Darks Souls VS. Skyrim – Part 2 – On Space

Calitreview: For those somehow not aware, perhaps because they’re new to gaming, or because they are as inattentive Clark Kent’s optometrist, you can roughly divide game development between East (usually referring to Japanese developers) and West (usually referring to the US, but also European studios). Though there are about a billion differences you could look at, I want to look at one in particular as it relates to a key difference between Dark Souls and Skyrim: the lack of First Person Shooters from Eastern Studios.

[Optical_Matrix]

In my opinion, Dark Souls destroys Skyrim in every aspect aside from how open the world is. And even then, when you consider that Skyrims world is so artistically bland, with dungeons that are more or less the same thing (even the same damn puzzle), over and over again, the game becomes underwhelming. Certainly a great RPG, but certainly not one that deserves to be on as high a pedestal as the critics have placed it n. Again, that's just my opinion.

[JsonHenry]

I agree. Skyrim is a fun game. But the world is bland and uneventful. The random dragons were just as annoying as the random oblivion gates. (but harder to avoid if you don't want to mess with fighting one) The combat was still incredibly shallow. Merchants in large cities still didn't have enough money to sell your loot to. Again, the game was fun. But hardly anything great.

Dark Souls on the other hand had a more limited open world approach but the world was drastically different, the co-op/PvP was nice (once they patched it a few times) and the combat while also simple was still fun and it worked fantastically.

Dark Souls was easily my GOTY with Star Wars the Old Republic pulling in a close 2nd.

[camel_toad]

I totally agree. Loved Dark Souls and now playing Demon Souls for the first time. I have to say though Demon Souls isnt quite doing it for me the way Dark Souls did and I really think its just the layout of the world thats making the difference for me. The world in Dark Souls is one beautifully tied together world but its broken up into separate areas in Demon Souls. Wish I had played Demon Souls first so I would be enjoying it more...

[Braid]

That's where mods come in.

There's a modification on Skyrim Nexus which allows merchants to have more money than the default values, for example. You can almost iron out every single issue, that is if you have the PC version of course.

[Braid]

Well I'll be damned. I know it's N4G and not everyone here is mature enough to understand what is written and I'm doing my best not to flip out but could whoever in the holy mother of f#ck disagreed with me please tell me what the hell is wrong with my comment?

Is there a website called skyrimnexus?
Yes.
Is there a modification which gives merchants multiple times more money? Yes.

Then what I can understand from these disagrees is that you're either a needlessley offended console owner or too lazy to spend your time for the solution of issues. It does not require a spesific competency for Christ's sake, if you have a problem with merchants in the game, just go to that website and type "merchant" in the search bar. If you want to whistle for your horse, just friggin' type "horse" in the search bar and it'll show you all the modifications regarding horses.

How difficult is that? All you have to do to install mods is some move and drop, that's all! You don't have to wait for Bethesda to iron out the issues, that's why whe have the modding communities.

Jeez, I don't know what the hell is wrong with some people here.

[Drake117]

Awesome another article comparing Dark Souls to Skyrim. When are these tards going to learn that they are 2 completely different games that don't try to achieve the same things at all. People who like tight, responsive, and very mechanic based controls along with huge bosses and a dark concentrated atmosphere will like dark souls better. If people like a huge open world where they can literally do anything and be any one along with integrating first person controls into an RPG they will like Skyrim better. Optical Matrix is probably one of the people that likes the strengths of Dark Souls more than Skyrim so he likes DS more but alot of ppl like what Skyrim does well so they choose Skyrim, its as simple as that. I personally like what Skyrim does well and its my favorite game ever made but Dark Souls is still an amazing game and in my top 3 this year.

[JsonHenry]

Braid, it is just a disagree man. The disagree trolls are all over this site. If you can't handle it then you should quit this site now because you could post that water is wet and someone would disagree with you.

And yes, I play every game available on the PC over the console version.

