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Why The Wii U Will (Almost) Certainly Fail

Jake Rhodes looks at the upcoming release of the Wii-U and why he thinks its almost certain to fail.

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jacksheen00004638d ago (Edited 4638d ago )

By judging Nintendo behavior pattern, they always add about one major feature to make their product likable.
And then, fool us all in to buying it to compensate
for less graphical power, less features,no DVD/Blu ray playback etc etc/

N64 + analog controller - for less Graphical power

3DS + LCD 3d capability - for less Graphical power

Wii + motion control - for less Graphical power

Wii U + ipad like controller - hope is not the same thing

tunaks14637d ago

"N64 + analog controller - for less Graphical power "

your logic is flawed.

jacksheen00004637d ago

@tunaks1

What I was trying to say is Nintendo know they can't compete against their competitor in graphical department. So, to compensate for that, Nintendo would normally add a feature/gimmick to their console to make it likeable.

@ SilentNegotiator

Now as for the N64..the only reason why Nintendo first gen games look and play the way it did is because they got help from a 3rd party company by the name of ANGEL STUDIOS to teach them how do use 3d application to make 3 dimensional games.

http://www.thefreelibrary.c...

OH and Nintendo went with a cartridge based configuration for N64; so that its matches their skill-set at the time. That being said, had Nintendo added a DVD drive..that would leave Nintendo wide open for criticism from gamers,as to why they couldn't add more graphics to 1 gen games on a hardcore level.To me, I'd say It was just a obvious excuse why they couldn't give more; which worked rather well in the favor. Can you Blame them? No, cause at the beginning of the 3D era; nintendo wanted to take things slow, so that they would get the hang of using 3d applications before taking big steps.

blackbeld4637d ago

@jacksheen0000

Graw up will ya.

Wii U will certainly not fail as the Xbox.

N4g_null4637d ago (Edited 4637d ago )

Wow jack they went cart to match their skill set what does that mean? Are you trying to say ps1 1st party part was superior to nintendos? LoL really? Take crash bandicoot and Mario n64 and tell me which one looked better even texture wise? Hell take little big planet and dkcreturn which one looks better? That last one isn't even fair because you would think a hd game would crush a dx7 game art wise but dk chews that game up. Nintendo just made 3 RPGs dude how many did Sony make? Never mind if they are coming over here but uncharted did not happen until now. Back in the day every one was limited by the tech. Even with DVDs Sony could not even touch nintendo back then.

I'm mean it's cool you don't like nintendo but making bogus reasons are lame and makes people not respect your opinion because your logic is flawed or straight up based on lies. Hey but it's cool if you just don't like their games plenty didn't like sonys either.

Jack what makes you assum nintendo can't compete tech wise? You do realize nintendo uses the best OUT side tech companies to help make their tech right?

So you are basically saying no other tech company can beat Sony when this has been done over and over again?

Oh and I think n vidia, amd/ati, IBM, could all do and does make better tech than Sony in regards to powerful chips.

Could Sony throw more money at the problem to get better specs that sort of out perform the comp sure. Could ms throw more money at the problem oh yes. The question is will they and then the next one is if they do will we see better tech than what is currently on pcs? That would be wishful thinking. Hey but any thing can happen?!

Yet I'm pretty sure nintendos next hardware is the best spec for the price in hd console gaming already. I have over 16 gigs in my workstation laptop. The os eats 8 and even crysis 1 wont use more than 1 -2gigs. I can even open up zbrush still. Pcs have had the power to do what the wiiu is doing since 2002 yet no one has done it till now using power from the first real hd gpu in the unified shader class of cards.

Sure maybe you can do better but the visuals won't pay off nearly as much and then you have to pay out way more money to make those higher end games to show that all off. Expect gamers to pay thur the nose for that.

Once the price of gaming gets to high even more will drop out of it.

