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Final Fantasy XIII-2: Xbox 360 and PS3 versions to offer "the same graphic performance"

Videogameszone talked to Game Director Motomu Toriyama about Final Fantasy XIII-2. There will be more characters from Final Fantasy XIII that will have special appearances in the new game. VGZ also shows some new screenshots of Final Fantasy XIII-2

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fluffydelusions4634d ago (Edited 4634d ago )

I played both the 360 and PS3 versions of XIII and the PS3 version was by far the superior version. So I wonder if the 360 version will be improved or the PS3 version will be downgraded. Or option c, Square is just talking out their arse again lol.

qwertyz4633d ago (Edited 4633d ago )

if you look at crysis 2, skyrim, forza 4, bioshock infinite, gears 3 and especially RAGE you'll realize that the 360 can actually do better than ffxiii so its possible the 360 version is improved.

remember that ffxiii 360 version was a last minute port. if it came out on pc it would destroy the console version lol I don't know why square enix doesn't give pc any love. they are consolites lol to hell with them.

@tarbis
what are you talking about ? ALL games are made FIRST on pc then COMPILED for consoles using dev kits. pc engine wont work on 360 because 360 is not a pc, pc games are written in x86 and directx 360 uses a POWERPC cpu and an advanced form of directx 9(according to AMD)

Multiplatform engines are platform SPECIFIC. The code is written differently for each platform because they all use different ISAs and APIs aside from this all platforms are unique and sometimes do things in different ways.

a 2006 high end pc is more powerful than ps3 AND 360 put together do you know that ? crysis 1 from 2007 running MEDIUM settings(not even high, highest/w mods) with 8xAA,16xAF @1080p on pc looks better than anything on consoles and it can at those settings on my old high end pc thats based on 2006 hardware.if you think ps3 can match pc if it gets special attention, you're DEAD wrong

Both ps3 and 360 can do better than their respective versions of FF13 and games like RAGE are proof of this. That was the point I was trying to make.

the reasons ps3 is difficult to develop for are listed below

1)weak branch prediction(spus only use static branch prediction which is the most simplistic and crappy form the ppe has a 3 way branch unit but its not enough to keep up with all the spus)

2)weak ppe( instruction decode rate can bottleneck the spes)

3) spus not being able to access RAM directly

4) ram is split into 2 different pools, makes it harder to leverage memory resources when graphics work is being done on both cell and rsx

5)each spe has to be coded for INDIVIDUALLY(on 360 and pc all you need to is code for 1 core and scale the work across the others)

6)the spes and ppe have different ISAs

7)the spes are not part of the gpu; this is a limitation because if graphics are rendered using spes it would have to send work over to the rsx for texturing and rasterization the problem is transferring work to and from the cell to rsx takes PROCESSING TIME and causes latency.

That's the reason naughty dog,guerrilla games and santa monica studios use spus for graphics operations that are not tied to the rasterizer such as lighting and post processing effects so the rsx to handle core rendering(geometry,texturing etc)

the ps3 IS difficult to code for, its not about devs not wanting a challenge its the FACT. but how would you know ? have you ever written a program in your life ? probably not if you have you won't sound so ignorant. a 2006 core 2 duo is even more powerful than the cell if you read up on cpu architectures maybe one day you'll be intelligent enough to realize that the cell fails.

IBM said the cell would beat intel and AMD out of the desktop market did it happen ? NO. if the cell was the future we'll be having cell like cpus in our pcs today. AMD & intel aren't stupid neither is IBM, they ditched the roadrunner cell(which by the way destroys the ps3 version) to develop power6 in 2007 & power7 in 2010. if ibm believed the cell was the future don't you think their power7 flagship would have been based it ? EXACTLY

sometimes I wonder if you console fanboys have any brain cells

tarbis4633d ago

Well, for starters, those games that you mentioned uses PC engines, and 360 uses PC engines. Unlike PS3, most exclusive games from the PS3 uses custom engines tailored only for the PS3.
The reason why the PS3 is a programming hell for western developers is bec. it's not PC engine friendly. They don't like to be challenge that's why they are quick to dismiss the PS3.

paintsville4633d ago

The 360 will rise to the occassion. The last game was a rushed last minute port due a deal with Microsoft very close to release time. That's no the case here. 360 will get the full development time and I have NO doubt that the 360 version will be the one to get. The ONLY advantage that the ps3 will have is a single disc. I'll just install the game to hdd and nulify that.
I can't wait for this one to release and read about it on Lens of Truth. Hey I've noticed that there's like zero articles that get approved anymore from Lens of Truth? I wonder why? LOL

sikbeta4633d ago

Lets see if they can deliver this time...

