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“No-one talks about Swedish game design for Battlefield 3″ so why do it with Japan? - Team Ninja dev

“There is pressure from Western media to fetishise and compartmentalise Japanese games as just “Japanese” and therefore different from everything else,” says Team Ninja’s Peter Garza – and the Ninja Gaiden 3 man feels that the press wouldn’t treat games from any other country the same way.

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omi25p4590d ago (Edited 4590d ago )

Japanese games are different to other games, They are bright colourful games with men that dress metrosexual, strange cute animals and the gameplay is usually quite child friendly.

I.E Mario,Zelda. Most "western" games are dark, gory and about war and fighting

pangitkqb4590d ago (Edited 4590d ago )

Never thought of it in the way Peter Garza put it, but ya, I think he has an interesting point.

If a game is awesome, who cares what country it came from? Does something really need to be defined and separated that way? Perhaps there is value in discerning typical styles simply for consumer awareness - because there are notable common differences between Western and Japanese games - but I'm not sure.

SolidSystem4590d ago

I think it does matter where it comes from to a degree. some people might not like Japanese food, but love french food. we all have tastes, and while every dish in France might not appeal to someones tastes, its a style people can identify with.

Japense games tend to have a certain characteristic to them, which isnt bad or good, its up to the individual persons tastes.

gamingdroid4590d ago

Well, I think that game developed in Japan is significantly different than games developed in Russia, Poland and Sweden.

In fact, the latter three European (or most European) countries could be confused with an American developed game. There is no mistaking that, but games from Japan definitely has it's own flair even when they try to be Westernized so it is no wonder it gets that kind of focus.

Heartnet4589d ago

Doesnt matter where a game is made lol at all.. if Ninja Theory were to move to japan would they then be making japanese games? hell no...

different countries make a variety of different games lol.... Matters on the developer no the country.. a game could be made in russia and be the exact same game as one made in japan... saying its different is a purly in the mind

malol4589d ago

Well that's because Japaneses games are just so Japaneses

lol

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MrDead4590d ago (Edited 4590d ago )

Japanese games have a good mix of gaming for young and old. Resident Evil and other survival horror series, Yakuza, Demon's Souls, Metal Gear Solid, Gran Turismo and Endless fighting games.

TheGameFoxJTV4590d ago

Even the Wii has No More Heroes 1 and 2...

Peaceful_Jelly4589d ago

Those are the kind of japanese games that I like, where everybody and everything fits the world perfectly. Yakuza has some fan-service and quirky stuff but it's all cool and the same with Bayonetta.

Now that I think about it, I think that what I'm talking about below are just japanese "rpg" cliches. XD

Peaceful_Jelly4590d ago (Edited 4590d ago )

yeah man when you play a japanese game you can spot it right away because of its quirkiness unlike Battlefield 3 (Swedish), FEAR (Russian) or Witcher (Poland).

I do really hate how ridiculous is the game design of japanese games sometimes like for example: FFXIII-2. Noel is a metrosexual indian-dressed ninja and Serah is a Victoria Secret model in a one piece dress with some weird animal that transform into a bow. That's just not believable enough for me to not think about it and just enjoy the game. They are so out of place within their own world it's crazy. Right now I'm playing "Odin Sphere" and while the game is very quirky and niche the character design and everything else fits the world perfectly. The same with all the FF games prior FFX. There are a couple of exceptions like Tifa's ridiculous outfit but nothing serious like the mini-skirt of Lighting even thought she's a "soldier" or Snow calling himself a "hero" like a kid in a Disney movie.

Heartnet4589d ago

i wouldnt say Demons souls or dark souls was particulary quirky and could of been easily made by a western developer...

picking out soloey RPGS such as final fantasy and then basing that game on the entire country is just narrow mindedness

Optical_Matrix4589d ago

You left out Silent Hill, Resident Evil, Ico, Shadow of The Colossus, Forbidden Siren, Mad World.....plenty of gory, dark games in Japanese culture. I'd argue that character/setting and artistically, Japanese are far more creative. Where as western devs are better on the technical sides of things. That's just my opinion. But to label all Japanese games in a certain light based on 2 NINTENDO franchises is ridiculous.

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SolidSystem4590d ago

1. I cant tell a Swedish game from other nations games.
2. there probably arnt enough swedish games for people to see a trend in game design.

everyone points to Japanese vs Western design for instance. so could one argue that people are not targeting just japan? there's that other group the "western" group.

Hufandpuf4590d ago

Very rarely do we see games from Sweden. Right now only BF and mine craft comes to mind in the average gamer. It's much easier to examine Japanese game design because there are so many of them.