SilentNegotiator4637d ago (Edited 4637d ago )

"N64 + analog controller - for less Graphical power"

I have little bad to say about the 64 or PS1, but Ps1 absolutely did not have better graphics. Not by a long run. If anything, you should have went with what was a far bigger blow - less memory (cartridge). The difference between cartridge and CD was huge. Blu-ray and DVD might cause little roadblocks today, but the DVD of today is like a toll booth compared to cartridges then like a brick wall.

nopunctuation4637d ago (Edited 4637d ago )

0:1 agree ratio? That could not even be any further from the truth. Nintendo has never ands I mean NEVER been about graphical power. They rely on using cheap technology to get their product out faster. In a world where we demand high end technology, this is starting to hurt Nintendo and it will show when Wii U comes out.

Anyway, this just shows that the agree system is flawed. People just want to hit disagree on anything, including neutral statements just to be pricks. Ill give you an agree, but by now the sheep on this site have concluded that this is an "unworthy post" and will probably pile them on. At least I have the stones to admit when I disagree. Id like to see people get away with it if the system was NOT anonymous.

na-no-nai4637d ago (Edited 4637d ago )

So Naughty Dog a 1st party developer to Sony used the Wii U that is created from Nintendo. Many developers 3rd parties and some 1st parties Nintendo didnt even know about. Wow amazing lol. Yeah right like Nintendo actually let them try the hardware out and actually used it.

Trying out a game that is still in the early phrases (most likely been created a few months prior to the showcasing) does not show how powerful a hardware is. And why would you even listen to a rival 1st party dev

DNov4637d ago

This was the only generation where Nintendo was last in power. This is also the only generation where Sony wasn't the worst in power. Get your information right. He'll, Nintendo can even make games on the Wii look pretty good with the architecture from the 90s they used.

DNov4637d ago

Naughty Dog didn't say the PSV and PS3 were as powerful as a Wii U. He said that if you created a game where you could play on the screen, you could potentially do the same with the PS Vita and PS3. Even if you have to buy the game twice and have it ultra laggy because of slow Bluetooth connections.

JD_Shadow4637d ago

Only...people on the floor of E3 have said that the system is effin powerful, and they've mentioned the system runs in 1080p (the highest avaliable resolution).

Please, before trolling like you know something you don't, do some fucking research so you can at least PRETEND that you have any idea what you are talking about. Good lord!

nopunctuation4637d ago (Edited 4637d ago )

Naughty Dog has used the Wii U and confirmed that its about as powerful as Vita or Ps3. So in other words, its last gen like the Wii is now.

http://mynintendonews.com/2...
There is your research.

Seferoth754637d ago

Nothing in the link you posted says anything about "Power" It's kinda pathetic that its clear what they are talking about but in order to troll you make yourself look ignorant..

So you pretty much just proved the guy right by being a moron. Great job you did there kid...

The fail is strong in you.

Optical_Matrix4637d ago

Jacksheen what are you on about? Gamecube was graphically superior to the PS2. Of course Nintendo can compete on that front. But it's not their focus. Out of anyone Nintendo makes the best game games. No need for fancy cinematics, godly graphics or AAA voice acting.

They're so good at creating fun core gameplay mechanics, it doesn't really matter. They do it far better than Sony and Microsoft.

N4g_null4637d ago

Jack assuming stuff can be bad for you. I know the pr guys told you what happened in the past but seriously. The ps1 was.... Wait when did you start gaming? Where are you getting your info from?

Aside from the cart issue the n64 was very much like the ps3. The only problem is it used carts that limited it and the early dev kit ran off silicon graphics work stations. Those thing where 70,000 for the lowest model lol. The ps1 was actualy the cheap route since the middleware tools where way cheaper plus ps1 gamers where easily satisfied with wrinkling textures and cgi play back.

The ps2 was a lot better yet not better than the gc. Just look at res evil 4 port to the ps2.

I'm sure game wise there where more games you liked on the ps2 but don't let that be your bases for changing the fact when it comes to tech.

Also what a company did in the past does not alway mean they will be able to do it again. The ps brand seems weak with out a new medium to usher in.

What is funny is the wiiu is the result of years of nintendo doing their own thing while trying to accommodate third parties and I think they got the balance right now.

