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What gamers really think of PS Vita

PlayStation Universe goes into the heart of its community to discover what the early adopters of Vita really think about it.

supremacy4419d ago (Edited 4419d ago )

The vita is a very good platform.

My only wish is, I wish it was cheaper and included a memory card to boot.

Why? Simply because I want more people to own this device and gain development support.

If the vita were to undergo a redesign of some form or shape I would simply build it with built in memory like the go and drop the price on that bad boy. Also, I feel the current analog sticks are limited, if I were to redesign these, I would go with something similar to whats found on them Sega dreamcast controllers.

As it currently stands, Sony should be wise and price match the 3DS at $160.00 with the wifi only model and include a 4gb memory card in the deal.

Then price the 3G model at $180.00 with an 8gb memory card stick.

As for the games? Those will sell themselves once the platform is in more hands.

TheFirstClassic4419d ago

When sony drops the price, I doubt it will be equal to Nintendo's price drop. Maybe a 50 dollar drop, it doesn't really make sense to sell the Vita for the same as the 3ds when it has more powerful hardware.

joeorc4419d ago

100% agreement

"it doesn't really make sense to sell the Vita for the same as the 3ds when it has more powerful hardware."

not just more powerful, it's way more powerful!

just by chipsts alone.

to put this in perspective, the upgrade of the PS3 over the PS2.was a very large upgrade hardware wise

The Jump of the PSVita over the Nintendo 3DS is far greater than many gamer's may realize.

for one to put this into perspective the GPU's in each machine. the Nintendo 3DS has two total core GPU's one for each screen.

PICA 200 here is the official spec's for each GPU core that's in the Nintendo 3DS

http://www.dmprof.com/relea...

PLEASE NOTE:
maximum 15.3 million polygons/sec@ 200 MHz
Pixel fillrate Maximum 800 million pixels/sec@ 200 MHz

while quite impressive for each of those GPU cores this far pales in comparison to what the PSVita GPU is capable of.

the GPU that's in the PSVita is a PowerVR

Series5XT (SGXMP)

(four cores) 133M polygon/s @200 MHz

exceeding requirements of OpenGL 2.0 and up to DirectX 10.1 Shader Model 4.1

even the Iphone 4 has a better GPU than what's in the 3DS dual Core GPU an the PSVita stomps even the Iphone 4S an the Ipad 2 an even is more than capable of beating the brand new Ipad 3 in performance

which has
Dual-core Apple A5X custom-designed, high-performance, low-power system-on-a-chip with quad-core graphics.

the PSVita has a quad core CPU an Quad core GPU.

not only is the 3DS far an away outclassed in spec's in performance there would be no contest.

to even say that the PSVita need's to be priced the same as the Nintendo 3DS is like saying you need to price a lamborghini spyder "the PSVita" the same as the ford taurus "the Nintendo 3DS"

Quite Unrealistic to expect for not only Sony to do that, but for any company to do that.

that's just being Unrealistic.

joeorc4419d ago

"My only wish is, I wish it was cheaper and included a memory card to boot."

Why? Simply because I want more people to own this device and gain development support.

"Sony should be wise and price match the 3DS at $160.00 with the wifi only model and include a 4gb memory card in the deal."

while i understand where you are coming from, i think your being a little to unrealistic.

to price match the 3DS is not in the cards, An by all right's it should not Be priced the same. The reason being what tech in the PSVita an what Tech that is in the Nintendo 3DS are not anywhere near each other in their hardware spec's.

Now I know many would Say the Spec's do not really matter it's the Game's that matter. Thats a sound advice, but also if you want to be honest about it, Spec's do provide a machine to be able to do certain thing's better.

Development Support for the PSVita is not like that of the PSP, for one the PSVita has unified development platform that frankly is way cheap enough to allow HomeBrew developer's to be able to make games for the PSVita, without breaking the bank. starting at $99.00 a year is very reasonable to development cost's.This worry about less development studios for the PSVita I think is way to early to bring up as a lynchpin for the PSVita not doing enough to secure Development for the Machine. I mean $99.00 a year is way more reasonable to develop on the thing when you do not even need a Development kit at all to test an debug. you can use the PC simulator with the SDK.

This real IDEA about the PSVita was an is about mainly the Price, the blank memory cards may be a little higher, but that's mainly to offset piracy, no on boad memory once again to off set piracy. Remember what happened to the PSP, even the PSPGo people waited to buy the unit, until mainly it was to the point no store would carry it. an the simple reason is perception!.

