"Over $55 Bonus Value. 8GB Memory Card, AT&T Data Session And A Downloadable Game With Activation For A Limited Time Only."

Again, the important part here is: "AT&T Data Session And A Downloadable Game WITH ACTIVATION."

This means that "Activation" is a pre-requisite for receiving the free data session & downloadable game.

What did he think "Activation" meant? Activation generally means that you're beginning a new service, and that costs money. I think the implication here is that when you sign up for 3G service, you get a free month ADDED ON to your service, and you get a free downloadable game code.

It makes perfect sense, to me.

It's like those DirecTV ads that say "Sign up and get HBO free for 6 months." It's not like you can just say "Here, I'm signing up for the free HBO." No, you have to sign up for their service, pay them for their service, and then along with that, you get free HBO.

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Eddie201014404d ago

The sticker on the box says with activation, also there are two flyers inside that expalin everything very well. He has no case and I doupt he is going to sue Sony. He is just grandstanding and trying to get hits.

Even if he did not completley understand the sticker on the outsideof the box there is no excuse for not reading or understanding the well explained and detailed flyers inside the box.

killcycle4404d ago

how comment 1.1.2 got 34 disagree's is beyond me

otherZinc4404d ago

SONY should sue Ed; for buying multiple PS Consoles when they didn't & dont have good co-op games that would make someone buy 3 PS, 3 PS2'S, & 3 PS3's: WTF? Nut!

SONY has done this for years & people are now just learning this, well good. Now, Don't be fooled by SONY again.

StraightPath4404d ago

ps vita 3g model is not even worth it anyways.

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fluffydelusions4405d ago

Must be from the US...

BTW so am I and sue happy individuals sadden me :(

Hicken4405d ago

The worst part is that he's too stupid to realize he wasn't promised anything free in the first place.

Conzul4405d ago

He isn't stupid. The wording on the outside of the box made ME, as well, think that I would receive both a free month and a free game.

You're not calling *me* stupid . . . are you?

live2play4404d ago

Conzul
2 stupids make a right

Conzul4404d ago

@CaCl well that's a shame: With your contribution we now have one too many.

irepbtown4404d ago

Conzul, this is MARKETING. To try your best to get the consumers to buy your products. Even if it is worded weird you need to use common sense.

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WrAiTh Sp3cTr34405d ago

I guess he's adamantly suing them because he wants to continue buying their products. I personally wouldn't sue if I had such a situation happen with a company that doesn't hold a track record with me. If I've been a loyal customer for a significant amount of time along with spending substantial amounts of money on their products and they treat me in such a way that was done in this person's case- then yes, suing would be a thought that would cross my mind.

THR1LLHOUSE4405d ago

I don't wanna encourage throwing lawsuits around...but if there really wasn't any fine print and if Sony really did treat him like this, I don't blame him for being pissed. I certainly would be.

Game4life4405d ago

The only people I would ever sue would be the people withholding content and releasing day 1 dlc but even that wellI don't buy those games so it doesn't matter to me

But man does this author sound like a little stuck up B1#^%

THR1LLHOUSE4404d ago

"But man does this author sound like a little stuck up B1#^% "

Says the guy who'd sue over Day 1 DLC....

Game4life4404d ago

and i also don't buy those games to begin with so it doesnt matter to me. as I said above. For example. I refuse to buy a bioware game simply due to the fact of how much dlc is released right at launch. Exclusion of content and all another example is capcom. i love capcom and all but they have really becomea bloody rose in that aspect. They make good games, then sell dlc that is on disc for a ridiculously high price.

Call me what you want buyti think its stupid that developers put out day one dlc for a game and expect people to buy it when all they are doing is withholding content. What happened to the good ol days where youd just buy a game and enjoy it without the need for dlc day 1 to get the full package? (im fine with dlc so long as its not right around the launch of a game) you can tell me that its just "bonus content" but in all reality it is not

ziggurcat4404d ago

there wasn't any *fine* print... it was *large* print.

and this would be like suing the director of drive because you felt that you didn't get enough action - utterly stupid.

B-Real2064405d ago (Edited 4405d ago )

I find it weird that a journalist didn't know about the "small print". I pretty sure if he visited N4G or the PS Blog/Forum he would have know about this before he went to the store. It was kind of misleading but I think most people are smart enough to know that nothing is free. The "free month and game" were to pull you into using a Att data plan and paying for it.

In the age of internet it's not very hard to research a product before you buy it.
I would take it as a lesson learned. Anyways, to each their own. I hope your path leads you to the outcome that you desire.

