L.A. Noire Lead Was "Angry and Abusive"

GameRevolution: "Reports are coming from anonymous developers in Australia about the conditions during development of the game, with particularly pointed comments aimed at management and development leads. With an entire website dedicated to uncredited developers of L.A. Noire already established, claims about working conditions aren't taken lightly."

[LOLconsoles]

Oh suck it up you big babies.

[firemassacre]

thats what she said

[Dart89]

@Fox right here xDD.
http://youtu.be/Cb4AZpsHrkc

[PhantomT1412]

@Dart89

I rather had South Park in mind:
http://www.southparkstudios...

[zootang]

Send them to work in China at Foxconn for a couple of weeks then see what they have to say.

[gamingdroid]

I take it people that tell others to suck it up to abusive work conditions, don't have a job?

If you did, you would be more understanding!

[Bull5hifT]

Hey David Jaffe Was Angry and Abusive to the GOD OF WAR team now all the employee's are Wiping there tears with 1,000 Bills and Living in Gold Brick Houses... Driving McLaren F1's

[Bull5hifT]

Do You disagree to THIS comment?

[Mr Patriot]

meh

[Gray-Fox-Type0]

videogame sweatshops perhaps? I believe they all should have been credited for their hard work they have put into the game.

[BakedGoods]

You obviously do not understand the amount of work involved in creating a game like LA Noire.

Show some respect to the people who create the games we enjoy.

[RememberThe357]

You must not now much about the value of a stable working environment. Rockstar has had this problem for years and they've been saved by huge sales. They have spent millions on games redoing what was done wrong or in a rushed, low, quality way.

When supervisors or bosses take a tyrannic approach to their job they only make things worse. Rockstar needs to fix this. There is a reason their games take forever to come out and this is why. Horrible management, means things don't get done properly and in turn need to me redone. Thats time and money wasted.

If you look at studios like Bungie or Naughty Dog, for example, they have a great working environments and they get massive games done in a comparatively short time. Rockstar can barely get a game out in 4 years and yet Ubisoft can pump out Assassin's Creed games at a high quality yearly. Ubi's management alone is saving them millions of dollars in efficiency.

And on top of it all L.A. Noire was not that great of a game. I got bored almost immediately and moved on to something else.

Haha /end rant

[BakedGoods]

This is an N4G comment-of-the-year nominee.

Well said.

[kingdavid]

Meh Rockstar employees would get paid craploads. I also saw a vid of the amount of talent you have to have to get a job with them.

You want the big bucks, be prepared to work hard. In the end, the results speak for themselves - each and every one of their games is of impeccable quality.

[Megaton]

Except the person they're talking about, Brendan McNamara, is lead of Team Bondi, not Rockstar. You're quick to blame Rockstar, but this sounds like an internal struggle at Team Bondi. Not Rockstar crushing the dev team under publisher demands.

[SonyPS360]

If not for the last part that would have been a good comment.

Anyone arguing against this article obviously doesn't know what it's like to work in those conditions.

[subtenko]

dont like LA Noire tbh

I like to play other video games though

[stormeagle6]

It does sound like they're kind of whining, but the fact that you don't hear stories like this coming out in the industry means it probably was a significantly bad environment. Interesting stuff.

[t0mmyb0y]

Not the first time something like this has come from a R* employee. I read the whole story of the RDR dude and it sounded like a joke to be working there.

[ChronoJoe]

Probably at least in this case, making stuff up / exaggerating as they're trying to cause damage to the company after they weren't included in the credits.

[Sev]

They should be glad they don't work for me. I'm the meanest fucking boss around.

I deny vacation time, dock people an hour pay for being 15 minutes late, and I eat people's lunch from the break room refridgerator.

-Like a boss.

[dbjj12088]

Poop on Debra's desk
Like a boss

[flyingmunky]

I was having problems with people at my work eating my food so I put laundry detergent in some soda and exlax in the food. Figured they would learn their lesson after they crapped their pants at work.

[jack_burt0n]

thats sev sorted :)

[t0mmyb0y]

ROFL that deserves many bubbles....I can only give you one though :)

[showtimefolks]

they will say screw you and maybe someone might even go as far as to shoot your ass

in life what goes around comes around

i was a employee first and now i am the boss but i traet people right. I don't let them make a foot out of me but if i know someone was late for a legit reason than no problem 15minutes ain't gonna kill anyone

[RememberThe357]

Exactly. No boss should be a push over (thats just as bad for business) but you have to treat people with respect and reason. The happier the people are the more productive they are. And we all know that production is money.

[madpuppy]

I pat you on the head and feed you from the hand....

[LostTokens]

I'll be sure to share my egg-salad sandwich with extra salt and my pickled-fish-pepper pudding. Want a bite? You know, like a boss?