The wii was the last hurrah for fixed shader units and boy did they push that tech. Yet the industry uses unified shaders with the new computing shaders with the newest tech. This makes porting even easier but it gives you access to way more engine options. The main problem is using lots of engines and porting can do crazy things to your assets. Which is sort of the problem on the ps3 really.

Yet we will see open gl and shades of the new shader model 4 on the wiiu. Lots of devs are hush hush about possible games because they don't want a red steel 1 scenario.

Ms and Sony would have to severly over price their console to do better and more ram on a video card isn't going to give you the jump. Why? Wellthe wii u uses large amounts of edram, system ram and video ram with a solid-state drive solution that is faster than harddrives with the ability to use USB external drives.

More system ram isn't going to beat a solid state drive with out raising the price range that consoles need to hit.

Sure some of can afford $1000-2000 consoles but many of you can't. The ones that can have pcs or they will be buying all next gen systems but that's maybe 20 million gamers world wide??? They all don't like the same games either.

I'm not going to even get started on the controller since it has not revealed all of it's surprises yet. Not ar gaming isn't the surpise but pc gamers are going to live it!

lionelglitchy4637d ago

agree nintendo had the best tech in all their consoles untill the wii how can say they won't return to that policy if you buy one top of the range gpu it's expensive if you order 50 million its a lot cheaper

fatstarr4637d ago

Notice the trend? that each of those things changed the world that we live in in some way?

so im guessing the wiiu's controller is gonna revolutionize something.

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Venoxn4g4638d ago

please, shut up with those silly articles..

TruthbeTold4637d ago

I won't report this article as lame, even though I want to, but I'm REALLY sick of these articles. 'Why would a Playstation gamer buy this when blah blah blah Vita/PS4, etc. etc.' Oh I don't know, maybe because they like games, and different ways to play them? Maybe because many people can *gasp* buy Sony's offerings AND a Wii U?

It's as if there's an anti-Nintendo propaganda campaign going on right now, courtesy of Nintendo hating Sharks who smell a little bit of blood in the water and hope they can persuade a person or two to forsake Nintendo. Lame.

LordStig4637d ago

they should get rid of opinion pieces.

Kran4637d ago

But whyyyyyy.

Then I wouldnt be able to post my "Have You Played..." articles people like ;)

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Xbox's Preservation Step Sets A Much-Needed Example, Especially For Nintendo

Hanzla from eXputer inquires: "If Xbox can care about preserving its games and legacy, what exactly is wrong with Nintendo, trying to kill game preservation single-handedly?"

purple1012d ago

Ahh yes the good old game preservation of saving all your games to a removable hhd on the Xbox 360, taking it round your mates house, setting up multiple tvs to
Be met with “save data corrupted, please re download”

Or how about removing 360 games
From the store
, download them now or else, and, better hope to god that save data doesn’t corrupt, or it’s lost for ever

Nice one ☝️

Zeref2d ago

It's better than what Nintendo and Playstation is doing. It might not be perfect but at least they are TRYING. Unlike the others.

DarXyde2d ago

Trying? Take off the blinders for a moment, mate.

1. A failure to preserve games is just that: a failure to preserve games. Don't try to sugarcoat it: NO ONE is doing it properly. Better than awful is nothing to write home about.

2. At the time of this comment, isn't it the case that you need an internet connection to play Xbox games even if you buy physical discs that are hardly in circulation anymore? I don't have a Series X and I can't verify, but I think that is correct. I'm fairly certain you can at least play PS5 games at version 1.0 (not much of a win really when many games require day one patches). I think Microsoft's all digital, licensing approach is by far more aggressive than anyone else's. They really try to push you to game pass where you lose your entire library by umm.... Skipping a month of payments.

I don't think anyone is doing it right whatsoever. Don't get me started on Nintendo, who goes after anyone looking to preserve their games better than they ever would with extreme litigation.

Don't be a simp for any of these companies. Get it together.

PhillyDonJawn2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

@DarX never speak on Xbox again. You lost all credibility with your internet connection comment. Smh you have 0 clue and misinformed yet speaking on something you don't no squat about.