Sizzon4590d ago

Bionic Commando
Just Cause
Just Cause 2
Terminator Salvation: The video game
Minecraft
The Battlefield series
This new Syndicate FPS game
Magicka

all are Swedish made :) I'm from sweden btw :p little proud of DICE.

SolidSystem4590d ago

I didnt realize all of those were all Swedish. which furthers the point, we don't have enough and they don't seem to follow any sort of trend/similar flavor.... other than being fun.

theonlylolking4590d ago

Out of all of those released or to be released this year only battlefield and just cause series are good.

evrfighter4590d ago

You have every right to be proud of DICE. Those guys are outdoing legions of developers working on cod.

Ocelot5254589d ago

add the darkness to that list

humbleopinion4589d ago (Edited 4589d ago )

Add to that list:
World in Conflict and Ground Control series (Massive)
Riddick, The Darkness (Starbreeze)
GTR and Race series (SimBin)
Penumbra, Amnesia (Frictional Games)
Hearts of Iron, King Arthur, Mount & Blade etc (Paradox)
Ilomilo, R-Type and Lode Runner XBLA remakes (SouthEnd)
Mirror's Edge (Dice)

Atcually, The entire Nordic game deveopment scene is pretty active (Norway, Sweden and Finland) and has some of the most capable developers. But since the culture is not that different from the rest of the western world it's hard to find distinguishing points and most people will not be able to tell that a game was actually developed in a Nordic country and not in another western country.
But for japan it's entirely different: You will alsmot always be able to tell that a game is either Japanes or a Japanese tribute. Even when they try to develop "westernized" games, the games tend to scream "Japanese".

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VampiricDragon4590d ago (Edited 4590d ago )

Because

1) It helps people falsely generalize

2) It allows people to fight

3) It allows people to hate

aka just a normal day on the internet

Eromu4590d ago

It's not a derogatory label or anything it's just that traditionally Japanese games have unique characteristics compared to their western counterparts.

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Team Ninja Doesn't Get Enough Credit For Its Stories

Saad from eXputer: "Team Ninja's stories may not appeal to everyone due to their barebones nature but they deserve credit for being fun."

mastershredder34d ago (Edited 34d ago )

Exputer dude says Team Ninja needs more credit for their stories (what their known for) and credit for being fun (also known for challenging and fun gameplay). Team Ninja gets a LOT of credit. That's why they keep making games. You just can't expect everyone to award them the attention-level and regard that you think they deserve.

"I’m aware that some things are often not for everyone. Not because someone is actively gatekeeping but due to the product or premise failing to appeal to the masses" - Hmmm l dunno, sounds kinda like we are about to go for a cruise down gatekeeper blvd to me.

Takeaway, Exputer as a pimple gaming journal site that should not be concerned about the recognition standards of a studio they have zero involvement in. You perspective is outsider and totally disconnected from reality as far as how the industry sees them.

Takeaway 2, Exputer is only in about a generation deep into Team Ninja. Posers. Take your gate keepy BS and shove it. We know what makes team ninja great and they are doing just fine doing what THEY do.

Knightofelemia34d ago

Every branch under Koei Tecmo is talented I am a big fan of theirs no matter what the game is or who makes it.

GoodGuy0934d ago (Edited 34d ago )

I thought Nioh 1+2's stories were fine, nothing amazing but they kept me interested. William and the Protag in 2 were pretty cool. Wo Long was ok I guess but it just felt like another retelling of the three kingdoms again which we've seen told so much in video games and especially dynasty warriors.

ROCKY2833d ago

Where is a new DEAD OR ALIVE !!!!
That is the only game we care about from Team Ninja 😂

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Team Ninja say Rise of the Ronin will have multiple difficulty options

Rise of the Ronin's difficulty options include Narrative, Intermediate and Hard. As the name suggests, Narrative mode is for players who just want to experience the story without any serious combat. Intermediate is your standard medium difficulty that will provide some challenge while Hard is in line with Team Ninja's previous games like Nioh and Wo Long: Fallen Dynasty.

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I’m Here For Everything Rise Of The Ronin Is Serving

The Nioh team’s next samurai tale launches on March 22 as a PS5 exclusive

sushimama136d ago

Gosh gosh I need this so much

RhinoGamer88136d ago

Ghost of Tsushima... your move!

goldwyncq136d ago (Edited 136d ago )

The visuals seem somewhat unpolished and looks like from a last gen game. I wouldn’t mind a delay.

Andrew336136d ago

A game doesn't need bleeding edge visuals to be good.

goldwyncq136d ago

Ghost of Tsushima did not have the best graphics quality compared to other PS exclusives but the beautiful art style made it stand out. This game just looks generic in comparison.

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