[Braid]

Jason,

It's not the disagrees that bothers me. It's their lack of legitimization. If you're going to disagree with people, you could at least have the courtesy to say why, and there's nothing wrong with that. But if there's nothing to be discussed on the comment, why would you rate it anyway?

What I said was as clear as sky: there's a modding community and if you want to benefit from it, feel free to do so. And I highly recommend using mods as they fix some issues for good. They're great, made by talented people, and absolutely free of charge. What else could you ask for?

And a quick reminder guys, ENB's Boris released his new graphics modification (version 0.102), you might want to check it out as well.

[thewhoopimen]

@Braid:

The answer isn't most people disagree with the ability to Mod. The disagree with you comes at "having" to iron out an issue that shouldn't be an issue in the first place... that and your snotty rant.

[SilentNegotiator]

@Braid

It's lame enough that you have to complain about a handful of disagrees, but you give those people less than an hour to "legitimize" their disagrees before you write a big sob story about a couple people disagreeing with you?

Wanna know why people are disagreeing with you? I'll tell you some of the most probable reasons.

1) A lot of people don't have access to those mods (the console versions).
2) A lot of people, including myself, don't believe that mods should/do justify flaws in design. We shouldn't HAVE TO rely on third parties to fix games FOR Bethesda or any other developer.

3) MOST IMPORTANTLY, that doesn't "iron out" the fact that Skyrim uses a lot of copy-pasting and lacks variety. If you iron out a gap that wide by creating a mod, then you've practically designed half of the game. And this was in fact the more important issue mentioned (though you respond as if Merchant's coin purses was the only type of issue the poster had with the game).

[Braid]

You're getting me wrong.

I'm not advocating Bethesda nor implying that having to deal with modifications to fix the bugs is a good thing. That's not an excuse. The problems should have been fixed by Bethesda in the first place. I kept losing my horse for example, which annoyed me a lot, and they didn't even think about adding a simple whistle option. I wouldn't say it's clumsy programming but they really did overlook some issues here and there.

For the last time folks: graphics mods aside, it's not acceptable to use modifications to fix the game. But if you happen to have the PC version, and if there's something about the game that really bothers you, and if it's something that can be fixed with a simple solution but somehow overlooked by Bethesda, you can probably find a fix on Skyrim Nexus. Better than throwing the game away or waiting forever for Bethesda to fix it I guess. I know it's kind of a once in a blue moon situation and console owners are right with their complaints regarding bugs, nothing can be done there until a further patch.

And if you don't like the way the game is in general, there's unfortunately no fix for that as well. It's "like it or lump" there, you may want to try Witcher instead and after these walls of unnecessary explanations I'll definately check Dark Souls out soon.

[Lazy_Sunday]

Remember, on N4G, Disagrees are dislikes, and Agrees are likes. The site just keeps it that way to troll people who are logical like you on purpose. Because that makes sense, right? Watch me get dislikes :)

[Tanir]

dark souls is a master piece, only thing i would change (and this is just cuz im odd) i add a really really good character creation. so the characters arent so ugly, i mean my 2nd character (which was a girl) looks pretty good for a dark souls character, but just sayin, Something like an MMO style Character creation/models would be all that i changed.

skyrim is fun but yes very bland, theres not much fear in that game, in dark souls you can still die in the begining area's regardless of your level, the world is so amazing

[grahf]

I hear what you are saying. The character customization menu is tricky to use, because if you move a slider typically another slider moves as well.

And why fear when you can pause the game to heal?

[Play2Win]

Talking about destroying in every aspect is the moment where I left. Your talkin about games. Each game has something special. One is better and the other one has its problems. but destroying? no man

[dark-hollow]

Really?? Destroy it in "every aspect" besides the open map size???

How about 300+ worth of gameplay with countless quests from the main story, the companions, winter college, the thieves guild, the dark brotherhood, deadra artficats quests and tons more quests scattered all over skyrim!

More intresting story and npc and tons and tons of spells, shouts, weapons.

More varity in gameplay. You can play as a warrior, magician, assassin or combine some elemnts of all of them!! You can even turn into a vampire/werewolf!!!