[BubbleSniper]

no one should be 15 mins late to work. dock the entire day or fire them.

[BigPenguin]

Depends on what they do. I am supposed to come in at 8am according to my contract, but managed to convince my office manager that 11-7 would be more productive hours for me, and because my turnaround time is 200% faster(3x) then most people(3 days as opposed to 8 average), and less mistakes(0 in the past 6 months) they let me pretty much manage myself now.

[Nate-Dog]

I remember all the stories about the team working on Red Dead Redemption coming out (or perhaps their wives and other family members) about the strenuous working hours and deadlines pushed on them. If it's true it really sucks and the fact a lot of this is being connected to Rockstar again makes you wonder though.

[fluffydelusions]

Rockstar outsourcing to sweatshop Aussie studio...

[Solid_Dave]

Yes the rumors are true, all Rockstar games are made in an abandoned factory somewhere in China by malnourished children.

[CaptainMarvelQ8]

i understand their point
but since they AGREED to leave and told that they would not get credited;then they have no right there

[dbjj12088]

Did you read the article? This is about working conditions, not credits.

[imoutofthecontest]

Was he? Or was he just trying to get some answers!?

[jack_burt0n]

10/10

oh wut thought it was a R* review.

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

So?

[ZombieAssassin]

Yea because all bosses are so nice /s

I've never had a boss who wasn't a pain in the arse, hell last job I had I carried my whole line doing about 2000 parts in 8-10 hours while everyone else would do maybe 1000 and guess who got blamed if we didn't meet the daily amount.

[PS360PCROCKS]

same here. It's BS

[JonnyBigBoss]

Didn't care for the game. Eat my craigslist trade, Team Bondi.

[dragon82]

It's my favorite R* (Team Bondi) game this generation.

[djreplay]

It's the only Team Bondi game this generation, R* just published.

[dragon82]

I understand that. My point is that it is my favorite game this generation to have the "R*" stamp on it.

[Balflear87]

I feel sad about the game now, absolutely loved it but this kind of stuff makes me sick

[wumster]

I'm not gonna lie dude, I stopped playing after I read this. This is not the way to treat people no matter what you are doing.

This is truly a sad situation.

[DrJones]

Sorry I clicked the disagree button by mistake.

[AzaziL]

Why is this article in the PC channel?

[ginsunuva]

LA Noire is coming to pc.

[Koolaye]

ugh seven year development cycle?? and suuure the boss man may be able to request changes and what not, but he doesn't need to be a dick about it. Treat the little working bees with respect, they will more than likely come back around and bite you in the ass one day.

[TheCampfireSong]

Everybody talking how much they hate their boss...funny stuff, i hated my previous boss but my current one is pretty awesome.

[BrianC6234]

I find some of these claims hard to believe. Maybe LA Noire was worked on for seven years but they weren't working those long hours the whole time. That's usually the last few months trying to get the game finished.

[TheEatingVodka]

My bosses are angry and abusive too fuck them..
I seriously don't feel like going to work only cause of them

[danielle007]

This type of thing is a general problem within the industry, not just Team Bondi. Last month there was an article in Game Informer, even. Some producer was saying why game mismanagement happens, and how detrimental it is to development teams, and they end up working unpaid overtime and just staying there until it's done. So, game development seems like a nifty job, but there are definite big draw backs with the way the industry is now.

[Jazz4108]

People blaming rockstar for this ought to be blaming sony as well. Rockstar just published this games and really only had it the last few years. Sony was resposible for the major portion of the 7. To be direct to the poeple that don't understand the problems were at team bondi in aus and had nothing to do with sony or rckstar. There leader down under was a tyrant and went through many employees to make this game. Team bondi is where the problem lies and the mismanaging. This is to answer the many comments on here blaming rockstar and not sony as well when neither was involved other than the publishing arm for this game. Btw I enjoyed this game a lot and I actually got my better half to play a video games and she finished it and I have not even done that. So kudos to team bondi for that.

[Sashamaz]

How does Sony fit into this?

[DragonKnight]

Umm, you do know that L.A. Noire is a multiplat game right? Sony has nothing to do with this other than providing a platform for the game. Game Studios and publishers make their own release dates, unless the game is first party then Sony has nothing to do with it in any way.

[nightmarex121]

Same things during rdr team too, scroll down to #14 post.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum...

[xPhearR3dx]

The game got done, they got paid, stfu

[AcidTrifolium]

Why is it always the successful products that have abusive assholes running the show? No really, think about it.
This game was run by an asshole
The Titanic Movie, Avatar, Terminator 2, all made by James Cameron, and he's an ASS among ASSES, and yet those films are successful as FUCK.

[Bebedora]

You mean like Walt Disney?

Yeah, I believe the tyrannic approach can generate successful results too. But I hate saying that!