Many gamer's today want alot for less money, nothing wrong with that. In my opinion it's really all boil's down to a perception of the product. Many Gamer's today Value Sony products less valuable than Nintendo an Microsoft again nothing wrong with that at it's core, it's where many view that is mainly perception not the true value of what the product is worth.

I would say it's more about Sony should price their product because of some massive perceived loss of market share is so great that the systems that Sony put's out is less viable of a choice for the gamer in the market.

look at the PS3 for even though it was the most Expensive system on the market, the value perceived of the PS3 was it's way too expensive for it's value in the market, that was one of the main complaints about it. even to this day many still think the PS3 is not worth the cost, an would like to see it priced much lower. The truth of the matter really is many feel the need to think unless your the top selling system in the market your somehow less viable of a choice.

Im not saying there is not some truth to that, what i am going to say it's being blown way out of proportion for this market, the point is there is mainly three, count them Three companies that make dedicated game consoles! in a race in contest's being last in a three person race is not very much of a Loss!

Its mainly a Perception about the product's worth more than what that product is really worth.

Today it seem's many gamer's want the price of a luxury high end spec'ed game system far lower than what it's worth.Which there is nothing wrong with that at it's core, I just think that's being a little bit Unrealistic.

supremacy4419d ago (Edited 4419d ago )

I agree with your comment, like I always do. However I am not questioning the vita and its impressive specs. But ultimately the vita is just a gaming device in the field of gaming, where other gaming alternatives require less and are proving to not only be cheaper but just as valuable.

Its crazy to think how the times have changed, today people are not only pirating games and movies of connected devices, but also getting similar experiences for cheaper elsewhere.

For example "alpha drift" a vita launch ip and an old iphone game at a much lower price with the same fidelity and presentation.

Look even the so call analysts are all saying the obvious, if the vita is to succeed in todays market, it has to reach a mass market price point.

Had the vita or even the xperia play launched years ago in psp's place, things would have been different.

I rather Sony take in the losses now and gain market share at a rapid rate than sit there and pretend everything is good. I am not in anyway suggesting that Nintendo's product is equal to theirs. However they are practically fighting the same fight for the same market.

The numbers dont lie, and based on that you can clearly see where peoples money, time, effort and acceptance is going towards.

The vita is one if not the best gaming handheld gaming has to offer. So personally I dont care about the perception of value as much as I do about success. Ive been gaming on PlayStation since 95 and seen how succesful this brand has been. All I want is for the vita to share the kind of success the psone and ps2 did and not the kind the psp and ps3 has thus far.

For this to happen, Sony has to be willing to take the hit and simply price their patforms cheaper.

joeorc4419d ago

while i understand your concern, like i have stated this before. The landscape of the Gameing market is not like it was 10 year's ago. the Market share you mention is a good example of how thing's have changed. Its perception of that Market share that maybe many are not quite grasping. think of it this way.Many year's ago Sony sold both the Playstation1 an the Playstation 2 to what many would say steller sales.

example:
The first console in the series, the PlayStation, was the first video game console to ship 100 million units after 9 years and 6 months of its initial launch. the Playstation 2 beat that number by selling to date, having reached over 150 million units sold as of January 31, 2011.

but yet even when both Nintendo an Sony have sold their game systems in the multiple number Million's . the Smartphone industry far an away dwarf's those sale number's what it took for over 9 years worth of sales to reach. Smartphones are reaching those number's in less than 2 year's. an that's not including even Apple's number's into the Mix.

just because smartphones are larger in sales an the majority of sales software is game's on them does not mean the market share of game systems are not any less viable. On the same token just because Sony's Handheld game system does not sell as much as Nintendo's 3DS does not make it anyless viable as a choice for developer's. The reason this time is Two fold.

the Hand Held game systems are not Static. they gain Firmware updates that add functionality as your platform ages, instead of being less viable they are more useful than they first started. not just for games but for more applications for entertainment. Netflicks on handhelds is a prime example. remember it's not so much looking for upfront sales it's to keep the consumer using an buying content for the device from your existing userbase.

their competeing for your entertainment free time.

the 2nd part is Sony has a unified development platform that operates not only on smartphones but it also works on the PSVita. less upfront cost's to developer's the point is those very same iphone developer's an Android smartphone developer's that make application's can set their game or non game application to run on the PSVita also with little to no real cost's for investment. Its like leaving more money on the table.

Sony's priced the PSVita inline with what "CONVERGENCE" Devices are today.

both the Nintendo 3DS an PSVita are not just game machine's anymore, yes the main function an design direction is gaming, but they like the smartphones an tablets that are now more prominent in the gaming market due to their convergence into this gaming market, Has changed along with the trend's.