Tons of perks and ranks when you level up and much much more.

All that and i swear i didnt EVEN scratched the surface of skyrim!

[Saladfax]

Hmmm... not sure. There's a helluva lot of subtlety and depth in the Dark/Demons Souls universe. It may not be as physically large, but it's thought-out, designed, and contained quite well.

I still love Bethesda games, but they haven't quite eliminated the immersion-loosening facets of many of their titles. Bugs and glitches are only a small part of this: it's also things like putting a bucket over a person's head to steal their stuff.

It's the pathetically small pool of voice actors engaging in shallow conversation essentially with themselves and the endlessly repeated dialogue lines (arrow in the knee?). It's the ridiculous conversation pie from Oblivion or the way that NPCs with very creepy-looking character models would stare at you.

Many of these and things like them are quite funny, but they truly do serve to undermine the massive scope and heavy immersion. Conversely, Demon's/Dark Souls isn't quite as big, but every piece of their design exudes immersion and narrative. There certainly isn't 300+ hours of unique questing, but neither will you find elderly women floating through the air before descending into and through the ground beneath you.

Regardless, however... none of it really matters. They are both excellent games for different and entirely valid reasons, and though it is quite interesting to analyze and consider, there's absolutely no merit to a, "OMG ONE IS MUCH BETTER!1!!" argument.

[Play2Win]

Everything dark-hollow mentioned is correct. Just look at the mods released for Skyrim on PC. Trust me ... destroying is the wrong word

[cemelc]

@dark-hollow

How many hours you can play in skyrim in the main quest? cos if we are talking things to do not related to the main quest you can play 300 or 500 hours in both game. If you dont believe me then look for covenants in darksouls.

"More intresting story and npc and tons and tons of spells, shouts, weapons. "

"Tons of perks and ranks when you level up and much much more. "

I'll grant plotwise skyrim is better,but npc are awesome in darksouls too what are you talking about?.

Did you know that in dark souls you also have tons of spells, weapons and miracles?. How is this even a plus for skyrim and not darksouls?.

In Darksouls you can create cross class builds just like in skyrim and the builds actually matters cos in pvp ppl will put you down if your build is mediocre(should of known took me 20 lvs to even my stats).

You should probably play darksouls a little i know its hard but youll realize that most of the things you just mentioned are in darksouls too.

Edit: @Garaunimo everything in this comparation is probably for consoles given that dark souls is for consoles only.

[Lazy_Sunday]

Artistically bland world...
Screenies from one single site beg to differ.
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[grahf]

I played Dark Souls. A lot! And as 2011 closed out, it was definatly my game of the year. I've written what I loved about it elsewhere so I will spare you all, but what I haven't done is share my impression of Skyrim.

Finally got a chance to see it played first hand while visiting my parents for the holidays, my dad is a HUGE Bethesda fan, and I like teasing him because he is so bad at games in general.

World looked enormous, and on the 360 the graphics were REALLY good! He wandered around town, talking to people, spending most of his time looting barrels (its his thing), checking his stats (leveling system looked interesting) and I was starting to get really bored until he left town. Then he started fighting some wolves. So, the combat mechanics weren't the greatest, but that still wasn't going to put me off playing when he was done.

What happened next did:
He was hurt so he paused the game, and he pulled up the Item menu. 3 Lesser healing potions, 2 Apple Cabbage Stews, 3 apples, and 10 potatoes later, he killed the pack. I was laughing so hard after that I couldn't watch anymore.
I was literally howling "Hold on wolfies, I'm hurt, let me stuff 85 potatoes down my throat!"

How could this be overlooked? I saw that the mod community has made a "hardcore" mode that tracks hunger & thirst, but that is an unofficial MOD and not available to everyone. Its like an artist working on a masterpiece and leaving a portion of it for someone else to paint-by-number.

And being able to pause the game to heal... thats really unforgivable. The oldest of the old RPGs would never let you heal in a paused environment, it was something that took a turn while you were still getting a beat down.