TXIDarkAvenger4633d ago

I swear they said the samething about the 360 and PS3 versions of XIII.....Yup for sure option C.

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Godmars2904633d ago

The question is will FFXIII-2 graphical quality be on par to FFXIII. If its only as good or better than the 360 version of the game then square has nothing to be all that proud of or boast about.

hintonmj4633d ago

I'm concerned about this too. Many pictures I've seen appear to be less polished than the original game on PS3.

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The Final Fantasy XIII Trilogy Deserves a Remaster

Final Fantasy 13 was first introduced to us back in 2009, almost four years after Final Fantasy 12 was released, and fans had been eagerly anticipating the next installment. But when it finally arrived, there were mixed reactions, including complaints about its linearity, the lack of towns and NPCs, and the limited control over the characters. At the time, Square Enix kept its game production behind closed doors and didn't take in a lot of feedback — especially from Western fans.

The game has been revisited by many different Final Fantasy fans since then, and some, like myself, have come to love it again. Almost all staple entries in the series have found their way to modern consoles, so it's about time that the FF13 trilogy gets a remaster

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shinoff2183322d ago

I've been thinking about this. I agree. While I really disliked it at first I never played it again. After hating ff15 so damn much I just think it can't be worse then 15 and if I'm not mistaken atleast it's turn based. I need more of that in my life.

nitus10322d ago

I actually finished FFXIII and on the second playthrough found I actually liked the game.

Actually I have liked most of the FF games (I have not played FFIX unfortunately) and I do agree with you with regards to FFXV. Graphically IMHO FFXV is excelent but for some reason I just could not get enthusiastic in playing it.

As for "turn-based", I prefer active and real time although to be fair "turn-based" is a real plus especially when confronting a difficult protagonist. I found this to be especially the case when playing FFXXII where you could switch rapidly between "turn" and "active" although having a resonable knowledge of simple Boolean Algebra is IMHO essential when playing this game.

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Levii_92321d ago

Ridiculous comment, first of all i think you should replay 15, second of all that game is 10 times better than the XIII games especially the royal edition. And third .. turn based combat is a dying (almost dead) style of gameplay and i personally wont miss it at all so don’t act like that is some sort of big plus because XIII has it.. it is not.

jambola321d ago

Somebody needs to learn about subjective taste

shinoff2183321d ago

Ff15

Sucked imo. I don't need to give it another try. Last time was the 3rd time and I had 34 hours into it. It just wasn't good imo

Chriswynnetbh321d ago

How is turn based dying or almost dead? Pokémon is one of the biggest RPGs in the world and is and has always been turn based. To some it is a plus especially when it comes to FF since the first 10 of them all are and are arguably better games than any FF to come after

CDbiggen321d ago

XV was rubbish, but understandable given the development hell. That overworld for me is the biggest example, so strangely designed and empty. And parts of the story awkwardly cut for DLC, most egregious being that prompto part where he's like "I'm a clone", or whatever he was (it was that forgettable), and the other guys basically shrugging it off.

Tapani321d ago (Edited 321d ago )

Turn-based is alive and well: Pokemon, Dragon Quest, XCom, Civilization, Homeworld, Age of Wonders, Total War, Original Sin, Baldur's Gate, Warhammer, Yu-Gi-Oh, Company of Heroes, Wasteland, Pathfinder, Disco Elysium, Octopath Traveler, Chained Echoes and many, many more great games, both new and old, franchises and new IPs are selling well, reviewing well and sequels are coming.

If you don't play the game, maybe the turn-based has just died in/for you, but certainly the genre has never been so alive as in 2023! Plus, when you look at Final Fantasy franchise, it started going down in quality when it left turn-based combat behind. FFXVI may redeem some of the glory (and FFXIV was great), but the turn-based games were higher rated and deeper in terms of gameplay and had more interesting things to do in the world.

DarXyde321d ago

I'd say Persona 5 is one of the best of the best games in a couple of decades.

I don't think you manage that with a dying gameplay format.

shinoff2183321d ago (Edited 321d ago )

Levii92

Turn based is way funner imo then just some hack n slash rpg. I like both but prefer turn based.

