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CliffyB: Next Gen Consoles Will Have To Pass The "Mom Test"

GB : CliffyB shares his wisdom with the world.

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Gamer30004574d ago (Edited 4574d ago )

with almost no 1st party studios
it was clear that M$ don't care any more about the xbox fans

next gen is ps4 for me

kaveti66164574d ago

"it was clear that M$ don't care any more about the xbox fans"

I just want you to know that Sony will only "care" about the "hardcore" PS3 fans if there's money in it for them.

And when some big audience comes along that doesn't care about hardcore games, Sony will drop you like it's hot, and won't look back.

Therefore, stop playing sides.

Gamer30004574d ago

@kaveti6616
no no no
i didn't say :
"sony never do wrong or they are not after money"
they are as evil as M$
but the thing is
sony please every one
the hardcore fans and the casual fans
you will always find on ps console
a game for every one and every age
sony's 1st party studios are doing an incredible job for the playstation fans
and that's my point

DragonKnight4574d ago

@kaveti: You're obviously wrong, and this gen has already proven it. Obviously the casual market has made Nintendo incredibly wealthy, and knowing that has Sony abandoned the core like MS have? Nope, not at all. If anything, they've done everything they could to strengthen their core offerings. So yeah, stop spouting crap.

ApplEaglElephant4574d ago (Edited 4574d ago )

Sony makes off money by pleasing us hardcore gamers. MS makes money off by abandoning hardcore gamers.

Yes, both companies make money, but Sony does it by sticking to their core customers not abandoning them.

EDIT @DRagonKnight exactly.
Sony decided to make money by serving their cores.

kaveti66164574d ago

Why do you take the time to write MS as "M$" but don't take the time to write Sony as "$ony"?

Is it because you're under the delusion that Microsoft only cares about money while Sony cares about something else?

The fact of the matter is that no corporation does anything for any reason other than money.

Money is the only reason.

If Sony does something that doesn't immediately contribute to money, it is because Sony is doing that something to contribute to their public image, so that in the not-too-distant future, they will get money out of it.

Sony doesn't care about the hardcore audience.

If Sony releases a statement saying that they care about the hardcore audience, it is for two reasons.

1) Sony foresaw that they would be unable to successfully break into the "casual" market so they decided not to jump into that market.

2) Sony wants the people who consider themselves to be "hardcore" gamers to think that Sony cares about them. Thus, if they say they do, their public image among that group increases.

Once again, Sony never did anything for you out of love, respect, honor, gratitude, or any other virtuous reason.

Not only that, Sony never did anything for you for free.

If they gave you something for "free," they were actually purchasing your trust and loyalty.

My goal here is not to be fanboyish, but simply to pull you out of your irrationality.

ApplEaglElephant4574d ago (Edited 4574d ago )

Sony is making money from SERVING HARDCORE GAMERS.
MS is making money from abandoning hardcore gamers.

There is no way around it. i LOLED at your delusional number 1 and 2.

Customer loyalty has been around for a long time.It has been popularized by tobacco companies. basically what this means is that company serves their customers extremely well in the past present and in the future. So that their customers will stick around and keep buying their stuff.

Yes, both company is out to make money, but Sony is doing it right by keep supporting their hardcore. While MS did this by screwing up current hardcore gamers who already bought Xbox 360.

kaveti66164574d ago

Hey, man. I'm sorry I disturbed your bubble.

ApplEaglElephant4574d ago (Edited 4574d ago )

But are you seriously defending MS for abandoning hardcore gamers?

That is some dedication...

Well, no matter how you cry. its the same. MS abandoned their hardcores who have been following them for years.

gamingdroid4574d ago (Edited 4574d ago )

How is MS abandoning hardcore gamers?

Last I checked, there are plenty of games for the Xbox 360. Not only that, but we are also about to get new game related features with the new dash as well.

Forza 4 is about to be released, Gears 3 is already out which is a stellar game with an awesome online community, and next month we are getting Halo: CE Anniversary. That is in addition to all the great multi-plats.

If anything, there are far too many quality games both released and about to be released.

... but hey, you fanboys can bicker about the PS3, because clearly this article is about the PS3!

Take those fanboy goggles off and let's get back on topic.