A year ago I probably wouldn't have thought anything of the above scenario, but Dark Souls has re-opened my eyes. And I can't wait for the next one. In fact, I need to have my brother ship Dark Souls back to me so I can start a new character...

[Zha1tan]

Really? Its whatever is your flavour.

Skyrim is possibly the best game ive ever played, Dark Souls isnt my "flavour" because I dont like JRPGs and I dislike the animation and art style used.

[Biggest]

Oh! You think people refer to JRPGs as such because Japanese developers make the game. That's too bad.

It's fine that you love Skyrim. I spent the time needed to get the platinum trophy (admittedly very easy) so I obviously enjoyed the game. It is extremely repetitive. Dark Souls is the better game in my opinion. However, I would prefer a real JRPG over them both. I miss having a name that characters in the game recognize. I miss having a real history and real attachments (well, as real as a completely fictional world can be). WRPG-types are too disjointed for me to usually enjoy. But given a choice I would take Dark Souls.

[Blacktric]

Dark Souls, in my opinion, is much much better than Skyrim. At least the developers didn't dumb the game down for the sake of reaching a wider audience. I still don't know what was the point of removing repair ability and 8 skills including hand to hand since Morrowind, when all of them made the game a much more deeper experience.

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

This explains it the best. Oh and Dark Souls isn't a JRPG. It has the best of both worlds. You can't find men that looks like women and oversized evil human characters carrying giant swords or hard to understand GUI. Also, you can't craft or find weapons that does more than 10 thousand damage while they're present in Skyrim thanks to the stupid crafting and enchanting system.

[Zha1tan]

"Dumb the game down" I always see that phrase used but never explained, how exactly does removing a neglible skill such as acrobatics or hand to hand lower the value of the experience? Its taking things out that are NOT needed for a good experience.

Extra "fluff" does not make a game deeper in any sense.

I would have thought it would have registered somewhere in there that perhaps its a JRPG because its from JAPAN....honestly the world is doomed...

This just seems like a classic case of Its cool to hate what is popular and we should all side with the niche game because clearly its better because its less popular and ugh yeah... not "dumbed down."

[Blacktric]

I could care less about Acrobatics and Athletics but giving those two as an example doesn't change the fact that the game is dumbed down. It's also very obvious that you've never played past Elder Scrolls games properly so I understand your affection for a game like Skyrim. Anyway, have fun playing it and I'm sure in 3-5 years we'll get another dumbed down Elder Scrolls game that doesn't have axes and such thanks to people like you who passionately support stuff like this.

[Tony P]

@Zha:

Allow me to retort in a way that isn't insulting and completely patronizing.

-On dumbing down-

The only thing that makes a feature "fluff" is the amount of work a dev is willing to put into it. Just because the dev says it's unnecessary in a PR statement doesn't mean there's *no way* it could have been kept in and improved. "Unnecessary" is just how they chose to frame it for the public.

-On JRPGs-

Obviously, everyone's coming in with baggage. JRPG has come to connote not just a region of origin but a style of design.

Lastly, I thought your first point was spot on. I get two completely different fixes from each game.

There's room for both.

[Baka-akaB]

The DS series did dumb down a few things from its King's field ancestor too . And they did feature some small changes to accomodate people between Demon's Souls and Dark Souls given it success .

And Dark soul is a jrpg , if someone doesnt know more than the usual FF mold , that's on himself .

[Biggest]

"perhaps its a JRPG because its from JAPAN"

Perhaps. Perhaps the terms JRPG and WRPG are used to explain differences in gameplay style. A JRPG would be the early Final Fantasy games. A WRPG would be pretty much every RPG made by Bethesda. If a Japanese developer works for Bethesda it doesn't become a JRPG. If a Japanese company makes a game like Demon/Dark Souls it doesn't automatically become a JRPG. If it was taken literally we would have EURPGs or maybe KORPGs. The world isn't doomed. It's too big to label everything literally and specifically. It's easy to label RPGs with W or R because there are two general types of RPG video game.