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Sony Taps Bungie's Head of Revenue to Lead Live-Service Games

Sony has recruited Bungie's head of revenue Jaremy Rich to head up its live-service gaming division, Rich has announced on social media.

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ChasterMies13d ago

Please do not put Destiny’s monetization into Sony’s first party games. The monetization is what’s driving players away from Destiny.

just_looken13d ago

The new temp boss is the sony cfo bean counter so i can see this being a thing get every penny.

Cacabunga13d ago

PlayStation officially losing it.. fans will never support gaas games

just_looken13d ago

@car

The new boss did a interview in japan he wants to tap into the mobile market like nintendio so he give 0 fucks about gamers/fans

https://www.pushsquare.com/...

Redemption-6413d ago

@Cacabunga
You only speak for you and those who think like you, but most fans will support what they want. Playstation and PC fans are literally supporting Helldivers 2 and that is a gaas. Maybe you wouldn't, but many more would if they like it.

Huey_My_D_Long13d ago

@Redemption-64
Look, Im not making any judgement calls about this guy, but I will say that Helldivers 2 GaaS model is unique to Helldivers, and legit the only other game I can think of thats similiar was the Avengers game except HD2 pass is still better.
The fact that you can earn in game currency in a way that doesnt make you feel like you have to grind forever, as well you being able work on that pass that you bought...on your own time without a time limit...that right there is fucking huge to me, and I can't name any game other than avengers that avoided trapping players with FOMO logic...I think GaaS on HD2 shouldn't be compared to the rest of the industry...it should be copied.

Einhander197213d ago

Cacabunga

Helldivers 2...

Redemption-64

In Europe it's a 60 40 split favoring PC.
In the US its a 60 40 split favoring PS5.

So PlayStation owners supported the game just fine, it's not getting carried by PC or anything like that.

FinalFantasyFanatic13d ago

@just_looken,
I'm perfectly fine with the way Nintendo entered the mobile market, I never touched their mobile games, meanwhile, the console/handheld stayed the way it is. As for being a bean counter, he's probably going to reel in these massive budgets that Sony's studios have had lately, I haven't played Spiderman 2, but I cannot see how they almost tripled the budget for that game.

@Redemption-64,
That's an exception to the rule, I'm expecting a lot of these GAAS games from Sony to fail, to be fair, they only need a few to succeed, but I would have preferred that they put more of their resources into other types of games.

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DivineHand12513d ago

True their monetization is driving players away and at the same time, their decision to chop out content and convoluted systems is keeping new players away from the game.

Joe91313d ago

I don't think that will happen based on how things worked out at Naughty Dog now that we know what we do, seems they had the option to fully commit to live service games or stay making single player experences so they gave up on their live service game. We are not sure how things came about with Bend making a live service game but I hope that was not a forced situation. Sony doesnt seem like they are forcing studios to switch up but we will see, Sony's bread and butter is single player games it is how they dominated the console market.

Obscure_Observer13d ago

Yeah, I though Sony learned something from all their failures in the LS segment under Bungie´s disastrous leadership and supervision which led to games been cancelled, studios closed and all the people laid off.

Looks like Bungie still plays a major role in Sony´s LS initiative and Sony is not backtracking on their GaaS plans.

S2Killinit13d ago (Edited 13d ago )

Are we forgetting that Destiny is also a highly successful franchise? I feel like that definitely deserves mention here.

Besides, there is no reason why a person cant learn from past experiences.

Joe91312d ago

I agree, people act as if Destiny flopped when it came out lol it took 9 to 10 years for the numbers to fall yet people are still playing it add the success of Helldivers 2 no wonder Sony is going forward down this path.

S2Killinit12d ago

Personally, I see no problem with Sony also having service games as long as they make good ones, and more importantly they deliver the AAA story driven games that they are known for. So yeah, I agree 100% with you.

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Christopher13d ago

I mean, this person made some pretty bad decisions at Bungie. I hope they've learned from them because I definitely don't see those type of ideas as good for PlaySation in general.

CrimsonWing6912d ago (Edited 12d ago )

Honestly, what’s to learn from? How to make people happily continuously dump money into a single game over its life-time? Buy season passes continuously for several years with a smile on our faces?

GaaS is a design decision that is everything wrong with this industry. The fact that Helldivers 2 did so well and people defend the monetization because it was $40 and is a fun game, scares the sh*t out of me to see that the door is open and all shift will probably be to replicate that in future games. We already know the ROI for traditional game dev cost isn’t doing it for them.

I thought with Jimbo leaving we’d see a change for the better… I’m not so sure now.