_Aarix_4574d ago

@ApplEaglElephant    

Theres this little thing called "not being a deuce" you should try it.

BattleAxe4573d ago

Hey Cliffy!.......YOUR MOM!

da_2pacalypse4573d ago

You all have forgotten and MLG was made for games like starcraft and halo. this is what being a hardcore gamer is about. I don't ever recall killzone being a big hit at mlg -_-

MysticStrummer4573d ago

@kaveti & gamingdroid - I'm not sure how you guys can look at this generation and not see that MS has shifted focus significantly to the casuals while Sony continues to bring something for everyone to the table just like they've always done. From the looks of things next gen will continue this trend, judging from the way Sony has been acquiring devs. PS4 all the way for me.

Blogz4Fanboyz4573d ago

you sony fanboys are just annoying and repeat the same stuff day in day out. stfu ey?

"m$ doesnt care"

"sony does"

"ms has ditched the hardcore"

"sony hasnt"

"m$ only want money"

"sony do it for there fans"

blah blah blah. ffs just shut, grow up and go and congregate on the "i love sony" forums.

next gen like this gen, i will be a multi console owner like i have been for years. we know that 90% of n4g are sony lovers, and possibly a few of you lot are paid trolls. well you must be for some of the vomit inducing crap you write.

surely no one is sad enough to actually want to defend some multi billion dollar corp that doesnt give two fucks about you no life fanboys who dwell on n4g.

rant over, disagree away

banner4573d ago

@apple

You are so one sided...

While ms doesn't have as many "hardcore" exclusives, what they do bring to the table is quite frankly AAA gaming in my book.

If you don't know what games I'm talking about then shame on you.

Perjoss4573d ago (Edited 4573d ago )

@ Gamer3000

If there was no such thing as AAA multi platform titles, then exclusives would be important.

humbleopinion4573d ago (Edited 4573d ago )

@kaveti6616
As a hardcore gamer myself I do feel that Microsoft abandoned me in 2011 unlike Sony. As a gamer I expect to see each year the best AAA games for my console - not some half attempted and only decent games. Otherwise I can just go for better multiplatform games instead.
So this year Microsoft didn't provide me any such exclusives with critical acclaim that scored 90+ or more. Let me verify that on metacritic...

Oh wait. There are games after all, but only two:
Gears of War 3
Forza 3

But 2 is still near to nothing! This is completely unlike Sony, who keeps on delivering the best games every time with no competition whatsoever. Check out the Tons of AAA 90+ games we got for our PS3 this year:
LittleBigPlanet 2
MLB 11
...
Mmmm. Strange. I can't seem to find anything else. I was pretty sure All Sony games are pure gold and recognized as such by the critics. Will you believe me if I make an argument that a baseball game and a platform game that was actually supposed to launch on 2010 and got delayed are the games every hardcore gamer is looking for and that third person shooters and racing games no real gamer cares about?

No? Mmmm. Too bad.
Well... how about if I try to artificially inflate that list with PS2 era games that Sony repackaged for us after taking out backwards compatibility on the PS3? Because hardcore gamers like ourselves are not expected to already own these games.
Yeah! Now we also have the Ico collection on the PS3 side with 90+ metacritic this year, thus proving superiority of the PS3 exclusives and serving as an ultimate proof the Microsoft doesn't care about hardcore gamers at all while Sony will always be there for us!

Actually, we don't even need the games to know that. We can tell for sure because they made that cool trailer.

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SilentNegotiator4574d ago (Edited 4574d ago )

Mommies thought junior could play some thing called 'Mario', and they could lose weight playing Zumba. It's called the Wii. Most successful console of this gen, one of the best selling systems of all time? Ring a bell?

The "Mom test" isn't exactly new. And I'm not talking about moms telling the difference between some graphics. Because they don't care about that.

I'm talking about Mommy seeing value like that in the fads.

ClimateKaren4574d ago

Stick to making your game Cliff.

Spitfire_Riggz4574d ago

Why cant he share his wisdom with all of us?

WrAiTh Sp3cTr34574d ago

Because that person probably went from the headline straight to the comment section, skipping the article in its entirety.

guitarded774574d ago (Edited 4574d ago )

He does when he releases a game... when he opens him mouth however... em :/

Although I do agree with him.