Einhander19722d ago

What has Sony done exactly? You guys keep deflecting to Sony but I am not actually seeing any results, and ai am certain nothing that you can come up with even comes close to what Microsoft has done and what they have tried and failed to do, like tie all your disks to your account on xbone.

Microsoft removed their whole indie section when they moved to the xbone because they were going to only allow games on the service that came from a publisher, id@xbox started after xbone launched and it only exists because Sony embraced indie and Microsoft was forced to cancel their plans and reverse course.

And every single game that was part of games for windows live including disk games (I have gta 4 on disk that won't work) so hundreds of games that use that DRM no longer work unless the company themselves patched it out which of course very few did.

MrBaskerville2d ago

Not trying. Tried. they killed of the backcomp program years ago. They set something up again, but sounds like it's more of an attempt to save the current library on whatever they are planning next. With luck they save everything and more, but let's see. I could see them killing off parts of the OG xbox and 360 libraries. Can't imagine that they would allow us to play Forza 5-7 in the future.

With that said, I do like what they've done and really wish they could have done more.

shinoff21831d 20h ago

Zeref

So killing off physical media is trying what exactly. Ms don't really give a fk if you think they do your kidding yourself.

Profchaos1d 19h ago

They are not trying this team is established for forward compatability the team is. It interested in preserving Xbox or 360 games.

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isarai2d ago

Is that why Hellblade 2 is digital only?

Zeref2d ago

Just because it's digital only doesn't mean you can't preserve it. Just put it on an external and you have the exact same functionality of what a disc does.

MrNinosan2d ago

Guess you're trolling, but if you actually think that's how it works, I'd recommend buying some braincells.

mkis0071d 11h ago (Edited 1d 11h ago )

Volitile vs nonvolitile data. A disc will not corrupt either. A drive can be corrupted.

Einhander19722d ago

This is just a scammy PR move to distract from the fact they are going digital only and trying to push streaming and subscriptions only.

No gaming company has pushed harder to remove ownership than Microsoft.

Without discs there is no preservation, preservation can't be done by the rights holders it can only be done by the consumers, anything else is a lie.

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Einhander19722d ago

Anyone remember xblig which Microsoft removed their whole 360 indie section removing hundreds of games from people?

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Zeref2d ago

Do you know you can put your games on an external and preserve them that way? There are no benefits to discs. ZERO. Idk why some of you are still obsessed with them.

DarXyde2d ago

Because games like Persona 5 exist. It's STILL V1.00. On Playstation, that's a win because 1.00 is installed on the disc—no need to download anything.

If a game does not require any updates, it's all on the disc.

Extremely low bar in the modern era, of course. It's not much of a win by any stretch.

But for now, physical media does have a purpose, at least on Playstation.

Einhander19722d ago

That is factually not how game licensing works, try plugging your hard drive into someone else xbox, It's not going to work, and it won't work if the licensing servers ever go down.

Einhander19722d ago

Anyone remember games for windows live.

I have around a dozen games, some on Steam itself that will not work because Microsoft shut off the licensing servers.

BehindTheRows2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

I do. I STILL have games (Gears of War being the big one) I cannot access because Games for Windows LIVE is total garbage and no one has held Microsoft accountable.

Zeref2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

You don't have an Xbox apparently. Because you can 100 percent plug in your external and play games from it on any Xbox console lol. You just have to be logged in to prove ownership.

Chevalier2d ago

"You don't have an Xbox apparently. Because you can 100 percent plug in your external and play games from it on any Xbox console lol. You just have to be logged in to prove ownership."

Damn how many times do people got to explain your idiocy to you? You can take a copy of Persona 5 like someone used as an example and play that game on ANY console WITHOUT logging in which means I can lend the game to a friend without internet and they can play my game. Can you lend your hard drive to anyone without logging in for them to play? NOPE. That is a huge difference and if you think otherwise then sorry you're an idiot.

Tacoboto2d ago

"No gaming company has pushed harder to remove ownership than Microsoft."