S2Killinit12d ago

Service games are being offered by everyone. Sony cannot afford to only create single player AAA games. No one can. They already said they will be doing both.

Abnor_Mal13d ago (Edited 13d ago )

Ps5 gamers in 2023 seemed to play more live service types of games, so regardless to how people feel about them, numbers don’t lie and Sony is going where the money is. I mean look at the excitement around Helldivers2, people are showing that they want live service games.

Christopher13d ago

They play long-time existing live service games like CoD, Fortnite, Apex Legends, Destiny 2, and the like. Mass majority of new live service games are considered failures and aren't moving gamers away from older games.

just_looken13d ago

Yep the huge issue with live service is they need paid players along with a reason to play them.

You forgot mobile market that also taps into that player base as well as the eve online style games there is only a certain amount of krakens/whales blind supporters compared to the amount of live service games we have its not sustainable math wise.

700 restaurants making food for every seat for 1000-3000 eaters just does not work out

Einhander197213d ago (Edited 13d ago )

Christopher

I am not a big live service fan and literally own zero of the games you listed, but that is not true, unless you call games that aren't the top games to be failures.

There are tons of live service games that are profitable.

Games don't have to be the biggest game ever they just need to make more than they cost.

I challenge you to show professionally prepared data that shows that more live service games fail than make enough to keep going.

Because all the data that I have seen shows that live service is less of a gamble than making a big AAA budget game which needs to survive off retail sales.

FinalFantasyFanatic13d ago

I sometimes wonder if we're at saturation point, where it's hard for a new game to join those ranks unless it's particularly exceptional, people only have so much time and money to devote to these types of games.

romulus2313d ago

Correction, they have no issue playing good live service games

shinoff218313d ago

Lol it's not even a quarter of the ps5s sold. Helldivers may have been a hit but let's not say most are enjoying it because truth is most(the real most ) don't care about it.

S2Killinit12d ago (Edited 12d ago )

I play what is fun. If a live service game is good I’ll play it as long as its not a money scheme which Helldivers is not.

And Im a single player gamer.

mastershredder13d ago

How do you kill a franchise that already been killed?
Destiny’s grind, cash-in-on-playbass-cha-Ching, and pop-culture-insertion mainstream-me-too bs totally killed any rep Bungie had. Sony/Bungie, if you are doing this to ward-off players, it’s already working.

crazyCoconuts13d ago

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Sony May Soon Let You Decide How Much NPCs Talk In Games

Sony has patented to add multiple dialogue modes to let players switch between how many conversations with NPCs they want in the game.

blackblades19d ago

Sony is like the only ones outta the 3 that has atuff like like this pop up changing thing in ways.

just_looken19d ago

Sony in the past has always been first at bat with new ideas/tech but in the end never fully use it or just toss it away.

blackblades19d ago

I think they did use some but yeah most usually never happened but at least they thought about it. Sony seeks things like this and other, Nintendo seek different ways of playing going by there different controler designs and console designs.

just_looken19d ago (Edited 19d ago )

some of the other stuff sony want's/owns never used
https://gamerant.com/sony-p...
https://gamerant.com/sony-p...
https://www.eurogamer.net/s...
https://metro.co.uk/2023/03...
https://decrypt.co/114754/s...

monitor/adjust game difficultly as you play
https://www.techradar.com/g...

Sony nfts
https://www.theblock.co/pos...

Pay ai to play the game for you
https://thebusinessofesport...

Oh all the above last 12 months

I just imagine a evil scientist with test subjects when it comes down to sony recent patent reports.

Kaii19d ago

Will we get dialogue options that won't spoil puzzles in a matter of seconds? :p

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Judge rules in PlayStation's favour in $500m patent infringement lawsuit

Genuine Enabling Technology was seeking damages, claiming the tech allowing PlayStation consoles and controllers to communicate infringes its rights.

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S2Killinit21d ago

Big victory for Sony. And a long time coming.

DarXyde21d ago (Edited 21d ago )

Crazy to think the savings from this lawsuit allows them to develop one AAA game.

Make it Bloodborne 2, please and thank you.

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Profchaos21d ago

Sounds like patent trolling they tried the same thing against Nintendo with the same pattern.

Motion and control input traversing over higher and lower frequencies seperate from each other allowing the controller to do both

Pyrofire9521d ago

Patents suck. Most of them are complete garbage.

Knightofelemia21d ago

So to recoup the money Genuine is going to take on Nintendo or Microsoft next. I hate patent lawyers they are some of the worst bottom feeders out there.

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