Far as dying I doubt it. It's also kinda funny cause the best final fantasy have been turn based. Ff still to this day can't top ff6 through ff9. Interesting.

Far as someone who brought up persona 5. I dislike the art style so I've yet to play it but I'd throw dq11 in there. Best jrpg I've played in fkin years. Over a decade.

Last I was a bit iffy on chained echoes because of the sp and no traditional leveling system. I recently bought it. Looks gorgeous, story is fantastic so far, but I cannot for the life of me get over how much I truly hate the leveling system. It's just flat out whack to me. I'm still going to finish it cause unlike ff15 atleast chained echoes doesn't feel like a chore

goldwyncq320d ago

The XIII series (especially Lightning Returns) has far better combat than XV, and you don't need to watch an anime and a movie to make sense of the story.

FinalFantasyFanatic320d ago (Edited 320d ago )

15 was only fun for derping about in the wilderness, at least FF13 had a better story and was more coherent overall (plot, characters, gameplay, world, ect...).

15 was just beautify garbage, so much wasted potential, the Duke Nukem Forever of the FF franchise.

I really loved Persona 5, can't wait for P6 to be announced, I'd love ports of the first few games (we already have P3P/P4G/P5R available on almost everything now).

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sadraiden320d ago

People act like XV killed one of their family members. It wasn't the best FF ever, but it certainly wasn't a bad game. You "hated it so damn much"? Chill.

FinalFantasyFanatic320d ago

I agree, FF13 is better than FF15, but I don't think I can play through that trilogy again, I'd rather play one of the older games.

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-Foxtrot322d ago

Not really

Let them move on and focus on good FF games

Hofstaderman321d ago (Edited 321d ago )

Thank you. A ton of FFXIII articles recently. Most of the people who like this game are not old enough to have played 4 to 9. Even 10 and 12 are vastly superior to this game. That being said a remaster would then make all the FF titles available on the PS platform.

jambola321d ago

Citation needed
Do you have some kind of official survey of ff 13 fans ages?
Would love a link
Also, all games are available on multiple systems, re released many times
"Not old enough" doesn't even make much sense

shinoff2183321d ago (Edited 321d ago )

That was part of what I was trying to say. I've gave 15 3 try ff13 deserves atleast a second. And like I said I could use some turn based in my life

I've also played through or played all of the ff games starting with ff1 way way way back.

goldwyncq320d ago

"Good" is subjective. I love FFIX but I know many fans who don't like it for the art style and the slow combat.

I_am_Batman321d ago (Edited 321d ago )

Recently replayed them and I agree a remaster would be great. The complaints about linearity are fair, but they only really apply to the first half of the first game and while I agree that it would've been nice to have proper towns, minigames and subquests, it didn't detract from the intriguing story, interesting characters, tactical gameplay and amazing soundtrack in my opinion.

XIII-2 fixes a lot of the issues of XIII and expands on the story in interesting ways. The combat and progression builds on top of the systems of XIII and the nonlinearity and discoverability of secrets is a big inprovement over the original game. It's easily the best game of the trilogy.

Lightning Returns was probably a bit too experimental for it's own good. It tried to reinvent the wheel for no reason. The solo party for most of the game and the outfit based combat felt like a downgrade over XIII-2 combat system. It does have a unique vibe, but the plot kinda goes off the rails and many of the story beats didn't land as much for me as they did in the first two games. The race against time aspect was an interesting idea, but it never felt like it mattered, because it wasn't much of a challenge to manage the remaining time even while doing all the subquests.

Eonjay321d ago

XIII-2 is one of the greatest games ever.

Snookies12321d ago (Edited 321d ago )

XIII-2 is by far the best of the trilogy. Went out of my way to get the Platinum trophy on it. Which is actually a fun one to go for. Didn't take too long, only about 70-80 hours to accomplish. Loved every second of it though.

Youngindy21321d ago

I don't think linearity is a fair critique, when every FF up until that point was fairly linear esp. in the first half of the game. People herald FF VII(including the remake), but it is just as linear as FFXIII was. The linearity complaints came at a time when open-world games were just starting to become a thing and people thought every game should be open-world, but now that every game is, people now want more linear experiences. Go Figure.

shinoff2183321d ago

Ff10 was pretty linear to. Haven't played through all of 13 but 10 was linear as fk until the end

I_am_Batman321d ago

Totally agree. I never fully understood why 10 was so universally praised when it had many of the same design philosophies xiii is criticized for.