[dktxx2]

Why must we pit every RPG that gets released against each other like there can't be two good ones in one year? We get like what, 2-3 a year?

[Bimkoblerutso]

The only sensible comment here...

[MizTv]

im not a big fan of skyrim but i think its alot better than dark souls

[Saleem101]

Dark souls is better game period...

[vickers500]

No it's not, period...

[despair]

played both and still don't understand the comparison, there is nothing really similar in either game. Both different and both awesome.

[baboom223]

I prefer skyrim because as a whole and not just talking about combat, I see it as a much better game.

[Getowned]

I agree,but they both have good things about them.

Dark souls really lacks a a good story for me.Skyrim gives me that story.

Gameplay this is a hard call but I would probably say a tie.Because skyrim gives you a FPS view and and you still have a lot of cool spells,it's realy cool shooting fire and lightning at people all at once.I like in dark souls how you can lock on on your target to keep track of them.

The landscape I would say a tie again I like the levels on dark souls every thing feels diffrent where as skyrim is some times had reused buildings and I really hate those mountans but Skyrim is a beautiful place and the bandits trying to rob you of your hard earned money waiting on the path to jump out is cool.

Over all I would rather play Skyrim for a year over Dark souls exspecialy on PC with all the mods.I like both really but skyrim gets my vote by a hair.

[Son_Lee]

Dark Souls is better, having played both. The atmosphere, and especially combat are much more rewarding in Dark Souls. Now, the world of Skyrim should be better, but after 20 hours, it got boring. I haven't got bored of Dark Souls yet. Skyrim isn't too big for it's own good; the problem is there is little variety.

However, as someone who hated Oblivion, I will say Skyrim is an amazing improvement and I will play the hell out of it someday. Just not right now.

[JellyJelly]

Dark Souls is my GOTY and possibly Game of this gen.

[pandehz]

Interesting how ppl say Skyrim's world is bland when I'm pleasantly surprised at every quest with a new location design. Better graphics, more well constructed geography always resulting in breathtaking sights. Dynamic day/night,weather adding just another layer of beauty.

Dark Souls on the other hand is one of the most bland looking games I've ever played. Same overused textures and castle look. There's the castle and the forest. Wooden doors, metal doors, shabby looking environment. I understand its meant to feel gloomy but it just doesn't feel that much so. Reason being, it takes the minimalistic approach where using less its trying to achieve a bigger sense of things. Its asking me to role play a little too much.

Using the most common film making philosophy which I quite apply to games too is 'Show not tell.' In films its applied to the idea being shown and not being said, here its in the context of Immersion.

Dark Souls 'tells' that the world is gloomy but it is hard to believe it as I have to stoop down and apply my imagination to actually immerse myself. Why is there a round light on me and why not ambient light illuminating me? Why does everything look same-ish? Why does the world not feel like a fantasy when Im walking around alone? Only when I meet a mob or a boss does it resemble anything immersively close to a dark fantasy. Its like the world is telling me these elements are there to make me feel involved but it doesnt quite cut it.

Many visual and immersive flaws I can point out. I could go and read the new 'Inheritance' book and live a fantasy if I have to apply my imagination all the time.

Skyrim on the other hand successfully 'shows' and doesnt just tell. It doesnt require me to imagine a beautiful world when Im actually feeling it. From the soundscape to the landscape Skyrim is immersive. Try taking down a dragon being attacked by other monsters in the area in the middle of blizzard. Awe-inspiring. Elements that make it great. Dragons dynamic movement and attack. Other A.I creature getting involved. The graphics and sound doing its duty and of course the player with its badass arsenal getting ready to shake things up. Not immersive enough? Then I'm sorry Skyrim has become the new old school to you which makes Dark Souls ancient.

I bought Dark Souls in the hype and made a bunch of my friends buy it too. Everyone exchanged it and blamed me for convincing them. Skyrim is better in my opinion. There are many other areas where Skyrim shines and Dark Souls does not quite make it.