Sales are one thing but loosing too much market share is another.The point is both Sony an Nintendo the market share in the handheld game industry is not like it was many year's ago. it's better to be profitable in the game handheld industry than fight for a market share dominance that has been lost to the smartphone a long time ago. Sony knows this why do you think the made the Playstation Suite for in the first place.

its for the long haul of software sales, which is the whole point. the cost to make software for the PSVita is really cheap enough that even homebrew developer's can make software for it.

Schonn4419d ago

I have a Vita, and I think it's pretty awesome, but what I really want is a wider selection of games. Don't get me wrong though, the launch line-up is good and all but as of right now, there isn't really anything released that interests me (the game I really look forward to is Gravity Rush). Of course, because the Vita is so new, it's only natural that there isn't a lot of games for it yet. Can't wait till June though, that's when a ton of promising looking games come out!

rezzah4419d ago

The games currently out now hold my interest, but not for long. I need to take a break before I go back and play them.

I'm waiting for a game that will want me to come back and play more.

Something like Monster Hunter!

bakagaijin784419d ago (Edited 4419d ago )

I have the wi-fi model and I'm really enjoying it so far. Navigating through games/applications is simple and intuitive (love the touch-screen) and the dual analog sticks are great for games. I feel like its a PS3 combined with an ipod touch and I love that.

My only gripe is that it can be uncomfortable to play games on after a decent length of time. When switching between using the analog sticks, buttons, touch-screen and also the touch-pad on the back, it can be awkward. However, I suspect that it might be because the system is rather large (much larger then I expected) and my hands are pretty small. I'm a woman so my hands are obviously smaller then a man.

I'm also anxious for some new games to come out for it. Most of the current offerings aren't really my taste, but I do love Uncharted (I'm actually liking it better than Uncharted 3), Plants vs Zombies, and I have a few PSP games that work on it too.

Can't wait for Disgaea 3 and I'll probably pick up the upcoming Resistance game. I'm also hoping that Persona 4 gets a North American release too.

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70 percent of devs unsure of live-service games sustainability

With so many games fighting for players' attention and interest losing out over time, time sink games are at risk of eventually losing steam.

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thorstein2d ago

It was worrisome to begin with.

It's a niche genre with only a handful of hits that can stand the test of time.

Cacabunga1d 5h ago

I like the sound of that!! I will for sure never support these gaas games.
Sony must be shocked at gamer's reaction, making them cancel a few of these and hopefully go back to the good heavy hitters they had us used to..
now bring on that PSPro reveal and show us some SP 1st party awesomeness.

CrimsonWing692d ago

What’s to be unsure of!? Look at the ratio of success to failure!

DarXyde1d 8h ago

It's pretty ridiculous.

Imagine having a breadth of data at your disposal to see the statistically low success rate of these games, only to be laser focused on the exceptional case studies.

shinoff21832d ago

Yes. Stop all the live service bs.

jznrpg2d ago

Only a few will catch on. You need a perfect storm to be successful in GaaS and a bit of luck on top of that. But a potential cash cow will keep them trying and some will go out of business because of it.

MIDGETonSTILTS171d 23h ago

Helldivers 2 manages just fine…

Keep production costs low… don’t just make custscenes until the mechanics and enemies are perfected first.

Make so much content that you can drip extra content for years, and the game already feels complete without them.

Most importantly: make weapons, enemies, levels, and mechanics that will stand the test of 1000 hours. This might require more devs embracing procedurally generated leveled, which I think separates Helldivers 2 from Destiny’s repetitiveness.

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The Battle Pass Is The Worst Thing To Happen To Modern Gaming

Nameer from eXputer: "Some exceptions aside, I don't think the battle pass is a net positive for gaming with how they're implemented in most live service titles."

got_dam2d ago

Battle passes AND meta gaming both.

DivineHand1252d ago (Edited 2d ago )

I like the way Helldivers 2 does battle passes. It allows you to make purchases on each level of the battle pass and gives you the option of choosing which item to unlock first. The more purchases you make using medals the further you progress. There is no timer and you can earn medals towards purchasing stuff via personal orders and Major orders.

I haven't played much live service games that have battle passes but I remember some games that have battle passes where you progress through it linearly using an exp system. What makes it really bad is that the battle pass will have like 50 or more levels with the cooler stuff being closer to the end. They also have an in-game shop that sells exp boosters so you can reach the end of the pass before it refreshes. Everyone ilse will have to grind their way through.

lucian2292d ago

battle pass in fortnite is perfect; buy one and it buys the rest for every other season as it gives you more money than the first cost. so 8.50 and season ends with you getting 13.00, it pays for the next and you have some pocket change to save up for cash shop. All of which is optional

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PS5 Pro specs leak video taken down by Sony

Sony is taking actions as video by Moore’s Law is Dead, has been issued with a copyright claim.