“I always joke that it has to pass the “Mom Test” – When you can take your mom to Best Buy and show her a football game in low-def compared to high-def and she can actually tell the difference. That’s where you need to be at to make a new console.”

We have to be able to see a decent leap from gen to gen.

ClimateKaren4574d ago

@WrAiTh

I read every word, I don't find it to be especially new, insightful, or wise. Like most times he opens his mouth. Hence the comment. Nice guess though.

WrAiTh Sp3cTr34574d ago

But only if your comments weren't such a far cry from his, I'd most certainly agree with you, but I'm sure you understand why I can't...

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iamtehpwn4574d ago (Edited 4574d ago )

CliffyB is an interesting guy. As someone who works in the industry, he's quite informed. I at the very least, respect all of his opinions even if I disagree with them.

And I'll take the disagree hit to say we need more outgoing people like him in our industry.

Spitfire_Riggz4574d ago

@Guitarded77 FredEffinChopin

I just think someone that is actually in the industry has more right to share his opinions than anybody on N4G who obviously shares there opinions

ClimateKaren4573d ago

And I have the right to think his opinions waste my time 90% of the time he gives them. I don't see what is so difficult to understand about that.

ClimateKaren4573d ago

And by the way, that blanket statement might not sound so reasonable to you if we were talking Kotick instead of Blezinski.

Droid Control4574d ago

2014 is too long. I'm desperate for a new console. I've been gaming on my 360 since 2005 and frankly - I'm tired of it. All the games look and play the same. Nothing interests me anymore.

TacoTaru4574d ago

I don't think it's the console that makes all the games feel the same. Creativity is lagging far behind the hardware and with the cost of those hi-def graphics the financial folks don't want to risk their investment on something new and unproven.

I have to agree that finding something that holds my interest these days is a true challenge.

bebojet4574d ago

No fanboy talk but I recommend you get a PS3 and check out some of the exclusive games.

bebojet4574d ago

@ the disagrees

Than stick to playing CofD, Halo and Gears 24/7.

Blogz4Fanboyz4573d ago

i have one, and in 2011 i so far have only bought 1 exclusive. u3 will be next! i m sorry, but sony exclusives ARE NOT the be all and end all of gaming

militant074574d ago

me too, I want new generation :(

Mr Tretton4574d ago

There is a new generation, it's on PC.

militant074574d ago

ha..ha.... no its only console games with better graphics. they don't feature stuffs like better A.I and/or more enemies on single screen or more action.

Mr Tretton4574d ago (Edited 4574d ago )

What makes you think those things will be magically happening for consoles next gen? Next gen consoles will have the power of PCs from years ago. Consoles are always behind PC. The consoles were very underpowered the moment they were released.

Battlefield 3 on pc has bigger maps and player count than the console version. Because on PC, BF3 is a next generation game. The console receives a cheapened last gen version.

qwertyz4573d ago (Edited 4573d ago )

@Mr Tretton

thanks, I've been saying this tikmes without number consoles where outdated at launch and this wil be the case with "next generation consoles as well" pc will always be a few steps ahead of consoles.

@everyone else
cliffy is always talking out of his arse so why even pay attention to him

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tee_bag2424573d ago

@ Droid - Thats because so many games on 360 recycle the unreal engine.

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pedo_across-the-road4574d ago

His comments are getting more and more mature.

WELL DONE CLIFF B

Alos884574d ago

I imagine Cliffy B will be wanting to administer the Mom Test personally.

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Former Game Designer Cliff Bleszinski - Bridging the Worlds of Video Games and Comics

Step into the extraordinary universe of "Scrapper," the visionary comic book masterpiece brought to life by acclaimed game designer Cliff Bleszinski, renowned for his iconic contributions to the gaming world with titles like Gears of War, Jazz Jackrabbit, and Unreal Tournament. In an exclusive interview, Cliffy shares his inspiring journey from the gaming industry to venturing into the realm of musicals, revealing the personal inspirations that led to the creation of "Scrapper." Drawing from his 25 years of video game experience, Bleszinski seamlessly infuses the comic with captivating action and world-building prowess.

shinoff2183251d ago (Edited 251d ago )

Bridging the world's of videogames and comics has been done by the Japanese for ages. Not gonna lie I'd rather play scrapper the video game then read the comic.