[RedDead]

People say I troll every article of Skyrim, these are the reasons I have posted a while back:

Posted this a few days ago.....

TL'DR for below. The game is filled to the brim with content. But the content is pretty average, in terms of gameplay, Rpg elements, quest system and Story.
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I completely disagree on Exploration. The only reward you get for exploring is Dragon shouts. Loot is scaled. This is why i liked MW. Everywhere in the game had a good point to it, there was something unique in it. Armor, weapons etc. Skyrim ditched that for crafting. Stupid move imo. Oblivion didn't have this at all, again making exploration pointless with level scaling.

I just don't understand, why did Bethesda not just improve on MW's formula. They ditched what was good about MW for a better(but still terrible) combat system. Skyrim's combat system is still medicre after a while, magic was dissapointing, I thought they would actually make magic different. But no. Lightning has 3 varients which are exactly the same as Fire but cause a different *effect*. It just seems lazy on Bethesda's part yet again. Skyrim is better than Oblivion but it's still going to mainstream and too easy. I just wish they could remake Morrowind with Skyrim's(Or an actual good one) combat system and graphics. Or simply make one with all the good stuff about MW in it. Hopefully for the ES6 they'll do an overhaul on the combat system.

i mean I could keep going on about the game. Everything sucks in it. it's game filled with a beautiful open world and lots of content, but the content sucks badly, Ai is dreadful, Npc's a lifeless idiots, everyone talks down to you, why does no one in questlines recognize who you are? They should be begging you to join them. The story and writing still sucks, combat is still shallow. Level scaling is still too prevalent, especially the dragons, they're so repetitive. The best 'improvement' or new addition was dragon shouts but they simply took over the game, exploration's reward is just them and some random loot which is scaled(makes it all pointless) "

Also like to add Dragons are good for a short amount of time. For the whole game they just get repititive. Strong enemies are nothing but sponges yet again. There is no feeling of a hard enemy. You just end up Mashing the attack button and blocking. They have more life and take more life away, that is always the only difference.

Edit-I liked Oblivion, simply becausei t was the first time I had ever played a game like it. I did notice the flaws quick enough which was basically, the gaem was made for exploring, but i'll never ever find anything worth exploring for. I'll never find some enemy too hard to touch etc. Skyrim has this to a lesser extent but not as bad. Morrowind didn't have this. And I understand why that was changed but it was. the game became less hardcore and in turn had less depth. I played Morrowind after OB anyway and immediately realized how much mistakes bethesda made when developing oblivion. "

And whoever posted this has the same Idea. http://i42.tinypic.com/kbuo...

People say it has many hours of content, it's like every ****ing Elder scrolls then. With minor upgrades. I was extremely disappointed with the game.

I'm actually shocked someone thinks Skyrim has a better combat system than Dark souls up there as well. Actually think about each type of weapon being different, almost all of them are. Then apply the speed versus strength of armor and weapons, Skyrim has absolutely none of this. You stand there attacking until it dies, no dodging or anything, no timing.

[jthamind]

all of that is well said. and yeah, i was the one who posted that, but i wasn't the one who typed it. lol.

[baboom223]

Wow your honestly brutal... Why do you feel the need to talk so much shit about skyrim when half of the things you say aren't even true.

There is, in fact, special loot in dungeons such as red eagles sword, not everything scales with you also... Some things have to because without scaling everything would becomes much to easy.

And before you give me this "Dark Souls is a ridiculously hard game" bullshit, I'm going tell you that your DEFINITELY pushing that quite a bit. Dark Souls is not that hard as long as your not a complete moron and there definitely are points in skyrim where there is difficulty

Dark souls combat may be better but that's not all the features of an RPG game. Oh and Skyrims combat is not as bad as you make it out to be, its not superior like dark souls but it gets the job done.

Now find something better to do than to just hate on skyrim.

[pandehz]

@RedDeadDestroyer
They are very different games in terms of combat, storytelling,pacing and form. They cannot be compared in these things.

One could say Dark Souls does not have a story and I would say thats not what its selling.