CDbiggen321d ago (Edited 321d ago )

I felt the same for the most part except the LR combat system. I thought it was an upgrade on the party of three system the previous two games had as now you had more control over your moves with different sets being an L1/R1 click away, and could move the single character around in battle and attack limbs or tails of certain enemies, or reduce the distance between you and an enemy you're after saving ATB.

I_am_Batman321d ago

LR combat certainly has it's merits. I would've preferred it if it wasn't tied to the costumes which can make Lightning look quite ridiculous and out of place sometimes though.

But mainly I would've preferred to see an evolution of XIII-2 systems. Since they are so different it's obviously just a preference. Can't really compare them objectively.

CDbiggen321d ago

Yeah I get ya, and I can totally see why the costume part got to people. I'm someone that doesn't care what the character looks like as long as I'm happy with the stats (looking at Xenoblade). LR to me is just one of those odd games that I can't help respect for mixing things up, even if the outcome wasn't the best lol. But yeah too different to compare.

sadraiden320d ago

Why would a remaster be great? They exist in HD, on a console that is still compatible with modern televisions, and you just replayed it.

I_am_Batman320d ago

I replayed them on my PS3. I just think it would make sense for those games to be more accessible to Playstation gamers, which is where the majority of the modern FF fanbase is (due to the exclusivity deals of VII Re and XVI).

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gold_drake321d ago

yes.
remaster collection.

not sure why the hell we never got one.

sadraiden320d ago

Just dying to give SE money for nothing eh?

gold_drake320d ago

i enjoyed the games.
so it wouldn't be for "nothing".

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Why The Final Fantasy XIII Trilogy Has Some of The Best Music In The Series

As we celebrate Final Fantasy’s 35th anniversary, let’s look back at the underrated soundtracks of the Final Fantasy XIII trilogy.

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goldwyncq479d ago

It really does. Caius’ theme is still one of the best villain themes ever.

SeTTriP478d ago

Barthandelus is a great boss theme to.

Snookies12479d ago

Come on... Even haters of Final Fantasy XIII have to admit the soundtrack really was great. There are some parts of the OST that stand out among even Nobuo's work.

CrimsonWing69478d ago

The battle themes are pretty amazing, man.

gold_drake478d ago

sat what you want about the games, but the soundtrack has always been good.

MehmetAlperTR478d ago

Agreed... Legendary Nobuo Uematsu was not involved with FF13.. So that has got terrible musics.

jambola478d ago

so any game without no Uematsu has terrible music?

MehmetAlperTR478d ago (Edited 477d ago )

@Jambola nope... But in PS1 era we played FF7-8-9 and in a PS2 era FF10... They were all involved with Uematsu San. We grove up with him and his musics.. SO FF means, him and his music to us.

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-Foxtrot479d ago

It's alright but I mean with so many other FF games it's not even in the top 10 for me

You just can't beat IX, VII, X and my personal favourite VIII when it comes to music

Even the theme song sucks, instead of just having an English version of the Japanese theme they got X Factors Leona Lewis to do the song which didn't sound like FF theme song.

FinalFantasyFanatic478d ago

Yeah, that ending song was terrible, I'll never be able to fathom why that was chosen, it feels so out of place with that game.

RedDevils478d ago

Lol is was my wtf moment.

SoulWarrior479d ago

I agree, regardless of the general consensus of the game itself, FF rarely lets down when it comes to the music at least.

porkChop479d ago

Nah. VIII has the best music in the series. IX is a close second.

Hofstaderman479d ago

Yes; eyes one me, man with the machine gun, waltz to the moon, the oath, maybe I’m a lion…FF8 has the best music in the series by far. I have the original OST, the orchestra arrangement, the piano arrangement, the Black Mages tracks and a few other albums. My four disc original OST is my pride and joy.

ManMarmalade479d ago

I agree on VIII. I've started growing really fond of X's lately.

GoodGuy09479d ago

Music was pretty good yes. Pretty much all FFs do even the crappy ones lol.

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Final Fantasy XIII-2 gets a 4.7GB AI-enhanced HD Texture Pack

Modder 'MJB' has released an AI-enhanced HD Texture Pack for Final Fantasy XIII-2.

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