MIDGETonSTILTS17249d ago

I think Insomniac covered this with Infamous.

Chevalier249d ago

"You’re right, I suck."

Nah you're probably confused because Insomniacs does do a game based off a comic too in Spiderman and soon Wolverine

SpacedDuck249d ago

Dude made some killer Unreal and Gears of War games but has been dud after dud ever since. Don't understand why people hype him up. He's a jackass to start and way to into himself.

shinoff2183249d ago

Agreed. From what I've gathered over the years

generic-user-name249d ago

Like a month or 2 ago he tweeted that people were trying to cancel him and to 'bring it on' (or something along those lines) then someone posted the remarks he made over underage Olsen twins and he wasn't long deleting it.

-Foxtrot249d ago

Seems like he's always trying to do something to "change the industry" rather than just making a good f****** game again.

DrDoomer249d ago

That article sounds like it was written by cliffy himself. This douche hasn't been relevant since the xbox 360 days.

crazyCoconuts249d ago

He started making video games, and now he's a comic

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Cliffy B's Boss Key Is Dead (And Why That Sucks)

Cliffy B's Boss Key Productions had to close its doors. Here's why the end of the studio is such sad news for everyone.

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TheOttomatic912160d ago

Boss Key is certainly dead but Cliffy B sure as hell isn’t

Nitrowolf22159d ago

I thought he was dead for real lol

blackblades2159d ago

I was going to say that, sounds like a amateur.

mogwaii2159d ago

You sound like AN amateur.

rainslacker2159d ago

I was about to be pretty upset when I read the title. Despite my criticism of CliffyB at times, I actually do respect him when it comes to game design. He's even critiqued some of my projects at trade shows for students. Pretty nice guy really.

Pretty crappy of cheatcc to word the title like this IMO.

demonicale2160d ago

What a bad news title. Might want to change that to be honest.

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BLAKHOODe2159d ago

I wouldn't worry about Boss Key's unemployed developers. Sure, some might have to relocate, which sucks, but it was just a few weeks ago Cliffy was asking Epic Games to stop trying to steal his team, which considering what has since happened makes Cliffy look like as big a douchebag as we've always knew him to be. But there are tons of jobs available for developers, so these guys will ultimately be okay.

rainslacker2159d ago

May not have to relocate. Raleigh, NC, where Boss Key and Epic are located has a thriving development scene. There's Insomniac, Red Storm, Ubisoft has a studio here(they also own Red Storm), and Epic among the big studios. There are also a lot of mid sized to smaller studios which are pretty well known in and around the area.

DVAcme2159d ago

I don't think the term "creatively bankrupt" has ever applied as perfectly to a studio as it does to Boss Key games. They literally tried to bank on two gaming fads without a single unique idea to contribute. They're the Great Value of gaming, although not even, cause at least Great Value products are cheap, while Boss Key was asking full price for glorified Overwatch and Fortnite clones. And then they have the GALL to publish the ideas they had for other upcoming games, ideas that actually have a spark of creativity to them, as if to make us feel guilty by saying "Look at what you deprived yourselves of by not supporting our mediocre-ass games!" Cry me a goddamn river.

porkChop2159d ago

"without a single unique idea to contribute."

What are you talking about? Radical Heights plays almost entirely different from other BR games. Every BR mechanic works totally different in the game. It's full of unique ideas.

"Boss Key was asking full price for glorified Overwatch and Fortnite clones"

No, they were not. Neither game was asking full price. Lawbreakers was $30. Radical Heights is free.

"And then they have the GALL to publish the ideas they had for other upcoming games"

They weren't upcoming games. They were ideas that were pitched to all the major publishers, and were rejected. They weren't coming out.

You've made it incredibly obvious that you've never played their games, and you have no idea what you're talking about. You're just blindly hating on them. That's pretty sad.

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Cliffy B's Radical Heights Isn't As Bad As It Looks

Radical Heights is from the team behind LawBreakers, but it already looks like succeeding where that infamous shooter failed.

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Derceto2196d ago (Edited 2196d ago )

Indeed. It's far worse.

Not sure how many times people have to witness train wrecks like this in the making to just accept your instinct, but, anyone who's been around for even 5+ years, should see the caliber of stinker this is going to be.

Effortless, copycat, uninspired trash.