Ubisoft is literally erasing games people bought from their libraries... My PS1-3 discs are useless on modern hardware. Nintendo's re-published and resold almost their entire Wii U library, and the eShop is completely dead with no BC mechanism in the Switch software. Microsoft publishes everything they make today day one on Steam and Xbox/Windows. Sony only brings to PC the titles they think you might want some years later and Nintendo won't even design a functional long-lasting joystick.

You're absolutely trolling and not serious if you think Microsoft today is the worst offender.

shinoff21831d 20h ago

Yay steam

Not everyone fks with computers though. The disc is still the best way as a console player. Period.

Tacoboto1d 18h ago

How do Sony and Nintendo feel about these discs from 2001-2013?

Don't be stupid, you know Xbox is the best at this today.

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Hofstaderman2d ago

Nobody wants this. Sales or the lack of it in the case of XBOX is very telling. I wonder how the adorably all digital series X will fare. Adorably dismal perhaps?

crazyCoconuts2d ago

Only time will tell, but for from someone like me suspecting that Xbox is trying to gracefully exit the console market, that "forward compatibility" team is trying to get Xbox games playing on Windows PCs. I mean, it's nice that they're not planning on exiting with a "enjoy your games while the hardware still works" message, so that's nice. They still have a brand to protect via Microsoft so probably feel obligated to have a better exit strategy.

Xeofate2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

That is not their plan, their plan is to transfer users accounts to the cloud.

Phil Spencer himself said as much a few months back, plans could have changed but I think people are reading way too much into one statement where Phil said he would allow Epic on xbox because he wants to be able to sell xbox games directly on other platforms. Aka, instead of selling Sea of Thives through PSN he wants to have an xbox store to sell his games on PlayStation without giving PlayStation any money.

Again, it's extremely unlikely that Phil plans to put PC on xbox and licensing would prevent them from just giving out other publishers games purchased on xbox copies of thier games on PC, Microsoft does not own their games.

crazyCoconuts1d 6h ago

The thing that doesn't align with the cloud strategy is the giving up on exclusives. You'd still need strong exclusives for cloud streaming - it's still a "platform" , just with a lower upfront hardware investment. I feel like they've learned what PS learned with PSNow long ago. We're not ready to stream games and it's only gonna lose them money to try at this point

FinalFantasyFanatic1d 14h ago

I would love that, I'd buy up some of the Xbox games if they could run on PC, like the Rare Replay, Lost Odyssey and Dead or Alive Ultimate, probably a pipe dream though.

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Nintendo's War Against Player-Made Content Will Hurt The Company In The End

Danish from eXputer: "Nintendo has historically gone against player-made content and emulation of its games. This has done much to harm the company's image."

XiNatsuDragnel9d ago

I agree nintendo hire some these folks to help in your games it'll help imo.

banger888d ago

They need to stop announcing these mods and fan remakes until they're finished. Finish it, upload it, and then if Nintendo dmca's it tough shit. Once it's online, people can share it around, even if the original download gets taken down.

Jingsing8d ago

True, but most modders need constant admiration during the process to motivate them.

PRIMORDUS7d ago

Yup, once it's a torrent nothing can be done Nintendo is helpless at that point. But it would be wise if they just had a site on the dark web, it's also easy to use with Tor and no one will bother you.

mastershredder7d ago

This is all coming from the mouth of short-sighted fandom and grifting madness.
No.... it wont. There is a clear defined reason why they don't. This is nothing new. Make your own shi7 from your own original ideas especially if you are trying to capitalize of it it. Duh.

Yeah, hire people that have zero respect or understanding for an established process. Wow. Yep. Totally makes sense.

shinoff21837d ago

Those guys that made that sonic game got a gig from sega or something along those lines and that game was dope as hell. One of the best sonics as of late.

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The Nintendo Partner Spotlight Sale Is The Perfect Excuse To Get These 6 Gems

Huzaifa from eXputer: "The Nintendo Partner Spotlight sale event has discounted a number of worthy titles on the Switch. Here are 6 of them you should check out."