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andy852d ago

And people say it's all fake because Sony haven't said anything 😂 conveniently forget the PS4 Pro was only announced 2 months before release.

BeHunted2d ago

It's fake. There's no factual evidence other than his own made up specs.

Hereandthere2d ago

What were the specks Sony was afraid of showing?

Shikoku2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

Digital foundry put a video out saying what he leaked was exactly what they also knew about the PS5 PRO. So no it's not just stuff he made up

Babadook72d ago (Edited 2d ago )

If it’s fake what copyright does MLID infringe upon?

😂

andy852d ago

Aye because they'd go to the effort of copyright claiming it if it didn't exist 🙃😂 you'd have to be a special kind to be thinking its not a thing by now

Cacabunga2d ago

They need to reveal it with uncharted killzone or a heavy hitter like this

Ironmike2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

U mean the specs that we'll established digital foundry which said these are the actual specs published a video on 2 weeks ago I mean they are only one of most trusted sites for tech information but they just made up a video for the sake of it

Christopher2d ago

I would love for it all to be fake, but lots of people are saying they've seen/heard the same thing. But, man, we 100% don't need mid-gen upgrades when we're failing hard to optimize current hardware.

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Seraphim1d 22h ago (Edited 1d 22h ago )

if I recall Sony lowered sales expectations for PS5 earlier this year. if that is the case we won't hear anything about a Pro until next year or shortly before/when it's dropping. After all, if the Pro was dropping this year/fiscal year they wouldn't have lowered expectations.

As for squashing rumors. Yeah, shit like this prevents potential buyers from adopting now, just like slim rumors in the past. It only makes sense to keep things under wraps from a business perspective. Despite living in a technological age of unfettered access to information we don't need to know whats going on behind closed doors be that at Sony, Nintendo, MS, or amongst any development studios. When the steak is done we shall feast.

JackBNimble1d 21h ago

By the time games are actually made to take advantage of the pro spec's the ps6 will be released or close to it.

jznrpg2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

Just announce it already! I want to preorder one asap. But in reality they don’t want to lessen PS5 sales until Pro is ready to launch so I understand the business part of it. September is probably when they announce it with an early November launch like the PS4 Pro

Ironmike2d ago

Pro won't lessen sales sames ps4 pro never and the ps4 pro was more relevant at the time cos move to 4k this not needed

RaidenBlack2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

Yea, my brother got his PS4 (coz of a good deal) after the PS4 Pro's release.

darthv722d ago

^^same here. I got a base 4 for only $100 off a guy who bought the Pro. then a few months later I found a guy on craigslist selling a pro for $100 because it was left behind by his former roommate who moved out. That was the beginning of my obsession to buy up the different variants of the PS4 that were released.

As of now I am really only missing the 500m one and the gold slim but otherwise I have pretty much all the other retail ones. https://consolevariations.c...

crazyCoconuts1d 23h ago

Anyone with 4K that appreciates 60fps is gonna disagree about it not being needed.
DLSS is a god send for Nvidia, and there's been nothing like it for AMD...yet ...

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DeadlyFire2d ago

They will announce it around E3 timeframe about May-June whenever they do a showcase for the year.

neutralgamer19922d ago

Just announce it this thing will sell well

Ironmike2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

I don't think it will pll still haven't seen the potential of ps5 yet

Cacabunga2d ago

agreed, but it might sell if they announce some 1st party games to lead the way. if people see the difference with the base version they can move on. for my sake I am still gaming mainly on PS4 (still not finished with RDR2 due to lack of gaming time). I have a huge backlog on PS5 I am hoping to get into.

mark3214uk2d ago

why? game makers havnt even come close to maxing out current spec yet, were getting al lthese new TFlops and game maker are making crappy remakes not worthy of the ps3

Minute Man 7212d ago

The guts of the 5 and X are 5 years old

fr0sty2d ago

People keep saying that, yet we still have games running at near HD resolutions, 30fps, and ray tracing features turned off.

PRIMORDUS2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

I would take that video and upload a torrent of it, fuck that copyright bullshit. If your going to do something that has a chance of being taken down, make a torrent first share it. Then Sony or any other company is helpless and you can laugh in their faces, taunting them to try to take it down 🤣

LoveSpuds2d ago

With kind of analysis and advice, you could be a lawyer for Trump!🤣

tronyx122d ago

As much as the PS4 Pro didn't represent a major % in the playerbase, announcing a 'better' model will hinder sales from the 'base' model. They are right, business-wise.

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