Could also say the combat in Dark Souls does not have as much flexibilty as Skyrim. Takes longer to have options and such. But DS is not selling it the way Skyrim is.

Could also claim DS is very linear and only has a few tree like openings. The general direction is forward or backward whilst Skyrim is what you make of it with an open world and such. Again very unfair comparison as they are selling different things.

Bring a similar game into the argument and then the discussion makes sense.

What can be compared are presentation, representation of a fantasy text and comparisons between the two metaverse.

Thats where I gave my opinion in saying Skyrim has a far superior presentation than DS. This is what we can compare between the two games.

[jthamind]

@pandez

Dark Souls is an open world with specific paths. Skyrim is an open world period.

the difference, though, is that when you go to a new area in Dark Souls, you get different enemies, different landscapes/dungeons, different bosses, etc. and you can choose the order you can do some areas.

with Skyrim, though, while it may be open world, there's no real choice. you can get a quest to kill a bad guy from a person on one side of the map, or you can go to the other side of the map and get the same type of quest from a similar looking NPC with the same VA to kill a retextured bad guy in the same dungeon with the same stupid flippin claw puzzle....etc etc...

there's only an illusion of open world choice in Skyrim. you're doing the same shit over and over no matter where you go....killing a "boss" in a dungeon, fetching an item, or escorting someone. even the guilds don't change this fact--you fetch in the Thieves Guild, you kill in the Brotherhood, you kill/escort/fetch in the Companions, etc. the only thing that changes are the textures and occasionally the voice actors. there's no real variety in the content, just an illusion that Skyrim is some type of massive game. yeah, it's a massive game with the same stuff over and over.

Dark Souls is what it is....it's shorter and the world isn't as big, but when you go to a different area, the enemies, landscapes and bosses are actually different! wow, amazing concept, right?

so i'll take Dark Souls' smaller and more focused world with variety in areas over Skyrim's giant glob of sameness throughout.

[Baka-akaB]

Smart people will just enjoy both , or at least stick with their own tastes , instead of pretending they are even the same thing , and dont have each their respectives advantages and cons .

Tired of that crap with even some of it's fans pretending Demon Souls was some kind of japanese version , when the dev has been doing stuff rather similar in spirit since the 90s with King's field .

And no it is a Jrpg , some of you just decided that only the FF mold was the only kind of jrpg in existence

[TopDudeMan]

But what if you do enjoy both and want to decide which one is your favourite? Mines is dark souls. Some people might prefer skyrim. Doesn't mean I don't like skyrim or that they don't like dark souls.

[Baka-akaB]

dont get your point there entirely. You either enjoy both or pick one that's precisely what i tried to say .

The comparison is just silly when both are so different

[PCELITE]

- comparing skyrim with dark souls is stupid

- because every true gamer knows which franchise is the king of rpg's

♥ The Elder Scrolls ♥

[jthamind]

Dark Souls is a far better game and far more immersive experience than Skyrim. bigger doesn't always = better in gaming, and that's really all Skyrim has going for it in this comparison.

Dark Souls is much more immersive, challenging, and rewarding, with far better combat, weapons and spells. the art design is great, the dungeons blow Skyrim's pieces of shit out of the water, and it has some length too. you could spend well over 50 hours on one play through if you don't rush. and the game encourages multiple play throughs.

and for the things that Skyrim has more of, like characters and a story...those are things Dark Souls doesn't want, need, or focus on.

Dark Souls is a game you play, beat, and remember for a long time. Skyrim is a game you play for a while and then realize "why am i still doing the same things over and over 100 hours into this game? this isn't even fun."

also, The Witcher 2 says hi. that's my RPG of the year, with Dark Souls second and Skyrim a distant third.

[Ayxicle]

SAY WHAT !!~

[Nevers]

Skyrim Vs Dark Souls ?

Love them both in different and similar ways. When it comes right down to it... neither are ever being sold back to Gamestop or the like. That's when I know I have a great game... when I'd never consider selling it back.